dbx Driverack PA vs Behringer Ultradrive vs?
Q
homebrew 18" subs on QSC RMX and USA series amps running 2 way active ).. I
have been using a behringer cx2310 for a while, but I have heard that rig
sound way better with other analog crossovers, so I think its time for a
change..
Sofar I have been looking at either the Driverack PA or the Behringer one..
The driverack is in the high end of the price I am willing to pay, but I am
willing to spend the extra cash if someone can come up with a good reason...
Riders are not an issue as this systems primary users are DJs and local
bands..
Any reasons to get one or the other?..
Any ideas for other processors/ Crossovers in the same pricerange?..
/peter
George Gleason
I do not think you will get "way better" sound from any magic box
you need better speakers and amps(at least dump the USA's) first
then look at your mics/wires/stands, the "foundation" of your system before
you decide to put a new roof on it
when your rig is ready buy the behringer
it is "way better" than the dbx drpa
it will actually protect your speakers if set up properly
the drpa COULD damage your speakers under certain situations even if set up
properly
george
Rob Beech
"Q" <Q@Q.Q> wrote in message
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Your best bet is search this group for discussions on each and both units.
As a summary.
I'd get the DCX2496. No exceptions.
DRPA has a power issue which can damage drivers if power is cut to it
accidentally.
DCX is a better unit anyway.
I use one on my B rig 3 way stereo.
I use 2 on my A rig 5 way (one unit for left one for right)
I also use one in a monitor rack for biamping my 2 side fills and 1 drum
fill.
A fantastic unit for the money.
I moved to theese from a BSS omnidrive which was over 10 times the price.
Rob
Phildo
"Q" <Q@Q.Q> wrote in message
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Do a google news search. This topic has been done to death on here recently.
Basically go for the Behringer DCX2496 and avoid the DRPA like the plague.
You get a better unit for less money with the Behringer and it won't take
out your speakers if the power goes down the way the DRPA will.
Since you are saving so much money with the DCX you may also want to think
about the DEQ2496 as well. The DEQ and DCX together are a very powerful
package.
Phildo
Ralph Staub
This has been discussed to Death. Do a google search for the details.
The end result is that the DRPA is a disaster waiting to happen and the
behringer is a better unit for less money. There's lots more/better
product out there, but nothing better that the Behringer within your
budget of DRPA or less.
Ralph
Splat
> I'd get the DCX2496. No exceptions.
What he said.......
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Q
"George Gleason" <tbm...@peoplepc.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> I do not think you will get "way better" sound from any magic box
> you need better speakers and amps(at least dump the USA's) first
The odd thing is that I used an EV AC-One crossover on that system for a
while and the sound was coming from those boxes was amazing compared to what
I had spent on the entire system.. Switched to a cx2310 ( was the only thing
in stock at the local shop, and I needed it for a gig fast ) when the EV
crossover developed intermittant problems.. Completely different sound
coming from the same boxes....
Although the system is underpowered ( rmx850 on highs , USA1310 on subs ) it
has plenty of headroom for the shows it is used for, so changing the amps
isnt a priority for me at the moment..
> then look at your mics/wires/stands, the "foundation" of your system
before
> you decide to put a new roof on it
That part of it is covered.. Same goes for racking etc.. No issues there..
The only thing that annoys me is the crappy sound of that cx2310....
I could just get a new EV AC-One, but the cost of that is close to the same
as the Driverack ( or even more than the Behringer), so I thought I might
aswell get a DSP based crossover.. If not for anything else : then just for
the fancy LCD in the amprack :-)
> when your rig is ready buy the behringer
> it is "way better" than the dbx drpa
> it will actually protect your speakers if set up properly
> the drpa COULD damage your speakers under certain situations even if set
up
> properly
I am aware of the power-up issue on the Driverack, but I dont think it will
be that much of a deal in this system ( no HF drivers to kill with a turn-on
thump directly from an amp )
/peter
Pianoman
unit versus only 48 kHz on the dBx plus it has a memeory card slot
which I find useful. I also believe it has better noise sepcs than the
dbx.
Rob Beech
"Pianoman" <musicwasmyf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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an all round better unit to be honest. I can't see any benefit to getting
the DRPA.
Another advantage is delay's. If you know what you are doing (i'm sure you
do) then you may wish to use the output delay feature to line up
erverything. (although this isn't vital and you may not find the necessary
specs for you own subs :-) )
And as for a pretty light in the amp rack.
One of my rigs uses the old 2u Omnidrive (never remember teh model number).
I've got a bit of card swinging on some tape that covers the screen up when
the show is in progress as it gets annoying. This is of course touring so
the amp rack has to go where it fits.....
Personally a unit where the screen can dim right down or switch off after a
few seconds would be great....... you're going to tell me that both the
omnidrive and the dcx2496 both do this and its my fault for not reaing the
manual on either!!!
Rob
Q
"Rob Beech" <rob(remove)@cnics.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> an all round better unit to be honest. I can't see any benefit to getting
> the DRPA.
Might aswell save some money then :-)..
