Re:Where did god come from?
cap...@aol.com
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:52:42 -0700, DanielSan <dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Nobody knows how God started the big bang off.
>
>
>>Nobody knows IF God started the big bang off. Hell, nobody knows IF God
>>even exists TO start anything.
>
>
> If not, then you're postulating that the universe created itself, or even
> sillier, it always existed. If a universe can create itself, why can't God do
> it.
>
> duke,
Hey duke, if your god created the universe, what created god? What was
there before god and how did he/she/it come to be?
duke
No body can answer that. So tell me this - if God didn't do it, where did it
come from? How can you suggest either it created itself or it always existed,
God forbid.
So if you don't agree with me, what is your answer?
duke, American-American
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Zombies
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cap...@aol.com
My question is "where did god come from"? If he created everything, what
created him?
John Locke
I'm gonna step in here and give you a hint..nothingness is inherently
unstable. Now I'll leave it up to you to research the physics.
"If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal
giver of life would be my god." - Napoleon Bonaparte
madMental
Aliens?
duke
<Why_Ar...@Always.Bro.ke> wrote:
>>> Hey duke, if your god created the universe, what created god? What was
>>> there before god and how did he/she/it come to be?
>> No body can answer that. So tell me this - if God didn't do it, where did it
>> come from? How can you suggest either it created itself or it always existed,
>> God forbid.
>> So if you don't agree with me, what is your answer?
> God came from the same place as;
> Ghosts
> Dragons
> Spirits
> Leprechauns
> Zombies
> Angels
> Demons
> Werewolfs
> Flying Elephants
> UFO's
> Monsters
> Fairy's
> Mother Earth
> Georgr Bush's
> SuperMan
>
> And,
>
> God's Creator!
> ( Well, we all makes mistakes... ) :-(
Hey, guess what, our universe exists. Would you care to venture a guess how? Or
do you just plan on saying it doesn't exist because there is no Creator?????
duke
>My question is "where did god come from"? If he created everything, what
>created him?
My comment to you, danny girl, is that is God didn't exist, where does our
universe come from?
And please spare me the "it created itself - which would then make it the
creator", or "it always existed", which makes you the laughing stock on the ng.
duke
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:32:23 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
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>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:09:26 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>duke wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:52:42 -0700, DanielSan <dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Nobody knows how God started the big bang off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Nobody knows IF God started the big bang off. Hell, nobody knows IF God
>>>>>even exists TO start anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If not, then you're postulating that the universe created itself, or even
>>>> sillier, it always existed. If a universe can create itself, why can't God do
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> duke,
>>
>>>Hey duke, if your god created the universe, what created god? What was
>>>there before god and how did he/she/it come to be?
>>
>>No body can answer that. So tell me this - if God didn't do it, where did it
>>come from? How can you suggest either it created itself or it always existed,
>>God forbid.
>>
>>So if you don't agree with me, what is your answer?
>I'm gonna step in here and give you a hint..nothingness is inherently
>unstable. Now I'll leave it up to you to research the physics.
God created physics, so he's got that one covered even though I personally can't
answer.
>
>
>
>"If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal
> giver of life would be my god." - Napoleon Bonaparte
duke, American-American
cap...@aol.com
What created the creator duke?
cap...@aol.com
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:45:00 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>My question is "where did god come from"? If he created everything, what
>>created him?
>
>
> My comment to you, danny girl, is that is God didn't exist, where does our
> universe come from?
>
> And please spare me the "it created itself - which would then make it the
> creator", or "it always existed", which makes you the laughing stock on the ng.
>
>
>
> duke,
Duke, just answer the question. I'm even going along with you on this.
