Science hoaxes:

[alal...@gmail.com]

Quarks
String theory
Higgs Boson

Abhinav Lal

"I am crazy like a fool"

[Malcolm McMahon]

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 14:41:14 UTC, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> Quarks
> String theory
> Higgs Boson
>

That's not how science works. No scientific theory is ever proved, scientists build theories to explain measured realities, and other scientists try to disprove them.

Any or all of the above theories might eventually fall, but that doesn't make them hoaxes.

It mostly means a better explanation has come along.

[alal...@gmail.com]

There is a global conspiracy. There is a shadow government that likes to keep people in the dark and maybe make a fool of the public. Scientists are not free to pursue the truth, but are controlled by the shadow.

Most science is probably true, and is responsible for raising quality of life. By true, I mean the theory works in the world. By works, I mean, it is a predictive model of the world.

Abhinav Lal

"Out of darkness"

[JWS]

Quarks have been identified.
String theory is a work in progress.
The Higgs Boson has been confirmed and that
has confirmed the Higgs Field.

[Davej]

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

> [...]


As a non-scientist your science opinions are worth exactly zero. And
why do you post this rubbish to a.a?

[Davej]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> [...]

> There is a global conspiracy. [...]


Take your meds.

[Christopher A. Lee]

He's never once even tried to justified his bullshit about these being
hoaxes - it's like cretionists insisting that evolution never
happen(s/ed) therefore evolution never happen(s/ed).

He posts bullshit and doesn't think we should treat it as such, nor
does he ever defend it.

Which stymies any possible discussion.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:32:01 -0800 (PST), JWS <jld...@skybeam.com>
wrote:

Several of have explained this, with links.

But he takes no notice.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:37:29 -0800 (PST), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

To tell us what a pillock he is.

[Don Martin]

He has succeeded in eliminating any doubts _I_ might have had.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

[Davej]

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> [...]

> "I am crazy like a fool"

There are 1.3+ billion Indians, so how did we get this one?

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:38:44 -0500, Don Martin
<drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:52:24 -0600, Christopher A. Lee
><c....@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:37:29 -0800 (PST), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>>As a non-scientist your science opinions are worth exactly zero. And
>>>why do you post this rubbish to a.a?
>>
>>To tell us what a pillock he is.
>
>He has succeeded in eliminating any doubts _I_ might have had.

He gets offended when he reaps what he sows - just like the fundies.
In fact, he is just like an in-denial fundie about his "philosophy of
truth" which he doesn't live up to.

[Cloud Hobbit]

DaveJ asks:

>There are 1.3+ billion Indians, so how did we get this one?

The lord works in mysterious ways. Look at the people he lets speak for him.

Maybe it's the Lord that needs the meds.

[Jack Shit]

And then we have the devil whos people work so hard to prove something
that doesn't exist doesn't exist...morons.

[alal...@gmail.com]

Quarks cannot be detected in isolation. There is no evidence for string theory. The Higgs Boson is nonsense.

Have you verified the experimental apparatus and empirical data that support your claims? Or do you just blindly believe scientists or the media?

Most of science that is claimed to work does work. But we should remove the fake science that doesn't work.

Applied science results in technological innovations, that improve our leisure quality and work productivity. I am pro-science, but science is imperfect, like most human creations.

Abhinav Lal

"Do you have faith in experts?"

[alal...@gmail.com]

And you are a scientist on whose word we should have faith? Quarks, strings, Higgs Boson are rubbish.

Abhinav Lal

"Ignorance is no excuse"

[JWS]

Is your accelerator a Sony or an Apple?

[Malcolm McMahon]

On Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:57:24 UTC, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:02:45 PM UTC+5:30, JWS wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Quarks
> > > String theory
> > > Higgs Boson
> > >
> > > Abhinav Lal
> > >
> > > "I am crazy like a fool"
> >
> > Quarks have been identified.
> > String theory is a work in progress.
> > The Higgs Boson has been confirmed and that
> > has confirmed the Higgs Field.
>
> Quarks cannot be detected in isolation. There is no evidence for string theory. The Higgs Boson is nonsense.
>

If particle Physics conformed to common sense, we'd all be doing it.

