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Cloud Hobbit
Mar 15, 2016, 2:49:04 PM3/15/16
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http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
Table of Contents
Christianity is based on fear
Christianity preys on the innocent
Christianity is based on dishonesty
Christianity is extremely egocentric
Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
Christianity breeds authoritarianism
Christianity is cruel
Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
Christianity produces sexual misery
Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
Christianity depreciates the natural world
Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
Christianity sanctions slavery
Christianity is misogynistic
Christianity is homophobic
The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
The Bible is riddled with contradictions
Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
Click on say Christianity is based on dishonesty and you will get something like this: 3. Christianity is based on dishonesty. The Christian appeal to fear, to cowardice, is an admission that the evidence supporting Christian beliefs is far from compelling. If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians--including those who wrote the Gospels--would feel no need to resort to the cheap tactic of using fear-inducing threats to inspire "belief." ("Lip service" is a more accurate term.) That the Christian clergy have been more than willing to accept such lip service (plus the dollars and obedience that go with it) in place of genuine belief, is an additional indictment of the basic dishonesty of Christianity.
How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
They also attempt to take advantage of public ignorance of the nature of scientific theories. In popular use, "theory" is employed as a synonym for "hypothesis," "conjecture," or even "wild guess," that is, it signifies an idea with no special merit or backing. The use of the term in science is quite different. There, "theory" refers to a well-developed, logically consistent explanation of a phenomenon, and an explanation that is consistent with observed facts. This is very different than a wild guess. But fundamentalists deliberately confuse the two uses of the term in an attempt to make their religious myth appear as valid as a well-supported scientific theory.
They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
For the love of decency, just go away.
Table of Contents
Christianity is based on fear
Christianity preys on the innocent
Christianity is based on dishonesty
Christianity is extremely egocentric
Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
Christianity breeds authoritarianism
Christianity is cruel
Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
Christianity produces sexual misery
Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
Christianity depreciates the natural world
Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
Christianity sanctions slavery
Christianity is misogynistic
Christianity is homophobic
The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
The Bible is riddled with contradictions
Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
Click on say Christianity is based on dishonesty and you will get something like this: 3. Christianity is based on dishonesty. The Christian appeal to fear, to cowardice, is an admission that the evidence supporting Christian beliefs is far from compelling. If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians--including those who wrote the Gospels--would feel no need to resort to the cheap tactic of using fear-inducing threats to inspire "belief." ("Lip service" is a more accurate term.) That the Christian clergy have been more than willing to accept such lip service (plus the dollars and obedience that go with it) in place of genuine belief, is an additional indictment of the basic dishonesty of Christianity.
How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
They also attempt to take advantage of public ignorance of the nature of scientific theories. In popular use, "theory" is employed as a synonym for "hypothesis," "conjecture," or even "wild guess," that is, it signifies an idea with no special merit or backing. The use of the term in science is quite different. There, "theory" refers to a well-developed, logically consistent explanation of a phenomenon, and an explanation that is consistent with observed facts. This is very different than a wild guess. But fundamentalists deliberately confuse the two uses of the term in an attempt to make their religious myth appear as valid as a well-supported scientific theory.
They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
For the love of decency, just go away.
Joe Bruno
Mar 15, 2016, 3:02:01 PM3/15/16
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WeHang FagZ
Mar 15, 2016, 3:31:11 PM3/15/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Christianity is based on fear
False
> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Christianity is based on fear
> Christianity preys on the innocent
> Christianity is based on dishonesty
> Christianity is extremely egocentric
False
> Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> Christianity breeds authoritarianism
False
> Christianity is cruel
False
> Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
False
> Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> Christianity produces sexual misery
False
> Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> Christianity depreciates the natural world
> Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> Christianity sanctions slavery
False, so why the God who mandated Christianity is NOT happy about America for making money off the Blacks? And He is about to show it to the world by bringing America to its knees. SAY BYE TO AMERICA.
> Christianity is misogynistic
False
> Christianity is homophobic
False
> The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>
You believe all above because you don't understand the cruel world of the pagan and Augustinian order where Christianity was born.
But for those who can comprehend it and know where we are today, we thank Christianity for having done such a tremendous job by bringing about and human dignity.
In other words, you are regurgitating the same calumnies from the writers of confusion who labelled their period of time the Enlightenment.
WeHang FagZ
Mar 15, 2016, 3:32:21 PM3/15/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 3:02:01 PM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
> Don't you tell us not to proselytize?
You? I thought you were a JEW?
>
> Don't you tell us not to proselytize?
bil...@m.nu
Mar 15, 2016, 4:09:30 PM3/15/16
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bil...@m.nu
Mar 15, 2016, 4:22:56 PM3/15/16
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:31:06 -0700 (PDT), WeHang FagZ
<maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>
>> Table of Contents
>>
>> Christianity is based on fear
>
> False
>
Then why is the christian motto "if they are not like us, then kill
<maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>
>> Table of Contents
>>
>> Christianity is based on fear
>
> False
>
them"
>> Christianity preys on the innocent
>
> False
innocent did not join them then they were labeled witches or worse and
murdered <see the first reason>
>
>> Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
>
> False
well jesus christ was never here and was totally based on one or more
>> Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
>
> False
normal humans that had no harry potter powers
>
>
>
>> Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
>
>
> False
They think they are the only correct religion, but that is all
>
>
>> Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
>
>
> False
religions so it is nothing new there, and they enforce their views
through murder and war <see reason 1>
>
>
>> Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
>
> False
a person that chooses to remain a Christian has been mentally
>
>> Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
>
> False
traumatized and is mentaly ill so what he said is correct
>
>
>
>> Christianity is cruel
>
>
> False
>
Death murder rape torture is not cruel?
>
>
>
>> Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
>
> False
>
You are jsut a moron
>
>
>> Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
>
> False
>
>
>> Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
>
> False
tell that to all the fag preachers and priests
>> Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
>
> False
sorry I dont feel like going through the entire ist it is pointless
>
>
>You believe all above because you don't understand the cruel world of the pagan and Augustinian order where Christianity was born.
>> Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
>
>
> False
They think they are the only correct religion, but that is all
>
>
>
> False
religions so it is nothing new there, and they enforce their views
through murder and war <see reason 1>
>
>But for those who can comprehend it and know where we are today, we thank Christianity for having done such a tremendous job by bringing about and human dignity.
and death huh??
>But for those who can comprehend it and know where we are today, we thank Christianity for having done such a tremendous job by bringing about and human dignity.
>In other words, you are regurgitating the same calumnies from the writers of confusion who labelled their period of time the Enlightenment.
christian terrorists... WHat about all of those? That is what your
entire religon is based on. Are you saying that muslims are all
correct and all the muslim terrorists that there are just may be doing
the right thing, because when everyone is eventuallly muslim then the
world weill be a better place? Is that what you are actually saying?
Because you dumb ass fucking religon did the EXACT same thing to get
where it is today.
You fucking moron
Astero...@yahoo.com
Mar 15, 2016, 4:47:08 PM3/15/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Christianity is based on fear
Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Christianity is based on fear
> Christianity preys on the innocent
> Christianity is based on dishonesty
> Christianity is extremely egocentric
Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
> Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> Christianity breeds authoritarianism
The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> Christianity is cruel
Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
> Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
> Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> Christianity produces sexual misery
StD
> Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> Christianity depreciates the natural world
> Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> Christianity sanctions slavery
Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
> Christianity is misogynistic
Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
> Christianity is homophobic
There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
> The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>
>
rantingri...@gmail.com
Mar 15, 2016, 5:14:12 PM3/15/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 1:49:04 PM UTC-5, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
> Table of Contents
>
> [snipped only for bandwidth]
> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
> Table of Contents
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>
Great post Cloud Hobbit! One of the best posts i've read
here for a while. You are a true "warrior for truth". I hope
the eyes of the theist bleed when they read the words
contained in it. I know their cold hearts will become
enraged as they read, but they will keep their minds closed
tightly, so that nothing outside of their reality leaks in.
Don't worry, some of them are beyond hope. Sure, we should
always try to enlighten them, but we must accept, that some
are just too stubborn to learn.
Until we can create a distinct division between those that
want to: cling to past (full of ignorance and religion), and
those who want to: be part of the future (full of knowledge
and the quest for more), our own development will be
delayed, simply due to their presence. And of course, there
is always the ever-present danger of them becoming violent.
They may not be an intelligent lot, but they sure know how
to use violence to achieve an end!
How can the enlightened be expected to live in harmony, when
we are scattered amougst masses of emotional savages, who's
ultimate dream would be to destroy us? We must join
together, and wash this filthy dirt from our "evolutionary
feet" once and for all. And not even for the sake of us, but
for the sake of future generations.
How much longer can the animosity exist between these two
diametrically opposed groups build before all out war is
waged? Of course, the easiest path, is to remove ourselves
from this earth, and let the savages *ROT*. And while the
technology to achieve this goal is coming so close that i
can smell it's production emissions, we are still many
generations until orbiting colonies are the norm.
Do you want to know what scares me more than anything? It's
the realization that we're getting *SO* close, so close to
*FINALLY* diversifying our existential risk, but our
collective existence could come to a tragic end, as we are
crushed on the loading platform by the weight of our own
emotional baggage! And as we lay there bleeding out,
gasping, and racked with pain, we are forced to watch
helplessly as the train pulls slowly away...
Kit
Mar 15, 2016, 5:19:41 PM3/15/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
> while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death.
All living things will die at some point.
>so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
I presume there are a lot of fearless atheists.
>
> >
> >
Astero...@yahoo.com
Mar 15, 2016, 5:46:08 PM3/15/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Kit wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > >
> > > Table of Contents
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on fear
> >
> > Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
>
> Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
it's a literal reading. word for word. If it's metaphorical the text makes it clear.
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > >
> > > Table of Contents
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on fear
> >
> > Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
>
> Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
>
> > while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death.
>
> You are mistaken about fear being the only option.
> All living things will die at some point.
>
> >so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
>
> I know a lot of joyless Christians.
> I presume there are a lot of fearless atheists.
>
> >
> > >
> > >
MattB
Mar 15, 2016, 5:49:52 PM3/15/16
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:46:06 -0700 (PDT), Astero...@yahoo.com
wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Kit wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> > >
>> > > Table of Contents
>> > >
>> > > Christianity is based on fear
>> >
>> > Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
>>
>> Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
>
>it's a literal reading. word for word. If it's metaphorical the text makes it clear.
OK can you show where it proposes either purgatory or the trinity?
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Kit wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> > >
>> > > Table of Contents
>> > >
>> > > Christianity is based on fear
>> >
>> > Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
>>
>> Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
>
>it's a literal reading. word for word. If it's metaphorical the text makes it clear.
Greywolf
Mar 15, 2016, 6:09:05 PM3/15/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 1:47:08 PM UTC-7, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> Christianity is based on life.
No it's not. From the very moment we are born, we are counting down the moments to our inevitable death. And who actually created death itself? Why none other than the God Jesus--according to John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Revelation 4:11.
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> Christianity is based on life.
And that was your God Jesus' "free will" to malevolently do it without any regard whatsoever as to HOW the individual is to die--even if it involves the most hideous and painful ways imaginable. It's what you Christians call "God showing His love for His earthly children." Right?
Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death.
so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
>
>
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>
> Christianity appeals to the intellect.
Think about it. And that kind of sadistic and malevolent behavior "appeals to the intellect"!! Are you kidding me? That's nuts!
Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
>
>
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
> Christianity is about truth.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/on-what-day-was-jesus-to-arise-from-the-dead-part-iv-the-conclusion/
What's the matter? Can't ?
Well there goes your claim that "Christianity is about truth"!! Wave bye bye to it. Kiss it goodbye.
>
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
> Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
>
>
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
> Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
>
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>
> The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
Try topping *that* with a cruelty that could be worse!
>
> > Christianity is cruel
>
> Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
>
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
> Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
>
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
> Who brings it up all the time, here?
>
>
>
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>
> StD
>
>
> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>
> It's about upholding the standard, and mercy.
>
>
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
>
> Every evil atheists expect Christians to obey, involves a tax that will enrich those who tax it.
>
>
> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
>
> Atheists use the natural world to trick people into thinking they're out to save the world, and then when nobody is looking the land that was confiscated from ranchers becomes Chinese solar farms and pay-offs to politicians.
>
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
>
> That's not the structure that most protestant churches take.
>
>
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>
> Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
>
>
> > Christianity is misogynistic
>
> Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
>
> > Christianity is homophobic
>
> There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
>
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
>
> Just your opinion.
>
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>
> Just your opinion.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/on-what-day-was-jesus-to-arise-from-the-dead-part-iv-the-conclusion/
>
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>
>
> Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
>
You can't reconcile Mark 8:31 versus Matthew 17:23 and their corresponding parallel passages. You simply will not be able to. And that proves your religion false.
So when are you going to drum up some honesty and admit those passages DO stand in contradiction to each other? Hmmmm?
Bob Officer
Mar 15, 2016, 6:34:17 PM3/15/16
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<Astero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Kit wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>>>> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>>>
>>>> Table of Contents
>>>>
>>>> Christianity is based on fear
>>>
>>> Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice
>>> between life and death,
>>
>> Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
>
> it's a literal reading. word for word. If it's metaphorical the text makes it clear.
It is fiction. eVidence shows the oldest fragment was written about the
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Kit wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>>>> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>>>
>>>> Table of Contents
>>>>
>>>> Christianity is based on fear
>>>
>>> Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice
>>> between life and death,
>>
>> Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
>
> it's a literal reading. word for word. If it's metaphorical the text makes it clear.
year 125. The rest it was written closer to the year 300.
It is nothing more than fiction.
John Locke
Mar 15, 2016, 7:00:38 PM3/15/16
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Astero...@yahoo.com
wrote:
...holy shit Hemorrhoid, you need to get yourself a wagon...you'd make
one helluva snake oil monger !
wrote:
one helluva snake oil monger !
John Locke
Mar 15, 2016, 7:11:56 PM3/15/16
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cause...it's not an invitation, it's a warning.
Christopher A. Lee
Mar 15, 2016, 7:24:01 PM3/15/16
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:00:39 -0700, John Locke
<johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Astero...@yahoo.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>>> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>>
>>> Table of Contents
>>>
>>> Christianity is based on fear
>>
>>Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice
>>between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only
>>option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility
>>of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with
>>atheism there is no choice but fear.
Liar.
<johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Astero...@yahoo.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>>> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>>
>>> Table of Contents
>>>
>>> Christianity is based on fear
>>
>>Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice
>>between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only
>>option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility
>>of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with
>>atheism there is no choice but fear.
As usual, a stupid theists projects his brainwashing onm the
un-brainwashed.
>>> Christianity preys on the innocent
>>
>>Christianity appeals to the intellect. Atheism rules by
>>secular mandates and taxation.
And atheism is a non-event.
>>> Christianity is based on dishonesty
>>
>>Christianity is about truth.
what are merely religious beliefs "the truth", doesn't make it so.
>>> Christianity is extremely egocentric
>>
>>Christianity says to care about people as you would have them
>>care about you.
Including this in-your-face, socioipathic loonie?
>>> Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>>
>>Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
anything to be saved from?
>>> Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>>
>>The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing
>>have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
Atheism is a non-event.
But Christianity created Hitler and the holocaust, today's Republican
party, etc.
>>> Christianity is cruel
>>
>>Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
Atheism is still a non-event and it's Tea party Christians who say
"gait outta here".
>>> Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>>
>>Christianity has allowed what you see today,
Christianity has activelyt obstructed scientific progress, executing
early scientists as heretics. It continues to obstruct it today, with
attempts to get greationism and ID taught, as well as religiously
motivated reseach into stem cells, etc.
>> atheism is about
>>"gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem
>>otta hair now!"
lives.
