NY Mosque funded by Saudi prince, part owner of FOX News
- Prince Al-Waleed is not just a $3 billion stakeholder in News Corp.
He’s also a backer of that same Imam Rauf. As Yahoo News reports, Prince
Al-Waleed has directly funded two of Rauf’s projects to the tune of more
than $300,000.
Watch:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap
If this is true which I doubt FOX News should be banned from the airwaves.
>
> NY Mosque funded by Saudi prince, part owner of FOX News
News Corp is a publicy traded company; even you could be "part owner."
Are you suggesting changing the rules regarding who can own stock in US
companies?
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
You clearly didn't watch the video, Bert. Rupert Murdoch and the guy
claimed by Fox fearmongers to be a "terrorist funder" prince Alaweed are
pals. In fact, Dumbya' Bush and "terror funding" Alaweed are also good
buddies.
So, what you're trying to say is that Murdoch doesn't have any control
over what's said on the Fox programs? And that Republican ex-Grand
Poobah Bush doesn't have any say either?
And you see that as a problem?
Here's your answer, dimbulb.
Saudi Billionaire Boasts of Manipulating Fox News Coverage
- ["Terrorist"] Al-waleed, who is a member of the Saudi Royal Family and
investor in the Fox News parent company News Corporation, gave an
interview boasting that he had called Fox to complain about coverage of
the “Muslim riots” in France. He said he “called as a viewer” and
“convinced them to change” the coverage because “they were not Muslim
riots but riots against poverty and inequality.” And “they changed” the
coverage, the Saudi reportedly said.
Another report on the comments, carried by the Dubai-based newspaper the
Khaleej Times, says that Al-waleed personally called Rupert Murdoch to
complain. The Saudi said, “After a short while, there was a change” in
the coverage.
An AIM call to Fox News asking for comment was not returned.
This is not the first time that Al-waleed has made controversial
statements. His $10 million contribution to a 9/11 fund was rejected
when he blamed the terror attacks on U.S. Middle East policy. Fifteen of
the 19 terrorist hijackers on 9/11 came from Saudi Arabia.
http://www.aim.org/press-release/saudi-billionaire-boasts-of-manipulating-fox-news-coverage/
Murdoch and ["terrorist"] Saudi prince team up to launch ‘Arabic Fox News’
- Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch has partnered with ["terrorist"] Saudi
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal to launch a new 24-hour news network for the
Arab world, a move that has drawn mockery from Murdoch's critics and
questions from media experts...
The new channel, based in Saudi Arabia, "will focus on development in
Saudi Arabia and the Arab world on the political, economic and social
fronts," Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the world's 19th-wealthiest person
according to Forbes, said in a statement.
The network will be competing with the two principal international
Arabic news services, Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya, and "is going to become
an addition and an alternative for viewers," bin Talal said.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0709/murdochs-news-corp-launch-arabic-fox-news/
> Saudi Billionaire Boasts of Manipulating Fox News Coverage
And of course you believe him.
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>> In news:9_qdnbo5FKTKuenR...@giganews.com John Manning
>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>>> In news:Wdadncq17fa3iunR...@giganews.com John Manning
>>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> NY Mosque funded by Saudi prince, part owner of FOX News
>>>> News Corp is a publicy traded company; even you could be "part
>>>> owner."
>>>>
>>>> Are you suggesting changing the rules regarding who can own stock
>>>> in US companies?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You clearly didn't watch the video, Bert. Rupert Murdoch and the guy
>>> claimed by Fox fearmongers to be a "terrorist funder" prince Alaweed
>>> are pals. In fact, Dumbya' Bush and "terror funding" Alaweed are
>>> also good buddies.
>>
>> So, what you're trying to say is that Murdoch doesn't have any
>> control over what's said on the Fox programs? And that Republican
>> ex-Grand Poobah Bush doesn't have any say either?
>>
>> And you see that as a problem?
>>
>
>
> Saudi Billionaire Boasts of Manipulating Fox News Coverage
>
How's that fit with your earlier whining about "Fox fearmongers"
claiming he was a "terrorist funder?"
Please get your story straight before continuing.
Murdoch and the "terrorist" prince are pals, dimwit.