But why should it? Common sense developed to understand the mesoscopic world of everyday existence. Not the very large, or the very small.

So why should the sub-atomic world even find metaphors in the common sense world?

[Don Martin]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:53:12 -0600, Christopher A. Lee

<c....@fairpoint.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:38:44 -0500, Don Martin
><drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:52:24 -0600, Christopher A. Lee
>><c....@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:37:29 -0800 (PST), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>As a non-scientist your science opinions are worth exactly zero. And
>>>>why do you post this rubbish to a.a?
>>>
>>>To tell us what a pillock he is.
>>
>>He has succeeded in eliminating any doubts _I_ might have had.
>
>He gets offended when he reaps what he sows - just like the fundies.
>In fact, he is just like an in-denial fundie about his "philosophy of
>truth" which he doesn't live up to.

Frankly, I rather doubt that _any_ proclaimer of a "philosophy of
truth" lives up to the bloody thing, apart from killing off
disbelievers whenever he gets enough power to do so. Modi in India
seems to be working toward that goal.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <dhba4ft4kc740jui8...@4ax.com>,

Don Martin <drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Frankly, I rather doubt that _any_ proclaimer of a "philosophy of
> truth" lives up to the bloody thing, apart from killing off
> disbelievers whenever he gets enough power to do so. Modi in India
> seems to be working toward that goal.

I notice that the Great Inspiritual Leaders of Goodness,
Morality, and Soft Chocolate Centres are excellent at sending
other people's children at charging up the hills, though they
tend to find other appointments scheduled at these events.

--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
The first law of discordiamism: The more energy This post / \
to make order is nore energy made into entropy. insults Islam. Mohammed

[Don Martin]

On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 03:27:18 -0800 (PST), Malcolm McMahon
<malcol...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:57:24 UTC, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:02:45 PM UTC+5:30, JWS wrote:
>> > On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > Quarks
>> > > String theory
>> > > Higgs Boson
>> > >
>> > > Abhinav Lal
>> > >
>> > > "I am crazy like a fool"
>> >
>> > Quarks have been identified.
>> > String theory is a work in progress.
>> > The Higgs Boson has been confirmed and that
>> > has confirmed the Higgs Field.
>>
>> Quarks cannot be detected in isolation. There is no evidence for string theory. The Higgs Boson is nonsense.

Should anyone require evidence of this guy's ignorance, they need look
no further than this. I find it amusing that, as is frequently
demonstrated here, gods cannot be detected in isolation either.

>If particle Physics conformed to common sense, we'd all be doing it.
>
>But why should it? Common sense developed to understand the mesoscopic world of everyday existence. Not the very large, or the very small.
>
>So why should the sub-atomic world even find metaphors in the common sense world?

[Michael Cole]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 10:57:24 PM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:02:45 PM UTC+5:30, JWS wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Quarks
> > > String theory
> > > Higgs Boson
> > >
> > > Abhinav Lal
> > >
> > > "I am crazy like a fool"
> >
> > Quarks have been identified.
> > String theory is a work in progress.
> > The Higgs Boson has been confirmed and that
> > has confirmed the Higgs Field.
>
> Quarks cannot be detected in isolation.

That is due to quark confinement. Suppose, for example, one tried to separate the quark pair that comprises a pion. The energy one would have to put into the task is enough to cause another quark pair to come into existence. Quarks started out theoretical back in the early 60s. They were introduced to make sense of the quantum numbers that characterize some of the exotic particles that had been discovered in the late 50s. By the late 60s there was direct experimental evidence from experiments that studied the scattering of very high energy electrons of of nucleons. The only way to make sense of the observed scattering angles was to postulate point like regions of charge within the protons and neutrons, i.e. quarks.

