Re: Why did George Orwell not have any knowledge of the so-called "Holocaust?"
I, Enemy Combatant
<dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 14, 7:13�am, "I, Enemy Combatant" <bongblas...@peoplepc.com>
>wrote:
>> Stop squealing like a stuck pig to my ISP, Hymie, and answer my
>> question: �Why did George Orwell not have any knowledge of the so-
>> called "Holocaust?"
>> Either George Orwell was an Antisemite, or the so-called �"Holocaust"
>> was made-up after he died.
>> Which is it?
>
>Neither. The problem lies in the fact that you're an uneducated
>moron.
Deborah,
From your offering, George Orwell wrote nothing of a "Holocaust;" he
was saying intelligent people were anti-Semites because of Jewish
business practices. (I became an anti-Semite because of telephone
harassment from the CIA. It happens! Jews piss you off - then you
hate them.)
(Salvador wrote:)
To be in good standing with the Holocaust Police, one must
believe the following five points about the Holocaust.
Anyone who challenges or questions any of these five points will be
branded a Holocaust Denier:
1. Six million Jews died at the hands of the Nazis between the 1938
and 1945.
2. The main cause of death was mass execution or genocide (as opposed
to typhus and starvation).
3. Hitler had a master plan to exterminate Jews.
4. Gas chambers were the main killing tool, although the exact number
of deaths from gas chambers is uncertain.
5. Hitler was not a human being. He was the Devil in human form.
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1. Six million Jews died at the hands of the Nazis between the 1938
and 1945.
George Orwell never wrote Nazis killed six million Jews, or any Jews.
2. The main cause of death was mass execution or genocide (as opposed
to typhus and starvation).
George Orwell never wrote of mass execution or genocide of Jews.
3. Hitler had a master plan to exterminate Jews.
George Orwell never wrote Hitler had a "master plan" to exterminate
Jews.
4. Gas chambers were the main killing tool, although the exact number
of deaths from gas chambers is uncertain.
George Orwell never wrote about any kind of "gas chambers."
5. Hitler was not a human being. He was the Devil in human form.
REPEAT: George Orwell expressed *sympathy* for Adolph Hitler, but not
the Jews.
You posted:
>
>Anti-Semitism in Britain
>by George Orwell, 1945
>
>"...It is generally admitted that anti-Semitism is on the increase,
>that it has been greatly exacerbated by the war, and that humane and
>enlightened people are not immune to it. It does not take violent
>forms (English people are almost invariably gentle and law-abiding),
>but it is ill-natured enough, and in favourable circumstances it could
>have political results..."
In 1945, George Orwell wrote, from your quote:
>"... anti-Semitism ... does not take violent forms. ..."
It's obvious George Orwell knew nothing of a so-called "Holocaust."
Now why is that?
>
>AS I PLEASE
>George Orwell, Tribune, February 11, 1944.
>
>"...Recently I happened to review some books dealing with the
>persecution of the Jews in medieval and modern Europe. The review
>brought me the usual wad of antisemitic letters....The disquieting
>thing about these letters is that they do not all come from lunatics.
>I don't greatly mind the person who believes in the Protocols of the
>Elders of Zion....But in addition to these types there is the small
>business or professional man who is firmly convinced that the Jews
>bring all their troubles upon themselves by underhand business methods
>and complete lack of public spirit. These people write reasonable,
>well-balanced letters, disclaim any belief in racialism, and back up
>everything they say with copious instances. They admit the existence
>of 'good Jews', and usually declare (Hitler says just the same in Mein
>Kampf) that they did not start out with any anti-Jewish feeling but
>have been forced into it simply by observing how Jews behave....
>
>"Antisemitism flourishes especially among literary men. Without even
>getting up from this table to consult a book I can think of passages
>in Villon, Shakespeare, Smollett, Thackeray, H. G. Wells, Aldous
>Huxley, T. S. Eliot and many another which would be called antisemitic
>if they had been written since Hitler came to power. Both Belloc and
>Chesterton flirted, or something more than flirted, with antisemitism,
>and other writers whom it is possible to respect have swallowed it
>more or less in its Nazi form. Clearly the neurosis lies very deep,
>and just what it is that people hate when they say that they hate a
>non-existent entity called "the Jews" is still uncertain. And it is
>partly the fear of finding out how widespread antisemitism is that
>prevents it from being seriously investigated."
