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Viktor Tandofsky
Jul 9, 2019, 4:02:21 AM7/9/19
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Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St. Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.[8][9]
He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City, where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a Professor of Biochemistry.
He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City, where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a Professor of Biochemistry.
Tim
Jul 9, 2019, 4:29:50 AM7/9/19
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In Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, the first direct challenge brought in United States federal courts to an attempt to mandate the teaching of intelligent design on First Amendment grounds, Behe was called as a primary witness for the defense and asked to support the idea that intelligent design was legitimate science. Some of the most crucial exchanges in the trial occurred during Behe's cross-examination, where his testimony would prove devastating to the defense. Behe was forced to concede that "there are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred"[49] and that his definition of 'theory' as applied to intelligent design was so loose that astrology would also qualify.[50] Earlier during his direct testimony, Behe had argued that a computer simulation of evolution he performed with Snoke shows that evolution is not likely to produce certain complex biochemical systems. Under cross examination however, Behe was forced to agree that "the number of prokaryotes in 1 ton of soil are 7 orders of magnitude higher than the population [it would take] to produce the disulfide bond" and that "it's entirely possible that something that couldn't be produced in the lab in two years... could be produced over three and half billion years."[49][51][52]
Many of Behe's critics have pointed to these exchanges as examples they believe further undermine Behe's statements about irreducible complexity and intelligent design. John E. Jones III, the judge in the case, would ultimately rule that intelligent design is not scientific in his 139-page decision, citing Behe's testimony extensively as the basis for his findings:
"Consider, to illustrate, that Professor Behe remarkably and unmistakably claims that the plausibility of the argument for ID depends upon the extent to which one believes in the existence of God."[53]
"As no evidence in the record indicates that any other scientific proposition's validity rests on belief in God, nor is the Court aware of any such scientific propositions, Professor Behe's assertion constitutes substantial evidence that in his view, as is commensurate with other prominent ID leaders, ID is a religious and not a scientific proposition."[53]
"First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to 'change the ground rules' of science and lead defense expert Professor Behe admitted that his broadened definition of science, which encompasses ID, would also embrace astrology. Moreover, defense expert Professor Minnich acknowledged that for ID to be considered science, the ground rules of science have to be broadened to allow consideration of supernatural forces."[54]
"What is more, defense experts concede that ID is not a theory as that term is defined by the NAS and admit that ID is at best 'fringe science' which has achieved no acceptance in the scientific community."[55]
"We therefore find that Professor Behe's claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large."[56]
"ID proponents primarily argue for design through negative arguments against evolution, as illustrated by Professor Behe's argument that 'irreducibly complex' systems cannot be produced through Darwinian, or any natural, mechanisms. However, … arguments against evolution are not arguments for design. Expert testimony revealed that just because scientists cannot explain today how biological systems evolved does not mean that they cannot, and will not, be able to explain them tomorrow. As Dr. Padian aptly noted, 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.'… Irreducible complexity is a negative argument against evolution, not proof of design, a point conceded by defense expert Professor Minnich."[57]
"Professor Behe's concept of irreducible complexity depends on ignoring ways in which evolution is known to occur. Although Professor Behe is adamant in his definition of irreducible complexity when he says a precursor 'missing a part is by definition nonfunctional,' what he obviously means is that it will not function in the same way the system functions when all the parts are present. For example in the case of the bacterial flagellum, removal of a part may prevent it from acting as a rotary motor. However, Professor Behe excludes, by definition, the possibility that a precursor to the bacterial flagellum functioned not as a rotary motor, but in some other way, for example as a secretory system."[58]
"Professor Behe has applied the concept of irreducible complexity to only a few select systems: (1) the bacterial flagellum; (2) the blood-clotting cascade; and (3) the immune system. Contrary to Professor Behe's assertions with respect to these few biochemical systems among the myriad existing in nature, however, Dr. Miller presented evidence, based upon peer-reviewed studies, that they are not in fact irreducibly complex."[59]
"In fact, on cross-examination, Professor Behe was questioned concerning his 1996 claim that science would never find an evolutionary explanation for the immune system. He was presented with fifty-eight peer-reviewed publications, nine books, and several immunology textbook chapters about the evolution of the immune system; however, he simply insisted that this was still not sufficient evidence of evolution, and that it was not "good enough."[60]
