How would you explain atheism to a 10-year-old kid?

[Jahnu]

Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?

Yes, what of it?

Atheism is like saying, that car created itself.

Krishna says:

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://www.quora.com/profile/Jahnu-Das

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-n0bbhpaA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B46rjU_q_cM

[John Locke]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 07:18:27 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> How would you explain atheism to a 10-year-old kid?
>
...rational, reasonable parents...kid escaped the toxic effects of
Jesus camp, Catechism and Sunday school brain washing. The government
regulates drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms and gambling..so why not
regulate religion as well ? Time to pass some new laws !

[Ted]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 07:18:27 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I was a fundy Xian when my kids were growing up. And yes, I dragged
them to church (where they saw how idiotic it was) and because they
were home schooled, all their friends were christers.

BUT, I taught them never to fall for a con game. I had rational
reasons for my belief, which I shared with them, but I always
emphasized that they needed to think for themselves and not swallow
anybody's bullshit.

The result: one of them was an atheist by age ten. The others never
gave it another thought and never attended any church since then. The
only one who goes to church now is the former atheist, because his
chick demands it. Pussy rules. And also I'd bet money that he's no
longer an atheist. (Pussy rules.)

> Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?


> Yes, what of it?


> Atheism is like saying, that car created itself.

No it isn't, you fucking lying cocksucking bastard.

> Krishna says:

Krishna eats shit, Jesper, and I can prove it.

[Kevrob]

On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 2:13:28 AM UTC-5, Ted wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 07:18:27 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was a fundy Xian when my kids were growing up. And yes, I dragged
> them to church (where they saw how idiotic it was) and because they
> were home schooled, all their friends were christers.
>
> BUT, I taught them never to fall for a con game. I had rational
> reasons for my belief, which I shared with them, but I always
> emphasized that they needed to think for themselves and not swallow
> anybody's bullshit.
>

I always thought that were I to have kids with a religious
woman, that to keep family peace I would have said something
like "Look, Kevrob Jr, I was in church for an enormous part
of my lifetime, and I went to religious schools. As an adult
I decided it wasn't for me. You make up your mind when you
come of age. Until then, go with your mother, enjoy the music,
and be polite to everybody. I'll work on her to see if we
can get you sprung one of these days, but don't pick a fight
over it."

For good or ill, I never was put in this situation.

I'd rather not be a hypocrite, but unless one has sole custody,
taking the "other half's" or the "ex-other half's" opinions
into account has to be done. There might even be legal reasons
to put up with the nonsense.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/child-custody-religion-29887.html

Hypotheticals aside, I don't engage 10-year-olds in theological
discussion, at least not since the days when I filled in behind
the counter at a buddy's comic book shop, and young customers
wanted to know "who would win, Hercules or Thor?" Me: "Buy issue
#126 and find out!"

https://www.comics.org/issue/19917/cover/4/

See also JIM King-Size Annual #1, which was released earlier,
but the cover isn't as cool.

https://www.comics.org/issue/18842/cover/4/

For Earth! For Asgard!

`Nuff said!

--
Kevin R
a.a #2310

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:15 -0800, John Locke
<johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:

>...rational, reasonable parents...kid escaped the toxic effects of
>Jesus camp, Catechism and Sunday school brain washing. The government
>regulates drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms and gambling..so why not
>regulate religion as well ? Time to pass some new laws !

Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they very quickly ran that
mighty country on it's ass into some impoverished condition. Russia
used to be full of natural resources and minerals and Ukraine used to
produce grains for the entire Europe. Ukraine had the most splendid
farm-soil in the whole world. After being under the rule of atheism,
in a mere 70 years that country was reduced to a wasteland.

As soon as atheists rise to political power, they immediately create a
totalitarian, fascist state. Recent history is abundant with examples
of this - China, Soviet Union, Cambodia and North Korea.

Atheists like to point to religion as the cause of all evil, but the
fact is that the most psychopathic, insane mass murders in recent
human history were all professed atheists - Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot etc.

There is nothing mother Nature hates more than atheism. She refuses to
corporate with an atheistic government. That's why she is in the
process of removing the modern Coca-cola culture from her surface.