>
>Anti-Semitism in Britain
>by George Orwell, 1945
>
>"...It is generally admitted that anti-Semitism is on the increase,
>that it has been greatly exacerbated by the war, and that humane and
>enlightened people are not immune to it. It does not take violent
>forms (English people are almost invariably gentle and law-abiding),
>but it is ill-natured enough, and in favourable circumstances it could
>have political results..."
>
>Orwell, anti-Semitism and the Holocaust
>John Newsinger
>
>"In May 1949, the American journal, Partisan Review, carried a
>contribution by George Orwell to the controversy surrounding the award
>of the Bollingen Prize for Poetry to Ezra Pound earlier that year.
>Pound's fascist sympathies, his violent anti-Semitism and his wartime
>collaboration inevitably called into question the judges' decision so
>soon after the war. In his contribution, Orwell argued that as far as
>he was concerned if Pound's poetry was judged deserving of the prize
>then it should be awarded to him regardless of his politics.
>Nevertheless, he went on to insist that 'one ought to keep Pound's
>career in memory and not feel that his ideas are made respectable by
>the mere fact of winning a literary prize'.
>
>"Pound, he pointed out, was 'an ardent follower of Mussolini . . . and
>never concealed it'. His embrace of fascism was quite open and
>unashamed, although Orwell believed that his underlying motivation
>was, in fact, hatred of Britain and the United States, and more
>particularly, of 'the Jews'. Pound's wartime broadcasts for fascist
>Italy 'were disgusting' and Orwell remembered 'at least one in which
>he approved the massacre of the East European Jews and �warned� the
>American Jews that their turn was coming presently'. If the murder of
>the Jews 'in the gas vans' had still been going on, then the decision
>to award Pound the prize would have been 'undesirable', but this was
>no longer the case. If the judges believed Pound's poetry worthy of
>the prize then he should receive it, but, Orwell went on, they should
>have stated 'more firmly' that Pound's political opinions were 'evil'.
>The very deliberate use of the word 'evil' here is quite unusual in
>Orwell's writings. He made the point in an aside that he personally
>thought Pound's poetry 'entirely spurious'. "
>
>Deborah
"Gas vans" is not a phrase written by George Orwell. It was written
by a Zionist propaganda artist claiming he knew what Orwell
"remembered."
While researching your false claim, I found this gem. It seems George
Orwell was: THE WORLD'S FIRST HOLOCAUST DENIER.
Historical Revisionism and the Legacy of George Orwell
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p--4_Weber.html
Throughout his lifetime, the great English writer continually
questioned all "official" or "accepted" versions of history. As early
as 1945, just after the end of the war in Europe, he expressed doubts
about the widespread stories of "gas oven" exterminations (Notes on
Nationalism). George Orwell was a revisionist. He detested officially
sanctioned atrocity and hate propaganda. If he were alive today he
would certainly be nauseated by the pervasive Holocaust propaganda of
our times. And as a staunch lifelong supporter of free speech and open
historical inquiry, he would undoubtedly defend the right of
revisionist historians to present their challenging views to the
world.
...
Is it 1984 yet?
Joe Fineman
not remember when I first saw it, but it would have been in the 1970s
at the earliest. The OED records some descriptive applications in the
'40s, but its first citation as a specific name for the German
atrocities is in 1957. In my childhood & adolescence (1940s & 1950s)
we referred to it by some such descriptive phrase as "the Nazi
persecution of the Jews".
Orwell wrote extensively on antisemitism, and was worried about the
extent of it in Britain. He was well aware that the Germans had
killed a lot of Jews, and thought that that fact had impeded attempts
to understand antisemitism by making it expedient for respectable
people to deny its existence in themselves.
N.B. Antisemitism, perhaps surprisingly, appears in _Nineteen
Eighty-Four_. Immanual Goldstein, like Trotsky, was a Jew.
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