"With ID, proponents assert that they refuse to propose hypotheses on the designer's identity, do not propose a mechanism, and the designer, he/she/it/they, has never been seen. ... In addition, Professor Behe agreed that for the design of human artifacts, we know the designer and its attributes and we have a baseline for human design that does not exist for design of biological systems. Professor Behe's only response to these seemingly insurmountable points of disanalogy was that the inference still works in science fiction movies."[61]
Jones would later say that Eric Rothschild's cross examination of Behe was "as good a cross-examination of an expert witness as I have ever seen. It was textbook."[62][63]
Yap Honghor
Jul 9, 2019, 5:06:14 AM7/9/19
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Kurt Nicklas
Jul 9, 2019, 6:44:42 AM7/9/19
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:29:50 AM UTC+3, Tim wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:02:21 AM UTC-4, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St. Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.[8][9]
> >
> > He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
> >
> >
> >
> > He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
> >
> > From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
> >
> > From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City, where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a Professor of Biochemistry.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe#Dover_testimony
>
> In Kitzm
Don't try to change the subject, Timothy.
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:02:21 AM UTC-4, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St. Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.[8][9]
> >
> > He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
> >
> >
> >
> > He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
> >
> > From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
> >
> > From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City, where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a Professor of Biochemistry.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe#Dover_testimony
>
> In Kitzm
When will you apologize for your anti-semitic and homophobic remarks?
Be a man not a child.
Say you're sorry.
Yap Honghor
Jul 9, 2019, 8:56:12 AM7/9/19
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No one here is trying to belittle the Jews.......
John Locke
Jul 9, 2019, 11:25:57 AM7/9/19
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On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 01:02:19 -0700 (PDT), Viktor Tandofsky
<vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St.
>Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.
>
<vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St.
>Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.
>
> He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
>
> He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his
>dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
>
> From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
>
> From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City,
>where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a
>Professor of Biochemistry.
...wen a scientist stops doing real science and goes off the rails in
>
> He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his
>dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
>
> From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
>
> From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City,
>where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a
>Professor of Biochemistry.
search of a magic designer then his academic credentials are
virtually meaningless.
Let me remind you once again of the Lehigh University Disclaimer:
"The faculty in the Department of Biological Sciences is committed to
the highest standards of scientific integrity and academic function.
This commitment carries with it unwavering support for academic
freedom and the free exchange of ideas. It also demands the utmost
respect for the scientific method, integrity in the conduct of
research, and recognition that the validity of any scientific model
comes only as a result of rational hypothesis testing, sound
experimentation, and findings that can be replicated by others.
The department faculty, then, are unequivocal in their support of
evolutionary theory, which has its roots in the seminal work of
Charles Darwin and has been supported by findings accumulated over 140
years. The sole dissenter from this position, Prof. Michael Behe, is a
well-known proponent of "intelligent design." While we respect Prof.
Behe's right to express his views, they are his alone and are in no
way endorsed by the department. It is our collective position that
intelligent design has no basis in science, has not been tested
experimentally, and should not be regarded as scientific."
___________________________________________________________________
Nature, you say, is totally inexplicable without a God. That
is to say,to explain what you understand very little, you
have need of a cause which you understand not at all.- Baron d'Holbach
The family that prays together...is brainwashing their
children. - Albert Einstein
One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.- Robert A. Heinlein
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 9, 2019, 12:11:35 PM7/9/19
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---"Tim" 4/6/19
"What's even funnier is that mad jew joe challenged me to a quiz,..."
---"Tim" 5/20/19
"But I'm not doing it for you, lazy jew."
---"Tim" 3/29/19
"Go suck on a can of Zyklon B, you ignorant fuck."