According to the Vedic teachings there is a natural progression in
human society of dharma, artha, kama, moksha - religion, wealth,
sense-enjoyment and liberation. There can be no wealth without some
type of sacrifice or religion, and without wealth there'll be no
enjoyment. And after having enjoyed ample wealth, and then realized
that it anyway does not make one happy, one may seek liberation.

The western wealth and rise to world dominion was clearly a result of
Christian dharma, however primitive and incomplete that religion is.
Now as the western culture is discarding it's religion, it's wealth is
being diminished and removed. This is not an idea or a theory, it is a
direct observable fact. To the same degree that modern society
discards its religion, to the same degree everything falls apart.

But materialists don't see this. Why? Because they are simply too
ignorant and deluded to actually notice what goes on in the world
around them. According to them, everything is just random chance and
in the short time you have in this life, it behooves you to enjoy as
much as possible. I mean, how ignorant can the present civilization
get? They slaughter other living entities wantonly for profit. They
actually kill living entities by the millions daily on assembly lines
in automated death-factories. Each second on the planet, a woman or a
child is being raped or murdered. And you think there will be no
consequences to such mindless atrocities, that death will offer you
eternal peace? But that's what happens when atheists get into
governmental power, they very quickly destroy everything.

Mother Nature will punish such a psychotic society, and that's what's
happening in the world right now, as we speak. Indeed, death will be a
rude awakening for the atheist.

Vishnu says:

When one is envious of the demigods, who represent the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, of the Vedas, which give all knowledge, of the
cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious principles, and ultimately of
Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he and his civilization will
be vanquished without delay. -- Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27

Krishna says:

In the beginning of creation, the Lord of all creatures sent forth
generations of men and demigods, along with sacrifices for Vishnu, and
blessed them by saying, "Be thou happy by this yajďa [sacrifice]
because its performance will bestow upon you everything desirable for
living happily and achieving liberation. (Bg. 3.11)

The demigods, being pleased by sacrifices, will also please you, and
thus, by cooperation between men and demigods, prosperity will reign
for all.

In charge of the various necessities of life, the demigods, being
satisfied by the performance of yajďa [sacrifice], will supply all
necessities to you. But he who enjoys such gifts without offering them
to the demigods in return is certainly a thief. (Bg. 3.12)

The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because
they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who
prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin. (Bg.
3.13)

All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from
rains. Rains are produced by performance of yajna [sacrifice], and
yajna is born of prescribed duties. (Bg. 3.14)

Regulated activities are prescribed in the Vedas, and the Vedas are
directly manifested from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Consequently the all-pervading Transcendence is eternally situated in
acts of sacrifice. (Bg. 3.15)

My dear Arjuna, one who does not follow in human life the cycle of
sacrifice thus established by the Vedas certainly leads a life full of
sin. Living only for the satisfaction of the senses, such a person
lives in vain. (Bg. 3.16)

[Lucifer]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 05:32:39 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:15 -0800, John Locke
><johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:
>
>>...rational, reasonable parents...kid escaped the toxic effects of
>>Jesus camp, Catechism and Sunday school brain washing. The government
>>regulates drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms and gambling..so why not
>>regulate religion as well ? Time to pass some new laws !

It certainly is.

[Kevrob]

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 10:27:21 PM UTC-5, Lucifer wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 05:32:39 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:15 -0800, John Locke
> ><johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>...rational, reasonable parents...kid escaped the toxic effects of
> >>Jesus camp, Catechism and Sunday school brain washing. The government
> >>regulates drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms and gambling..

Alcohol prohibition was a colossal failure, as is the "war on drugs."

> >>so why not regulate religion as well ? Time to pass some new laws !
>
> It certainly is.

As much as I dislike religion, outlawing it would be folly.
Regulating it, such as forbidding parents who want to instruct
their children in a religion, or have a church or temple do that
for hem, would not be much better. I expect there would be reaction-
formation, with those feeling oppressed by such laws becoming more
attached to the nonsense than they already are.

Of course, I had 16 years spent in religious schools and university,
and between years 14 and 16 I decided religion was bunk. YMMV.