So?
And, how's that fit with your earlier whining about the "Fox
fearmongers" claming he's a "terrorist funder?"
Doesn't sound like Murdoch's friendship has gotten this guy much.
Just because you're corrupt doesn't mean that everybody'd corrupt.
No big surprise here -- remember when George Bush
thought it was just fine for a Middle East based
megacorporation to take over the operations of a
major American seaport? Non-Elite Americans said WTF,
and Bush reacted in a give-away tone-deaf manner,
forgetting that Non-Elite Americans don't take it for
granted as he does that his Middle East Elite buddies
are just "Good Old Boys".
Is it really so hard to comprehend that the world's
Elites are on one team? What is so difficult about
understanding that the world's Elites are interested
in promoting what is good for business and power
first and foremost, and that they will opportunistically
do so as they are able to?
Elite politicians influence legislation and policy
to benefit elite businesses which promote elite
media dissemination that promotes elite politicians
so that they can continue to...influence legislation
and policy, etc and round and round it goes.
FoxNews and other Elite mass media companies
spin with the influences without any regard for
journalistic integrity.
If this story has the effect of taking FoxNews
down in credibility to any degree whatsoever,
thank you Mr. Stewart for helping to make up for
the fact that the applied and practical techniques
of Elites disseminating propaganda to Non-Elites
is not a required topic of study in American schools
every single year of elementary and high school.
Most Americans can't recognize it when they see it
and mistake the process as being a struggle of
political philosophy, instead of seeing it as the
class struggle it actually is.
Go ahead now and ignorantly label me a Commie
for saying the word "class struggle"...
You have to watch the video BEFORE you comment on it, dimwit. FOX News
is claiming the prince funds terrorists, yet in reality FOX owner Rupert
Murdoch and the "terrorist" prince are in business together.
On the contrary. I think it shows that he has absolute control over
what is said on the programs. He's learned the lessons of William
Randolph Hearst exceptionally well: 1) Deliberately create the
controversy, 2) Cover the controversy, 3) Rake in the bucks while
expanding your market share. Murdoch's problem is that his business
competition is far too resourceful and intelligent to allow it to go
by unnoticed. Hearst and Pulitzer's opponents took a great deal of
time to acquire that level of ability and market share. Murdoch
doesn't have that luxury.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Paranormal Phycology
"Please remain. You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war." -
William Randolph Hearst to artist Frederic Remington, shortly before
Hearst whipped up popular sentiment through his media outlets and
engineered the Spanish-American War, 1898.
You have to watch the video BEFORE you make comments on it, dimwit.
FOX News is claiming the prince funds terrorists, yet in reality FOX
owner Rupert Murdoch and the "terrorist" prince are in business together.
> Murdoch's problem is that his business competition is far too
> resourceful and intelligent
Well ...
> to allow it to go by unnoticed.
So, no problem.
Oh, Stewart has it right. The most effective way to attack Fox's pro-
terrorist pro-big-government duplicity is to laugh at them. It isn't
enough just to say they're wrong and to provide the evidence that they
are. They have to be made to look as utterly ridiculous and obviously
inept as they truly are. Stewart does this exceptionally well and the
"Parent Company Trap" sequence is a very good example of this.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Paranormal Phycology
"Only laughter can blow [a colossal humbug] to rags and atoms at a
blast. Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand." - Mark
Twain, who staunchly opposed Hearst's media-generated Spanish-American
War and helped to found the Anti-Imperialist League in opposition to
it.
Busted.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
Once again, you missed the point, Bert. Fox News was trying to ramp up
the hatred by saying that the Islamic Center was being financed by a
radical Saudi prince who supports terrorism. They failed to mention that
the guy they were demonizing was a major investor in Newscorp, the
company that owns the network. Daily Show host John Stewart drew
attention to Fox News Channel's hypocrisy in his usual amusing way. He
even showed photos of Newscorp's head, Rupert Murdock, with the evil
prince and tossed in a clip of George W. Bush with the prince as a bonus.