There is no evidence for string theory.

Unlike the rest of your drivel, I agree with this statement. String theory is very speculative. But in the absence of empirical data, what can they do but speculate? I will be very skeptical of string theory until there is verification or at least a massive theoretical clarification that makes sense.

The Higgs Boson is nonsense.

If it looks like a Higgs, walks like a Higgs, and quacks like a Higgs, it is a Higgs. The CERN data very closely matches the theoretical predictions. Since you reject the Higgs mechanism, do tell me YOUR theory that explains why the quanta of the electron field (i.e. electrons) have rest mass. Be sure to give full mathematical detail and a detailed comparison of your theory with experimental data.

"Do you have faith in experts?"

No. That is why we are scientists instead of religious fanatics.

[alal...@gmail.com]

Do you have faith in other scientists, and the journals they publish their results in? Have you personally verified the experimental apparatus and the experimental data?

I suspect that you have faith in scientists, just like some theists have faith in their priests. I have personal knowledge of the three hoaxes in physics. No high priest of physics can convince me otherwise.

Physics serves a useful role in society, but that doesn't mean that they are perfect. Physics has been corrupted, and needs to be cleansed, if physicists want to regain the trust of the people.

Abhinav Lal

"There is truth within"

[Malcolm McMahon]

Actually, it's a faith in science. The process by which scientists publish their conclusions so that those conclusions can be challenged by peers.

One scientist can't do science on his or her own.

[alal...@gmail.com]

So, many atheists have faith in science. And many theists have faith in religion. But the scientific process is operated by scientists, hence many atheists also may have faith in scientists.

To function in society, you need to have some faith in human institutions. That trust has declined recently.

>
> One scientist can't do science on his or her own.

So one has no choice but to have faith in other scientists, to do science. However, there is a balance between trust and scepticism.

If people are trustworthy, then faith is justified. Now you see why truth is so important?

[Michael Cole]

Why don't you tell us how you came to have inside info and "personal knowledge" of these hoaxes? Snicker. How could string theory be a hoax? Nobody claims experimental verification. String theory is speculative math that attempts to find a way to unify gravity with the other forces of nature. As for quarks, well it is quite a sustained hoax dating back to the 1960s and scientists from dozens of countries must be in on it. Quite a feat to pull off a conspiracy that big. More impressive a feat than experimentally detecting quarks in the first place. My hat is off to the conspiritors.

[Malcolm McMahon]

No, we have faith that the scientific process forces scientists to be truthful.

> To function in society, you need to have some faith in human institutions. That trust has declined recently.

It's under deliberate attack.

>
> >
> > One scientist can't do science on his or her own.
>
> So one has no choice but to have faith in other scientists, to do science. However, there is a balance between trust and scepticism.
>

There's a choice, but it involves studying the subject or the research yourself. And it's not a trivial effort.

[michellemalkingmail.com]

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 9:41:14 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> Quarks
> String theory
> Higgs Boson
>
> Abhinav Lal
>
> "I am crazy like a fool"

Nah, you're just crazy.

[Michael Cole]

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 8:19:59 AM UTC-5, Malcolm McMahon wrote:


> No, we have faith that the scientific process forces scientists to be truthful.
>
>
> > To function in society, you need to have some faith in human institutions. That trust has declined recently.
>
> It's under deliberate attack.

It is very sad that a huge percentage of people use the internet and social media to pursue antiscientific drivel. All the world's wisdom and knowledge is only a mouse click away. Unfortunately all the worlds stupidity and irrationality is equally available. I can't imagine how much more knowledgeable I would be on many subjects if the internet had been available when I was growing up.

[michellemalkingmail.com]

He's obviously a troll with a serious need for attention. He often
contradicts himself. I get the feeling he scans the internet for
ideas for questions and comments.