To prevent indoctrination in "the cult of the state," I'd privatize
all the schools. We'd still get people deciding to become commies,
fascists, and other sorts of authoritarians.

[Davej]

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 7:48:31 PM UTC-6, Jahnu wrote:
> Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?
>
> Yes, what of it?
>
> Atheism is like saying, that car created itself.

Hey kid, see that Giant Invisible Rabbit over there?

No, what Giant Invisible Rabbit?

Theism is like saying, Well of course you can't see him, I
told you he's invisible, and he created the universe!

[Kevrob]

Pucaism!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%BAca

[Michael Cole]

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 7:02:41 PM UTC-5, Jahnu wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:15 -0800, John Locke
> <johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:
>
> >...rational, reasonable parents...kid escaped the toxic effects of
> >Jesus camp, Catechism and Sunday school brain washing. The government
> >regulates drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms and gambling..so why not
> >regulate religion as well ? Time to pass some new laws !
>
> Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
> Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
> Europe.

Dude. Your knowledge of history is even worse than your Hindu pseudophilosophy. Russia was the backwater of Europe with higher rates of illiteracy and poverty than even Eastern Europe. Because of sheer size and population they had some power and economic importance. But they were quite literally living under feudalism. Communism was horrible in so many ways, but the communists did get the population literate. Despite the devastation of WWII the SU fought the US to a draw until the late 80s. If you wish to argue that Czarist Russia was a paradise that was ruined by communists, well, that is so profoundly stupid and ignorant I hardly know what to say. Communism certainly proves that dogmatic ideologies that are not religious in the conventional sense can cause evil as bad as religious fanatics at their worst. The solution is to give up ALL forms of dogmatic ideology, be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Communist or whatever.

When the atheists took over in 1917 they very quickly ran that
> mighty country on it's ass into some impoverished condition. Russia
> used to be full of natural resources and minerals and Ukraine used to
> produce grains for the entire Europe. Ukraine had the most splendid
> farm-soil in the whole world. After being under the rule of atheism,
> in a mere 70 years that country was reduced to a wasteland.

Ha,ha,ha,o ho,ho,ho, that is a good one!!! I have a better joke. Hinduism is deep mystical stuff instead of stupid twaddle like every other religion. By the way, a concept of caste is evil and cows are delicious to eat. Well, I must go meditate and see if the Kundalini serpent will ascend through my chakras.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:48:30 -0800 (PST), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 7:48:31 PM UTC-6, Jahnu wrote:
>> Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?
>>
>> Yes, what of it?
>>
>> Atheism is like saying, that car created itself.

Stop lying, deliberately stupid, deliberately nasty, bigoted liar.

>Hey kid, see that Giant Invisible Rabbit over there?
>
>No, what Giant Invisible Rabbit?
>
>Theism is like saying, Well of course you can't see him, I
>told you he's invisible, and he created the universe!

Religion makes people behave like Jesper.

[Don Martin]

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:39:29 -0800 (PST), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 10:27:21 PM UTC-5, Lucifer wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 05:32:39 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:15 -0800, John Locke
>> ><johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>...rational, reasonable parents...kid escaped the toxic effects of
>> >>Jesus camp, Catechism and Sunday school brain washing. The government
>> >>regulates drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms and gambling..
>
>Alcohol prohibition was a colossal failure, as is the "war on drugs."

More than a failure, the government's attempts at enforcement led it
to, in effect, commit murder of citizens (admittedly alcoholic ones
who would drink anything, but still) . . . See _The Poisoner's
Handbook_ by Deborah Blum, which details the efforts of Charles
Norris, New York City's first science-based Coroner (the previous ones
were political appointees by Tammany Hall and other unsavory groups).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poisoner%27s_Handbook

In an effort to discourage booze hounds from drinking denatured
alcohol, the Feds mandated an increased content therein of methyl
alcohol. Norris sent a letter to them in which he calculated that the
increase in deaths in NYC from alcoholic poisoning in the year
following the increase would be some 800 persons (I "remember" the
figure 846, but don't hold me to it). The Feds ignored the letter,
and Norris's prediction was demonstrated to be only a couple of bodies
off, well within a reasonable margin of error: those 800 some extra
bodies were murder victims.

