Historical Method

[Joe Bruno]

Contemporary witnesses are not required for historical events.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method



"Most historical evidence comes from indirect witnesses, people who were not on the scene, but heard of the events from someone else. The Rule Against Hearsay does not apply to historical research."

[WeHang FagZ And Jews Too]

How many times are you going to post this SAME crap from WIKI?

[Joe Bruno]

until it sinks in to the brains of the stupid atheists.

[Tim]

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 4:37:58 PM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:

That is not what the article says, your use of quotes is dishonest or indicates that you're stupid. Who do you think you are bull shitting, you stupid cunt?

This is what it really says, you dumb fuck:

"Garraghan says that most information comes from "indirect witnesses," people who were not present on the scene but heard of the events from someone else.[7] Gottschalk says that a historian may sometimes use hearsay evidence."

[%]

[Joe Bruno]

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 2:37:48 PM UTC-7, % wrote:
>

You talk too much.

[Bob Officer]

I was taught hearsay, must be coupled with physical evidence to be
consider. Thusly the secondhand hearsay about a civilization called
Atlantis without some sort of physical evidence is called mythology.

It is easy for modern urban mythologies to become indirect hearsay history.
Separating urban myths from actual events which happened a few years ago
isn't easy.

I am thinking of an event which happened at work in 1985. One of the VPs
says it never happened. However it was witnessed too many people who called
him upon it. I wonder in 30 years when most of the witnesses and
participants are dead, what will history call true?

--
History is often made up by convincing liars...

[Cloud Hobbit]

Is this your way of trying to convince people that the Bible isn't just a massive load of fiction, fantasy and, forgery? It's not working.

I've tried to tell you before that it doesn't matter if some parts of the Bible are factually correct, as long as it is full of all that other crap, nobody can take it seriously as a history book. It's hard to take as bad fiction, let alone the word of an allegedly omnipotent deity. When you have the entire book of genesis
revealed as fiction, what do you expect?

[Cloud Hobbit]

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 3:12:23 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 2:37:48 PM UTC-7, % wrote:
> >
>
> You talk too much.

That must mean you've been caught. Again.

Why do you remain so fucking stupid?

[Joe Bruno]

Zakrete, doorok. Te znayesch nichto Y gavorisch erunde

[Smiler]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:33:27 -0700, Tim wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 4:37:58 PM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> Contemporary witnesses are not required for historical events.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method
>>
>> "Most historical evidence comes from indirect witnesses, people who
>> were not on the scene, but heard of the events from someone else. The
>> Rule Against Hearsay does not apply to historical research."
>
> That is not what the article says, your use of quotes is dishonest or
> indicates that you're stupid. Who do you think you are bull shitting,
> you stupid cunt?

It's a lying theist. 'Nuff said.

> This is what it really says, you dumb fuck:
>
> "Garraghan says that most information comes from "indirect witnesses,"
> people who were not present on the scene but heard of the events from
> someone else.[7] Gottschalk says that a historian may sometimes use
> hearsay evidence."

--
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

[hhya...@gmail.com]

Heard can be mistaken, lack of details, misheard, mislead, not trustable, and exaggerated, especially from some one else.

I heard from duke that he heard that Mad Joe is a Christian and a great liar.

[Joe Bruno]

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:

Moses


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.atheism/Non$20biblical$20evidence$20of$20Moses$20existence/alt.atheism/dmeQDsvXsG4/aYPwh6r4kp8J

Moses, exodus

"When it comes to Moses, again, you have a really larger-than-life portrait," said William Dever, a professor of archaeology from Lycoming College. "I doubt that the miracles attributed to him ever took place. I don't think he led three million Israelites out of Egypt in an exodus across the Sinai. I don't think he was the founder of Israelite religion, but


I think there was a Moses. I argue, and I think some other archaeologists will, too, there was a small exodus group -- not millions of people, but perhaps a few thousand -- who did escape from slavery in Egypt."