[michellemalkingmail.com]

He has computer access and a good education. Unfortunately,
he's mentally ill.

[michellemalkingmail.com]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 10:57:24 PM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

This is how he gets attention - he says things he knows will upset people
who don't realize that he has no idea what he's talking about. He may
even be scanning religious websites looking for stuff to upset people in
alt.atheism. He certainly is a time waster.

[Davej]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:57:24 PM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> [...]

> Quarks cannot be detected in isolation. There is no evidence
> for string theory. The Higgs Boson is nonsense.

Relativity seemed like nonsense when it was proposed. It still
seems like nonsense even though it has now been proven.

[Michael Cole]

Relativity seems that way when you first learn it, but even general as well as special relativity can be gotten used to. But quantum stuff is just eerie. Even when the math is fairly simple it can be hard to wrap your mind around. I sometimes think our brains simply aren't wired to conceptualize the strange reality described by the mathematics of quantum theory.

[michellemalkingmail.com]

I'm not a scientist, but many people in alt.atheism are. We also have
engineers, computer experts and people who know a lot about history
and religion. You don't show much knowledge of anything. You just
bring up random topics in negative ways that you know nothing about.

[michellemalkingmail.com]

hat trust has declined off and on throughout history. You don't seem to have much knowledge of history - any kind of history.

>
> >
> > One scientist can't do science on his or her own.

Some work on their own. Some work with others. Einstein and Galileo
worked pretty much on their own.

>
> So one has no choice but to have faith in other scientists, to do science. However, there is a balance between trust and scepticism.

Ever hear of peer review?

>
> If people are trustworthy, then faith is justified. Now you see why truth is so important?

I wouldn't say faith. I'd say trust. Scientists aren't worshipped. They
prove their worthiness for trust.

[Michael Cole]

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 9:07:56 AM UTC-5, michellemalkingmail.com wrote:


> > To function in society, you need to have some faith in human institutions. That trust has declined recently.
>
> hat trust has declined off and on throughout history. You don't seem to have much knowledge of history - any kind of history.
> >
> > >
> > > One scientist can't do science on his or her own.
>
> Some work on their own. Some work with others. Einstein and Galileo
> worked pretty much on their own.

I think Malcolm meant not that scientists must directly collaborate, but that they rely on the rest of the scientific community. Einstein was a brilliant guy, but he couldn't invent everything or check everything. He had to trust the experimentalists when they confirmed the validity of, for example, Maxwell's equations. Even in math one must use theorems whose proof one has not personally checked. There isn't time enough to check everything.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 05:43:18 -0800 (PST), "michellemalkingmail.com"
<malkinm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 10:57:24 PM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:02:45 PM UTC+5:30, JWS wrote:
>> > On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > Quarks
>> > > String theory
>> > > Higgs Boson
>> > >
>> > > Abhinav Lal
>> > >
>> > > "I am crazy like a fool"
>> >
>> > Quarks have been identified.
>> > String theory is a work in progress.
>> > The Higgs Boson has been confirmed and that
>> > has confirmed the Higgs Field.
>>
>> Quarks cannot be detected in isolation. There is no evidence for
>> string theory. The Higgs Boson is nonsense.

So why were Peter Higgs and Francois Englert awarded the Nobel Prize
for their theory, after the Higgs boson was detected in the Large
Hadron Collider, imbecile?

It was theorised in 1964, and remained hypothetical until it was
confirmed in 2012.

Perhaps the moron could explain why he imagines this was nonsense.

>> Have you verified the experimental apparatus and empirical data that
>> support your claims? Or do you just blindly believe scientists or the
>> media?

Idiot.

>> Most of science that is claimed to work does work. But we should
>> remove the fake science that doesn't work.

None of which the loonie has described with explanations why it
doesn't work - leaving us to guess what he's bullshitting about.

>> Applied science results in technological innovations, that improve our
>> leisure quality and work productivity. I am pro-science, but science is
>> imperfect, like most human creations.