If he created everything, what created him? Did he create himself? Did
other more powerful gods create him? Does he even exist? You are the
laughing stock in everything that you say. Now I'm waiting for an
answer. Please don't continue trying to answer my question with another
"off topic" question.
cap...@aol.com
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:19:28 -0700, John Locke <johnloc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:32:23 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:09:26 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:52:42 -0700, DanielSan <dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nobody knows how God started the big bang off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nobody knows IF God started the big bang off. Hell, nobody knows IF God
>>>>>>even exists TO start anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If not, then you're postulating that the universe created itself, or even
>>>>>sillier, it always existed. If a universe can create itself, why can't God do
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>duke,
>>>
>>>>Hey duke, if your god created the universe, what created god? What was
>>>>there before god and how did he/she/it come to be?
>>>
>>>No body can answer that. So tell me this - if God didn't do it, where did it
>>>come from? How can you suggest either it created itself or it always existed,
>>>God forbid.
>>>
>>>So if you don't agree with me, what is your answer?
>
>
>>I'm gonna step in here and give you a hint..nothingness is inherently
>>unstable. Now I'll leave it up to you to research the physics.
>
>
> God created physics, so he's got that one covered even though I personally can't
> answer.
>
>
WHAT CREATED GOD?
Curly Surmudgeon
Crazymotherfuckers have no answers for reality, but I suspect you knew
that. They _BELIEVE_ and no amount of logic can impinge on those closed
minds. They _NEED_ a cosmic boogeyman because they fear to live alone,
responsible for their actions. They _NEED_ a moral crutch because their
willpower to resist those bad thoughts everyone has.
That's why they're crazymotherfuckers.
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Curly Surmudgeon
Curly Surmudgeon
Your ignorance of science is appalling.
> duke, American-American
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Ah, you're a willing slave. Why do you subsidize that organized,
international, child molestation ring?
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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:19:28 -0700, John Locke
> <johnloc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:32:23 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:09:26 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>duke wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:52:42 -0700, DanielSan
>>>>> <dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nobody knows how God started the big bang off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nobody knows IF God started the big bang off. Hell, nobody knows IF
>>>>>>God even exists TO start anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If not, then you're postulating that the universe created itself, or
>>>>> even sillier, it always existed. If a universe can create itself,
>>>>> why can't God do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> duke,
>>>
>>>>Hey duke, if your god created the universe, what created god? What was
>>>>there before god and how did he/she/it come to be?
>>>
>>>No body can answer that. So tell me this - if God didn't do it, where
>>>did it come from? How can you suggest either it created itself or it
>>>always existed, God forbid.
>>>
>>>So if you don't agree with me, what is your answer?
>
>>I'm gonna step in here and give you a hint..nothingness is inherently
>>unstable. Now I'll leave it up to you to research the physics.
>
> God created physics
I'm dying to see your evidence for that preposterous claim.
> , so he's got that one covered even though I personally
> can't answer.
>
>
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>
>
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>>
>>
>>"If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal
>> giver of life would be my god." - Napoleon Bonaparte
>
> duke, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI
> *****
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the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
>Hey, guess what, our universe exists. Would you care to venture a guess how? Or
>do you just plan on saying it doesn't exist because there is no Creator?????
About 13.7 billion years ago a singularity became unstable and
exploded. We call these even the Big Bang, and have observational
evidence for it.
What caused that singularity, and why it blew up in a rapid expansion,
is currently the subject of much debate.
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DanielSan
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:45:00 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> My question is "where did god come from"? If he created everything, what
>> created him?
>
> My comment to you, danny girl, is that is God didn't exist, where does our
> universe come from?
>
> And please spare me the "it created itself - which would then make it the
> creator", or "it always existed", which makes you the laughing stock on the ng.
>
Can you explain why "It always existed" is humorous?
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duke
>What created the creator duke?
I don't know. Who created the universe if God didn't do it. Are you therefore
suggesting.........(laughing) something so preposterous as the universe created
itself, or it exists without creation?
duke
<CurlySurm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey, guess what, our universe exists. Would you care to venture a guess
>> how? Or do you just plan on saying it doesn't exist because there is no
>> Creator?????