Plagues

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/7530678/Biblical-plagues-really-happened-say-scientists.html





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Moses and Pharoah

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/moses_pharaoh.htm




-
Exodus

http://beginningandend.com/did-the-exodus-really-happen-historical-evidence-of-the-exodus/

[Les Hellawell]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:52:46 -0700 (PDT), WeHang FagZ And Jews Too
<maca...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 4:37:58 PM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> Contemporary witnesses are not required for historical events.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method
>>
>>
>>
>> "Most historical evidence comes from indirect witnesses, people who were not on the scene, but heard of the events from someone else. The Rule Against Hearsay does not apply to historical research."

however the 'common sense' rules against accepting nonesense or
extraordinary claims unverified still apply AND WE WILL CONTINUE
TO APPLY THEM

>How many times are you going to post this SAME crap from WIKI?

Les Hellawell
Grreting from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

Martin Luther wrote::
"Faith must trample underfoot all sense, reason and understanding

Which means that if Luther practised what he preached
nothing he ever said made any sense

[Tim]

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 6:12:23 PM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 2:37:48 PM UTC-7, % wrote:
> >
>
> You talk too much.

You talk too much and you can't even read the links you post, idiot.

[Tim]

Repeating tat persons opinion over and over doesn't make it any more scientific, you dumb cunt.

[Joe Bruno]

Show us where I said:

"Quadratic equations have only one solution."

"Isoceles triangles are the same as equilateral triangles."

That is what you claimed in another thread.

[Joe Bruno]

You can't read.

[Smiler]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:51:16 -0700, hhyapster wrote:

> On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 4:37:58 AM UTC+8, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> Contemporary witnesses are not required for historical events.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method
>>
>> "Most historical evidence comes from indirect witnesses, people who
>> were not on the scene, but heard of the events from someone else. The
>> Rule Against Hearsay does not apply to historical research."
>
> Heard can be mistaken, lack of details, misheard, mislead, not
> trustable, and exaggerated, especially from some one else.

"Blessed are the Cheese makers." and "The Greeks shall inherit the Earth."
are but two examples of that.

> I heard from duke that he heard that Mad Joe is a Christian and a great
> liar.

About the only thing believable to have come from Duke.
We also have the evidence of ArtyJoe's own posting history.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Because he's Mad Joe Bruno the Loono.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:37:11 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smi...@jo.king>
wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:51:16 -0700, hhyapster wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 4:37:58 AM UTC+8, Joe Bruno wrote:
>>> Contemporary witnesses are not required for historical events.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method
>>>
>>> "Most historical evidence comes from indirect witnesses, people who
>>> were not on the scene, but heard of the events from someone else. The
>>> Rule Against Hearsay does not apply to historical research."
>>
>> Heard can be mistaken, lack of details, misheard, mislead, not
>> trustable, and exaggerated, especially from some one else.
>
>"Blessed are the Cheese makers." and "The Greeks shall inherit the Earth."
>are but two examples of that.
>
>> I heard from duke that he heard that Mad Joe is a Christian and a great
>> liar.
>
>About the only thing believable to have come from Duke.
>We also have the evidence of ArtyJoe's own posting history.

Dutch cheese is made backwards.

[Vincent Maycock]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:01:25 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
<ajtan...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 1:37:58 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> > Contemporary witnesses are not required for historical events.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Most historical evidence comes from indirect witnesses, people who were not on the scene, but heard of the events from someone else. The Rule Against Hearsay does not apply to historical research."
>>
>> Is this your way of trying to convince people that the Bible isn't just a massive load of fiction, fantasy and, forgery? It's not working.
>>
>> I've tried to tell you before that it doesn't matter if some parts of the Bible are factually correct, as long as it is full of all that other crap, nobody can take it seriously as a history book. It's hard to take as bad fiction, let alone the word of an allegedly omnipotent deity. When you have the entire book of genesis
>> revealed as fiction, what do you expect?
>
>Moses
>
>
>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.atheism/Non$20biblical$20evidence$20of$20Moses$20existence/alt.atheism/dmeQDsvXsG4/aYPwh6r4kp8J
>
>Moses, exodus
>
>"When it comes to Moses, again, you have a really larger-than-life portrait," said William Dever, a professor of archaeology from Lycoming College. "I doubt that the miracles attributed to him ever took place.

How about you, Joe? Do you believe this? Why or why not?

> I don't think he led three million Israelites out of Egypt in an exodus across the Sinai.

And this? Do you agree with your source here?

>I don't think he was the founder of Israelite religion,

True!

>but I think there was a Moses. I argue, and I think some other archaeologists will, too, there was a small exodus group -- not millions of people, but perhaps a few thousand -- who did escape from slavery in Egypt."