---"Tim" 8/13/17
Kevrob
Jul 9, 2019, 1:54:24 PM7/9/19
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:25:57 AM UTC-4, John Locke wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 01:02:19 -0700 (PDT), Viktor Tandofsky
> <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St.
> >Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.
> >
> > He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
> >
> > He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his
> >dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
> >
> > From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
> >
> > From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City,
> >where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a
> >Professor of Biochemistry.
>
> ...wen a scientist stops doing real science and goes off the rails in
> search of a magic designer then his academic credentials are
> virtually meaningless.
>
> Let me remind you once again of the Lehigh University Disclaimer:
>
> "The faculty...It is our collective position that
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 01:02:19 -0700 (PDT), Viktor Tandofsky
> <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St.
> >Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.
> >
> > He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
> >
> > He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his
> >dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
> >
> > From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
> >
> > From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City,
> >where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a
> >Professor of Biochemistry.
>
> ...wen a scientist stops doing real science and goes off the rails in
> search of a magic designer then his academic credentials are
> virtually meaningless.
>
> Let me remind you once again of the Lehigh University Disclaimer:
>
> intelligent design has no basis in science, has not been tested
> experimentally, and should not be regarded as scientific."
Behe seems to have had a conventional education before college in
> experimentally, and should not be regarded as scientific."
Catholic schools, which have no trouble teaching creationism in
religion class, and evolution in science class. "Old Earth"
creationism, with evolution, if it is the accepted scientific theory
(it is) as one of the "laws of the universe" written by Yahooey and
his Logos sidekick, aka Josh. The only difference between Catholic
OEC and secular cosmogony and evolutionary biology is the belief that,
once an organism complex enough to be considered "human" evolved,
Big Sky Daddy installed sous in them. It is "standard science +
a dash of magic."
See:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/does-the-new-pope-believe-in-evolution-453874239
The "you have to teach the controversy" types want to use the government's
public skools as a forum to push their religious beliefs. If it is being
done at a private religious school, who cares? The kids will still have
to learn the "standard model" if they want to pass any national biology
achievement tests, or state equivalents. The final exam for my biology
course at my private, Catholic high school was the New York State Regents exam.
No ducking natural selection, there. Ultimately, the real Young Earth nuts
want to pressure the organizations like the College Board or their state's
Departments of Education to put their religion-inspired version on at least an
equal footing with the "sciency science."
I wonder which fundamentalist loon captured Behe's brain? If he was
brought up Catholic, then his ID obsession is atypical. That's usually
the purview of the Protestant Fundies.
--
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Davej
Jul 9, 2019, 2:15:03 PM7/9/19
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:02:21 AM UTC-5, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> [...]
Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
include a disclaimer on their website.
> [...]
Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
include a disclaimer on their website.
Tim
Jul 9, 2019, 3:03:07 PM7/9/19
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When are you going to apologize for these, kuntles:
"Tim the Dim is canadian, Lo Mein." July 8, 2019 - Kuntsy demonstrates his marginal literacy and bigotry toward Chinese people.
"I didn't ask what it is, Lo Mein. Where is your pixie?" July 9, 2019 - Again kuntsy demonstrates his racist attitudes toward Chinese people.
"I guess proper punctuation isn't of much use in Toronto. Nothing there but tears and queers." May 15, 2019 - Kuntsy applies hate speech to an entire city over a punctuation error.
I see the hole you've dug for yourself is getting deeper. Perhaps you should start praying for yourself, kuntles.
Tim
Jul 9, 2019, 3:08:29 PM7/9/19
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Christopher A. Lee
Jul 9, 2019, 3:32:58 PM7/9/19
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everybody else, to go after Behe?
Viktor Tandofsky
Jul 9, 2019, 4:27:55 PM7/9/19
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The disclaimer is there to outline what I have been saying over and
over, that experts sometimes disagree in what is called a "controversy."
Kevrob
Jul 9, 2019, 6:06:39 PM7/9/19
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:27:55 PM UTC-4, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-7, Davej wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:02:21 AM UTC-5, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > > [...]
> >
> > Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
> > include a disclaimer on their website.