>>> Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>>
>>Who brings it up all the time, here?
accepted by most of the US population - eg there is also heterosexual
anal intercourse,
>>> Christianity produces sexual misery
>>
>>StD
>>> Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>>
>>It's about upholding the standard, and mercy.
What "mercy"?
>>
>>> Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing
>>>on imaginary evils
>>
>>Every evil atheists expect Christians to obey, involves a tax that will
>>enrich those who tax it.
>>> Christianity depreciates the natural world
>>
>>Atheists use the natural world to trick people into thinking they're
>>out to save the world, and then when nobody is looking the land
>>that was confiscated from ranchers becomes Chinese solar farms
>>and pay-offs to politicians.
>>> Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
>>
>>That's not the structure that most protestant churches take.
And many Protestant denominations have a hierarchy above the
individual churches. Eg the Methodists.
Jeanne Douglas
Mar 15, 2016, 7:32:30 PM3/15/16
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In article <681b3537-0692-4ed7...@googlegroups.com>,
This is what I've always said--this argument is pure blasphemy. It's
them saying that their god is too stupid to distinguish real worship
from fake Pascal-inspired "worship".
Gack! There's that slavish appeal to authority in action. Nobody put
"the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit". What people
placed above the Holy Spirit silliness was....let's say it all together
now:
EVIDENCE
> Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person
> acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
> Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by
> such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
>
> You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and
> convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
>
> For the love of decency, just go away.
Seconded.
--
JD
"If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to
your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake
the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
them saying that their god is too stupid to distinguish real worship
from fake Pascal-inspired "worship".
"the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit". What people
placed above the Holy Spirit silliness was....let's say it all together
now:
EVIDENCE
> Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person
> acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
> Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by
> such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
>
> You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and
> convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
>
> For the love of decency, just go away.
--
JD
"If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to
your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake
the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
Jeanne Douglas
Mar 15, 2016, 7:34:30 PM3/15/16
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In article <f8e9334b-5ef4-4b52...@googlegroups.com>,
Wow, do you really believe this tripe you're peddling?
bil...@m.nu
Mar 15, 2016, 8:19:14 PM3/15/16
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:46:06 -0700 (PDT), Astero...@yahoo.com
there are about 847383 kinds of morons, theres onlu 2 or 3 kinds of
retarded, 1 or 2 kinds of dumb, a million ways to stupid... and I
think you have every single one of them coverd
wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Kit wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> > >
>> > > Table of Contents
>> > >
>> > > Christianity is based on fear
>> >
>> > Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
>>
>> Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
>
>it's a literal reading. word for word. If it's metaphorical the text makes it clear.
>
>
>>
>> > while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death.
>>
>> You are mistaken about fear being the only option.
>> All living things will die at some point.
>
>atheism teaches that it's the only death, so fear is the end result.
There are like 758458 differnt kinds of idiots in this universe and
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Kit wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> > >
>> > > Table of Contents
>> > >
>> > > Christianity is based on fear
>> >
>> > Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
>>
>> Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
>
>it's a literal reading. word for word. If it's metaphorical the text makes it clear.
>
>
>>
>> > while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death.
>>
>> You are mistaken about fear being the only option.
>> All living things will die at some point.
>
>atheism teaches that it's the only death, so fear is the end result.
there are about 847383 kinds of morons, theres onlu 2 or 3 kinds of
retarded, 1 or 2 kinds of dumb, a million ways to stupid... and I
think you have every single one of them coverd
Olrik
Mar 15, 2016, 11:58:46 PM3/15/16
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<snipage>
You've already abandoned xianity : you're a muslim, remember?
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Olrik
Mar 16, 2016, 12:00:22 AM3/16/16
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And you're not a xian. You're a muslim.
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 16, 2016, 12:06:13 AM3/16/16
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Cloud Hobbit
Mar 16, 2016, 12:58:44 AM3/16/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 12:31:11 PM UTC-7, WeHang FagZ wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> False
>
Of course it is, that how it is sold. If you don't believe and do the things the lord commands, you go to hell and are tortured forever.
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> False
>
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>
> False
>
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
>
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
You don't think Christians tend ot feel superior to whatever or whoever is not part of their tribe or flock?
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
>
> False
>
Christians have often called themselves "God's people," "the chosen people," "the elect," "the righteous," etc., while nonbelievers have been labeled "heathens," "infidels," and "atheistic Communists" (as if atheism and Communism are intimately connected). This sets up a two-tiered division of humanity, in which "God's people" feel superior to those who are not "God's people."
> False
>
>
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
>
> False
>
This is a slam dunk.
>
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>
>
> False
>
Really? What do you call it when religion pressures politicians to pass laws they favor like they did in Ireland forbidding the sale of Birth Control? Their stance on freedom of expression goes all the way back to Galileo. Or how they used to jail atheists in England if you said you were an atheist?
>
>
> > Christianity is cruel
>
>
> False
Clearly you are not in full control of your faculties. The history of religious cruelty to its followers and to the unbelievers is the stuff of legend. Maybe you could point out the section of the Bible that condemns torture? Oh, wait, the Bible tells you how to inflict pain on ones slaves. No, not cruel at all. You're a complete twit and a liar.
>
>
>
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
>
> False
>
You have a real problemFor over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. with truth.
>
>
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
>
> False
>
When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
>
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
>
> False
This is just too stupid. The hatred coming from Christians towards homosexuals is not about sex? Coveting one's neighbor's wife? GMAFB.
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
>
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>
>
>
> False
>
So in your world telling people that sex is evil will not affect how one views sex? Those who study this will tell you that one of the biggest sectors of people to seek psychotherapy are Christians who have a lousy sex life because of their beliefs in a code of values that is anti-human. A code of values must be based on what the nature of man is. Christianity most certainly does not do that, because it is based on Bronze Age values, not rational ones.
>
>
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>
>
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>
>
> False
Another lie by you. This one is self evident to anybody who thinks.
> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>
>
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
>
> False
So the Catholic church didn't have a cozy relationship with Hitler? Organized Christianity is a skillful apologist for the status quo and all the evils that go along with it. It diverts attention from real problems by focusing attention on sexual issues, and when confronted with social evils such as poverty glibly dismisses them with platitudes such as, "The poor ye have always with you." When confronted with the problems of militarism and war, most Christians shrug and say, "That's human nature. It's always been that way, and it always will." One suspects that 200 years ago their forebears would have said exactly the same thing about slavery.
>
>
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
>
> False
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God; and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." (Romans 13:1-2)
>
>
> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
>
>
> False
Wrong again. The focus on the next life tends to make people less concerned for what happens her in the real world.
>
> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
>
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
Have you no familiarity with the Catholic church? Granted they are the most extreme but they are certainly not the only religion that has such a structure.
>
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
>
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>
>
> False, so why the God who mandated Christianity is NOT happy about America for making money off the Blacks? And He is about to show it to the world by bringing America to its knees. SAY BYE TO AMERICA.
>
Yadda, yadda, yadda, bullshit.
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>
>
> False, so why the God who mandated Christianity is NOT happy about America for making money off the Blacks? And He is about to show it to the world by bringing America to its knees. SAY BYE TO AMERICA.
>
>
> > Christianity is misogynistic
>
>
> False
>
Women in the Bible are not seen as anything much more than property, so yes it is.
>
>
> > Christianity is homophobic
>
>
>
> False
>
Liar you know this is true, why bother lying?
>
>
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
>
>
> False
>
True. It is not known for certain whether there even was a Christ, it may have been several crazy rabbis combined into one narrative. In any case it is completely ridiculous to think that somebody could be doing miracles and NOBODY WROTE A SINGLE WORD OUTSIDE THE BIBLE.
>
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
>
>
> False
>
>
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>
>
>
> False
>
Well now you're just lying.
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>
>
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> >
>
>
> False
>
If you spent a minute researching this you would know that it is very true. Maybe you have and you just continue to lie to yourself, but those similarities are not coincidence.
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> >
>
>
> False
>
>
> You believe all above because you don't understand the cruel world of the pagan and Augustinian order where Christianity was born.
> But for those who can comprehend it and know where we are today, we thank Christianity for having done such a tremendous job by bringing about and human dignity.
> In other words, you are regurgitating the same calumnies from the writers of confusion who labelled their period of time the Enlightenment.
So here's the score so far rational, thinking people: 20
those who believe in a magic man in the sky: 0
Joe Bruno
Mar 16, 2016, 1:26:16 AM3/16/16
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Joe Bruno
Mar 16, 2016, 1:27:30 AM3/16/16
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hhya...@gmail.com
Mar 16, 2016, 1:30:51 AM3/16/16
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hhya...@gmail.com
Mar 16, 2016, 1:31:47 AM3/16/16
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hhya...@gmail.com
Mar 16, 2016, 1:38:39 AM3/16/16
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 5:46:08 AM UTC+8, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Kit wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > >
> > > > Table of Contents
> > > >
> > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
> >
> > Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
>
> it's a literal reading. word for word. If it's metaphorical the text makes it clear.
It is a con book at best.
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Kit wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > >
> > > > Table of Contents
> > > >
> > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death,
> >
> > Christianity is based on an interpretation of the Bible.
>
> it's a literal reading. word for word. If it's metaphorical the text makes it clear.
>
>
> >
> > > while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death.
> >
> > You are mistaken about fear being the only option.
> > All living things will die at some point.
>
> atheism teaches that it's the only death, so fear is the end result.
No one fears death when he is old....especially for those who are very sick or disabled.
>
> >
> > > while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death.
> >
> > You are mistaken about fear being the only option.
> > All living things will die at some point.
>
> atheism teaches that it's the only death, so fear is the end result.
>
> >
> > >so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> >
> > I know a lot of joyless Christians.
> > I presume there are a lot of fearless atheists.
>
>
> claiming to be a Christian or being in church is not enough.
What is stupid is there is nothing to gain from believing and waste all the time in the a facility that is suppose to benefit the society, not to be wasted as a house of worship.
> >
> > >so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> >
> > I know a lot of joyless Christians.
> > I presume there are a lot of fearless atheists.
>
>
> claiming to be a Christian or being in church is not enough.
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 16, 2016, 1:55:11 AM3/16/16
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Cloud Hobbit
Mar 16, 2016, 2:23:35 AM3/16/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 1:47:08 PM UTC-7, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> Christianity is based on life.
Yes, life....after death.
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> Christianity is based on life.
Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death.
so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
>
>
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>
> Christianity appeals to the intellect. Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
>
>
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
> Christianity is about truth.
>
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
> Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
>
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
> Christianity is saving everyone,
so everyone is welcome.
As long as they aren't deep thinkers.
>
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>
> The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
>
Has nothing to do with atheism, and everything to do with communism, which is the same philosophy as Christianity.
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>
> The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
>
> > Christianity is cruel
>
> Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
>
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
> Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
>
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
> Who brings it up all the time, here?
>
>
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>
snip of more lies than I care to deal with today. You know you are a lying sack of shit and that nobody either likes or wants your input on this NG. Do yourself a favor and go to the library and start reading in the science section.
Then maybe ethics.
Joe Bruno
Mar 16, 2016, 2:25:10 AM3/16/16
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John Locke
Mar 16, 2016, 3:03:36 AM3/16/16
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Cloud Hobbit
Mar 16, 2016, 5:17:46 AM3/16/16
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Cloud Hobbit
Mar 16, 2016, 5:35:04 AM3/16/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7, rantingri...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
>
> Great post Cloud Hobbit! One of the best posts i've read
> here for a while.
Thank you very much. I do hope you don't think it was an original from my own head. I don't want to take credit for someone else's work.
You are a true "warrior for truth".
I know how anybody can feel righteous if they don't have the truth on their side.
I hope
> the eyes of the theist bleed when they read the words
> contained in it.
Not that it wouldn't be entertaining, I'd much rather change their minds. I know, it's pointless with the goons we get here.
I know their cold hearts will become
> enraged as they read, but they will keep their minds closed
> tightly, so that nothing outside of their reality leaks in.
Certainly true of our gang of terrorists.
> Don't worry, some of them are beyond hope. Sure, we should
> always try to enlighten them, but we must accept, that some
> are just too stubborn to learn.
>
Sad but true.
> Until we can create a distinct division between those that
> want to: cling to past (full of ignorance and religion), and
> those who want to: be part of the future (full of knowledge
> and the quest for more), our own development will be
> delayed, simply due to their presence.
It delayed things for a thousand years during the dark ages.
And of course, there
> is always the ever-present danger of them becoming violent.
>
I'm not worried about anybody sneaking through my monitor, but I know what you mean.
> They may not be an intelligent lot, but they sure know how
> to use violence to achieve an end!
>
But Jesus is all about love.
> How can the enlightened be expected to live in harmony, when
> we are scattered amougst masses of emotional savages, who's
> ultimate dream would be to destroy us? We must join
> together, and wash this filthy dirt from our "evolutionary
> feet" once and for all. And not even for the sake of us, but
> for the sake of future generations.
>
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't feel they have to convert everybody. If people would just respect that different people have different beliefs, and let it go at that, tings would run much smoother.
> How much longer can the animosity exist between these two
> diametrically opposed groups build before all out war is
> waged? Of course, the easiest path, is to remove ourselves
> from this earth, and let the savages *ROT*.
Or go on strike as in Atlas Shrugged, a tedious but nonetheless interesting book.
And while the
> technology to achieve this goal is coming so close that i
> can smell it's production emissions, we are still many
> generations until orbiting colonies are the norm.
>
That was the cool thing about Atlas Shrugged, the strikers found a way to hide inside the country. They used technology to make their haven invisible to the outside world.
> Do you want to know what scares me more than anything? It's
> the realization that we're getting *SO* close, so close to
> *FINALLY* diversifying our existential risk, but our
> collective existence could come to a tragic end, as we are
> crushed on the loading platform by the weight of our own
> emotional baggage! And as we lay there bleeding out,
> gasping, and racked with pain, we are forced to watch
> helplessly as the train pulls slowly away...
I never think the wackos are going to win in the end. Technology, science and the human spirit will win out in the end. It may not happen as fast as we'd like but it will happen.
I just don't understand why with so much crap in the world, why anyone would want to add to it.
Remember, we're all in this alone.
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 1:49:04 PM UTC-5, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > [snipped only for bandwidth]
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> >
>
> Great post Cloud Hobbit! One of the best posts i've read
> here for a while.
Thank you very much. I do hope you don't think it was an original from my own head. I don't want to take credit for someone else's work.
You are a true "warrior for truth".
I know how anybody can feel righteous if they don't have the truth on their side.
I hope
> the eyes of the theist bleed when they read the words
> contained in it.
Not that it wouldn't be entertaining, I'd much rather change their minds. I know, it's pointless with the goons we get here.
I know their cold hearts will become
> enraged as they read, but they will keep their minds closed
> tightly, so that nothing outside of their reality leaks in.
Certainly true of our gang of terrorists.
> Don't worry, some of them are beyond hope. Sure, we should
> always try to enlighten them, but we must accept, that some
> are just too stubborn to learn.
>
Sad but true.
> Until we can create a distinct division between those that
> want to: cling to past (full of ignorance and religion), and
> those who want to: be part of the future (full of knowledge
> and the quest for more), our own development will be
> delayed, simply due to their presence.
It delayed things for a thousand years during the dark ages.
And of course, there
> is always the ever-present danger of them becoming violent.
>
I'm not worried about anybody sneaking through my monitor, but I know what you mean.
> They may not be an intelligent lot, but they sure know how
> to use violence to achieve an end!
>
But Jesus is all about love.
> How can the enlightened be expected to live in harmony, when
> we are scattered amougst masses of emotional savages, who's
> ultimate dream would be to destroy us? We must join
> together, and wash this filthy dirt from our "evolutionary
> feet" once and for all. And not even for the sake of us, but
> for the sake of future generations.