The moron needs to explain what is imperfect, instead of leaving us to
guess what he is bullshitting about.

>> Abhinav Lal
>>
>> "Do you have faith in experts?"

Idiot.

>This is how he gets attention - he says things he knows will upset people
>who don't realize that he has no idea what he's talking about. He may
>even be scanning religious websites looking for stuff to upset people in
>alt.atheism. He certainly is a time waster.

He leaves us to second guess what he is bullshitting about.

[LinuxGal]

It only seems like nonsense when you bring along
pre-Galilean, Aristotlean, absolutist baggage.

--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal

[Siri Cruise]

In article
<alpine.DEB.2.21.2002141739200.31206@teresita-Latitude-D630>,

It also repudiates Galilean baggage in which the measured speed
of light depends on the speed of the light source.

[Michael Cole]

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 12:45:59 AM UTC-5, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article
> <alpine.DEB.2.21.2002141739200.31206@teresita-Latitude-D630>,
> LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020, Davej wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:57:24 PM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >> [...]
> > >> Quarks cannot be detected in isolation. There is no evidence
> > >> for string theory. The Higgs Boson is nonsense.
> > >
> > > Relativity seemed like nonsense when it was proposed. It still
> > > seems like nonsense even though it has now been proven.
> >
> > It only seems like nonsense when you bring along
> > pre-Galilean, Aristotlean, absolutist baggage.
>
> It also repudiates Galilean baggage in which the measured speed
> of light depends on the speed of the light source.

I think the word "baggage" is a bit harsh. Galilean relativity was a brilliant theory. I can't really fault scientists before Einstein for thinking it accurately described the world.

[LinuxGal]

On Fri, 14 Feb 2020, Siri Cruise wrote:

> In article
> <alpine.DEB.2.21.2002141739200.31206@teresita-Latitude-D630>,
> LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020, Davej wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:57:24 PM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> Quarks cannot be detected in isolation. There is no evidence
>>>> for string theory. The Higgs Boson is nonsense.
>>>
>>> Relativity seemed like nonsense when it was proposed. It still
>>> seems like nonsense even though it has now been proven.
>>
>> It only seems like nonsense when you bring along
>> pre-Galilean, Aristotlean, absolutist baggage.
>
> It also repudiates Galilean baggage in which the measured speed
> of light depends on the speed of the light source.

No, no, Galileo was the first crack in the absolutist dam.
Galileo's principle of relativity states "It is impossible
by mechanical means to say whether we are moving or staying
at rest".

Einstein simply explained how that happened in practice:
Space-time itself changes to ensure the rate of information
exchange remains a constant, c.

[Siri Cruise]

In article
<alpine.DEB.2.21.2002150443190.3311@teresita-Latitude-D630>,

LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020, Siri Cruise wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <alpine.DEB.2.21.2002141739200.31206@teresita-Latitude-D630>,
> > LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020, Davej wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:57:24 PM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> [...]
> >>>> Quarks cannot be detected in isolation. There is no evidence
> >>>> for string theory. The Higgs Boson is nonsense.
> >>>
> >>> Relativity seemed like nonsense when it was proposed. It still
> >>> seems like nonsense even though it has now been proven.
> >>
> >> It only seems like nonsense when you bring along
> >> pre-Galilean, Aristotlean, absolutist baggage.
> >
> > It also repudiates Galilean baggage in which the measured speed
> > of light depends on the speed of the light source.
>
> No, no, Galileo was the first crack in the absolutist dam.
> Galileo's principle of relativity states "It is impossible
> by mechanical means to say whether we are moving or staying
> at rest".

Galilean Relativity is that two inertial frames observing each
other will measure the same durations, lengths, weights in each
frame as the same and measured speed of light will differ by the
speed difference. Special Relativity assumes the measured speed
of light will be constant with conservation of momentum and
energy which requires measurements of durations, lengths, and
weights to differ.