>Your ignorance of science is appalling.
Wow, what an immature response.
duke
<pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
>>Hey, guess what, our universe exists. Would you care to venture a guess how? Or
>>do you just plan on saying it doesn't exist because there is no Creator?????
>About 13.7 billion years ago a singularity became unstable and
>exploded. We call these even the Big Bang, and have observational
>evidence for it.
What was the singularity located in? Remember, outer space is part of the
singularity, not outside it.
duke
>> And please spare me the "it created itself - which would then make it the
>> creator", or "it always existed", which makes you the laughing stock on the ng.
>Duke, just answer the question. I'm even going along with you on this.
You can't correct my words.
>If he created everything, what created him? Did he create himself? Did
>other more powerful gods create him? Does he even exist?
I have no idea of any of those. Which leaves you gasping for air bleeping that
you have no idea if it was God or not.
> You are the
>laughing stock in everything that you say.
And you as much as anyone else can't answer my challenge.
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:45:00 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> My question is "where did god come from"? If he created everything, what
>>> created him?
>>
>> My comment to you, danny girl, is that is God didn't exist, where does our
>> universe come from?
>>
>> And please spare me the "it created itself - which would then make it the
>> creator", or "it always existed", which makes you the laughing stock on the ng.
>>
>
>Can you explain why "It always existed" is humorous?
Existence without creation???
Shirley, you jest.
Curly Surmudgeon
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duke
>> God created physics, so he's got that one covered even though I personally can't
>> answer.
>WHAT CREATED GOD?
I don't know yesterday. I don't know today. I won't know tomorrow.
duke
When God created the universe, he created the laws for it. And physics is one
of his many laws.
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:19:52 -0300, Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySurm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> [quoted text muted]
>
> When God created the universe, he created the laws for it. And physics is
> one of his many laws.
And how, precisely, did you come by that information, voices in your head?
> duke, American-American
You are an insult to America.
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DanielSan
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:18:13 -0300, Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySurm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Hey, guess what, our universe exists. Would you care to venture a guess
>>> how? Or do you just plan on saying it doesn't exist because there is no
>>> Creator?????
>
>> Your ignorance of science is appalling.
>
> Wow, what an immature response.
>
No, that's not immature at all.
DanielSan
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:59:08 GMT, Douglas Berry
> <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
>
>>> Hey, guess what, our universe exists. Would you care to venture a guess how? Or
>>> do you just plan on saying it doesn't exist because there is no Creator?????
>
>> About 13.7 billion years ago a singularity became unstable and
>> exploded. We call these even the Big Bang, and have observational
>> evidence for it.
>
> What was the singularity located in?
It was not located in anything.
DanielSan
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:33:16 -0700, DanielSan <dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:45:00 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> My question is "where did god come from"? If he created everything, what
>>>> created him?
>>> My comment to you, danny girl, is that is God didn't exist, where does our
>>> universe come from?
>>>
>>> And please spare me the "it created itself - which would then make it the
>>> creator", or "it always existed", which makes you the laughing stock on the ng.
>>>
>> Can you explain why "It always existed" is humorous?
>
> Existence without creation???
>
> Shirley, you jest.
Why not?
Ray Fischer
> cap...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>What created the creator duke?
>
>I don't know. Who created the universe if God didn't do it.
If you don't know then clearly all of your claims are worthless.
--
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rfis...@sonic.net
cap...@aol.com
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:22:39 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>What created the creator duke?
>
>
> I don't know. Who created the universe if God didn't do it. Are you therefore
> suggesting.........(laughing) something so preposterous as the universe created
> itself, or it exists without creation?
>
> duke,
So....the universe couldn't have created itself, but your god did create
himself. Right!
madMental
cap...@aol.com
>
>
>>WHAT CREATED GOD?
>
>
> I don't know yesterday. I don't know today. I won't know tomorrow.
>
> duke,
You don't know shit.
duke
>Duke....where did god come from?