>
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't feel they have to convert everybody. If people would just respect that different people have different beliefs, and let it go at that, tings would run much smoother.
> How much longer can the animosity exist between these two
> diametrically opposed groups build before all out war is
> waged? Of course, the easiest path, is to remove ourselves
> from this earth, and let the savages *ROT*.
Or go on strike as in Atlas Shrugged, a tedious but nonetheless interesting book.
And while the
> technology to achieve this goal is coming so close that i
> can smell it's production emissions, we are still many
> generations until orbiting colonies are the norm.
>
That was the cool thing about Atlas Shrugged, the strikers found a way to hide inside the country. They used technology to make their haven invisible to the outside world.
> Do you want to know what scares me more than anything? It's
> the realization that we're getting *SO* close, so close to
> *FINALLY* diversifying our existential risk, but our
> collective existence could come to a tragic end, as we are
> crushed on the loading platform by the weight of our own
> emotional baggage! And as we lay there bleeding out,
> gasping, and racked with pain, we are forced to watch
> helplessly as the train pulls slowly away...
I never think the wackos are going to win in the end. Technology, science and the human spirit will win out in the end. It may not happen as fast as we'd like but it will happen.
I just don't understand why with so much crap in the world, why anyone would want to add to it.
Remember, we're all in this alone.
Christopher A. Lee
Mar 16, 2016, 5:50:25 AM3/16/16
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 21:58:38 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 12:31:11 PM UTC-7, WeHang FagZ wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> >
>> > Table of Contents
>> >
>> > Christianity is based on fear
>>
>> False
>>
>Of course it is, that how it is sold. If you don't believe and do the
>things the lord commands, you go to hell and are tortured forever.
There's a bait'n'switch - children and converts get sucked in by its
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 12:31:11 PM UTC-7, WeHang FagZ wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> >
>> > Table of Contents
>> >
>> > Christianity is based on fear
>>
>> False
>>
>Of course it is, that how it is sold. If you don't believe and do the
>things the lord commands, you go to hell and are tortured forever.
benign persona, and then come the Orwellian redefinitions so that eg
hell and eternal torture are actually loving and good. Likewise
killing almost all life on Earth including babies, kittens and
puppies. This side of it only comes out _after_ they have been sucked
in.
.
Tim
Mar 16, 2016, 6:28:02 AM3/16/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
Nonsense, atheism doesn't say a damned thing about fear, theists rely on the fear tactic, and that's a fact.
>
>
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>
> Christianity appeals to the intellect.
LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
> Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
What utter fucking nonsense!
>
>
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
> Christianity is about truth.
>
Bull shit.
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
>
>
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
>
>
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
> Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
Yep, you are an idiot.
>
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>
> StD
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
>
>
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
>
>
> > Christianity is homophobic
>
> There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
So you agree, it's homophobic.
>
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
>
> Just your opinion.
Nope, it's a fact.
>
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> Christianity is based on life.
Nope, it's anti-life.
>Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
Nonsense, atheism doesn't say a damned thing about fear, theists rely on the fear tactic, and that's a fact.
>
>
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>
LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
> Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
>
>
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
>
Bull shit.
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
> Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
>
>
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
> Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
>
>
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>
> The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
>
> > Christianity is cruel
>
> The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
>
>
> Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
You're an idiot.
>
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
> Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
Yep, you are an idiot.
>
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
> Who brings it up all the time, here?
Theists.
>
>
>
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>
> StD
>
>
> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>
>
> It's about upholding the standard, and mercy.
More Bull Shit.
>
>
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
>
> Every evil atheists expect Christians to obey, involves a tax that will enrich those who tax it.
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
>
>
> Atheists use the natural world to trick people into thinking they're out to save the world, and then when nobody is looking the land that was confiscated from ranchers becomes Chinese solar farms and pay-offs to politicians.
More bull shit from the voices in your idiot head.
>
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
>
> That's not the structure that most protestant churches take.
>
>
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>
> Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
>
>
> > Christianity is misogynistic
>
> Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
You're still listening to those voices in your idiot brain.
>
>
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>
> Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
>
>
> > Christianity is misogynistic
>
> Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
>
> > Christianity is homophobic
>
> There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
>
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
>
>
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>
> Just your opinion.
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>
Nope, it's a fact.
>
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>
>
> Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
>
Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
>
Jeanne Douglas
Mar 16, 2016, 8:34:31 AM3/16/16
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In article <75578df4-d135-4f57...@googlegroups.com>,
Ya ever notice how often the Republicans complain about some damned
liberal trying to ram something down their throats. Over and over again.
liberal trying to ram something down their throats. Over and over again.
Christopher A. Lee
Mar 16, 2016, 11:21:21 AM3/16/16
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 03:27:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur...@gmail.com>
Darwin, who was a freethinker and atheist, and the fellow members of
his lunar society.
But in any case, it is extremely dishonest to credit Christianity for
the abolition of what had been a Christian practice for centuries
instead of those Christians (mostly Quakers and other non-conformists)
and non-Christians who had a conscience about it.
Wilberforce didn't seem to give it that much thought, and certainly
wasn't involved in the movement until they persuaded him to join it
and use his position as a member of parliament. It tool him twenty
years of campaigning in parliament - against the Christian majority
who supported slavery.
They required an MP to their side, and at the time, Quakers were
barred from parliament, as were non-theists.
wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>>
>> Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
Wilberforce was just one person. Other abolitionists included Erasmus
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>>
>> Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
Darwin, who was a freethinker and atheist, and the fellow members of
his lunar society.
But in any case, it is extremely dishonest to credit Christianity for
the abolition of what had been a Christian practice for centuries
instead of those Christians (mostly Quakers and other non-conformists)
and non-Christians who had a conscience about it.
Wilberforce didn't seem to give it that much thought, and certainly
wasn't involved in the movement until they persuaded him to join it
and use his position as a member of parliament. It tool him twenty
years of campaigning in parliament - against the Christian majority
who supported slavery.
They required an MP to their side, and at the time, Quakers were
barred from parliament, as were non-theists.
Bob Officer
Mar 16, 2016, 12:41:40 PM3/16/16
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Cloud Hobbit <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 12:31:11 PM UTC-7, WeHang FagZ wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>>> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>>
<Snip>
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 12:31:11 PM UTC-7, WeHang FagZ wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>>> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>>
was the bush stated reason.
Actually one can trace back to the very beginning of modern science of
medicine, when Hahnemann stated the knowledge of cause of disease is beyond
the keen of man and only knowledge reserved for God.
Then homeopathy dispensers originally use a leather bound bible to thump
their dilutions while mixing.
>>> Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>>
>>
>> False
> Another lie by you. This one is self evident to anybody who thinks.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing
>>> on imaginary evils
>>
>> False
> So the Catholic church didn't have a cozy relationship with Hitler?
> Organized Christianity is a skillful apologist for the status quo and all
> the evils that go along with it. It diverts attention from real problems
> by focusing attention on sexual issues, and when confronted with social
> evils such as poverty glibly dismisses them with platitudes such as, "The
> poor ye have always with you." When confronted with the problems of
> militarism and war, most Christians shrug and say, "That's human nature.
> It's always been that way, and it always will." One suspects that 200
> years ago their forebears would have said exactly the same thing about slavery.
> "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no
> power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever
> therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God; and they
> that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." (Romans 13:1-2)
sects to counsel young men to not only support the war in SE Asia, but to
accept being drafted (press gangs) into slavery of forced servitude of a
soldier of war.
We were sent to prop up a Christian minority government, which gave
preferential treatment to Catholics and created a class of non participants
in government unless they were Catholics.
>>> Christianity sanctions slavery
>>
>>
>> False, so why the God who mandated Christianity is NOT happy about
>> America for making money off the Blacks? And He is about to show
>> it to the world by bringing America to its knees. SAY BYE TO AMERICA.
>>
> Yadda, yadda, yadda, bullshit.
<snip>
>>> Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>>>
>>
>>
>> False
>>
> If you spent a minute researching this you would know that it is very
> true. Maybe you have and you just continue to lie to yourself, but those
> similarities are not coincidence.
duke
Mar 16, 2016, 7:02:18 PM3/16/16
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
>Table of Contents
God has spoken.
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
>Table of Contents
> Christianity is based on fear
> Christianity preys on the innocent
> Christianity is based on dishonesty
> Christianity is extremely egocentric
> Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> Christianity is cruel
> Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> Christianity produces sexual misery
> Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> Christianity depreciates the natural world
> Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> Christianity sanctions slavery
> Christianity is misogynistic
> Christianity is homophobic
> The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> Christianity is misogynistic
> Christianity is homophobic
> The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>
>
>Click on say Christianity is based on dishonesty and you will get something like this: 3. Christianity is based on dishonesty. The Christian appeal to fear, to cowardice, is an admission that the evidence supporting Christian beliefs is far from compelling. If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians--including those who wrote the Gospels--would feel no need to resort to the cheap tactic of using fear-inducing threats to inspire "belief." ("Lip service" is a more accurate term.) That the Christian clergy have been more than willing to accept such lip service (plus the dollars and obedience that go with it) in place of genuine belief, is an additional indictment of the basic dishonesty of Christianity.
>
>How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
>
>or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural
>events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
>
>
>How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
>
>or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural
>events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
>
>When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
>
>More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
>
>Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
>
>
>More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
>
>Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
>
>They also attempt to take advantage of public ignorance of the nature of scientific theories. In popular use, "theory" is employed as a synonym for "hypothesis," "conjecture," or even "wild guess," that is, it signifies an idea with no special merit or backing. The use of the term in science is quite different. There, "theory" refers to a well-developed, logically consistent explanation of a phenomenon, and an explanation that is consistent with observed facts. This is very different than a wild guess. But fundamentalists deliberately confuse the two uses of the term in an attempt to make their religious myth appear as valid as a well-supported scientific theory.
>
>They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
>
>Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are
>inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
>
>This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
>
>No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
>
>Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
>
>
>Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
>Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
>
>You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
>
>For the love of decency, just go away.
the dukester, American-American
>
>They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
>
>Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are
>inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
>
>This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
>
>No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
>
>Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
>
>
>Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
>Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
>
>You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
>
>For the love of decency, just go away.
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Astero...@yahoo.com
Mar 16, 2016, 9:56:19 PM3/16/16
to
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > >
> > > Table of Contents
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on fear
> >
> > Christianity is based on life.
>
> Nope, it's anti-life.
once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > >
> > > Table of Contents
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on fear
> >
> > Christianity is based on life.
>
> Nope, it's anti-life.
>
> >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
>
> Nonsense, atheism doesn't say a damned thing about fear, theists rely on the fear tactic, and that's a fact.
>
> >
> >
> > > Christianity preys on the innocent
> >
> > Christianity appeals to the intellect.
>
> LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
>
> > Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
>
> What utter fucking nonsense!
>
> >
> >
> > > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> >
> > Christianity is about truth.
> >
>
> Bull shit.
>
> > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> >
> > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
>
> That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
>
> >
> >
> > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> >
> > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
> >
> > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> >
> > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> >
> > > Christianity is cruel
> >
> > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
>
> You're an idiot.
more of your emoting.
> >
> > Christianity is about truth.
> >
>
> Bull shit.
>
> > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> >
> > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
>
> That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
>
> >
> >
> > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> >
> > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
> >
> > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> >
> > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> >
> > > Christianity is cruel
> >
> > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
>
> You're an idiot.
>
> >
> > > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> >
> > Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
>
> Yep, you are an idiot.
>
> >
> > > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> >
> > Who brings it up all the time, here?
>
> Theists.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > Christianity produces sexual misery
> >
> > StD
> >
> >
> > > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> >
> > It's about upholding the standard, and mercy.
>
>
> More Bull Shit.
>
> >
> >
> > > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> >
> > Every evil atheists expect Christians to obey, involves a tax that will enrich those who tax it.
> >
> >
> > > Christianity depreciates the natural world
> >
> > Atheists use the natural world to trick people into thinking they're out to save the world, and then when nobody is looking the land that was confiscated from ranchers becomes Chinese solar farms and pay-offs to politicians.
>
> More bull shit from the voices in your idiot head.
>
> >
> > > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> >
> > That's not the structure that most protestant churches take.
> >
> >
> > > Christianity sanctions slavery
> >
> > Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
> >
> >
> > > Christianity is misogynistic
> >
> > Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
>
> You're still listening to those voices in your idiot brain.
>
> >
> > > Christianity is homophobic
> >
> > There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
>
> So you agree, it's homophobic.
>
> >
> > > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> >
> > Just your opinion.
> >
> > > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> >
> > Just your opinion.
>
> Nope, it's a fact.
>
> >
> > > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> >
> >
> > Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
> >
>
> Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
Tim
Mar 17, 2016, 6:36:11 AM3/17/16
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:56:19 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > >
> > > > Table of Contents
> > > >
> > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on life.
> >
> > Nope, it's anti-life.
>
>
> once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
>
>
I have related the truth, Christianity is anti-life. Just look at the churches' attitudes towards sex.
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > >
> > > > Table of Contents
> > > >
> > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on life.
> >
> > Nope, it's anti-life.
>
>
> once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
>
>
I know it disgruntles you, but it's time for you to wake up to reality.
>
> >
> > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> >
> > Nonsense, atheism doesn't say a damned thing about fear, theists rely on the fear tactic, and that's a fact.
>
> sure it does.
> it's all about fear.
>that's why death education was introduced by humanists.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity preys on the innocent
> > >
> > > Christianity appeals to the intellect.
> >
> > LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
>
>
> you've been in that roach motel for much too long. You need to get intellectual.
>
> >
> > > Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
> >
> > What utter fucking nonsense!
>
> it's a fact.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > >
> > > Christianity is about truth.
> > >
> >
> > Bull shit.
> >
> > > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > >
> > > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
> >
> > That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > >
> > > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
> > >
> > > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > >
> > > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> > >
> > > > Christianity is cruel
> > >
> > > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
> >
> > You're an idiot.
>
> more of your emoting.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> > >
> > > Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
> >
> > Yep, you are an idiot.
>
> Just more of your emoting.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> > >
> > > Who brings it up all the time, here?
> >
> > Theists.
>
>
> I don't bring it up. ye atheists bring it up.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity produces sexual misery
> > >
> > > StD
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> > >
> > > It's about upholding the standard, and mercy.
> >
> >
> > More Bull Shit.
>
>
> never read a Bible, I see, much less heard a sermon.
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> > >
> > > Every evil atheists expect Christians to obey, involves a tax that will enrich those who tax it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity depreciates the natural world
> > >
> > > Atheists use the natural world to trick people into thinking they're out to save the world, and then when nobody is looking the land that was confiscated from ranchers becomes Chinese solar farms and pay-offs to politicians.
> >
> > More bull shit from the voices in your idiot head.
>
> Just an on-going fact.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> > >
> > > That's not the structure that most protestant churches take.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity sanctions slavery
> > >
> > > Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is misogynistic
> > >
> > > Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
> >
> > You're still listening to those voices in your idiot brain.
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is homophobic
> > >
> > > There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
> >
> > So you agree, it's homophobic.
> >
> > >
> > > > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> > >
> > > Just your opinion.
> > >
> > > > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> > >
> > > Just your opinion.
> >
> > Nope, it's a fact.
>
> just your opinion.
It says the moon is a light source, it isn't. It says a god created all the plants and animals in a couple of days, but the real world evidence shows that dinosaurs went extinct millions of years before humans appeared. So it's not an opinion, it's a fact.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> > >
> > >
> > > Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
> > >
> >
> > Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
>
> no they're not. you plagiarized that idea from someone who got it from someone who made it up.
hhya...@gmail.com
Mar 17, 2016, 7:16:52 AM3/17/16
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Are you unable to understand that there is no proto=pixie in this universe and that pixie-belief is the stupidest thing in this world?