> Another advantage is delay's. If you know what you are doing (i'm sure you
> do) then you may wish to use the output delay feature to line up
> erverything. (although this isn't vital and you may not find the necessary
> specs for you own subs :-) )
Well... I do have Smaart, so it shouldnt be a problem...
> And as for a pretty light in the amp rack.
> One of my rigs uses the old 2u Omnidrive (never remember teh model
number).
> I've got a bit of card swinging on some tape that covers the screen up
when
> the show is in progress as it gets annoying. This is of course touring so
> the amp rack has to go where it fits.....
> Personally a unit where the screen can dim right down or switch off after
a
> few seconds would be great....... you're going to tell me that both the
> omnidrive and the dcx2496 both do this and its my fault for not reaing the
> manual on either!!!
I did a theatre production at a local school some time ago.. School had
assigned a 14 year old student as my assistant... I ended up letting him
handle the wireless mics, so I wouldnt have to read the script.. Kid kept
bitching about the DDA Q-series I had brought in to do the production.. He
thought his American DJ thingie was a better choice to handle the wireless
mics... When asked why, his reply was that it had more flashy LEDs :-)
/peter
Ralph Staub
> I am aware of the power-up issue on the Driverack, but I dont think it will
> be that much of a deal in this system ( no HF drivers to kill with a turn-on
> thump directly from an amp )
While you haven't come right out and said so, It sounds like you decided
on the DRPA before your first post. The DRPA is a crappy processor;
possibly the worst DSP on the market. Everyone has advised you against
it. It offers no benefit over the DCX except perhaps the sub synth,
which would destroy your small sub system in a heartbeat. BTW, HF
drivers are not the only drivers at risk from the 5V power on/off
voltage spike, nor does a passive crossover network offer a great deal
of protection.
Do as you will...
Ralph
George Gleason
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Maybe next he will be tellings us how he is using it with his new fantastic
bose pas in his basement
george
Q
>
> Maybe next he will be tellings us how he is using it with his new
fantastic
> bose pas in his basement
> george
I doubt that.. If I was using Bose stuff I would be too embaressed to tell
anyone about it :-)
/peter
Q
"Ralph Staub" <ra...@espsound.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Q wrote:
>
> > I am aware of the power-up issue on the Driverack, but I dont think it
will
> > be that much of a deal in this system ( no HF drivers to kill with a
turn-on
> > thump directly from an amp )
>
> While you haven't come right out and said so, It sounds like you decided
> on the DRPA before your first post. The DRPA is a crappy processor;
I havent decided on anything yet. I was just inclined to get the dbx since
it seems that everyone else in the region here are using that and not the
behringer..
> possibly the worst DSP on the market. Everyone has advised you against
> it. It offers no benefit over the DCX except perhaps the sub synth,
> which would destroy your small sub system in a heartbeat.
I have no need for that sub synth.. If you ask me something like that does
not belong in a PA system...
>BTW, HF
> drivers are not the only drivers at risk from the 5V power on/off
> voltage spike,
True, but they are more sensitive than a 15" or 18" woofer.. Atleast thats
my experience
>nor does a passive crossover network offer a great deal
> of protection.
It does include a capacitor in series with the HF driver, wich could be
considered better than nothing with regards to protection :-)
/peter
George Gleason
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handy........ I use mine at radio shack. ;)
Bob
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Q
> "Q" <Q@Q.Q> wrote in news:Jwkgf.778$Cl2....@news000.worldonline.dk:
> > I doubt that.. If I was using Bose stuff I would be too embaressed to
> > tell anyone about it :-)
> >
> > /peter
>
> LOL
>
> Good!!!
>
> many are not :-)
Well.. The 802 boxes are useable as speakers on sticks for speech and such..
Corporate clients seem to love them.... I wouldnt buy any though :-)
/peter
Mark & Mary Ann Weiss
> As a summary.
> I'd get the DCX2496. No exceptions.
> DRPA has a power issue which can damage drivers if power is cut to it
> accidentally.
> DCX is a better unit anyway.
>
> I use one on my B rig 3 way stereo.
> I use 2 on my A rig 5 way (one unit for left one for right)
> I also use one in a monitor rack for biamping my 2 side fills and 1 drum
> fill.
>
> A fantastic unit for the money.
> I moved to theese from a BSS omnidrive which was over 10 times the price.
>
>
> Rob
I third this. Great unit, even at three times its list cost. 'Been using one
for 11 months now. Would NEVER go back to an analog crossover. Just too many
benefits and CONTROL capabilities in the DCX!
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Jason Lavoie
>Well.. The 802 boxes are useable as speakers on sticks for speech and such..
>Corporate clients seem to love them.... I wouldnt buy any though :-)
>
>/peter
>
I've never had a good experience with 802's except in ideal situations
where almost any speaker would work.
they're just terrible to ring out with a podium mic.
Jason
Peter Larsen
> The odd thing is that I used an EV AC-One crossover on that system
> for a while and the sound was coming from those boxes was amazing
> compared to what I had spent on the entire system.. Switched to
> a cx2310 ( was the only thing in stock at the local shop, and
> I needed it for a gig fast ) when the EV crossover developed
> intermittant problems.. Completely different sound coming
> from the same boxes....