I have no idea. Where did the universe come from?
DanielSan
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>
>> Duke....where did god come from?
>
> I have no idea.
I do. It came from man.
> Where did the universe come from?
It didn't come from anywhere. It's always been.
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duke
I know that God created the mankind and the universe and everything in it.
duke
<CurlySurm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:13:08 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:19:52 -0300, Curly Surmudgeon
>> <CurlySurm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [quoted text muted]
>>
>> When God created the universe, he created the laws for it. And physics is
>> one of his many laws.
>
>And how, precisely, did you come by that information, voices in your head?
>
>> duke, American-American
>
>You are an insult to America.
You are NOT my son.
duke, American-American
cap...@aol.com
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:51:08 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>>>WHAT CREATED GOD?
>>>
>>>I don't know yesterday. I don't know today. I won't know tomorrow.
>>>duke,
>
>
>>You don't know shit.
>
>
> I know that God created the mankind and the universe and everything in it.
>
> duke,
Wrong!
madMental
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:06:14 -0300, Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySurm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:13:08 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:19:52 -0300, Curly Surmudgeon
>>><CurlySurm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>[quoted text muted]
>>>
>>>When God created the universe, he created the laws for it. And physics is
>>>one of his many laws.
>>
>>And how, precisely, did you come by that information, voices in your head?
>>
>>
>>>duke, American-American
>>
>>You are an insult to America.
>
>
> You are NOT my son.
>
> duke, American-Insult
> *****
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> Pope Ron Paul I
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I'm pretty sure that he's relieved to know that he's not your son.
duke
> duke wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>>
>>> Duke....where did god come from?
>>
>>
>> I have no idea.
>
>
> I do. It came from man.
>
>> Where did the universe come from?
>
>
> It didn't come from anywhere. It's always been.
>
I stand corrected.
John Locke
>On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>
>>Duke....where did god come from?
>
>I have no idea. Where did the universe come from?
>
There are a lot of good ideas. None of them incroporate "God".
"If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal
giver of life would be my god." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:06:14 -0300, Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySurm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:13:08 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:19:52 -0300, Curly Surmudgeon
>>> <CurlySurm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>
>>> When God created the universe, he created the laws for it. And physics
>>> is one of his many laws.
>>
>>And how, precisely, did you come by that information, voices in your
>>head?
>>
>>> duke, American-American
>>
>>You are an insult to America.
>
> You are NOT my son.
No shit!
You're still an insult to America.
> duke, American-American
> *****
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strabo
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:59:08 GMT, in alt.abortion, Douglas Berry
> <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:49:05 -0500 duke <duckg...@cox.net> carved
>> the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
>>> Hey, guess what, our universe exists. Would you care to venture a guess how? Or
>>> do you just plan on saying it doesn't exist because there is no Creator?????
>> About 13.7 billion years ago a singularity became unstable and
>> exploded. We call these even the Big Bang, and have observational
>> evidence for it.
>>
>> is currently the subject of much debate.
>
> If you visited alt.binaries.e-ooks.techincal and downloaded the last
> 5000 or so articles, read and understood the books contained in those
> articles, you might be able to take part in that discussion about the
> events in the 1st 5 seconds after the big bang.
>
Hardly enlightening, particularly since its all likely to change
in a few years.
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> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:42:44 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>>
>>> Duke....where did god come from?
>> I have no idea. Where did the universe come from?
>>
> There are a lot of good ideas. None of them incroporate "God".
>
Praise be Science!! Whatever would we do without It.
>
>
> "If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal
> giver of life would be my god." - Napoleon Bonaparte
>
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>>
>>> Duke....where did god come from?
>>
>> I have no idea.
>
>I do. It came from man.
God created man, not man created God.
>> Where did the universe come from?
>It didn't come from anywhere. It's always been.
Wow, existence without creation. Did it create itself?
duke
wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:42:44 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>>
>>>Duke....where did god come from?