>
> Unlike you atheists, Lehigh Univ does not call him names.
Doubtless because he has tenure, and if they called him
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-7, Davej wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:02:21 AM UTC-5, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > > [...]
> >
> > Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
> > include a disclaimer on their website.
>
> Unlike you atheists, Lehigh Univ does not call him names.
out the way he should be, he'd file a grievance with the
American Association of University Professors so fast it
would make your thick head spin rapidly enough to create a
magnetic field.
> The disclaimer is there to outline what I have been saying over and
> over, that experts sometimes disagree in what is called a "controversy."
https://www.aaup.org/issues/academic-freedom/whatiscensure
Viktor Tandofsky
Jul 9, 2019, 6:58:54 PM7/9/19
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:06:39 PM UTC-7, Kevrob wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:27:55 PM UTC-4, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-7, Davej wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:02:21 AM UTC-5, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > >
> > > Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
> > > include a disclaimer on their website.
> >
> > Unlike you atheists, Lehigh Univ does not call him names.
>
> Doubtless because he has tenure, and if they called him
> out the way he should be, he'd file a grievance with the
> American Association of University Professors so fast it
> would make your thick head spin rapidly enough to create a
> magnetic field.
>
> > The disclaimer is there to outline what I have been saying over and
> > over, that experts sometimes disagree in what is called a "controversy."
>
Lehigh believes in academic freedom. Unlike you, they don't label anyone with a different view as a "troll." You were born too late, Kevrob. You would have made a great Gestapo or KGB agent. Joseph Goebbels would have considered you a protege.
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:27:55 PM UTC-4, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-7, Davej wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:02:21 AM UTC-5, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > >
> > > Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
> > > include a disclaimer on their website.
> >
> > Unlike you atheists, Lehigh Univ does not call him names.
>
> Doubtless because he has tenure, and if they called him
> out the way he should be, he'd file a grievance with the
> American Association of University Professors so fast it
> would make your thick head spin rapidly enough to create a
> magnetic field.
>
> > The disclaimer is there to outline what I have been saying over and
> > over, that experts sometimes disagree in what is called a "controversy."
>
Cloud Hobbit
Jul 9, 2019, 7:10:58 PM7/9/19
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Duckman Mcscrewface said:
>Lehigh believes in academic freedom. Unlike you, they don't label anyone with a different view as a "troll." You were born too late, Kevrob. You would have made a great Gestapo or KGB agent. Joseph Goebbels would have considered you a protege.
Unsupported opinions dismissed as lies.
>Lehigh believes in academic freedom. Unlike you, they don't label anyone with a different view as a "troll." You were born too late, Kevrob. You would have made a great Gestapo or KGB agent. Joseph Goebbels would have considered you a protege.
Is that the best you can do?
Viktor Tandofsky
Jul 9, 2019, 9:17:54 PM7/9/19
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Yap Honghor
Jul 9, 2019, 9:52:58 PM7/9/19
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On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 12:11:35 AM UTC+8, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:56:12 PM UTC+3, Yap Honghor wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 6:44:42 PM UTC+8, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:29:50 AM UTC+3, Tim wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:02:21 AM UTC-4, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > > > > Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St. Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.[8][9]
> > > > >
> > > > > He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
> > > > >
> > > > > From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
> > > > >
> > > > > From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City, where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a Professor of Biochemistry.
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe#Dover_testimony
> > > >
> > > > In Kitzm
> > >
> > > Don't try to change the subject, Timothy.
> > >
> > > When will you apologize for your anti-semitic and homophobic remarks?
> >
> > Not to mention that Tim has not made such remarks, but anti-semitic from any one is a lame excuse for allegation against Jews!
> > No one here is trying to belittle the Jews.......
>
> "You have some nerve calling others stupid, you stupid jew."
> ---"Tim" 4/6/19
That is not anti-semitic.
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:56:12 PM UTC+3, Yap Honghor wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 6:44:42 PM UTC+8, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:29:50 AM UTC+3, Tim wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:02:21 AM UTC-4, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> > > > > Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St. Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.[8][9]
> > > > >
> > > > > He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
> > > > >
> > > > > From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
> > > > >
> > > > > From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City, where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a Professor of Biochemistry.