Governments in the West want to encourage your freedom to delusion is merely a plot to get your vote and control you.....but your brain-damaged skull is unable to fathom.
John Locke
Mar 17, 2016, 12:36:59 PM3/17/16
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:09:10 -0500, bil...@m.nu wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
>On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
>Only 20? hell I can think for several hundred just offhand
>
...yeah, he left out those nasty communion wafers that some
>
sects use in their cannibalistic rituals.
Let Cos. Be - No Justice For Sluts
Mar 17, 2016, 1:14:15 PM3/17/16
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
So true....
>Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
>
>
> Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
Greywolf
Mar 17, 2016, 1:48:59 PM3/17/16
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Hey dude, Matthew 16:21 is irrefutably contradicted by Mark 8:31. Moreover, Jesus utters a "false prophecy" in both Mark 8:31 AND Matthew 12:40. Those "facts are indisputable. No "I'm going to believe what I want to believe ANYWAY" for you, if you are to have any credibility whatsoever.
Jesus did NOT arise on "Easter Sunday," but at some point in the wee hours of SATURDAY, as this article demonstrates:
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/on-what-day-was-jesus-to-arise-from-the-dead-part-iv-the-conclusion/
(That is, assuming there even WAS a "resurrection, simply for the sake of discussion.)
So there you have it: proof positive that your belief-system is in error. And there's no getting around it--unless you simply want to continue lying to yourself. But then there'd be no reason for you to post here any longer, now would there?
Tim
Mar 17, 2016, 2:05:21 PM3/17/16
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On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-4, Let Cos. Be - No Justice For Sluts wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> >Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
>
>
> So true....
>
No, not true, atheists high-light the differences between religions and point out that they can't all be true, but they can all be wrong.
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> >Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
>
>
> So true....
>
>
> >
> >
> > Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
>
> Now Greek myths are history???
> Ummmm..... Our God's pedagogy is revealed in those myths which were posted >beforehand in order them to undersdand Christ's RESURRECTION.
Christopher A. Lee
Mar 17, 2016, 2:14:33 PM3/17/16
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-4, Let Cos. Be - No Justice For Sluts wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> >Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
Did you actually say that?
It's the sort of thing lying theists say about athheists.
So, I went back up the thread, retrieving filtered messages, and...
Hemorrhoid Seven wrote it, you refuted it and "Let Cos Be" removed the
">" mark to make it look if it were yours.
>> So true....
This from the Liar For God who altered the attributions.
>No, not true, atheists high-light the differences between religions and
>point out that they can't all be true, but they can all be wrong.
Yep.
wrote:
>On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-4, Let Cos. Be - No Justice For Sluts wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> >Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
It's the sort of thing lying theists say about athheists.
So, I went back up the thread, retrieving filtered messages, and...
Hemorrhoid Seven wrote it, you refuted it and "Let Cos Be" removed the
">" mark to make it look if it were yours.
>> So true....
This from the Liar For God who altered the attributions.
>No, not true, atheists high-light the differences between religions and
>point out that they can't all be true, but they can all be wrong.
Tim
Mar 17, 2016, 2:55:32 PM3/17/16
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On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 2:14:33 PM UTC-4, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-4, Let Cos. Be - No Justice For Sluts wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
> >>
> >> >Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
>
> Did you actually say that?
No, he snipped a portion of the post. Assroid said it, The OP must still feel the need to share his theist stupidity, like Assroid did when he said it.
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-4, Let Cos. Be - No Justice For Sluts wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
> >>
> >> >Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
>
> Did you actually say that?
>
> It's the sort of thing lying theists say about athheists.
>
> So, I went back up the thread, retrieving filtered messages, and...
>
> Hemorrhoid Seven wrote it, you refuted it and "Let Cos Be" removed the
> ">" mark to make it look if it were yours.
>
> >> So true....
>
> This from the Liar For God who altered the attributions.
>
> >No, not true, atheists high-light the differences between religions and
> >point out that they can't all be true, but they can all be wrong.
>
> Yep.
So, once again, in short order, the aa theist trolls show their dishonesty and lack of reasoning skills.
Smiler
Mar 17, 2016, 3:31:06 PM3/17/16
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 18:02:21 -0500, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>
>>Table of Contents
>
> God has spoken.
But nobody heard him.
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>
>>Table of Contents
>
> God has spoken.
> *****
> "Masturbation of young boys is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****
--
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
%
Mar 17, 2016, 6:05:33 PM3/17/16
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rantingri...@gmail.com
Mar 18, 2016, 2:40:04 AM3/18/16
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 4:35:04 AM UTC-5, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> Thank you very much. I do hope you don't think it was an
> original from my own head. I don't want to take credit
> for someone else's work.
Actually i was not sure, but even if it was not your words,
> Thank you very much. I do hope you don't think it was an
> original from my own head. I don't want to take credit
> for someone else's work.
i still thank you for bringing it here so we could all enjoy
the truths contain within.
> > They may not be an intelligent lot, but they sure know how
> > to use violence to achieve an end!
> >
> But Jesus is all about love.
> > How can the enlightened be expected to live in harmony, when
> > we are scattered amougst masses of emotional savages, who's
> > ultimate dream would be to destroy us? We must join
> > together, and wash this filthy dirt from our "evolutionary
> > feet" once and for all. And not even for the sake of us, but
> > for the sake of future generations.
>
> It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't feel they have to
> convert everybody. If people would just respect that
> different people have different beliefs, and let it go at
No doubt about that!
> > How much longer can the animosity exist between these two
> > diametrically opposed groups build before all out war is
> > waged? Of course, the easiest path, is to remove ourselves
> > from this earth, and let the savages *ROT*.
>
> Or go on strike as in Atlas Shrugged, a tedious but
> nonetheless interesting book.
read *ANY* fiction book, including sci-fiction! Neither was
I ever interested in comic books, fantasy, or any of that.
No, it seems i'm obsessed with reality! People are always
encouraging me to read fiction, but, i just don't enjoy it.
Which i'll admit it's very strange, because i've always had a
highly active imagination, so it would seem as though the
"imaginative world" of story telling would be of interest to
me, but nope, it isn't. Of course, i'm aware that the book
is based on Rand's philosophy, but that doesn't help to
pique my interest in anyway whatsoever -- I'm convinced that
something must be terribly wrong with me! :-)
> I never think the wackos are going to win in the end.
threat. We have to worry about comets, asteroids, volcano's,
x-rays, and the ever evolving virus -- just to name a few!
;-)
> Remember, we're all in this alone.
hypatiab7
Mar 18, 2016, 3:22:32 AM3/18/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Christianity is based on fear
> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Christianity is based on fear
> Christianity preys on the innocent
> Christianity is based on dishonesty
> Christianity is extremely egocentric
> Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> Christianity is cruel
> Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> Christianity produces sexual misery
> Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> Christianity depreciates the natural world
> Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> Christianity sanctions slavery
> Christianity is misogynistic
> Christianity is homophobic
> Christianity is misogynistic
> Christianity is homophobic
> The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>
>
> Click on say Christianity is based on dishonesty and you will get something like this: 3. Christianity is based on dishonesty. The Christian appeal to fear, to cowardice, is an admission that the evidence supporting Christian beliefs is far from compelling. If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians--including those who wrote the Gospels--would feel no need to resort to the cheap tactic of using fear-inducing threats to inspire "belief." ("Lip service" is a more accurate term.) That the Christian clergy have been more than willing to accept such lip service (plus the dollars and obedience that go with it) in place of genuine belief, is an additional indictment of the basic dishonesty of Christianity.
>
> How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
>
> or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
>
> When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
>
> More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
>
> Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
>
> They also attempt to take advantage of public ignorance of the nature of scientific theories. In popular use, "theory" is employed as a synonym for "hypothesis," "conjecture," or even "wild guess," that is, it signifies an idea with no special merit or backing. The use of the term in science is quite different. There, "theory" refers to a well-developed, logically consistent explanation of a phenomenon, and an explanation that is consistent with observed facts. This is very different than a wild guess. But fundamentalists deliberately confuse the two uses of the term in an attempt to make their religious myth appear as valid as a well-supported scientific theory.
>
> They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
>
> Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
>
> This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
>
> No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
>
> Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
>
>
> Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
> Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
>
> You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
>
> For the love of decency, just go away.
Excellent list. Thank you.
>
> How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
>
> or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
>
> When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
>
> More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
>
> Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
>
> They also attempt to take advantage of public ignorance of the nature of scientific theories. In popular use, "theory" is employed as a synonym for "hypothesis," "conjecture," or even "wild guess," that is, it signifies an idea with no special merit or backing. The use of the term in science is quite different. There, "theory" refers to a well-developed, logically consistent explanation of a phenomenon, and an explanation that is consistent with observed facts. This is very different than a wild guess. But fundamentalists deliberately confuse the two uses of the term in an attempt to make their religious myth appear as valid as a well-supported scientific theory.
>
> They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
>
> Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
>
> This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
>
> No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
>
> Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
>
>
> Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
> Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
>
> You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
>
> For the love of decency, just go away.
hypatiab7
Mar 18, 2016, 3:24:41 AM3/18/16
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hypatiab7
Mar 18, 2016, 3:29:28 AM3/18/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 3:31:11 PM UTC-4, WeHang FagZ wrote:
>
>
>
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
>
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>
>
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity is cruel
>
>
> False
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>
>
>
> False
>
>
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity is homophobic
>
>
>
> False
>
>
> You believe all above because you don't understand the cruel world of the pagan and Augustinian order where Christianity was born.
> But for those who can comprehend it and know where we are today, we thank Christianity for having done such a tremendous job by bringing about and human dignity.
> In other words, you are regurgitating the same calumnies from the writers of confusion who labelled their period of time the Enlightenment.
Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
in the past.
It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:49:04 PM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> False
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
>
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>
> False
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>
>
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
>
> False
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
>
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
>
> False
>
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>
>
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity is cruel
>
>
> False
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
>
> False
>
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
>
> False
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>
>
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>
>
> False
>
> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
>
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
>
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
>
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
>
>
> False
>
>
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
>
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>
>
> False, so why the God who mandated Christianity is NOT happy about America for making money off the Blacks? And He is about to show it to the world by bringing America to its knees. SAY BYE TO AMERICA.
>
>
>
> > Christianity is misogynistic
>
>
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>
>
> False, so why the God who mandated Christianity is NOT happy about America for making money off the Blacks? And He is about to show it to the world by bringing America to its knees. SAY BYE TO AMERICA.
>
>
>
>
>
> False
>
>
>
> > Christianity is homophobic
>
>
>
> False
>
>
>
>
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
>
>
> False
>
>
>
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
>
>
>
>
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>
>
>
> False
>
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> >
>
>
> False
>
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> >
>
>
>
>
> You believe all above because you don't understand the cruel world of the pagan and Augustinian order where Christianity was born.
> But for those who can comprehend it and know where we are today, we thank Christianity for having done such a tremendous job by bringing about and human dignity.
> In other words, you are regurgitating the same calumnies from the writers of confusion who labelled their period of time the Enlightenment.
Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
in the past.
It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
hypatiab7
Mar 18, 2016, 3:31:07 AM3/18/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <f8e9334b-5ef4-4b52...@googlegroups.com>,
> Wow, do you really believe this tripe you're peddling?
>
It is the truth, forger.
> In article <f8e9334b-5ef4-4b52...@googlegroups.com>,
>
It is the truth, forger.
hypatiab7
Mar 18, 2016, 3:36:38 AM3/18/16
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
>
>
> Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
add the nasty stuff to keep themselves in power. You're afraid to even consider this, so you remain a religious mind slave.
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
> Christianity is based on life. Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> > Table of Contents
> >
> > Christianity is based on fear
>
>
>
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>
> Christianity appeals to the intellect. Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
>
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>
>
>
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
> Christianity is about truth.
>
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>
>
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>
> Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>
>
> Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
>
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>
> The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
>
> > Christianity is cruel
>
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>
> The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
>
>
> Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
>
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>
>
> Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
>
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>
> Who brings it up all the time, here?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>
> StD
>
>
>
> StD
>
>
> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>
>
> It's about upholding the standard, and mercy.
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
>
>
> Every evil atheists expect Christians to obey, involves a tax that will enrich those who tax it.
>
>
>
>
> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
>
>
> Atheists use the natural world to trick people into thinking they're out to save the world, and then when nobody is looking the land that was confiscated from ranchers becomes Chinese solar farms and pay-offs to politicians.
>
>
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
>
>
> That's not the structure that most protestant churches take.
>
>
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>
> Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
>
>
> > Christianity is misogynistic
>
> Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
>
>
>
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>
> Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
>
>
> > Christianity is misogynistic
>
> Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
>
> > Christianity is homophobic
>
> There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
>
>
> There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
>
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
>
> Just your opinion.
>
>
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>
> Just your opinion.
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>
>
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>
>
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>
>
> Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
>
>
> >
> >
When you getdown to the basics, most religions are the same. Religious leaders
>
>
> >
> >
add the nasty stuff to keep themselves in power. You're afraid to even consider this, so you remain a religious mind slave.
hypatiab7
Mar 18, 2016, 3:41:42 AM3/18/16
to
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 7:00:38 PM UTC-4, John Locke wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Astero...@yahoo.com
> ...holy shit Hemorrhoid, you need to get yourself a wagon...you'd make
> one helluva snake oil monger !
Nah, someone smarter than Johnboi would trick him out of it. Probably some ten year old kid.
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Astero...@yahoo.com
> one helluva snake oil monger !
Nah, someone smarter than Johnboi would trick him out of it. Probably some ten year old kid.
hypatiab7
Mar 18, 2016, 3:52:00 AM3/18/16
to
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:56:19 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > >
> > > > Table of Contents
> > > >
> > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on life.
> >
> > Nope, it's anti-life.
>
>
> once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
Every time anyone defeats you arguments, you get all emotional and accuse
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > >
> > > > Table of Contents
> > > >
> > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on life.
> >
> > Nope, it's anti-life.
>
>
> once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
people of feeling the way you do. Is it time for you to have another breakdown?
> > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
You constantly accuse atheists of feeling the same fears Christians feel 24 hours per day. Poor scaredy-cat Johnboi. You scream your own fear every time
you write.
hypatiab7
Mar 18, 2016, 3:57:17 AM3/18/16
to
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 7:02:18 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> >Table of Contents
>
> God has spoken.
Oh, my! Are you hearing things again? Is your god still talking to you
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> >Table of Contents
>
> God has spoken.
in your bathroom?
Joe Bruno
Mar 18, 2016, 4:26:22 AM3/18/16
to
On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 11:05:21 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-4, Let Cos. Be - No Justice For Sluts wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
> >
> > >Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
> >
> >
> > So true....
> >
>
> No, not true, atheists high-light the differences between religions
Show us where they do that.
> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-4, Let Cos. Be - No Justice For Sluts wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
> >
> > >Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
> >
> >
> > So true....
> >
>
> No, not true, atheists high-light the differences between religions
Joe Bruno
Mar 18, 2016, 4:28:24 AM3/18/16
to
Tim
Mar 18, 2016, 4:39:26 AM3/18/16
to
Irreverend Dave
Mar 18, 2016, 12:24:34 PM3/18/16
to
Cloud Hobbit <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Christianity is based on fear
> http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Christianity is based on fear
> Christianity preys on the innocent
> Christianity is based on dishonesty
> Christianity is extremely egocentric
> Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> Christianity is cruel
> Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> Christianity produces sexual misery
> Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of
> morality Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while
> focusing on imaginary evils Christianity depreciates the
> natural world Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian
> organization Christianity sanctions slavery
> Christianity is misogynistic
> Christianity is homophobic
> focusing on imaginary evils Christianity depreciates the
> natural world Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian
> organization Christianity sanctions slavery
> Christianity is misogynistic
> Christianity is homophobic
> The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other
> ancient religions
>
Replacing "Christianity" with "Religion" and by doing a couple of tweeks
> ancient religions
>
to the text you end up with a generic list that goes beyond Christianity.