>>
>>I have no idea. Where did the universe come from?
>There are a lot of good ideas. None of them incroporate "God".
Name some.
>
>"If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal
> giver of life would be my god." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Actually, the little guy meant "Son".
duke
>I'm pretty sure that he's relieved to know that he's not your son.
Not as much as I'm relieved to know that he's not my son.
duke, American-American
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DanielSan
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:47:48 -0700, DanielSan <dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Duke....where did god come from?
>>> I have no idea.
>> I do. It came from man.
>
> God created man, not man created God.
No, you got it backwards.
Man created God. God didn't create man.
>
>>> Where did the universe come from?
>> It didn't come from anywhere. It's always been.
>
> Wow, existence without creation. Did it create itself?
There was no creation.
strabo
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:24:05 -0700, John Locke <johnloc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:42:44 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Duke....where did god come from?
>>> I have no idea. Where did the universe come from?
>
>> There are a lot of good ideas. None of them incroporate "God".
>
> Name some.
>> "If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal
>> giver of life would be my god." - Napoleon Bonaparte
>
> Actually, the little guy meant "Son".
>
Refers to the Isis/Luciferian/Illuminati god.
>
> duke, American-American
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> Pope Paul VI
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Gunner Asch
>On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:24:05 -0700, John Locke <johnloc...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:42:44 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Duke....where did god come from?
>>>
>>>I have no idea. Where did the universe come from?
>
>>There are a lot of good ideas. None of them incroporate "God".
>
>Name some.
>>
>>"If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal
>> giver of life would be my god." - Napoleon Bonaparte
>
>Actually, the little guy meant "Son".
Actually Duke..he meant Sun.
Review your French history a bit more....
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
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methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group, they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
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> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:22:39 -0700, capt...@aol.com wrote:
> >What created the creator duke?
>
> I don't know. Who created the universe if God didn't do it. Are you therefore
> suggesting.........(laughing) something so preposterous as the universe created
> itself, or it exists without creation?
>
If everyting needs to be created, than god would need to be created
too. You might suggest something preposteroous as "God created
himself" or "God exists without creation" of course. But the same
logic applies as to the universe.
However something else applies to the universe only,
it can be observed by (radio)telescopes.
That is the reason theories need not include god, but do need to
include the universe. (everything that can be objectively observed).
Please refrain from explaining phenomena with unproven assertions.
As soon as God has been observed we will accept theories involving
him.
In the meantime however we keep pointing out that even if he did
exist,
we would still be lacking an explanation of his origin.
The leading theory on the origin of the universe is that of the "Big
Bang"
actually that theory is only an extrapolation of the observed red-
shift.
If you find it unsatisfying, I will agree with you.
However it does try and go by known facts, not known myths.
As such the Big-bang is a better explanation than "God did it".
Love,
Peter van Velzen
August 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
PS Had to cut the crossposting, so I snipped abortion
strabo
> On 31 jul, 23:53, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:22:39 -0700, capt...@aol.com wrote:
>>> What created the creator duke?
>> I don't know. Who created the universe if God didn't do it. Are you therefore
>> suggesting.........(laughing) something so preposterous as the universe created
>> itself, or it exists without creation?
>>
>
> If everyting needs to be created, than god would need to be created
> too. You might suggest something preposteroous as "God created
> himself" or "God exists without creation" of course. But the same
> logic applies as to the universe.
>
An omnipotent god could create itself in the sense that the
omnipotent god is the essence of everything and so was always
present.
The universe as science defines it, is a dynamic complex of interrelated
events, on-going and ever-changing. Each event has a logical
and knowable cause and effect on all other components. This universe
however could not have created itself because it lacks the capacity
of action independent of a cause.
An *omnipotent* god on the other hand can create such a universe
yet does not have a beginning, middle and end. It is as It was
and is as It will be.
>
> However something else applies to the universe only,
> it can be observed by (radio)telescopes.