Galileo was a vast improvement on Archimedes because Archimedes
pontificated while Galileo experimented. But Galileo had neither
the math or experience to go further. Newton had better math but
still not good enough.

[Michael Cole]

I don't think the issue was math. Most of special relativity does not require math that was unavailable to Newton. General relativity certainly does, but not special. Newton would have had no reason to doubt that Galilean relativity was correct. Maxwell's electromagnetic theory was unavailable to him. Nobody had the slightest problem with Galilean relativity until it was observed that Maxwell's equations are mathematically incompatible with the Galilei transformations.

This was why they came up with the ether theory. (By the way, we should not look down on 19th century scientists for believing in the ether. Their rationale was sound enough, just wrong.) The ether accomplished two things. First, they had figured out that light is EM waves and they were unhappy thinking of a wave as a mathematical abstraction. They wanted a mechanical conception of waves and they thought a wave should have a material medium through which to propagate. Hence the ether, a mysterious "substance" that fills the universe and transmits EM waves, but interacts with nothing else. They also thought the ether theory would explain why Galilean relativity did not work for electromagnetism. They supposed that the universe has a privileged frame of reference in which the ether is stationary. In that frame the Maxwell equations are exactly valid. The high accuracy of the Maxwell theory we observe in the lab would follow if the speed of the earth through the ether is small compared to the speed of light.

Einstein was not satisfied with the idea that relativity did not apply to EM theory. We observe EM phenomena that are relative all the time. He pointed out that of one moves a magnet past a conductor, the time changing magnetic field causes an electric field, and therefore a current, to pop into existence in the conductor in accordance with Faraday's law. But one gets the identical current in the conductor if one holds the magnet still and moves the conductor. Clearly on the relative motion is relevant here. Einstein concluded that a properly formulated theory of relativity MUST apply to electromagnetism as well as mechanical phenomena. Then he put together special relativity with the help of some math that had been worked out by Lorentz and Fitzgerald and others. Poincare was also on track to develop SR, but Einstein got there first.

Who but Einstein would have had the intellectual courage to explore the possibility that Maxwell's equations were more exactly accurate than Newtonian mechanics?

[LinuxGal]

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020, Siri Cruise wrote:

> Galileo was a vast improvement on Archimedes because Archimedes
> pontificated while Galileo experimented. But Galileo had neither
> the math or experience to go further. Newton had better math but
> still not good enough.

Newton co-invented calculus. Special relativity, since it
does not deal with acceleration, can be treated entirely
with trig and algebra.

http://www.math.unl.edu/~s-jruiz8/SeniorResearch/specialrel.pdf

[Siri Cruise]

In article
<65cbf275-16da-4b98...@googlegroups.com>,

Michael Cole <patzer...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think the issue was math. Most of special relativity does not
> require math that was unavailable to Newton. General relativity certainly
> does, but not special. Newton would have

Newton did not know non-Euclidean geometry. Neither did Leibniz
but he still had doubts about assuming a universal Euclidean
geometry.

[Michael Cole]

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 9:47:51 AM UTC-5, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article
> <65cbf275-16da-4b98...@googlegroups.com>,
> Michael Cole <patzer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't think the issue was math. Most of special relativity does not
> > require math that was unavailable to Newton. General relativity certainly
> > does, but not special. Newton would have
>
> Newton did not know non-Euclidean geometry. Neither did Leibniz
> but he still had doubts about assuming a universal Euclidean
> geometry.

OK. But non-Euclidean geometry has nothing to do with the basics of SR. GR certainly, not SR. In the absence of gravitation, spacetime is flat.

[michellemalkingmail.com]

It's all attention grabs. That's why I don't respond to most of his nonsense.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 10:52:09 -0800 (PST), "michellemalkingmail.com"

Maybe - but it gives aid and comfort to the science deniers,

[Cloud Hobbit]

Ahbinav said:

>I suspect that you have faith in scientists, just like some theists have faith in their priests. I have personal knowledge of the three hoaxes in physics. No high priest of physics can convince me otherwise.