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe#Dover_testimony
> > > >
> > > > In Kitzm
> > >
> > > Don't try to change the subject, Timothy.
> > >
> > > When will you apologize for your anti-semitic and homophobic remarks?
> >
> > Not to mention that Tim has not made such remarks, but anti-semitic from any one is a lame excuse for allegation against Jews!
> > No one here is trying to belittle the Jews.......
>
> "You have some nerve calling others stupid, you stupid jew."
> ---"Tim" 4/6/19
>
> "What's even funnier is that mad jew joe challenged me to a quiz,..."
> ---"Tim" 5/20/19
Not even close to anti-semitic.
> "What's even funnier is that mad jew joe challenged me to a quiz,..."
> ---"Tim" 5/20/19
>
> "But I'm not doing it for you, lazy jew."
> ---"Tim" 3/29/19
Scolding a person is not anti-semitic.
> "But I'm not doing it for you, lazy jew."
> ---"Tim" 3/29/19
>
> "Go suck on a can of Zyklon B, you ignorant fuck."
> ---"Tim" 8/13/17
Suggestion is anti-semitic???????
> "Go suck on a can of Zyklon B, you ignorant fuck."
> ---"Tim" 8/13/17
Cunt....you fail miserably!!!!!!
Yap Honghor
Jul 9, 2019, 9:55:19 PM7/9/19
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Yap Honghor
Jul 9, 2019, 9:57:19 PM7/9/19
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Yap Honghor
Jul 9, 2019, 9:59:57 PM7/9/19
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Is that what you want?
John Locke
Jul 9, 2019, 11:02:22 PM7/9/19
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intelligent design is not science and that they cannot endorse Behe's
religiously oriented views.
"While we respect Prof. Behe's right to express his views, they are
his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our
collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science,
has not been tested experimentally, and should not be regarded as
scientific."
Cloud Hobbit
Jul 9, 2019, 11:13:29 PM7/9/19
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Duckface McDickless said:
>>>Lehigh believes in academic freedom. Unlike you, they don't label anyone with a different view as a "troll." You were born too late, Kevrob. You would have made a great Gestapo or KGB agent. Joseph Goebbels would have considered you a protege.
>
>
>>Unsupported opinions dismissed as lies.
>
>>Is that the best you can do?
>You should have joined the circus.
I guess it IS the best you can do.
>>>Lehigh believes in academic freedom. Unlike you, they don't label anyone with a different view as a "troll." You were born too late, Kevrob. You would have made a great Gestapo or KGB agent. Joseph Goebbels would have considered you a protege.
>
>
>>Unsupported opinions dismissed as lies.
>
>>Is that the best you can do?
>You should have joined the circus.
Evasion noted.
Cloud Hobbit
Jul 9, 2019, 11:20:11 PM7/9/19
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Jon Locke said:
>.there is no "controversy". It's a unanimous consensus by Lehigh that
intelligent design is not science and that they cannot endorse Behe's
religiously oriented views.
The only reason the have the disclaimer is to let people know that they don't get seen as a university full of nut jobs.
>.there is no "controversy". It's a unanimous consensus by Lehigh that
intelligent design is not science and that they cannot endorse Behe's
religiously oriented views.
He surely has tenure and they can't get rid of him.
Of course it could be just a hoax so he can increas his wealth.
I understand his work outside of ID is good and not as sloppy as the ID stuff.
I wonder when and why he went crazy if he seriously believes what he says.
John Locke
Jul 10, 2019, 12:04:40 AM7/10/19
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some good journal articles on DNA structure protein structure.
Where he's gone haywire is with this ID nonsense. Why, I have no idea
because ID is simply not science and never will be.
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 10, 2019, 12:21:13 AM7/10/19
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Yap Honghor
Jul 10, 2019, 4:47:06 AM7/10/19
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Do you want me to teach you step by step how to google or to refer to a dictionary?????????