> That is the reason theories need not include god, but do need to
> include the universe. (everything that can be objectively observed).
>
> Please refrain from explaining phenomena with unproven assertions.
> As soon as God has been observed we will accept theories involving
> him.
> In the meantime however we keep pointing out that even if he did
> exist,
> we would still be lacking an explanation of his origin.
>
If he did exist, why would he let you know it?
Your arrogance is the only thing which requires an explanation for
its origin.
Your ignorance is such that you cannot 'prove' anything yet you
demand that others do what you cannot. You are an excellent example
of the continuing decline of education.
>
> The leading theory on the origin of the universe is that of the "Big
> Bang"
> actually that theory is only an extrapolation of the observed red-
> shift.
> If you find it unsatisfying, I will agree with you.
> However it does try and go by known facts, not known myths.
> As such the Big-bang is a better explanation than "God did it".
>
> Love,
>
> Peter van Velzen
> August 2008
> Amstelveen
> The Netherlands
>
> PS Had to cut the crossposting, so I snipped abortion
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I am very surprised that using the same logic on a similar subject is
considered arrogant. Surely if god created the universe than before
the niverse existed god was in fact the universe (the total of
everything that exists).
The only difference being that people who claim god exists, for
obvious purposes also claim god cannot be observed.
Of course - any possibility of verivication being assumed impossible,
I have no reason to believe that such an entity exists.
In this thread the sole issue however is, to explain that assuming a
divine being does not explain anything. For the explanation (god) is
even more mysterious than what is supposed to be explained.
Assuming god created the universe and god itself has no cause,
is not an explanation at all. It is just a way to evade the issue.
I have no reason to assume a god would have any interest in sharing
any knowledge with me. Therefor I am very surprised that his
worshippers feel different.
But neither do I think the universe has any such interest.
Nevertheless the universe is observable, and obsrvations are in fact
the only source of knowledge.
Care to disagree? Then please tell me what knowledge I have, that did
not involve some kind of observation.
Care to explain what proof I required from anyone in this thread?
Care to explain what it is I "arrogantly" claimed without proof?
Always willing to learn,
Peter van Velzen
August 2008
Amselveen
The Netherlalnds
PS I always date my posts, to remind everyone, I am not arrogant
enough to assume that what I believe today, will still be what I
believe next month.
toerag
toerag
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:51:08 -0700, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>>>WHAT CREATED GOD?
>>>
>>>I don't know yesterday. I don't know today. I won't know tomorrow.
>>>duke,
>
>
>>You don't know shit.
>
>
> I know that God created the mankind and the universe and everything in it.
>
> duke, American-Gigolo
> *****
> "The ass is the most perfect form of Vagina."
> dookie
> *****
Like he said duke, you don't know shit.
strabo
> Care to disagree?
>
Given your parameters, no.
>
> Then please tell me what knowledge I have, that did
> not involve some kind of observation.
>
You have your knowledge which is dependent upon your senses.
>
> Care to explain what proof I required from anyone in this thread?
> Care to explain what it is I "arrogantly" claimed without proof?
>
> Always willing to learn,
>
Again, you set the parameters. There is nothing to discuss.
>
> Peter van Velzen
> August 2008
> Amselveen
> The Netherlalnds
>
> PS I always date my posts, to remind everyone, I am not arrogant
> enough to assume that what I believe today, will still be what I
> believe next month.
>
Wise.
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>
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:48:59 -0700, madMental <m...@mentalmail.ru> wrote:
>
> >Duke....where did god come from?
>
> I have no idea. Where did the universe come from?
"He [the pope] told us that it was all right to study the evolution
of the universe after the big bang, but we should not inquire
into the big bang itself because that was the moment of Creation
and therefore the work of God. I was glad then
that he did not know the subject of the talk
I had just given at the conference - the possibility
that space-time was finite but had no boundary, which means that it
had no beginning, no moment of Creation.
-- Stephen Hawking
-- cary