> On Tue 8/24/10 15:08, Bert Hyman wrote:
>> In news:9_qdnbo5FKTKuenR...@giganews.com John Manning
>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>>> In news:Wdadncq17fa3iunR...@giganews.com John Manning
>>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> NY Mosque funded by Saudi prince, part owner of FOX News
>>>>
>>>> News Corp is a publicy traded company; even you could be "part
>>>> owner."
>>>>
>>>> Are you suggesting changing the rules regarding who can own stock
>>>> in US companies?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You clearly didn't watch the video, Bert. Rupert Murdoch and the guy
>>> claimed by Fox fearmongers to be a "terrorist funder" prince Alaweed
>>> are pals. In fact, Dumbya' Bush and "terror funding" Alaweed are
>>> also good buddies.
>>
>> So, what you're trying to say is that Murdoch doesn't have any
>> control over what's said on the Fox programs? And that Republican
>> ex-Grand Poobah Bush doesn't have any say either?
>>
>> And you see that as a problem?
>>
>
> Once again, you missed the point, Bert. Fox News was trying to ramp up
> the hatred by saying that the Islamic Center was being financed by a
> radical Saudi prince who supports terrorism.
Is it? Does he?
> They failed to mention that the guy they were demonizing was a major
> investor in Newscorp, the company that owns the network. Daily Show
> host John Stewart drew attention to Fox News Channel's hypocrisy
Are you saying that Fox SHOULD have slanted their coverage to avoid
angering this "major investor?"
> in his usual amusing way. He even showed photos of Newscorp's head,
> Rupert Murdock, with the evil prince and tossed in a clip of George W.
> Bush with the prince as a bonus.
And today he can show pictures of Jimmy Carter cozying up to North
Korea's bloody regime.
You say I've missed the point.
So, what's the point?
It is standard and correct journalistic practice for a news agency to
reveal any association they may have with anyone connected to a
story. It prevents conflict of interest issues when that point is
learned after the fact.
A $3,000,000,000.00 investment in the company qualifies as 'an
association".
Further proof that Fox News is not a news agency and they don't
practice journalism.
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a.a. #2273
> It is standard and correct journalistic practice for a news agency to
> reveal any association they may have with anyone connected to a
> story. It prevents conflict of interest issues when that point is
> learned after the fact.
>
> A $3,000,000,000.00 investment in the company qualifies as 'an
> association".
Buying a company stock on the open market is hardly an "investment in
the company."
Still, that information is published in reports filed with the SEC.
Will you be posting the names of the major investors in the broadcast
networks? New York Times? Washington Post?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
No need to change the rules, SEC requlations clearly allow companies
to revoke their corporate ties to anyone they find to be disreputable,
or fraudulent. If this person is supporting terrorists and/or
terrorist organizations, then FOX News can force a buyback of the
stock, and/or disenfranchise the stock. (it would be worthless
paper). Of course, thise takes a whole lot of paperwork and court
hearings to accomplish.
As the major stockholder, Murdock would have significant control.
But this is much more than just a stockholder relationship. Al-Waleed
and Murdoch have had direct business dealings with each other, and
apparently are on friendly terms, and more importantly, both seem to
be able to control the content and bias of the Fox News content.
I would expect that any story that Fox News reports concerning Murdoch
would also have that form of announcement. Just as, from now on,
whenever they report a story about a Republican state governor, they
announce that their parent organization paid $1 million to the
Republican Governors Association, but did not make a matching
contribution to any similar Democratic organization.
But they won't.
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a.a. #2273
> Still, that information is published in reports filed with the SEC.
>
> Will you be posting the names of the major investors in the broadcast
> networks? New York Times? Washington Post?
>
> --
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN b...@iphouse.com
The other posters are putting forward two apparently contradictory
positions:
A) Alaweed is a good buddy of Murdoch and a major shareholder of News
Corp, therefore Fox's coverage of Alaweed is slanted in Alaweed's favor.
B) Fox news is stiring up a furor over the proposed mosque in New York
and presenting Alaweed as a terrorist supporter.
So, is Alaweed a terrorist supporter, or is Murdoch intentionally
smearing his good buddy?
They're doing what rich greedy people always do and juicing up a story
to get richer. They know a news cycle runs its course, and neither
one cares a whit about what the bourgeoisie thinks of them.