Based on what you write I find it difficult to comprehend that you
didn't get the EV cross-over repaired after getting the stop-gap spare.
> Although the system is underpowered ( rmx850 on highs, USA1310
> on subs ) it has plenty of headroom for the shows it is used for,
It is not underpowered if it doesn't clip in actual use.
> The only thing that annoys me is the crappy sound of that cx2310....
> I could just get a new EV AC-One,
You say it has an intermittant fault, how about asking the repair people
on this group or locally about getting it fixed low priority. As long as
you have an analog desk output it seems sensible to me to keep the
signal path analog and not go to digital and back for a single box only;
but of course there are also other concerns and some of the time digital
boxes can do things that analog boxes can not.
>> when your rig is ready buy the behringer
>> it is "way better" than the dbx drpa
>> it will actually protect your speakers if set up properly
>> the drpa COULD damage your speakers under certain situations even if set
>> up properly
> I am aware of the power-up issue on the Driverack, but I dont think it will
> be that much of a deal in this system ( no HF drivers to kill with a turn-on
> thump directly from an amp )
It could be obnoxious for the ears of the audience as well as the - most
important - audiostaff. You MUST get (and carry) a UPS in case you go
for the driverack. Also, and it may matter, the Behringer with all its
options could be a much better toy and offer a good deal of learning
too.
> /peter
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Q
"Peter Larsen" <SPAMSHIEL...@mail.tele.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
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> > The odd thing is that I used an EV AC-One crossover on that system
> > for a while and the sound was coming from those boxes was amazing
> > compared to what I had spent on the entire system.. Switched to
> > a cx2310 ( was the only thing in stock at the local shop, and
> > I needed it for a gig fast ) when the EV crossover developed
> > intermittant problems.. Completely different sound coming
> > from the same boxes....
>
> Based on what you write I find it difficult to comprehend that you
> didn't get the EV cross-over repaired after getting the stop-gap spare.
Well... Intermittant problems can be a bitch to locate and I havent had much
time to tear the lid off the unit yet..
Much easier just ordering a new crossover :-)
> > Although the system is underpowered ( rmx850 on highs, USA1310
> > on subs ) it has plenty of headroom for the shows it is used for,
>
> It is not underpowered if it doesn't clip in actual use.
True, but with more power I could get a lot more SPL out of the system..
> > The only thing that annoys me is the crappy sound of that cx2310....
> > I could just get a new EV AC-One,
>
> You say it has an intermittant fault, how about asking the repair people
> on this group
I did...
> or locally about getting it fixed low priority.
Only decent tech in the area ( besides me :-) is extremely busy and it'd
probably take a month before I got it back..
>As long as
> you have an analog desk output it seems sensible to me to keep the
> signal path analog and not go to digital and back for a single box only;
> but of course there are also other concerns and some of the time digital
> boxes can do things that analog boxes can not.
Keep in mind that this is PA, not HIFI.. Altho I do agree with you, there
are some benefits ( as you mention ) that come with the DSP based
crossovers..
/peter
Q
"Peter Larsen" <SPAMSHIEL...@mail.tele.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
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> > The odd thing is that I used an EV AC-One crossover on that system
> > for a while and the sound was coming from those boxes was amazing
> > compared to what I had spent on the entire system.. Switched to
> > a cx2310 ( was the only thing in stock at the local shop, and
> > I needed it for a gig fast ) when the EV crossover developed
> > intermittant problems.. Completely different sound coming
> > from the same boxes....
>
> Based on what you write I find it difficult to comprehend that you
> didn't get the EV cross-over repaired after getting the stop-gap spare.
Well... Intermittant problems can be a bitch to locate and I havent had much
time to tear the lid off the unit yet..
Much easier just ordering a new crossover :-)
> > Although the system is underpowered ( rmx850 on highs, USA1310
> > on subs ) it has plenty of headroom for the shows it is used for,
>
> It is not underpowered if it doesn't clip in actual use.
True, but with more power I could get a lot more SPL out of the system..
> > The only thing that annoys me is the crappy sound of that cx2310....
> > I could just get a new EV AC-One,
>
> You say it has an intermittant fault, how about asking the repair people
> on this group
I did...
> or locally about getting it fixed low priority.
Only decent tech in the area ( besides me :-) is extremely busy and it'd
probably take a month before I got it back..
>As long as
> you have an analog desk output it seems sensible to me to keep the
> signal path analog and not go to digital and back for a single box only;
> but of course there are also other concerns and some of the time digital
> boxes can do things that analog boxes can not.
Keep in mind that this is PA, not HIFI.. Altho I do agree with you, there
George Gleason
> Keep in mind that this is PA, not HIFI.. Altho I do agree with you,
> there are some benefits ( as you mention ) that come with the DSP
> based crossovers..
>
> /peter
>
>
george
TimPerry
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georges hi fi can cover a large park.... i think even the mosquitos were
line dancing :)
George Gleason
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lol
at least the ones that didn't freeze or drown the day of set up
george
TimPerry
at least it wasnt as bad as woodstock 2000 (mudstock) or so i hear.