Step 1: Switch on your computer or laptop by pressing the Start button!
This button is usually at the upper most right corner.
Press it lightly until the light comes on!
Wait for one or two minutes until your screen comes on!
When you have done that, let me know and I shall provide the next step!
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 10, 2019, 4:50:52 AM7/10/19
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After all, according to your logic, if 'God' appears in a google search or 'God' has an entry in the dictionary then he MUST exist.
It's your standard of proof....not mine.
Enjoy!
Andrew
Jul 10, 2019, 5:29:52 AM7/10/19
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"John Locke" wrote in message news:fojaie94fcim1ehml...@4ax.com...
> Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
bio-machines make it a "religious fact"?
No, it is simply a fact. (If not please cite.) The problem is that this
exposes your "naturalism only" paradigm to be a deception; and that
they, as well as you, have endorsed a belief system that is dependent
upon fantasy rather than the evidence of empirical data.
Here is an example of a bio-molecular machine --> ATP Synthase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI8m6o0gXDY
"The ATP synthase machine has many parts we recognize from
human-designed technology, including a rotor, a stator, a camshaft
or driveshaft, and other basic components of a rotary engine. This
machine is just the final step in a long and complex metabolic
pathway involving numerous enzymes and other molecules-all
so the cell can produce ATP to power biochemical reactions."
This is one of the many molecular machines that are inside your
cells that are essential for you to be alive..so you can post here
today here on alt.atheism.
> Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
>> Davej wrote:
>>> Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
>>> > [...]
>>>
>>> Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
>>> include a disclaimer on their website.
>>
>>Unlike you atheists, Lehigh Univ does not call him names.
>>The disclaimer is there to outline what I have been saying over and
>>over, that experts sometimes disagree in what is called a "controversy."
>>
> ..there is no "controversy". It's a unanimous consensus by Lehigh that
> intelligent design is not science and that they cannot endorse Behe's
> religiously oriented views.
>
> "While we respect Prof. Behe's right to express his views, they are
> his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our
> collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science,
> has not been tested experimentally, and should not be regarded as
> scientific."
Does the fact that there is no "naturalistic only" origin for molecular
>>> Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
>>> > [...]
>>>
>>> Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
>>> include a disclaimer on their website.
>>
>>Unlike you atheists, Lehigh Univ does not call him names.
>>The disclaimer is there to outline what I have been saying over and
>>over, that experts sometimes disagree in what is called a "controversy."
>>
> ..there is no "controversy". It's a unanimous consensus by Lehigh that
> intelligent design is not science and that they cannot endorse Behe's
> religiously oriented views.
>
> "While we respect Prof. Behe's right to express his views, they are
> his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our
> collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science,
> has not been tested experimentally, and should not be regarded as
> scientific."
bio-machines make it a "religious fact"?
No, it is simply a fact. (If not please cite.) The problem is that this
exposes your "naturalism only" paradigm to be a deception; and that
they, as well as you, have endorsed a belief system that is dependent
upon fantasy rather than the evidence of empirical data.
Here is an example of a bio-molecular machine --> ATP Synthase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI8m6o0gXDY
"The ATP synthase machine has many parts we recognize from
human-designed technology, including a rotor, a stator, a camshaft
or driveshaft, and other basic components of a rotary engine. This
machine is just the final step in a long and complex metabolic
pathway involving numerous enzymes and other molecules-all
so the cell can produce ATP to power biochemical reactions."
This is one of the many molecular machines that are inside your
cells that are essential for you to be alive..so you can post here
today here on alt.atheism.
Gronk
Jul 13, 2019, 12:59:32 AM7/13/19
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Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St. Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.[8][9]
>
> He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
>
>
>
> He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
>
> From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
>
> From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City, where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a Professor of Biochemistry.
>
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8178-astrology-is-scientific-theory-courtroom-told/
> Behe grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he attended grade school at St. Margaret Mary School and later graduated from Bishop McDevitt High School.[8][9]
>
> He graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science in chemistry.