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a.a. #2273
>NY Mosque funded by Saudi prince, part owner of FOX News
>- Prince Al-Waleed is not just a $3 billion stakeholder in News Corp.
>He’s also a backer of that same Imam Rauf. As Yahoo News reports, Prince
>Al-Waleed has directly funded two of Rauf’s projects to the tune of more
>than $300,000.
>http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap
These FOX "News" Christians are *traitors* who advocate the nation's
enemie's agenda. By whipping up Christanic hatred of Islamics, they are
fufilling every desire that Osama bin Laden had.
---
Does belief in astrology cause insanity? http://www.skeptictank.org/edm.htm
There already are laws, ya fucking idiot, which makes funding terrorist
organizations illegal.
> Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>In news:Wdadncq17fa3iunR...@giganews.com John Manning
>><jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>> NY Mosque funded by Saudi prince, part owner of FOX News
>>News Corp is a publicy traded company; even you could be "part owner."
>>Are you suggesting changing the rules regarding who can own stock in
>>US companies?
>
> There already are laws, ya fucking idiot, which makes funding
> terrorist organizations illegal.
Who's funding what terrorist organization through this ownership of a
publicly traded stock?
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Have you watched the video? The Fax "report" was very careful about
namning Alaweed directly.
Neither. The FOX crew in the video are typically fearmongering based on
their false claims that Alaweed is a terrorist supporter while at the
same time neglecting to reveal that News Corp and Alaweed are in
business together. They don't care what the truth is and apparently
neither does Rupert Murdoch as long as FOX's ratings are up. - - - Are
you really that thick, Bert?
You are mistaken again, Bert. Because you do not understand them, you
view the positions as contradictory.
You mischaracterize the second position. Fox News stirred up the furor
by presenting his King Foundation as a terrorist supporter - not
Alaweed. Neither Alaweed nor his association with the foundation was
mentioned.
Murdoch is trying to use his buddy's foundation to smear the the mosque
project without without smearing his buddy or himself.
Journalism's voluntary 'full disclosure' policy requires acknowledgment
of financial or other ties to a subject of a report as a way to preempt
claims of bias resulting from the relationship.
Had Fox News disclosed their ties to the prince, it would have been
convincing evidence that they are not biased as their report clearly
depicts his foundation as a supporter of terrorism.
The Daily Show correctly pointed out that Fox News identified only the
prince's foundation but not the prince. By failing to follow the full
disclosure policy, Fox News left themselves open to subsequent criticism
and speculation regarding their motives for concealing the prince's
identity. A good case can be made that Fox News was being blatantly
hypocritical by misleading its viewers.
If Murdoch was trying to smear his good buddy, it would have been Fox
News that would have reported the connection to Alaweed, not Fox's
competitors. Murdoch was trying to *protect* his friend by carefully
leaving him out of Fox stories of the issue while at the same time
whooping up the viewership. His competitors didn't let him get away
with it. Murdoch was simply steamrollered by more capable competition.
That's the way the free market works, Comrade.
So when the other posters said that Fox was representing Alaweed as a
"terrorist supporter", were they simply wrong or were they lying?
Rupert Murdoch is a Jew. What else would you expect from him?
>
He was on Bush's watch list for a short time, and is known to have
ties to several terrorist groups.
>Rupert Murdoch is a Jew. What else would you expect from him?
Strange for a Christian to be a Jew. I think you misread something.
"Asked if there is any truth to recent press describing his newfound
piety, Murdoch replies: 'No. They say I'm a born again Christian and a
Catholic convert and so on. I'm certainly a practicing Christian, I go
to church quite a bit but not every Sunday and I tend to go to
Catholic church -- because my wife is Catholic, I have not formally
converted.'" Interviewed in 1992. Nicholas Coleridge, Paper Tigers
(1993), p. 487.
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:19:58 +1000, "Harold Black" <hbl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Rupert Murdoch is a Jew. What else would you expect from him?
>
> Strange for a Christian to be a Jew. I think you misread something.
Not so strange once you apply the anti-semite's syllogism:
A) I don't like Jews
B) I don't like Rupert Murdoch
Therefore: Rupert Murdoch is a Jew.