Religion is based on fear
Religion preys on the innocent
Religion is based on dishonesty
Religion is extremely egocentric
Religion breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
Religion breeds authoritarianism
Religion is cruel
Religion is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
Religion has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
Religion produces sexual misery
Religion has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
Religion encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary
evils
Religion depreciates the natural world
Religion models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
Religion is misogynistic
Religion is homophobic
Religious texts are riddled with contradictions
Current religions borrow their central myths and ceremonies from other
more ancient religions
--
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or
Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify
and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. - Thomas Paine
WeHang FagZ
Mar 18, 2016, 1:47:17 PM3/18/16
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On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:29:28 AM UTC-4, hypatiab7 wrote:
>
> Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
> in the past.
> It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
So why do you use our Alphabets? We are the ones supposed to be inheritors of the Romans, which qualification as Saint Paul said is not based on race or the color of your skin.
>
> Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
> in the past.
> It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
"There is no longer Blacks, nor Whites; Circumcised or uncircumcised..." Saint Paul.
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 18, 2016, 2:13:51 PM3/18/16
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 4:02:18 PM UTC-7, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
And he has said you are an idiot. It was a little late to be news but since he said it it must be true.
>
> > Christianity is based on fear
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > Christianity is cruel
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
> > Christianity is misogynistic
> > Christianity is homophobic
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> >
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> >Table of Contents
>
> God has spoken.
>
> >http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> >
> >Table of Contents
>
And he has said you are an idiot. It was a little late to be news but since he said it it must be true.
>
> > Christianity is based on fear
> > Christianity preys on the innocent
> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > Christianity is cruel
> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> > Christianity produces sexual misery
> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> > Christianity sanctions slavery
> > Christianity is misogynistic
> > Christianity is homophobic
> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> >
> >Click on say Christianity is based on dishonesty and you will get something like this: 3. Christianity is based on dishonesty. The Christian appeal to fear, to cowardice, is an admission that the evidence supporting Christian beliefs is far from compelling. If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians--including those who wrote the Gospels--would feel no need to resort to the cheap tactic of using fear-inducing threats to inspire "belief." ("Lip service" is a more accurate term.) That the Christian clergy have been more than willing to accept such lip service (plus the dollars and obedience that go with it) in place of genuine belief, is an additional indictment of the basic dishonesty of Christianity.
> >
> >How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
> >
> >or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural
> >events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
> >
> >When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
> >
> >More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
> >
> >Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
> >
> >They also attempt to take advantage of public ignorance of the nature of scientific theories. In popular use, "theory" is employed as a synonym for "hypothesis," "conjecture," or even "wild guess," that is, it signifies an idea with no special merit or backing. The use of the term in science is quite different. There, "theory" refers to a well-developed, logically consistent explanation of a phenomenon, and an explanation that is consistent with observed facts. This is very different than a wild guess. But fundamentalists deliberately confuse the two uses of the term in an attempt to make their religious myth appear as valid as a well-supported scientific theory.
> >
> >They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
> >
> >Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are
> >inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
> >
> >This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
> >
> >No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
> >
> >Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
> >
> >
> >Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
> >Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
> >
> >You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
> >
> >For the love of decency, just go away.
>
> the dukester, American-Satanist and all around shithead
> >
> >How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
> >
> >or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural
> >events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
> >
> >When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
> >
> >More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
> >
> >Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
> >
> >They also attempt to take advantage of public ignorance of the nature of scientific theories. In popular use, "theory" is employed as a synonym for "hypothesis," "conjecture," or even "wild guess," that is, it signifies an idea with no special merit or backing. The use of the term in science is quite different. There, "theory" refers to a well-developed, logically consistent explanation of a phenomenon, and an explanation that is consistent with observed facts. This is very different than a wild guess. But fundamentalists deliberately confuse the two uses of the term in an attempt to make their religious myth appear as valid as a well-supported scientific theory.
> >
> >They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
> >
> >Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are
> >inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
> >
> >This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
> >
> >No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
> >
> >Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
> >
> >
> >Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
> >Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
> >
> >You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
> >
> >For the love of decency, just go away.
>
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 18, 2016, 2:38:10 PM3/18/16
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:56:19 PM UTC-7, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Bull shit.
> >
> > > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > >
> > > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > >
> > > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> > >
Hitler was a Roman catholic. Stalin was also a theist. Atheism is not what caused Stalin or Mao Tse Dung to be murderous assholes.
> > > > Christianity is cruel
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> > >
> > > > Christianity depreciates the natural world
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is misogynistic
> > >
> > > Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
> >
What evidence do you have that tis is something that atheists do? None.
All of the atheists I know want women to do what fulfills them.
> > You're still listening to those voices in your idiot brain.
> >
> > >
> > >
A matter of historical and scientific fact.
Mark, the oldest of the Gospels, was written at least 30 years after Christ's death, and the newest of them might have been written more than 200 years after his death. These texts have been amended, translated, and re-translated so often that it's extremely difficult to gauge the accuracy of current editions--even aside from the matter of the accuracy of texts written decades or centuries after the death of their subject. This is such a problem that the Jesus Seminar, a colloquium of over 200 Protestant Gospel scholars mostly employed at religious colleges and seminaries, undertook in 1985 a multi-year investigation into the historicity of the statements and deeds attributed to Jesus in the New Testament. They concluded that only 18% of the statements and 16% of the deeds attributed to Jesus had a high likelihood of being historically accurate. So, in a very real sense fundamentalists--who claim to believe in the literal truth of the Bible--are not followers of Jesus Christ; rather, they are followers of those who, decades or centuries later, put words in his mouth.
> > > > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> > >
A few examples:
". . . God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
(James:1:13)
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
(Genesis 22:1)
". . . for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever."
(Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. Thus saith the Lord."
(Jeremiah 17:4)
"If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."
(John 5:31, J.C. speaking)
"I am one that bear witness of myself . . ."
(John 8:18, J.C. speaking)
and last but not least:
"I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
(Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time."
(John 1:18)
"And I [God] will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts . . ."
(Exodus 33:23)
> > >
> > > > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> > >
> > >
This is a growing list of Christian saints and which Pagan Gods and Goddesses they are based on. The material is organized by the language group of the original Pagan Gods. Often, information about Christianity is a major source of information about Pagan religions, and an understanding of the Pagan religions is quite revealing about the later monotheistic religions, too.
Festival, abbreviated f. refers to a festival for a Pagan God. These have often been "set to" an annual date, that is, treated as if they fell on a fixed day on the annual calendar, even though this was not the case in classical Greek, for example, which still ran on a lunar/solar calendar (where each month actually began on the first new moon as it was sighted). This method of organizing the information allows for an easy comparison between languages and religions. Of course, many original festivals fell according to nature. For example, the wheat was harvested whenever the wheat was ripe, which might depend on the weather, and then the people celebrated the wheat harvest at the next full moon, more or less. For the purpose of comparing calendars, full moons are treated as if they always fell on the 15th of the month, new moons as if they always fell on the first of the month.
Feast Day, abbreviated fd. stands for the feast day for saints (with various differences between orthodox and catholic annual calendars, Julian and Gregorian calendars, implementation by various countries, etc.). Feast days are essential for identifying the Christian saints because there are so many of them and they are often so undifferentiated, that this serves as a convenient method of keeping them straight. Dates are given in the American way, month/day (sorry! rest of the world).
Greek Goddesses who became Christian saints:
Many Greek Goddesses became Christian saints but if they were powerful in Greek Pagan religion they were either reduced to rape victims or repentant prostitutes or they had to change gender and become male warrior saints.
Demeter is a Goddess of many festivals but most important, the Thesmophoria, which fell in late October. She became St. Demetrios, a masculine warrior saint, whose fd. is 10/26.
Aphrodite became St. Aphrodite, of which there are several, all with saints' tales that tell how she became a "repentant whore."
Saint Nicks for sale The Greek Goddess Nike was picked up as Saint Nicholas, who was extremely popular wherever shipping was important. He is the patron saint of Russia, Holland and Germany, all on the Baltic or northern Sea coasts.
Roman Gods who became Catholic saints
Many Catholic Saints are "votive saints", that is, their names were were copied off votive offerings for Pagan Gods, especially altars and statues which were still standing in Rome in the fourth century CE.
The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military campaigning season in Roman times), the major festival for him in Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras "Great Mars."
The Roman God Quirinus became St. Cyrinus, of which there are various "equestrian warrior saints" such as St. Cyr in France, and St. Quirina, mother of St. Lawrence. The element quir- means (or was understood to mean) 'horse.' These saints were very popular and widely worshiped in the Middle-Ages, in France, Holland and also eastern Christian countries.
The Roman gods known as the Lares became St. Lawrence, esp. St. Lawrence beyond-the-wall. The Lares were field Gods who protected the grain growing in the fields. In Italian, he became St. Lorenzo beyond the Walls, meaning outside of the walls of the city, for which there is still a church in Rome, with many "daughter" churches which developed from it.
The Roman Goddess Venus became St. Venera (with a feminized ending to her name since -us looks like a masculine ending in Latin). She had a major church in Rome in early Christian times, but that didn't last long.
The Roman Gods known as the Gemini, who were protectors of sailors in Roman Pagan times, became the Sanctos Geminos, with a number of forms in the various Christian religions. Santiago de Compostela, (St. James in English) became the protector of pilgrims during the Middle Ages. Forms of St. James all seem to be christianized from various forms of the Proto-Indo-European God *Yama. This God was repeatedly christianized in most of the Indo-European language groups.
Not all Christian saints came from Roman and Greek Pagan deities. Ahura Mazda, a major God in Zoroastrian religion became Ador Ormazd (Saint Ahura Mazda) in the early Syriac Christian church. [fuggle26]
Not all Pagan saints are even based on Pagan Gods. Some are based on Pagan holidays. For example the Roman festival of Caro Patri ("Dear Parents" a festival to remember one's ancestors) in the Roman Pagan calendar of Philocalus became the festival of St. Peter's Chair in the Roman Catholic Martyrology or saints' calendar. This was one of the sources that contributed to the character of Saint Peter, who became one of the most important saints in the Roman Catholic Church, since he is the source of their theological claim for apostolic succession.
Some saints are "archaeological" saints, that is, they are based on archaeological monuments or finds. St. George is of this type; the image of him killing a dragon is based on sculptures put up by the Romans to threaten barbarians in eastern Europe. The iconography then spawned stories of him killing a dragon.
References
The most widely used book of saints in the west is the Golden Legend, but I could not find any convenient place where there was a list of which Pagan Gods became saints, so I will just be adding them in here.
This page used to be at pierce.yolasite.com/pagansaints but Yola went out of business. The page has now been moved here and it has been updated to remove defective code that was added by the administrators at Yola who hoped to prevent you from seeing the link to the Santiago de Compostela page.
(c) 2007, last updated 2/9/2012, piereligion.org/pagansaints.html
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > >
> > > > Table of Contents
> > > >
> > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > >
> > > > Table of Contents
> > > >
> > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > >
> > >
> > > Christianity is based on life.
> >
> > Nope, it's anti-life.
>
>
> once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
>
I always speak the truth. I have no reason to lie. The only time it is correct to lie is when you are protecting yourself or someone else from unwarranted harm. For instance, if you lied to the Gestapo about there being any Jews in your house in order to protect them from a concentration camp and death.
> >
> > Nope, it's anti-life.
>
>
> once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
>
>
> >
> > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> >
> >
> > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> >
> > Nonsense, atheism doesn't say a damned thing about fear, theists rely on the fear tactic, and that's a fact.
>
> sure it does. it's all about fear. that's why death education was introduced by humanists.
>
Not sure what you mean by death education, but I'm going to assume it means teaching students about death and how to deal with it, be it a loved one or a friend. Still has nothing to do with atheism.
>
> sure it does. it's all about fear. that's why death education was introduced by humanists.
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity preys on the innocent
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity preys on the innocent
> > >
> > > Christianity appeals to the intellect.
> >
> > LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
>
>
> you've been in that roach motel for much too long. You need to get intellectual.
>
> >
> >
> > LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
>
>
> you've been in that roach motel for much too long. You need to get intellectual.
>
> >
> > > Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
> >
> >
> > What utter fucking nonsense!
>
> it's a fact.
>
For which as usual, you have no evidence.
>
> it's a fact.
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > >
> > > Christianity is about truth.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Bull shit.
> >
> > > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > >
> > > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
> >
> >
> > That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > >
> > >
> > > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
> > >
As long as they don't ask uncomfortable questions.
> > >
> > > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > >
> > > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> > >
> > > > Christianity is cruel
> > >
> > > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
> >
> >
> > You're an idiot.
>
> more of your emoting.
>
More of you lies.
>
> more of your emoting.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> > >
> > > Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
> >
> > Yep, you are an idiot.
>
> Just more of your emoting.
>
Christianity has 'ALLOWED" what we see today? Allowed? What we see today is in spite of Christianity, not because of it. When Christianity ruled, the only thing it allowed was misery and death for most people.
> >
> > Yep, you are an idiot.
>
> Just more of your emoting.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> > >
> > > Who brings it up all the time, here?
> >
> >
> > Theists.
>
>
> I don't bring it up. ye atheists bring it up.
>
>
To show what a fucked up concept Christianity has about it.
>
>
> I don't bring it up. ye atheists bring it up.
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity produces sexual misery
> > >
> > > StD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity produces sexual misery
> > >
> > > StD
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> > >
> > >
> > > It's about upholding the standard, and mercy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > More Bull Shit.
>
>
> never read a Bible, I see, much less heard a sermon.
>
I've done both more times that I can count. Even better I have watched the disconnect between the sermons and the deeds.
>
>
> never read a Bible, I see, much less heard a sermon.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> > >
> > > Every evil atheists expect Christians to obey, involves a tax that will enrich those who tax it.
> > >
Blank assertion. Citation needed.
> > >
> > > > Christianity depreciates the natural world
> > >
> > > Atheists use the natural world to trick people into thinking they're out to save the world, and then when nobody is looking the land that was confiscated from ranchers becomes Chinese solar farms and pay-offs to politicians.
> >
> >
> > More bull shit from the voices in your idiot head.
>
> Just an on-going fact.
>
Which atheists would be involved in the one issue you mention and what evidence do you have that it was because of atheism? None.
>
> Just an on-going fact.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> > >
> > > That's not the structure that most protestant churches take.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity sanctions slavery
> > >
> > > Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
Some did, some made a fortune at it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christianity sanctions slavery
> > >
> > > Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
> > >
> > > > Christianity is misogynistic
> > >
> > > Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
> >
All of the atheists I know want women to do what fulfills them.
> > You're still listening to those voices in your idiot brain.
> >
> > >
> > > > Christianity is homophobic
> > >
> > > There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
> >
> > >
> > > There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
> >
> > So you agree, it's homophobic.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> > >
> > > Just your opinion.
> > >
> > >
A matter of historical and scientific fact.
Mark, the oldest of the Gospels, was written at least 30 years after Christ's death, and the newest of them might have been written more than 200 years after his death. These texts have been amended, translated, and re-translated so often that it's extremely difficult to gauge the accuracy of current editions--even aside from the matter of the accuracy of texts written decades or centuries after the death of their subject. This is such a problem that the Jesus Seminar, a colloquium of over 200 Protestant Gospel scholars mostly employed at religious colleges and seminaries, undertook in 1985 a multi-year investigation into the historicity of the statements and deeds attributed to Jesus in the New Testament. They concluded that only 18% of the statements and 16% of the deeds attributed to Jesus had a high likelihood of being historically accurate. So, in a very real sense fundamentalists--who claim to believe in the literal truth of the Bible--are not followers of Jesus Christ; rather, they are followers of those who, decades or centuries later, put words in his mouth.
> > > > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> > >
> > > Just your opinion.
> >
> > Nope, it's a fact.
>
> just your opinion.
>
Still a fact.
> >
> > Nope, it's a fact.
>
> just your opinion.
>
A few examples:
". . . God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
(James:1:13)
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
(Genesis 22:1)
". . . for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever."
(Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. Thus saith the Lord."
(Jeremiah 17:4)
"If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."
(John 5:31, J.C. speaking)
"I am one that bear witness of myself . . ."
(John 8:18, J.C. speaking)
and last but not least:
"I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
(Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time."
(John 1:18)
"And I [God] will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts . . ."
(Exodus 33:23)
> > >
> > > > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> > >
> > >
> > > Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
> > >
Nobody is removing the differences, we're just pointing out the similarities.
> > >
> >
> > Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
>
> no they're not. you plagiarized that idea from someone who got it from someone who made it up.
http://piereligion.org/pagansaints.html
> > Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
>
> no they're not. you plagiarized that idea from someone who got it from someone who made it up.
This is a growing list of Christian saints and which Pagan Gods and Goddesses they are based on. The material is organized by the language group of the original Pagan Gods. Often, information about Christianity is a major source of information about Pagan religions, and an understanding of the Pagan religions is quite revealing about the later monotheistic religions, too.
Festival, abbreviated f. refers to a festival for a Pagan God. These have often been "set to" an annual date, that is, treated as if they fell on a fixed day on the annual calendar, even though this was not the case in classical Greek, for example, which still ran on a lunar/solar calendar (where each month actually began on the first new moon as it was sighted). This method of organizing the information allows for an easy comparison between languages and religions. Of course, many original festivals fell according to nature. For example, the wheat was harvested whenever the wheat was ripe, which might depend on the weather, and then the people celebrated the wheat harvest at the next full moon, more or less. For the purpose of comparing calendars, full moons are treated as if they always fell on the 15th of the month, new moons as if they always fell on the first of the month.
Feast Day, abbreviated fd. stands for the feast day for saints (with various differences between orthodox and catholic annual calendars, Julian and Gregorian calendars, implementation by various countries, etc.). Feast days are essential for identifying the Christian saints because there are so many of them and they are often so undifferentiated, that this serves as a convenient method of keeping them straight. Dates are given in the American way, month/day (sorry! rest of the world).
Greek Goddesses who became Christian saints:
Many Greek Goddesses became Christian saints but if they were powerful in Greek Pagan religion they were either reduced to rape victims or repentant prostitutes or they had to change gender and become male warrior saints.
Demeter is a Goddess of many festivals but most important, the Thesmophoria, which fell in late October. She became St. Demetrios, a masculine warrior saint, whose fd. is 10/26.
Aphrodite became St. Aphrodite, of which there are several, all with saints' tales that tell how she became a "repentant whore."
Saint Nicks for sale The Greek Goddess Nike was picked up as Saint Nicholas, who was extremely popular wherever shipping was important. He is the patron saint of Russia, Holland and Germany, all on the Baltic or northern Sea coasts.
Roman Gods who became Catholic saints
Many Catholic Saints are "votive saints", that is, their names were were copied off votive offerings for Pagan Gods, especially altars and statues which were still standing in Rome in the fourth century CE.
The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military campaigning season in Roman times), the major festival for him in Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras "Great Mars."
The Roman God Quirinus became St. Cyrinus, of which there are various "equestrian warrior saints" such as St. Cyr in France, and St. Quirina, mother of St. Lawrence. The element quir- means (or was understood to mean) 'horse.' These saints were very popular and widely worshiped in the Middle-Ages, in France, Holland and also eastern Christian countries.
The Roman gods known as the Lares became St. Lawrence, esp. St. Lawrence beyond-the-wall. The Lares were field Gods who protected the grain growing in the fields. In Italian, he became St. Lorenzo beyond the Walls, meaning outside of the walls of the city, for which there is still a church in Rome, with many "daughter" churches which developed from it.
The Roman Goddess Venus became St. Venera (with a feminized ending to her name since -us looks like a masculine ending in Latin). She had a major church in Rome in early Christian times, but that didn't last long.
The Roman Gods known as the Gemini, who were protectors of sailors in Roman Pagan times, became the Sanctos Geminos, with a number of forms in the various Christian religions. Santiago de Compostela, (St. James in English) became the protector of pilgrims during the Middle Ages. Forms of St. James all seem to be christianized from various forms of the Proto-Indo-European God *Yama. This God was repeatedly christianized in most of the Indo-European language groups.
Not all Christian saints came from Roman and Greek Pagan deities. Ahura Mazda, a major God in Zoroastrian religion became Ador Ormazd (Saint Ahura Mazda) in the early Syriac Christian church. [fuggle26]
Not all Pagan saints are even based on Pagan Gods. Some are based on Pagan holidays. For example the Roman festival of Caro Patri ("Dear Parents" a festival to remember one's ancestors) in the Roman Pagan calendar of Philocalus became the festival of St. Peter's Chair in the Roman Catholic Martyrology or saints' calendar. This was one of the sources that contributed to the character of Saint Peter, who became one of the most important saints in the Roman Catholic Church, since he is the source of their theological claim for apostolic succession.
Some saints are "archaeological" saints, that is, they are based on archaeological monuments or finds. St. George is of this type; the image of him killing a dragon is based on sculptures put up by the Romans to threaten barbarians in eastern Europe. The iconography then spawned stories of him killing a dragon.
References
The most widely used book of saints in the west is the Golden Legend, but I could not find any convenient place where there was a list of which Pagan Gods became saints, so I will just be adding them in here.
This page used to be at pierce.yolasite.com/pagansaints but Yola went out of business. The page has now been moved here and it has been updated to remove defective code that was added by the administrators at Yola who hoped to prevent you from seeing the link to the Santiago de Compostela page.
(c) 2007, last updated 2/9/2012, piereligion.org/pagansaints.html
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 18, 2016, 2:51:07 PM3/18/16
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On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 11:40:04 PM UTC-7, rantingri...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 4:35:04 AM UTC-5, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > Thank you very much. I do hope you don't think it was an
> > original from my own head. I don't want to take credit
> > for someone else's work.
>
> Actually i was not sure, but even if it was not your words,
> i still thank you for bringing it here so we could all enjoy
> the truths contain within.
>
Thank you very much. I find to be partly fun and partly educational, for me at least, I always wind up learning something new.
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 4:35:04 AM UTC-5, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > Thank you very much. I do hope you don't think it was an
> > original from my own head. I don't want to take credit
> > for someone else's work.
>
> Actually i was not sure, but even if it was not your words,
> i still thank you for bringing it here so we could all enjoy
> the truths contain within.
>
> > > They may not be an intelligent lot, but they sure know how
> > > to use violence to achieve an end!
> > >
> > But Jesus is all about love.
>
> Hey, I've heard that old joke before!
>
> > > How can the enlightened be expected to live in harmony, when
> > > we are scattered amougst masses of emotional savages, who's
> > > ultimate dream would be to destroy us? We must join
> > > together, and wash this filthy dirt from our "evolutionary
> > > feet" once and for all. And not even for the sake of us, but
> > > for the sake of future generations.
> >
> > It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't feel they have to
> > convert everybody. If people would just respect that
> > different people have different beliefs, and let it go at
> > that, things would run much smoother.
>
> No doubt about that!
>
> > > How much longer can the animosity exist between these two
> > > diametrically opposed groups build before all out war is
> > > waged? Of course, the easiest path, is to remove ourselves
> > > from this earth, and let the savages *ROT*.
> >
> > Or go on strike as in Atlas Shrugged, a tedious but
> > nonetheless interesting book.
>
> You know, I've never read the book. Actually, i've never
> read *ANY* fiction book, including sci-fiction! Neither was
> I ever interested in comic books, fantasy, or any of that.
There are several non-fiction books by Rand. They often include passages from her fiction where she incorporated specific ideas from her philosophy.
> No, it seems i'm obsessed with reality! People are always
> encouraging me to read fiction, but, i just don't enjoy it.
> Which i'll admit it's very strange, because i've always had a
> highly active imagination, so it would seem as though the
> "imaginative world" of story telling would be of interest to
> me, but nope, it isn't. Of course, i'm aware that the book
> is based on Rand's philosophy, but that doesn't help to
> pique my interest in anyway whatsoever -- I'm convinced that
> something must be terribly wrong with me! :-)
>
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 18, 2016, 2:52:08 PM3/18/16
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Smiler
Mar 18, 2016, 4:39:11 PM3/18/16
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:38:01 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
<snip>
> The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
> became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the
> month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
> campaigning season in Roman times),
Hence, Mars was also the Roman god of war.
> the major festival for him in
> Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras "Great
> Mars."
I have to disagree with you there. Mardi Gras translates to Grease Tuesday
or Fat Tuesday, what we call Shrove Tuesday in the UK. There's no "great"
there. That it falls on a Tuesday (Mardi in French) is the coincidence
that it is the day before the 40 days of Lent. The following day is Ash
Wednesday and has nothing to do with Wodin, either.
<snip>
> The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
> became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the
> month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
> campaigning season in Roman times),
> the major festival for him in
> Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras "Great
> Mars."
or Fat Tuesday, what we call Shrove Tuesday in the UK. There's no "great"
there. That it falls on a Tuesday (Mardi in French) is the coincidence
that it is the day before the 40 days of Lent. The following day is Ash
Wednesday and has nothing to do with Wodin, either.
%
Mar 18, 2016, 4:45:15 PM3/18/16
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Smiler wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:38:01 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
>> became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is
>> the month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
>> campaigning season in Roman times),
>
> Hence, Mars was also the Roman god of war.
>
>> the major festival for him in
>> Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras
>> "Great Mars."
>
> I have to disagree with you there. Mardi Gras translates to Grease
> Tuesday or Fat Tuesday, what we call Shrove Tuesday in the UK.
> There's no "great" there. That it falls on a Tuesday (Mardi in
> French) is the coincidence that it is the day before the 40 days of
> Lent. The following day is Ash Wednesday and has nothing to do with
> Wodin, either.
Mardi Gras, also called Shrove Tuesday,
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:38:01 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
>> became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is
>> the month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
>> campaigning season in Roman times),
>
> Hence, Mars was also the Roman god of war.
>
>> the major festival for him in
>> Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras
>> "Great Mars."
>
> I have to disagree with you there. Mardi Gras translates to Grease
> Tuesday or Fat Tuesday, what we call Shrove Tuesday in the UK.
> There's no "great" there. That it falls on a Tuesday (Mardi in
> French) is the coincidence that it is the day before the 40 days of
> Lent. The following day is Ash Wednesday and has nothing to do with
> Wodin, either.
Traditions
Popular practices on Mardi Gras include wearing masks and costumes,
overturning social conventions, dancing, sports competitions, parades,
debauchery, etc. Similar expressions to Mardi Gras appear in other European
languages sharing the Christian tradition, as it is associated with the
religious requirement for confession before Lent begins.
In many areas, the term "Mardi Gras" has come to mean the whole period of
activity related to the celebratory events, beyond just the single day. In
some American cities, it is now called "Mardi Gras Day".
The festival season varies from city to city, as some traditions, such as
the one in New Orleans, Louisiana, consider Mardi Gras to stretch the entire
period from Twelfth Night to Ash Wednesday. Others treat the final
three-day period before Ash Wednesday as the Mardi Gras. In Mobile, Alabama,
Mardi Gras-associated social events begin in November, followed by mystic
society balls on Thanksgiving, then New Year's Eve, followed by parades and
balls in January and February, celebrating up to midnight before Ash
Wednesday. In earlier times, parades were held on New Year's Day.
Germany
The celebration on the same day in Germany knows many different terms, such
as Schmutziger Donnerstag or Fetter Donnerstag, Unsinniger Donnerstag,
Weiberfastnacht, Greesentag and others, and are often only one part of the
whole carnival events during one or even two weeks before Ash Wednesday be
called Karneval, Fasching, or Fastnacht among others, depending on the
region. In Standard German, schmutzig means "dirty", but in the Alemannic
dialects schmotzig means "lard", or "fat"; "Greasy Thursday", as remaining
winter stores of lard and butter used to be consumed at that time, before
the fasting began. Fastnacht means "Eve of the Fast", but all three terms
cover the whole carnival season. The traditional start of the carnival
season is on November 11 at 11:11am .
Italy
In Italy Mardi Gras is called Martedì Grasso . It's the main day of Carnival
along with the Thursday before, called Giovedí Grasso, which ratifies the
start of the celebrations. The most famous Carnivals in Italy are in Venice,
Viareggio and Ivrea. Ivrea has the characteristic "Battle of Oranges" that
finds its roots in medieval times. The Italian version of the festival is
spelled Carnevale.
Netherlands
The Netherlands also has a festival similar to Mardi Gras. It's called
Carnaval and is similar to the Venice Carnival. The origin of the word
Carnaval is 'carnem levare' which means "to take away meat" in Latin. It
marks the beginning of lent leading up to Easter.
The carnival in the Netherlands is mainly held in the southern part of the
Netherlands in the provinces of Noord-Brabant and Limburg, some parts of
Zeeland and in eastern parts of Twente and Gelderland. As with many popular
festivals, people tend to loosen some moral codes and become laid-back or
loose, which is based in the ancient role-reversal origins of Carnaval,
including dressing in costumes.
Sweden
In Sweden the celebration is called Fettisdagen, when you eat fastlagsbulle,
more commonly called Semla. The name comes from the words "fett" and
"tisdag" . Originally, this was the only day one should eat fastlagsbullar.
United States
While not observed nationally throughout the United States, a number of
traditionally ethnic French cities and regions in the country have notable
celebrations. Mardi Gras arrived in North America as a French Catholic
tradition with the Le Moyne brothers, Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville and
Jean-Baptiste Le Moyne de Bienville, in the late 17th century, when King
Louis XIV sent the pair to defend France's claim on the territory of
Louisiane, which included what are now the U.S. states of Alabama,
Mississippi, Louisiana and part of eastern Texas. In 1703 French settlers in
Mobile established the first organized Mardi Gras celebration tradition in
what was to become the United States. The first informal mystic society, or
krewe, was formed in Mobile in 1711, the Boeuf Gras Society.
The American rock band Creedence Clearwater Revival created an album in 1972
called Mardi Gras
Smiler
Mar 18, 2016, 4:46:11 PM3/18/16
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:28:21 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:36:38 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
<snip>
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:36:38 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
>> When you get down to the basics, most religions are the same.
>
> Why do they all use different books?
So the Torah isn't very similar to the OT and also the Koran isn't a
> Why do they all use different books?
version of it too?
So much for your 'different books'.
Christopher A. Lee
Mar 18, 2016, 5:36:56 PM3/18/16
to
On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 20:39:05 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smi...@jo.king>
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:38:01 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
>> became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the
>> month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
>> campaigning season in Roman times),
>
>Hence, Mars was also the Roman god of war.
>
>> the major festival for him in
>> Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras "Great
>> Mars."
>
>I have to disagree with you there. Mardi Gras translates to Grease Tuesday
>or Fat Tuesday, what we call Shrove Tuesday in the UK. There's no "great"
>there. That it falls on a Tuesday (Mardi in French) is the coincidence
>that it is the day before the 40 days of Lent. The following day is Ash
>Wednesday and has nothing to do with Wodin, either.
It's also "carne vale" (Latin for "farewell to meat") or carnival,
Lent (the "season") is pre-Christian and is the time when food put by
for winter was running low. With Christianity, they made the last day
before Lent a feast.