So is this your belief as well?

>Plagues
>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/7530678/Biblical-plagues-really-happened-say-scientists.html

Probably there were no plagues, whether natural or supernatural.

>
>Moses and Pharoah
>
>http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/moses_pharaoh.htm

This is just a retelling of the Bible study with speculations about
ancient Egypt mixed in; no "evidence for the Exodus" is found here.

>Exodus
>
>http://beginningandend.com/did-the-exodus-really-happen-historical-evidence-of-the-exodus/

Nothing in the way of valid evidence for the Exodus is found here,
either.

[Kevrob]

Acc to IMDB, John Cleese's family name was originally "Cheese."

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000092/bio

The quote above, and the "cheese shop sketch" take on new luster
when seen through that prism.

Kevin R

[Joe Bruno]

and I suppose you consider yourself the epitome of mental health?

Let me recollect some of your more memorable posts:

1.WHAT FUCKING GOD????????????
2.Don Black is a hero of the right.

3.I was wrong when I said Bruno is a Jew For Jesus-
Joe Bruno is actually a Roman Catholic
4.That theist(and all the others) are "morons", "imbeciles" and "proven serial liars."(we're still waiting to see the posts that prove they lied.)
5.All archaeologists are "religious loonies."
6.We know Moses did not exist because we don't have testimony from someone who knew him personally and lived another 1000 years after Moses died to tell us what he was like.
7."The GOP has been taken over by Christian Fundamentalists."
We asked you for their names but you didn't know any.

8. I know what everybody is thinking. They all know they are wrong.

[Tim]

Go check your math quiz stupid.

[Tim]

Actually, you can't read. You claimed the article said: "Most historical evidence comes from indirect witnesses, people who were not on the scene, but heard of the events from someone else. The Rule Against Hearsay does not apply to historical research."

It doesn't, it says: "Garraghan says that most information comes from "indirect witnesses," people who were not present on the scene but heard of the events from someone else.[7] Gottschalk says that a historian may sometimes use hearsay evidence."

You can't even accurately quote what someone else said, you stupid cunt.

[Cloud Hobbit]

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:01:28 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 1:37:58 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:
> > > Contemporary witnesses are not required for historical events.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Most historical evidence comes from indirect witnesses, people who were not on the scene, but heard of the events from someone else. The Rule Against Hearsay does not apply to historical research."
> >
> > Is this your way of trying to convince people that the Bible isn't just a massive load of fiction, fantasy and, forgery? It's not working.
> >
> > I've tried to tell you before that it doesn't matter if some parts of the Bible are factually correct, as long as it is full of all that other crap, nobody can take it seriously as a history book. It's hard to take as bad fiction, let alone the word of an allegedly omnipotent deity. When you have the entire book of genesis
> > revealed as fiction, what do you expect?
>
> Moses
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.atheism/Non$20biblical$20evidence$20of$20Moses$20existence/alt.atheism/dmeQDsvXsG4/aYPwh6r4kp8J
>
> Moses, exodus
>
> "When it comes to Moses, again, you have a really larger-than-life portrait," said William Dever, a professor of archaeology from Lycoming College. "I doubt that the miracles attributed to him ever took place. I don't think he led three million Israelites out of Egypt in an exodus across the Sinai. I don't think he was the founder of Israelite religion, but
>
>
> I think there was a Moses. I argue, and I think some other archaeologists will, too, there was a small exodus group -- not millions of people, but perhaps a few thousand -- who did escape from slavery in Egypt."
>

Your dishonesty never ends does it?

You know perfectly well that William Dever does not believe this horseshit and didn't say the second paragraph at all. That's your opinion, not his evidenced based opinion.

[Cloud Hobbit]

What's the problem? You list normal reactions from a rational human being who has to deal with idiots all day claiming things that simply are not true.

Based on the evidence we can conclude the following:

There is no God. No evidence ever.

No Adam and Eve. No evidence ever.

No Moses. No evidence ever.

No Exodus. No evidence ever.

No Passover. If the Moses and the Exodus never happened....................

No worldwide flood and no Noah or Ark. No evidence ever.

No Jesus. Nobody wrote about him in his lifetime. It seems impossible that nobody would think to write about a guy who was raising the dead and preforming other miracles.

There's more, but that should be enough.