Please list the proofs of those hoaxes.

>Physics serves a useful role in society, but that doesn't mean that they are perfect. Physics has been corrupted, and needs to be cleansed, if physicists want to regain the trust of the people.

Nothing is perfect, but science corrects its errors when they are found.

What has been found that demonstrates those hoaxes?

What do you think the reason or reasons for such hoaxes would be?

How could they be kept secret from the rest of the world's scientists and why?

If you are convinced that these hoaxes exist, convince us with the evidence and explain how they debunk whatever you think has been lied about.

If you can't, then don't blame people here for thinking you're a bit of a loon.

[Yap Honghor]

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 10:41:14 PM UTC+8, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> Quarks
> String theory
> Higgs Boson
>
> Abhinav Lal
>
> "I am crazy like a fool"

Yes, and you can't see electrons, but you use it as electricity without even uttering a word???????????????

But string theory is not a theory, just a speculation!!!!!!!!!!

[Yap Honghor]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 11:49:18 PM UTC+8, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 05:31:40 -0800 (PST), Malcolm McMahon
> <malcol...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> >On Sunday, 9 February 2020 14:41:14 UTC, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Quarks
> >> String theory
> >> Higgs Boson
> >

> >That's not how science works. No scientific theory is ever proved,
> > scientists build theories to explain measured realities, and other
> > scientists try to disprove them.
> >
> >Any or all of the above theories might eventually fall, but that
> >doesn't make them hoaxes.
> >
> >It mostly means a better explanation has come along.
>
> He's never once even tried to justified his bullshit about these being
> hoaxes - it's like cretionists insisting that evolution never
> happen(s/ed) therefore evolution never happen(s/ed).
>
> He posts bullshit and doesn't think we should treat it as such, nor
> does he ever defend it.
>
> Which stymies any possible discussion.

He is an idiot who plays with his damaged head, much like aaa...

[Yap Honghor]

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 1:02:54 AM UTC+8, Davej wrote:
> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

> > [...]

> > "I am crazy like a fool"
>
>

> There are 1.3+ billion Indians, so how did we get this one?

Don't know, but could have crawled out revered polluted Ganges River....

[Yap Honghor]

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 11:57:24 AM UTC+8, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:02:45 PM UTC+5:30, JWS wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > Quarks
> > > String theory
> > > Higgs Boson
> > >

> > > Abhinav Lal

> > >
> > > "I am crazy like a fool"
> >

> > Quarks have been identified.
> > String theory is a work in progress.
> > The Higgs Boson has been confirmed and that
> > has confirmed the Higgs Field.
>
> Quarks cannot be detected in isolation. There is no evidence for string theory. The Higgs Boson is nonsense.
>

> Have you verified the experimental apparatus and empirical data that support your claims? Or do you just blindly believe scientists or the media?
>

> Most of science that is claimed to work does work. But we should remove the fake science that doesn't work.
>

> Applied science results in technological innovations, that improve our leisure quality and work productivity. I am pro-science, but science is imperfect, like most human creations.
>

> Abhinav Lal
>
> "Do you have faith in experts?"

And you recognized you are just an imperfect moronic animal which cries like a baby when you are scared??????

[Yap Honghor]

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:01:16 PM UTC+8, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:07:37 PM UTC+5:30, Davej wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > [...]
> >
> >
> > As a non-scientist your science opinions are worth exactly zero. And
> > why do you post this rubbish to a.a?
>
> And you are a scientist on whose word we should have faith? Quarks, strings, Higgs Boson are rubbish.
>
> Abhinav Lal
>
> "Ignorance is no excuse"

No one has ever seen an electron, why don't you criticize it as nonsense?????

[Gronk]

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