The word "Lent" actually comes from an old English word meaning
"spring".
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:38:01 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
>> became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the
>> month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
>> campaigning season in Roman times),
>
>Hence, Mars was also the Roman god of war.
>
>> the major festival for him in
>> Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras "Great
>> Mars."
>
>I have to disagree with you there. Mardi Gras translates to Grease Tuesday
>or Fat Tuesday, what we call Shrove Tuesday in the UK. There's no "great"
>there. That it falls on a Tuesday (Mardi in French) is the coincidence
>that it is the day before the 40 days of Lent. The following day is Ash
>Wednesday and has nothing to do with Wodin, either.
Lent (the "season") is pre-Christian and is the time when food put by
for winter was running low. With Christianity, they made the last day
before Lent a feast.
The word "Lent" actually comes from an old English word meaning
"spring".
Jeanne Douglas
Mar 18, 2016, 8:35:53 PM3/18/16
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In article <4b4c632c-1d7b-40ac...@googlegroups.com>,
> We are the ones supposed to be inheritors of
> the Romans, which qualification as Saint Paul said is not based on race or
> the color of your skin.
> "There is no longer Blacks, nor Whites; Circumcised or uncircumcised..."
> Saint Paul.
--
JD
"If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to
your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake
the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
WeHang FagZ <maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:29:28 AM UTC-4, hypatiab7 wrote:
>
> >
> > Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
> > in the past.
> > It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
>
>
> So why do you use our Alphabets?
What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:29:28 AM UTC-4, hypatiab7 wrote:
>
> >
> > Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
> > in the past.
> > It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
>
>
> So why do you use our Alphabets?
> We are the ones supposed to be inheritors of
> the Romans, which qualification as Saint Paul said is not based on race or
> the color of your skin.
> "There is no longer Blacks, nor Whites; Circumcised or uncircumcised..."
> Saint Paul.
JD
"If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to
your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake
the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
Jeanne Douglas
Mar 18, 2016, 8:47:29 PM3/18/16
to
In article <67soeb5s1a2e3k0o3...@4ax.com>,
> Lent (the "season") is pre-Christian and is the time when food put by
> for winter was running low. With Christianity, they made the last day
> before Lent a feast.
>
> The word "Lent" actually comes from an old English word meaning
> "spring".
Christopher A. Lee <c....@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 20:39:05 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smi...@jo.king>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:38:01 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
> >> became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the
> >> month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
> >> campaigning season in Roman times),
> >
> >Hence, Mars was also the Roman god of war.
> >
> >> the major festival for him in
> >> Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras "Great
> >> Mars."
> >
> >I have to disagree with you there. Mardi Gras translates to Grease Tuesday
> >or Fat Tuesday, what we call Shrove Tuesday in the UK. There's no "great"
> >there. That it falls on a Tuesday (Mardi in French) is the coincidence
> >that it is the day before the 40 days of Lent. The following day is Ash
> >Wednesday and has nothing to do with Wodin, either.
>
> It's also "carne vale" (Latin for "farewell to meat") or carnival,
Oh, cool. I didn't know that.
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 20:39:05 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smi...@jo.king>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:38:01 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
> >> became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the
> >> month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
> >> campaigning season in Roman times),
> >
> >Hence, Mars was also the Roman god of war.
> >
> >> the major festival for him in
> >> Christian times now usually falls in February, called Mardi Gras "Great
> >> Mars."
> >
> >I have to disagree with you there. Mardi Gras translates to Grease Tuesday
> >or Fat Tuesday, what we call Shrove Tuesday in the UK. There's no "great"
> >there. That it falls on a Tuesday (Mardi in French) is the coincidence
> >that it is the day before the 40 days of Lent. The following day is Ash
> >Wednesday and has nothing to do with Wodin, either.
>
> It's also "carne vale" (Latin for "farewell to meat") or carnival,
> Lent (the "season") is pre-Christian and is the time when food put by
> for winter was running low. With Christianity, they made the last day
> before Lent a feast.
>
> The word "Lent" actually comes from an old English word meaning
> "spring".
Astero...@yahoo.com
Mar 18, 2016, 9:50:30 PM3/18/16
to
On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:52:00 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:56:19 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Table of Contents
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > > >
> > > > Christianity is based on life.
> > >
> > > Nope, it's anti-life.
> >
> >
> > once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
>
> Every time anyone defeats you arguments, you get all emotional and accuse
> people of feeling the way you do. Is it time for you to have another breakdown?
>
>
> > > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
>
> Fear has nothing to do with atheism. It is a release from religious fears.
atheism is fear, fear of death. that's all you're left with. it follows logically.
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:56:19 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Table of Contents
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > > >
> > > > Christianity is based on life.
> > >
> > > Nope, it's anti-life.
> >
> >
> > once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
>
> Every time anyone defeats you arguments, you get all emotional and accuse
> people of feeling the way you do. Is it time for you to have another breakdown?
>
>
> > > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
>
> Fear has nothing to do with atheism. It is a release from religious fears.
> You constantly accuse atheists of feeling the same fears Christians feel 24 hours per day. Poor scaredy-cat Johnboi. You scream your own fear every time
Joe Bruno
Mar 18, 2016, 10:52:50 PM3/18/16
to
On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:46:11 PM UTC-7, Smiler wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:28:21 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
> > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:36:38 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> When you get down to the basics, most religions are the same.
> >
> > Why do they all use different books?
>
> So the Torah isn't very similar to the OT and also the Koran isn't a
> version of it too?
> So much for your 'different books'.
>
The Torah is part of the OT.
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:28:21 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
> > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:36:38 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> When you get down to the basics, most religions are the same.
> >
> > Why do they all use different books?
>
> So the Torah isn't very similar to the OT and also the Koran isn't a
> version of it too?
> So much for your 'different books'.
>
Obviously, you never read it or the Koran.
%
Mar 18, 2016, 11:03:35 PM3/18/16
to
Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:46:11 PM UTC-7, Smiler wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:28:21 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:36:38 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> When you get down to the basics, most religions are the same.
>>>
>>> Why do they all use different books?
>>
>> So the Torah isn't very similar to the OT and also the Koran isn't a
>> version of it too?
>> So much for your 'different books'.
>>
> The Torah is part of the OT.
> Obviously, you never read it or the Koran.
The Torah, or the Pentateuch, is the central reference of the religious
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:46:11 PM UTC-7, Smiler wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:28:21 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:36:38 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> When you get down to the basics, most religions are the same.
>>>
>>> Why do they all use different books?
>>
>> So the Torah isn't very similar to the OT and also the Koran isn't a
>> version of it too?
>> So much for your 'different books'.
>>
> The Torah is part of the OT.
> Obviously, you never read it or the Koran.
Judaic tradition. It has a range of meanings. It can most specifically mean
the first five books of the twenty-four books of the Tanakh, and it usually
includes the rabbinic commentaries. The term Torah means instruction and
offers a way of life for those who follow it; it can mean the continued
narrative from Genesis to the end of the Tanakh, and it can even mean the
totality of Jewish teaching, culture and practice. Common to all these
meanings, Torah consists of the foundational narrative of the Jews: their
call into being by God, their trials and tribulations, and their covenant
with their God, which involves following a way of life embodied in a set of
moral and religious obligations and civil laws .
In rabbinic literature the word "Torah" denotes both the five books, Torah
Shebichtav, and an Oral Torah, Torah Shebe'al Peh . The Oral Torah consists
of interpretations and amplifications which according to rabbinic tradition
have been handed down from generation to generation and are now embodied in
the Talmud and Midrash.
According to rabbinic tradition, all of the teachings found in the Torah,
both written and oral, were given by God through Moses, a prophet, some of
them at Mount Sinai and others at the Tabernacle, and all the teachings were
written down by Moses, which resulted in the Torah we have today. According
to a Midrash, the Torah was created prior to the creation of the world, and
was used as the blueprint for Creation. The majority of Biblical scholars
believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian exilic
period, based on earlier written and oral traditions, and that it was
completed by the Persian period . However, it is worth noting that the 2004
discovery of fragments of the Hebrew Bible at Ketef Hinnom dating to the 7th
century BCE, and thus to before the Babylonian captivity, suggests that at
least some elements of the Torah were current before the Babylonian exile.
Traditionally, the words of the Torah are written on a scroll by a sofer on
parchment in Hebrew. A Torah portion is read publicly at least once every
three days, in the halachically prescribed tune, in the presence of a
congregation. Reading the Torah publicly is one of the bases for Jewish
communal life.
Meaning and names
The word "Torah" in Hebrew is derived from the root ירה, which in the hif'il
conjugation means "to guide/teach" . The meaning of the word is therefore
"teaching", "doctrine", or "instruction"; the commonly accepted "law" gives
a wrong impression. Other translational contexts in the English language
include custom, theory, guidance, or system.
The term "Torah" is used in the general sense to include both Rabbinic
Judaism's written law and oral law, serving to encompass the entire spectrum
of authoritative Jewish religious teachings throughout history, including
the Mishnah, the Talmud, the Midrash and more, and the inaccurate rendering
of "Torah" as "Law" may be an obstacle to understanding the ideal that is
summed up in the term talmud torah .
Alternative names
Christian scholars usually refer to the first five books of the Hebrew Bible
as the "Pentateuch", a term first used in the Hellenistic Judaism of
Alexandria, meaning five books, or as the Law, or Law of Moses.
Contents
The Torah starts from the beginning of God's creating the world, through the
beginnings of the people of Israel, their descent into Egypt, and the giving
of the Torah at Mt. Sinai. It ends with the death of Moses, just before the
people of Israel cross to the promised land of Canaan. Interspersed in the
narrative are the specific teachings given explicitly or implicitly
embedded in the narrative .
The Hebrew names for the books of the Torah are derived from their
respective incipits; the common English names for the books are derived from
the Greek Septuagint and reflect the essential theme of each book:
Genesis: "origin"
Exodus: "going out"
Leviticus: "relating to the Levites"
Numbers: numbering of the Israelites
Deuteronomy: "second law"
Genesis
Genesis begins with the so-called "primeval history", the story of the
world's beginnings and the descent from Adam. This is followed by the story
of the three patriarchs, Joseph and the four matriarchs . God gives to the
patriarchs a promise of the land of Canaan, but at the end of Genesis the
sons of Jacob end up leaving Canaan for Egypt due to a regional famine. They
had heard that there was a grain storage and distribution facility in Egypt.
Exodus
Exodus begins the story of God's revelation to his people of Israel through
Moses, who leads them out of Egypt to Mount Sinai. There the people accept
the covenant with God, agreeing to be his people and abide by his holy Law,
in return for his agreeing to be their God, and protect and defend them from
their enemies, and provide for and prosper them . Moses receives the Torah
from God, and teaches His laws and Covenant to the people of Israel. It
also talks about the first violation of the covenant when the Golden Calf
was constructed . Exodus includes the instructions on building the
Tabernacle and concludes with its actual construction .
Leviticus
Leviticus begins with instructions to the Israelites on how to use the
Tabernacle, which they had just built . This is followed by rules of clean
and unclean, which includes the laws of slaughter and animals permissible to
eat, the Day of Atonement, and various moral and ritual laws sometimes
called the Holiness Code . Leviticus 26 provides a detailed list of rewards
for following God's commandments and a detailed list of punishments for not
following them.
Numbers
Numbers tells how Israel consolidated itself as a community at Sinai, set
out from Sinai to move towards Canaan and spied out the land . Because of
unbelief at various points, but especially at Kadesh Barnea, the Israelites
were condemned to wander for forty years in the desert in the vicinity of
Kadesh instead of immediately entering the Promised Land. Even Moses sins
and is told he would not live to enter the land . At the end of Numbers
Israel moves from Kadesh to the plains of Moab opposite Jericho, ready to
enter the Promised Land.
Deuteronomy
Deuteronomy is a series of speeches by Moses on the plains of Moab opposite
Jericho. Also referred to as Mishneh Torah in Hebrew the essential gist of
the entire book is a rebuke to the Children of Israel to not worship
idolatry, to not follow in the ways of Cana'an, and to cleave to God. Moses
proclaims the Law, gives instruction concerning covenant renewal at Shechem
and gives Israel new laws . At the end of the book Moses is allowed to see
the promised land from a mountain, and then dies. The text emphasises that
no one knows where Moses was finally buried . Knowing that he was nearing
the end of his life, Moses had appointed Joshua his successor, bequeathing
to him the mantle of leadership. Soon afterwards Israel begins the conquest
of Canaan.
Authorship
Jewish tradition as expressed in the commentary of Rashi, Deuteronomy 34:5
states: The Talmud holds that the Torah was written by Moses, with the
exception of the last eight verses of Deuteronomy, being written by Joshua
describing his death and burial. Alternatively, Rashi quotes from the Talmud
that "God spoke them, and Moses wrote them with tears. The Mishnah includes
the divine origin of the Torah as an essential tenet of Judaism. The modern
scholarly consensus is that the Torah has multiple authors, known as the
Documentary hypothesis, and that its composition took place over centuries.
This contemporary common hypothesis among biblical scholars states that the
first major comprehensive draft of the Pentateuch was composed in the late
7th or the 6th century BC, and that this was later expanded by the addition
of various narratives and laws into a work very like the one existing
today.
"The consensus of scholarship is that the stories are taken from four
different written sources and that these were brought together over the
course of time to form the first five books of the Bible as a composite
work. The sources are known as J, the Jahwist source, E, the Elohist source,
P, the priestly source, and D, the Deuteronomist source. ... Thus the
Pentateuch comprises material taken from six centuries of human history,
which has been put together to give a comprehensive picture of the creation
of the world and of God's dealings with his peoples, specifically with the
people of Israel." .
Torah and Judaism
Rabbinic writings offer various ideas on when the Torah was composed. The
revelation to Moses at Mount Sinai is considered by most to be the
revelatory event. According to the tradition of the Orthodox rabbis, this
occurred in 1312 BCE;.
The Talmud presents two opinions as to how exactly the Torah was written
down by Moses. One opinion holds that it was written by Moses gradually as
it was dictated to him, and finished it close to his death, and the other
opinion holds that Moses wrote the complete Torah in one writing close to
his death, based on what was dictated to him over the years.
The Talmud says that the last eight verses of the Torah that discuss the
death and burial of Moses could not have been written by Moses, as writing
it would have been a lie, and that they were written after his death by
Joshua. Abraham ibn Ezra and Joseph Bonfils observed that phrases in those
verses present information that people should only have known after the time
of Moses. Ibn Ezra hinted, and Bonfils explicitly stated, that Joshua wrote
these verses many years after the death of Moses. Other commentators do not
accept this position and maintain that although Moses did not write those
eight verses it was nonetheless dictated to him and that Joshua wrote it
based on instructions left by Moses, and that the Torah often describes
future events, some of which have yet to occur.
The Talmud says that God dictated four books of the Torah, but that Moses
wrote Deuteronomy in his own words .
All classical rabbinic views hold that the Torah was entirely Mosaic and of
divine origin. Present-day Reform and Liberal Jewish movements all reject
Mosaic authorship, as well as most shades of Conservative Judaism.
Ritual use
Torah reading is a Jewish religious ritual that involves the public reading
of a set of passages from a Torah scroll. The term often refers to the
entire ceremony of removing the Torah scroll from the ark, chanting the
appropriate excerpt with traditional cantillation, and returning the scroll
to the ark. It is distinct from academic Torah study.