My parents' generation came of age during Prohibition, and their
drinking habits were affected by it. I enjoy booze, mostly red wine
and Irish whiskey, but I sip the stuff and know nobody these days who
"knocks it back" the way my folks and their crowd did (probably to
avoid having it confiscated in a raid or actually tasting the vile
stuff available in their youth--Prohibition was a growth period for
"mixers", flavored soda pop to cover up the flavor of bathtub gin and
other momemade delights). I cut my teeth on the poetry and
illustrations of John Held, Jr.'s _To My Pious Friends and Drunken
Companions_, a paeon to the joys and horrors of drinking, and the
comic novels of Thorne Smith, all based on drunken escapades (and
still funny), and "the Great Experiment" continues to fascinate me as
a social disaster propelled into being by religious nuts. It gave us
really _organized_ organized crime (making or importing booze at scale
and selling it to a thirsty public is a good deal more complex than
holding up a bank), a generalized scofflaw attitude about the 18th
Amendment, and such delights as heroin (what are mafiosos going to do
when the product upon which they have made billions becomes legal,
better, and cheaper? They find a new product to flog.).

So far as the ballyhooed "War On Drugs" is concerned, I recall a news
report years ago on cocaine in Florida (an entrepôt for the stuff): at
the time of its writing, the purity of the drug had increased to over
90% and its price had dropped substantially from its "status quo ante
bellum," hardly evidence of any victory. On the bright side, we had
jailed so many offenders, that building and operating prisons had
become a profitable new business, mostly for Republican businesses
(see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs), and we are spending
over $50B a year on enforcement.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

[default]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 07:18:27 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?
>
>Yes, what of it?

God created it.

[default]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 02:13:24 -0500, Ted <t...@sam.street> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 07:18:27 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I was a fundy Xian when my kids were growing up. And yes, I dragged
>them to church (where they saw how idiotic it was) and because they
>were home schooled, all their friends were christers.
>
>BUT, I taught them never to fall for a con game. I had rational
>reasons for my belief, which I shared with them, but I always
>emphasized that they needed to think for themselves and not swallow
>anybody's bullshit.
>
>The result: one of them was an atheist by age ten. The others never
>gave it another thought and never attended any church since then. The
>only one who goes to church now is the former atheist, because his
>chick demands it. Pussy rules. And also I'd bet money that he's no
>longer an atheist. (Pussy rules.)
>

Going to church, calling yourself Christian, and mumbling some secret
holy bullshit doesn't make one a theist. Would you call D Trump a
Christian? or Kushner a Jew?

They are going through the motions as a matter of political
expediency. (the pussy analogy) What they actually believe is
exemplified by their behavior NOT their words.

Hard to believe a marriage could withstand that degree of hypocrisy.
If one values honesty in a partner, one would not make "faith" a
precondition for marriage. But then I (personally) have no respect
for submissiveness, so that colors my judgment.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:15 -0800, John Locke
<johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:

How would you explain it to a pig-ignorant, bigoted, deliberately
stupid, deliberately nasty liar who has been getting it wrong umpteen
times a day for more than twenty years, even after he has been
repeatedly corrected?

[Harry Krishna]

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 7:02:41 PM UTC-5, Jahnu wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:15 -0800, John Locke
> <johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:
>
> >...rational, reasonable parents...kid escaped the toxic effects of
> >Jesus camp, Catechism and Sunday school brain washing. The government
> >regulates drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms and gambling..so why not
> >regulate religion as well ? Time to pass some new laws !
>
> Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
> Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
> Europe

That's laughably false. When the Bolsheviks took power, Russia was an impoverished backwater. Twenty five years of atheist, Communist rule later, the resulting USSR was the second most powerful nation on the planet next to the US. You're posting nonsense.

