On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 12:51:22 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 9:21:13 PM UTC-7, Wexford Eire wrote:
> > On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 9:05:59 PM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 5:53:47 PM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 4:15:29 PM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 1:04:58 PM UTC-7, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > > > Joe Bruno <
ajtan...@gmail.com> wrote in news:206985dd-8ac0-44e5-aa47-
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299219...@googlegroups.com:
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> > > > > > > This piece was done by his band with him playing clarinet:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oU7UyDyerQ
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> > > > > > Did you know he is former Jew turned atheist?
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> > > > > That's not the way Jewish law looks at it.
> > > > > His Mother was Jewish, so he was born a Jew.
> > > > > That will never change. Being Jewish has nothing to do with a person's beliefs.
> > > > > It is an ethnic category.
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> > > > You don't know what the word ethnic means. It means culturally, not religiously.
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> > > Read this, you babbling jackass:
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http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm
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> > That's nice, but it isn't true. I grew up among German Jews who had nothing but disdain for Eastern European Jews. Middle eastern Jews, Yemenis, Persians, etc., are their own groups as well. It goes on and on. Calling Jews an "ethnic" group is just a conceit of the Jewish community, a group that is always a minority and looks for security in thinking they all share a common ethnicity. The Jews of Beth Sholom in Elkins Park, PA, are sure hell not the same as the Hasidim of Brownsville, Brooklyn.
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> Jews disagree on all sorts of theological points and points of practice as well.
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> So do Americans.
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> The Orthodox Rabbis of Israel don;t want to recognize the Reformed Jews of America, not because of who their mothers were, but because of their core beliefs.
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You might find Netanyahu's position to be of interest:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/world/middleeast/israeli-minister-says-reform-jews-are-not-really-jewish.html?_r=0
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> There are splinter groups of Jews all over forming their own congregations. Jews are as splintered as Christians, with theological disputes among their believers that are just as silly as the theological disputes among Christians.
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> OH! Am I to consider you an objective observer on theology? ROTFL.
I don't particularly care what you consider me. I am right, though, and your incapacity to respond just confirms that.
> Don't make me laugh.
> There is some evidence for genetic commonality among Jews. Given the fact that Judaism originated in the Middle East and Jews in general married other Jews, and did not aggressively attempt to convert others (because they are, of course, the "chosen people"), it stands to reason they'd all be sixth or seventh cousins to one another. That genetic relationship doesn't necessarily reflect ethnic identity, however.
There is considerable evidence of genetic commonality among Jews. Here's one article on it in a Jewish publication:
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664
From the NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html
There are literally hundreds of articles on it. Do a search.
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> O, I see. People in the same nation never disagree?
> ROTFL!Not all Germans are anti-semites.Many of them helped Holocaust survivors escape the Nazis.
Yes, and Hitler complained about it. On the other hand, the British rounded up Jewish refugees, declared them enemy aliens and deported them to Australia where there were kept in concentration camps. All of that's not relevant.
Look, Jews are a distinct, proud, brave and accomplished people wherever they and whatever they do. Be proud to be one. I would. Like all people, however, they can't but help to absorb some of the characteristics oaf the people with whom they live and in some cases, as with Chinese Jews, they did this so completely they were assimilated and disappeared. Only among their descendants the tradition of not eating pork continued to linger. Even in the US, Jews made adaptions that some later disliked. The old synagogs in Philadelphia, for example, look for all the world like protestant churches. The 20th Century synagogs are quite distinct, however. Beth Sholom in Elkins Park, for example, was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. Other synagogs are quite distinctive and beautiful, eschewing the protestant look favored in the 19th Century.