>
>
>
> He received his PhD in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 for his dissertation research on sickle-cell disease.
>
> From 1978 to 1982, he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health.
>
> From 1982 to 1985, he was assistant professor of chemistry at Queens College in New York City, where he met his wife, Celeste. In 1985, he moved to Lehigh University and is currently a Professor of Biochemistry.
>
Astrology would be considered a scientific theory if judged by the same
criteria used by a well-known advocate of Intelligent Design to justify
his claim that ID is science, a landmark US trial heard on Tuesday.
Because ID has been rejected by virtually every scientist and science
organisation, and has never once passed the muster of a peer-reviewed
journal paper, Behe admitted that the controversial theory would not
be included in the NAS definition. “I can’t point to an external
community that would agree that this was well substantiated,” he said.
Behe said he had come up with his own “broader” definition of a theory,
claiming that this more accurately describes the way theories are
actually used by scientists. “The word is used a lot more loosely than
the NAS defined it,” he says.
Rothschild suggested that Behe’s definition was so loose that astrology
would come under this definition as well. He also pointed out that Behe’s
definition of theory was almost identical to the NAS’s definition of a
hypothesis. Behe agreed with both assertions.
The exchange prompted laughter from the court, which was packed with
local members of the public and the school board.
https://www.aclupa.org/our-work/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts/
Viktor Tandofsky
Jul 13, 2019, 1:10:02 AM7/13/19
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I don't see a quote from Behe agreeing with anything.
Your article is from the ACLU, the one of the people that sued against ID.
That's a joke.
Cloud Hobbit
Jul 13, 2019, 1:13:49 AM7/13/19
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Gronk said:
>Rothschild suggested that Behe’s definition was so loose that astrology
would come under this definition as well. He also pointed out that Behe’s
definition of theory was almost identical to the NAS’s definition of a
hypothesis. Behe agreed with both assertions.
>The exchange prompted laughter from the court, which was packed with
local members of the public and the school board.
IOW Behemoth wants different standards for ID than for other science.
>Rothschild suggested that Behe’s definition was so loose that astrology
would come under this definition as well. He also pointed out that Behe’s
definition of theory was almost identical to the NAS’s definition of a
hypothesis. Behe agreed with both assertions.
>The exchange prompted laughter from the court, which was packed with
local members of the public and the school board.
Homey don't play that.
Viktor Tandofsky
Jul 13, 2019, 2:42:10 AM7/13/19
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 8:02:22 PM UTC-7, John Locke wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Viktor Tandofsky
> <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-7, Davej wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:02:21 AM UTC-5, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> >> > [...]
> >>
> >> Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
> >> include a disclaimer on their website.
> >
> >Unlike you atheists, Lehigh Univ does not call him names.
> >The disclaimer is there to outline what I have been saying over and
> >over, that experts sometimes disagree in what is called a "controversy."
> >
> ..there is no "controversy". It's a unanimous consensus by Lehigh that
> intelligent design is not science and that they cannot endorse Behe's
> religiously oriented views.
>
> "While we respect Prof. Behe's right to express his views, they are
> his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our
> collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science,
> has not been tested experimentally, and should not be regarded as
> scientific."
>
Unanimous? How about Bob's list of 1000 scientists????????????
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Viktor Tandofsky
> <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-7, Davej wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:02:21 AM UTC-5, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> >> > [...]
> >>
> >> Is such a turd and embarrassment to his school that they
> >> include a disclaimer on their website.
> >
> >Unlike you atheists, Lehigh Univ does not call him names.
> >The disclaimer is there to outline what I have been saying over and
> >over, that experts sometimes disagree in what is called a "controversy."
> >
> ..there is no "controversy". It's a unanimous consensus by Lehigh that
> intelligent design is not science and that they cannot endorse Behe's
> religiously oriented views.
>
> "While we respect Prof. Behe's right to express his views, they are
> his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our
> collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science,
> has not been tested experimentally, and should not be regarded as
> scientific."
>
Gronk
Jul 27, 2019, 12:07:01 AM7/27/19
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