[----------- A t h e i s t ------------]

Michael Cole wrote:
> On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 7:02:41 PM UTC-5, Jahnu wrote:
>>On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:15 -0800, John Locke
>>

>>>...rational, reasonable parents...kid escaped the toxic effects of
>>>Jesus camp, Catechism and Sunday school brain washing. The government
>>>regulates drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms and gambling..so why not
>>>regulate religion as well ? Time to pass some new laws !
>>
>>Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
>>Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
>>Europe.
>
>
> Dude. Your knowledge of history is even worse than your Hindu pseudophilosophy. Russia was the backwater of Europe with higher rates of illiteracy and poverty than even Eastern Europe. Because of sheer size and population they had some power and economic importance. But they were quite literally living under feudalism. Communism was horrible in so many ways, but the communists did get the population literate. Despite the devastation of WWII the SU fought the US to a draw until the late 80s. If you wish to argue that Czarist Russia was a paradise that was ruined by communists, well, that is so profoundly stupid and ignorant I hardly know what to say. Communism certainly proves that dogmatic ideologies that are not religious in the conventional sense can cause evil as bad as religious fanatics at their worst. The solution is to give up ALL forms of dogmatic ideology, be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Communist or whatever.

Russia very likely saved us from Nazi Germany (including Stalin
and his pre-war focused modernization of Soviet Union).


--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.

[----------- A t h e i s t ------------]

For starters, enforce laws against frauds/scams/cons especially
religion claims asking for money or to trick elderly into giving
away their savings to a church.

I favor laws for continuous education programs about religion scams
and cons. People can still believe nonsense provided there is
little harm to society.

[JWS]

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 7:48:31 PM UTC-6, Jahnu wrote:

> Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?
>
> Yes, what of it?
>
> Atheism is like saying, that car created itself.
>

Can't believe that you have no aversion
to self-embarrassment.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:21:21 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
------------ <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Russia very likely saved us from Nazi Germany (including Stalin
>and his pre-war focused modernization of Soviet Union).

Why don't go and join your fascist friends over there, gookboy? Or how
about North Korea?

Hey look, here is the proof you're a subhuman piece of shit :D

Kriishna says:

Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among
mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the
atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. (Bg 7.15 )

[LinuxGal]

Then why did Janis ask the Lord to buy her one when he could
just make the fucking thing?

--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal

[----------- A t h e i s t ------------]

Jahnu wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:21:21 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
>

>>Russia very likely saved us from Nazi Germany (including Stalin
>>and his pre-war focused modernization of Soviet Union).
>
> Why don't go and join your fascist friends over there, gookboy?

History truth sets you off on extreme/irrational/hateful rant. LOL.

Thank-a-Russian for their huge sacrifices to save your freedom, dickhead.

[Kevrob]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:18:39 AM UTC-5, Don Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:39:29 -0800 (PST), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:

[snip]

> >Alcohol prohibition was a colossal failure, as is the "war on drugs."
>
> More than a failure, the government's attempts at enforcement

> led it to, in effect, commit murder of citizens ....

[snip]

>.... They find a new product to flog.).
>
> So far as the ballyhooed "War On Drugs....

[snip]

I couldn't agree more. Well done.

Another example: street drugs from pot tio heroin being
cut with Fentanyl. People who had no interest in using
opiods wind up hooked on them, or dead.

[Kevrob]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 8:22:41 AM UTC-5, default wrote:

> Going to church, calling yourself Christian, and mumbling some secret
> holy bullshit doesn't make one a theist.

All it takes to be a theist is believing in at least 1 ghod.

> Would you call D Trump a Christian?

He's a _nominal_ Christian, and perhaps a very poor one.
Only he knows what he believes. Could his commitment to
that religion be paper-thin? Oh, sure. Is his association
with any particular denomination or congregation at least
as much about displaying status, and social climbing? I
think that highly likely. "Trading up" churches as one
gets more successful, and in order to be even more successful
is an old American habit.

see:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/647034/donald-trump-been-without-church-3-years

> or Kushner a Jew?

He was enough of a Jew to get Ivanka to convert.
Whether he's devout, I can't say. This article suggests
Jared's folks were not happy about their boys marrying
shiksas.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/kushners-snubbed-brother-joshs-wife-for-6-years-because-she-wasnt-jewish/

> They are going through the motions as a matter of political
> expediency. (the pussy analogy) What they actually believe is
> exemplified by their behavior NOT their words.
>
> Hard to believe a marriage could withstand that degree of hypocrisy.
> If one values honesty in a partner, one would not make "faith" a
> precondition for marriage. But then I (personally) have no respect
> for submissiveness, so that colors my judgment.

There is the "I'm not devout, so if it makes him
(or her) happy. I'll convert." I do think going
through with a conversion and not meaning it is lame.
People do all sorts of nonsensical things to keep
peace in a family (and stay in a will...?)

[Kevrob]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 12:20:27 PM UTC-5, ----------- A t h e i s t ------------ wrote:

[snip]

> Russia very likely saved us from Nazi Germany (including Stalin
> and his pre-war focused modernization of Soviet Union).

The USSR was in cahoots with Germany even before the Nazi dictator
came to power, regarding military production and training.

[quote]

Ultimately, it was Germany that profited the most from the 13-year
cooperation with the Soviet Union. Hitler could never have rearmed
the nation so quickly without the testing programs in Russia. In its
secret bases, the German army and secret air force developed and
tested prototypes of new weapons that were ready for production when
he came to power in 1933 and began largescale rearmament. The Russian
venture left the German army and air force doctrinally ahead of the
other major powers.

[/quote]

https://www.historynet.com/devils-bargain-germany-and-russia-before-wwii.htm

When Hitler took over, he talked tough about being a bulwark
against Communism. He was out from under the strictures of
international inspection, so no longer needed the USSR agreement.

He made his own, later, which carved up Poland and the
rest of Eastern Europe between the two totalitarian powers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Credit_Agreement_(1939)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_(1940)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Border_and_Commercial_Agreement

Once the conspirators carved up Poland, WWII had begun
in Europe, but the USSR stayed out of further conflict,
until Hitler pulled this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

Putting the Soviets in the role of "saviors of Europe" when
they had done so much to help the Weimar Republic republic
rearm, the fruits of that rearmament falling into the
Hands of Hitler once he had consolidated power, and when
they connived with the Nazi regime to divide Eastern Europe
into two zones of influence, is ludicrous. The Soviets
were double-crossed. If they hadn't been, who knows when
the agreement between criminals would have broken down.

[default]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:08:36 -0800, LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, default wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 07:18:27 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?
>>>
>>> Yes, what of it?
>>
>> God created it.
>
>Then why did Janis ask the Lord to buy her one when he could
>just make the fucking thing?

The Lord, thy god, works in mysterious ways.

(it explains a multitude of disconnects from logic and reason)

[default]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:08:36 -0800, LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, default wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 07:18:27 +0530, Jahnu <ja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?
>>>
>>> Yes, what of it?
>>
>> God created it.
>
>Then why did Janis ask the Lord to buy her one when he could
>just make the fucking thing?

Janus is missing the whole concept of theism. Why should anyone have
to explain atheism to a 10 year old; unless the 10 year old was
already indoctrinated into a religion?

[Harry Krishna]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:50:06 PM UTC-5, Jahnu wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:21:21 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
> ------------ <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Russia very likely saved us from Nazi Germany (including Stalin
> >and his pre-war focused modernization of Soviet Union).
>
> Why don't go and join your fascist friends over there, gookboy? Or how
> about North Korea?

Fascists and Communists are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. You're as ignorant of socio-political systems as you are about everything else.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:44:51 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
------------ <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Thank-a-Russian for their huge sacrifices to save your freedom, dickhead.

What freedom, would that be? The freedom to get sick, old, and die?
What freedo are you talking about, exactly, shitbrain?

Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of

Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they very quickly ran that

mighty country on it's ass into some impoverished condition. Russia
used to be full of natural resources and minerals and Ukraine used to
produce grains for the entire Europe. Ukraine had the most splendid
farm-soil in the whole world. After being under the rule of atheism,
in a mere 70 years that country was reduced to a wasteland.

[Cloud Hobbit]

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:48:31 PM UTC-8, Jahnu wrote:
> Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?
>
> Yes, what of it?
>

> Atheism is like saying, that car created itself.
>

A better question would be "How do you explain theism to a ten-year-old atheist?"
And not have them laugh at you.

Is virgin birth any less weird than a god that has an elephant head and a human body?

Does a biblical creation explain the universe better or worse than the Big Bang?

[Davej]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 5:10:13 PM UTC-6, Jahnu wrote:
>
> Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
> Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of

> Europe. [...]

Russia was an aristocracy where the nobles were rich and everyone
else was a starving peasant. Did you flunk history along will all
your other subjects? How else do you think the Bolsheviks would have
been able to gain support and take over? People were starving and
there were food riots.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 14:39:32 -0800 (PST), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Not to mention that the sycophantic church supported pretty much
everything the Tsar did, and he was supposed to rule by divine right.

As well as the fact that they took the Tsar's side and fought for him
during the revolution - which wasn't "atheists vs the Tsar" but "the
oppressed rising up against him".

Which Jesper has had explained many times, so he was just being
deliberately nasty.

How would religionists like it if we tarred all Hindus with the
Nathuram Godse brush, all Christians with the Hitler brush, etc?

Even though religion and religious fervour are powerful motivators -
which atheism isn't because it's simply a description saying we're
_not_ something that a lot of people are.

[Jahnu]

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 14:39:32 -0800 (PST), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Russia was an aristocracy where the nobles were rich and everyone
>else was a starving peasant. Did you flunk history along will all
>your other subjects? How else do you think the Bolsheviks would have
>been able to gain support and take over? People were starving and
>there were food riots.

So what? Atheists made Russia into a totalitarian fascist state, and
people still starved. There is nothing nature hates more than an
atheist. Whatever atheists touch turns to shit, without exception.

No wonder you are such a miserable bastard, Jydedreng.


Vishnu says:

When one resents the demigods, who represent God, the Vedas, which
give all knowledge, the cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious
principles, and ultimately Me, the Supreme, he and his civilization

[Cloud Hobbit]

Jesper lied:

>So what? Atheists made Russia into a totalitarian fascist state, and
people still starved.

They were starving before the communists took over.

>There is nothing nature hates more than an
atheist.

Now you're hearing nature talking to you?

Whatever atheists touch turns to shit, without exception.

Your parents are atheists?

[Malcolm McMahon]

On Sunday, 16 February 2020 01:48:31 UTC, Jahnu wrote:
> Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?
>
> Yes, what of it?
>

Which _you_ might say, but a more neutral parent would simply say "Some people believe in one God, and some a different one, and some people don't believe in any of them."

Your argument doesn't work because, unlike Theists, kids don't _expect_ to have answers to every question.

[Kevrob]

I'd put them in the same corner of the Nolan Chart:
both totalitarians, even if one justifies that based
on race and the other based on class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_chart

[John Baker]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 11:08:53 -0800 (PST), JWS <jld...@skybeam.com>
wrote:

Jesper can't be embarrassed because he doesn't have enough sense to
realize he should be.







AA #1898
Giver of No Fucks
Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:45:02 -0500, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 11:08:53 -0800 (PST), JWS <jld...@skybeam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 7:48:31 PM UTC-6, Jahnu wrote:
>>> Hey kid, see that Mercedes Benz over there?
>>>
>>> Yes, what of it?
>>>
>>> Atheism is like saying, that car created itself.

A mindlessly stupid, transparent lie which tells us more about him
that it does about us.

>>Can't believe that you have no aversion
>>to self-embarrassment.
>
>Jesper can't be embarrassed because he doesn't have enough sense to
>realize he should be.

The religious loonies we get here, are remarkably stupid, and can't
stop lying about us, and about objective reality.

[Jahnu]

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:17:56 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>They were starving before the communists took over.

And they were starving after the communists took over.

Didn't you her what I just said, Cloudboy? As soon as atheists are in
charge everything turns to shit.

It's interesting to note iin this connection that the most
psychopathic, insane mass-murderers in human history have been avowed

atheists - Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot etc.

In fact Stalin makes Hitler look like a Sunday-school teacher. This
raving lunatic starved 20 million of his own people to death. Funny,
how they never teach you that in school, eh?

That's atheism for you - a disease of the mind.

Look Cloudy, God talks about you.

Krishna says:

Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among
mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the
atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. (Bg 7.15 )

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:49:27 -0600, Christopher A. FLee went:

>bitch moan whine

Look, Britboy, here is the proof you're a subhuman piece of shit.