Regular public reading of the Torah was introduced by Ezra the Scribe after
the return of the Jewish people from the Babylonian captivity, as described
in the Book of Nehemiah. In the modern era, adherents of Orthodox Judaism
practice Torah reading according to a set procedure they believe has
remained unchanged in the two thousand years since the destruction of the
Temple in Jerusalem . In the 19th and 20th centuries CE, new movements such
as Reform Judaism and Conservative Judaism have made adaptations to the
practice of Torah reading, but the basic pattern of Torah reading has
usually remained the same:
As a part of the morning prayer services on certain days of the week, fast
days and holidays, as well as part of the afternoon prayer services of
Shabbat, Yom Kippur and fast days, a section of the Pentateuch is read from
a Torah scroll. On Shabbat mornings, a weekly section is read, selected so
that the entire Pentateuch is read consecutively each year.The division of
parashot found in the modern-day Torah scrolls of all Jewish communities is
based upon the systematic list provided by Maimonides in Mishneh Torah, Laws
of Tefillin, Mezuzah and Torah Scrolls, chapter 8. Maimonides based his
division of the parashot for the Torah on the Aleppo Codex. Conservative and
Reform synagogues may read parashot on a triennial rather than annual
schedule,, On Saturday afternoons, Mondays, and Thursdays, the beginning
of the following Saturday's portion is read. On Jewish holidays, the
beginnings of each month, and fast days, special sections connected to the
day are read.
Jews observe an annual holiday, Simchat Torah, to celebrate the completion
and new start of the year's cycle of readings.
Torah scrolls are often dressed with a sash, a special Torah cover, various
ornaments and a Keter, although such customs vary among synagogues.
Congregants traditionally stand in respect when the Torah is brought out of
the ark to be read, while it is being carried, and lifted, and likewise
while it is returned to the ark, although they may sit during the reading
itself.
Biblical law
The Torah contains narratives, statements of law, and statements of ethics.
Collectively these laws, usually called biblical law or commandments, are
sometimes referred to as the Law of Moses, Mosaic Law, or Sinaitic Law.
The Oral Torah
Rabbinic tradition holds that Moses learned the whole Torah while he lived
on Mount Sinai for 40 days and nights and both the oral and the written
Torah were transmitted in parallel with each other. Where the Torah leaves
words and concepts undefined, and mentions procedures without explanation or
instructions, the reader is required to seek out the missing details from
supplemental sources known as the oral law or oral Torah. Some of the
Torah's most prominent commandments needing further explanation are:
Tefillin: As indicated in Deuteronomy 6:8 among other places, tefillin are
to be placed on the arm and on the head between the eyes. However, there are
no details provided regarding what tefillin are or how they are to be
constructed.
Kashrut: As indicated in Exodus 23:19 among other places, a young goat may
not be boiled in its mother's milk. In addition to numerous other problems
with understanding the ambiguous nature of this law, there are no
vowelization characters in the Torah; they are provided by the oral
tradition. This is particularly relevant to this law, as the Hebrew word for
milk is identical to the word for animal fat when vowels are absent.
Without the oral tradition, it is not known whether the violation is in
mixing meat with milk or with fat.
Shabbat laws: With the severity of Sabbath violation, namely the death
penalty, one would assume that direction would be provided as to how exactly
such a serious and core commandment should be upheld. However, most
information regarding the rules and traditions of Shabbat are dictated in
the Talmud and other books deriving from Jewish oral law.
According to classical rabbinic texts this parallel set of material was
originally transmitted to Moses at Sinai, and then from Moses to Israel. At
that time it was forbidden to write and publish the oral law, as any writing
would be incomplete and subject to misinterpretation and abuse.
However, after exile, dispersion and persecution, this tradition was lifted
when it became apparent that in writing was the only way to ensure that the
Oral Law could be preserved. After many years of effort by a great number of
tannaim, the oral tradition was written down around 200 CE by Rabbi Judah
haNasi, who took up the compilation of a nominally written version of the
Oral Law, the Mishnah . Other oral traditions from the same time period not
entered into the Mishnah were recorded as "Baraitot", and the Tosefta. Other
traditions were written down as Midrashim.
After continued persecution more of the oral law was committed to writing. A
great many more lessons, lectures and traditions only alluded to in the few
hundred pages of Mishnah, became the thousands of pages now called the
Gemara. Gemara is written in Aramaic, having been compiled in Babylon. The
Mishnah and Gemara together are called the Talmud. The Rabbis in Israel also
collected their traditions and compiled them into the Jerusalem Talmud.
Since the greater number of Rabbis lived in Babylon, the Babylonian Talmud
has precedence should the two be in conflict.
Orthodox and Conservative branches of Judaism accept these texts as the
basis for all subsequent halakha and codes of Jewish law, which are held to
be normative. Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism deny that these texts, or
the Torah itself for that matter, may be used for determining normative law
but accept them as the authentic and only Jewish version for understanding
the Torah and its development throughout history. Humanistic Judaism holds
that the Torah is a historical, political, and sociological text, but does
not believe that every word of the Torah is true, or even morally correct.
Humanistic Judaism is willing to question the Torah and to disagree with it,
believing that the entire Jewish experience, not just the Torah, should be
the source for Jewish behavior and ethics.
Divine significance of letters, Jewish mysticism
Kabbalists hold that not only do the words of Torah give a divine message,
but they also indicate a far greater message that extends beyond them. Thus
they hold that even as small a mark as a kotzo shel yod, the serif of the
Hebrew letter yod, the smallest letter, or decorative markings, or repeated
words, were put there by God to teach scores of lessons. This is regardless
of whether that yod appears in the phrase "I am the Lord thy God" or
whether it appears in "And God spoke unto Moses saying" . In a similar vein,
Rabbi Akiva, is said to have learned a new law from every et in the Torah ;
the word et is meaningless by itself, and serves only to mark the direct
object. In other words, the Orthodox belief is that even apparently
contextual text "And God spoke unto Moses saying ..." is no less important
than the actual statement.
One kabbalistic interpretation is that the Torah constitutes one long name
of God, and that it was broken up into words so that human minds can
understand it. While this is effective since it accords with our human
reason, it is not the only way that the text can be broken up.
Production and use of a Torah scroll
Manuscript Torah scrolls are still used, and still scribed, for ritual
purposes ; this is called a Sefer Torah . They are written using a
painstakingly careful methodology by highly qualified scribes. This has
resulted in what is, according to B. Barry Levy, "The popular assumption
that no changes were ever introduced into copies of the Bible during
rabbinic times." However, he writes that this "simply does not accord with
the facts." It is believed that every word, or marking, has divine meaning,
and that not one part may be inadvertently changed lest it lead to error.
The fidelity of the Hebrew text of the Tanakh, and the Torah in particular,
is considered paramount, down to the last letter: translations or
transcriptions are frowned upon for formal service use, and transcribing is
done with painstaking care. An error of a single letter, ornamentation, or
symbol of the 304,805 stylized letters that make up the Hebrew Torah text
renders a Torah scroll unfit for use, hence a special skill is required and
a scroll takes considerable time to write and check.
According to Jewish law, a sefer Torah is a copy of the formal Hebrew text
handwritten on gevil or qlaf by using a quill dipped in ink. Written
entirely in Hebrew, a sefer Torah contains 304,805 letters, all of which
must be duplicated precisely by a trained sofer, an effort that may take as
long as approximately one and a half years. Most modern Sifrei Torah are
written with forty-two lines of text per column, and very strict rules about
the position and appearance of the Hebrew letters are observed. See for
example the Mishna Berura on the subject. Any of several Hebrew scripts may
be used, most of which are fairly ornate and exacting.
The completion of the sefer Torah is a cause for great celebration, and it
is a Mitzvah for every Jew to either write or have written for him a Sefer
Torah. Torah scrolls are stored in the holiest part of the synagogue in the
Ark known as the "Holy Ark" Aron in Hebrew means "cupboard" or "closet",
and kodesh is derived from "kadosh", or "holy".
Torah translations
Aramaic
The Book of Ezra refers to translations and commentaries of the Hebrew text
into Aramaic, the more commonly understood language of the time. These
translations would seem to date to the 6th century BCE. The Aramaic term for
translation is Targum. The Encyclopedia Judaica has: At an early period, it
was customary to translate the Hebrew text into the vernacular at the time
of the reading . The targum was done by a special synagogue official,
called the meturgeman ... Eventually, the practice of translating into the
vernacular was discontinued.
However, there is no suggestion that these translations had been written
down as early as this. There are suggestions that the Targum was written
down at an early date, although for private use only. The official
recognition of a written Targum and the final redaction of its text,
however, belong to the post-Talmudic period, thus not earlier than the fifth
century C.E.
Greek
One of the earliest known translations of the first five books of Moses from
the Hebrew into Greek was the Septuagint. This is a Koine Greek version of
the Hebrew Bible that was used by Greek speakers. The Greek version's name
in Latin is the Septuagint: Latin septem meaning seven, plus -gintā meaning
"times ten". It was named Septuagint from the traditional number of its
translators. This Greek version of the Hebrew Scriptures dates from the 3rd
century BCE, originally associated with Hellenistic Judaism. It contains
both a translation of the Hebrew and additional and variant material.
Later translations into Greek include seven or more other versions. These do
not survive, except as fragments, and include those by Aquila, Symmachus,
and Theodotion.
Latin
Early translations into Latin—the Vetus Latina—were ad hoc conversions of
parts of the Septuagint. With St Jerome in the 4th century AD came the
Vulgate Latin translation of the Hebrew Bible.
Arabic
From the eighth century AD, the cultural language of Jews living under
Islamic rule became Arabic rather than Aramaic. "Around that time, both
scholars and lay people started producing translations of the Bible into
Judeo-Arabic using the Hebrew alphabet." Later, by the 10th century, it
became essential for a standard version of the Bible in Judeo-Arabic. The
best known was produced by Saadiah, and continues to be in use today, "in
particular among Yemenite Jewry."
Modern Languages
Jewish Translations
The Torah has been translated by Jewish scholars into most of the major
European languages, including English, German, Russian, French, Spanish and
others. The most well-known German-language translation was produced by
Samson Raphael Hirsch. A number of Jewish English Bible translations have
been published.
Christian Translations
As a part of the Christian Biblical canon, the Torah has been translated
into hundreds of languages.
In other religions
While Christianity includes the five books of Moses among their sacred
texts in its Old Testament, Islam states that only the original Torah was
sent by God. In neither religion does the Torah retain the religious legal
significance that it does in Orthodox Judaism.
Among early centers of Christianity the Septuagint was used by Greek
speakers, while Aramaic Targums were used by Aramaic speakers such as the
Syriac Orthodox Church. It was regarded as the standard form of the Old
Testament in the early Greek Christian Church and is still considered
canonical in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Though different Christian
denominations have slightly different versions of the Old Testament in their
Bibles, the Torah as the "Five Books of Moses" is common among them all.
The Quran refers heavily to Moses to outline the truth of his existence and
the religious guidelines that God had revealed to the Children of Israel.
According to the Qur'an, Allah says "It is He Who has sent down the Book to
you with truth, confirming what came before it. And He sent down the Taurat
and the Injeel ."
Muslims call the Torah the Tawrat and consider it the word of God given to
Moses. However, Muslims also believe that this original revelation was
corrupted over time by Jewish scribes and hence do not revere the present
"Jewish version" Torah as much. The Torah in the Quran is always mentioned
with respect in Islam. The Muslims' belief in the Torah, as well as the
prophethood of Moses, is one of the fundamental tenets of Islam.
The Bahá’í position on the Torah was composed in 1906 by its official
interpreter on all matters religious, Sir ‘Abdu’l-Bahá’ Abbas K.B.E.
"The Torah, held to be the most ancient of histories, existeth today in
three separate versions: the Hebrew, considered authentic by the Jews and
the Protestant clergy; the Greek Septuagint, which was used as authoritative
in the Greek and other eastern churches; and the Samaritan Torah, the
standard authority for that people. These three versions differ greatly, one
from another, even with regard to the lifetimes of the most celebrated
figures. In the Hebrew Torah, it is recorded that from Noah's flood until
the birth of Abraham there was an interval of two hundred and ninety-two
years. In the Greek, that time span is given as one thousand and seventy-two
years, while the Samaritan, the recorded span is nine hundred and forty-two
years. Refer to the commentary by Henry Westcott for tables are supplied
therein which show the discrepancies among the three Torahs as to the birth
dates of a number of the descendants of Shem, and thou wilt see how greatly
the versions differ from one another. Moreover, according to the text of the
Hebrew Torah, from the creation of Adam until Noah's flood the elapsed time
is recorded as one thousand six hundred and fifty-six years, while in the
Greek Torah the interval is given as two thousand two hundred and sixty-two
years, and in the Samaritan text, the same period is said to have lasted one
thousand three hundred and seven years. Reflect now over the discrepancies
among these three Torahs. The case is indeed surprising. The Jews and
Protestants belittle the Greek Torah, while to the Greeks the Hebrew version
is spurious, and the Samaritans deny both the Hebrew and the Greek
versions." ‘Abdu’l Bahá’s elucidations above in 1906 are found in his letter
to Ethel Jenner Rosenberg
Olrik
Mar 19, 2016, 12:44:47 AM3/19/16
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Le 2016-03-18 20:35, Jeanne Douglas a écrit :
> In article <4b4c632c-1d7b-40ac...@googlegroups.com>,
> WeHang FagZ <maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:29:28 AM UTC-4, hypatiab7 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
>>> in the past.
>>> It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
>>
>>
>> So why do you use our Alphabets?
>
> What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
He's insane. He had his brains on purée.
> In article <4b4c632c-1d7b-40ac...@googlegroups.com>,
> WeHang FagZ <maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:29:28 AM UTC-4, hypatiab7 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
>>> in the past.
>>> It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
>>
>>
>> So why do you use our Alphabets?
>
> What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
--
Olrik
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EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Jeanne Douglas
Mar 19, 2016, 2:00:38 AM3/19/16
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In article <ncila0$icp$5...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Le 2016-03-18 20:35, Jeanne Douglas a écrit :
> > In article <4b4c632c-1d7b-40ac...@googlegroups.com>,
> > WeHang FagZ <maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:29:28 AM UTC-4, hypatiab7 wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
> >>> in the past.
> >>> It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
> >>
> >>
> >> So why do you use our Alphabets?
> >
> > What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
>
>
> He's insane. He had his brains on purée.
Yeah, this new bit about the alphabets is completely nuts.
wrote:
> Le 2016-03-18 20:35, Jeanne Douglas a écrit :
> > In article <4b4c632c-1d7b-40ac...@googlegroups.com>,
> > WeHang FagZ <maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:29:28 AM UTC-4, hypatiab7 wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
> >>> in the past.
> >>> It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
> >>
> >>
> >> So why do you use our Alphabets?
> >
> > What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
>
>
> He's insane. He had his brains on purée.
Tim
Mar 19, 2016, 5:11:44 AM3/19/16
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On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 11:03:35 PM UTC-4, % wrote:
> Joe Bruno wrote:
> > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:46:11 PM UTC-7, Smiler wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:28:21 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:36:38 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>>> When you get down to the basics, most religions are the same.
> >>>
> >>> Why do they all use different books?
> >>
> >> So the Torah isn't very similar to the OT and also the Koran isn't a
> >> version of it too?
> >> So much for your 'different books'.
> >>
> > The Torah is part of the OT.
> > Obviously, you never read it or the Koran.
>
> The Torah, or the Pentateuch, is the c
Oh look, the fluffer gimp learned how to cut and paste. Now go learn to deodorize that stinky squaw, gimp.
> Joe Bruno wrote:
> > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:46:11 PM UTC-7, Smiler wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:28:21 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:36:38 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>>> When you get down to the basics, most religions are the same.
> >>>
> >>> Why do they all use different books?
> >>
> >> So the Torah isn't very similar to the OT and also the Koran isn't a
> >> version of it too?
> >> So much for your 'different books'.
> >>
> > The Torah is part of the OT.
> > Obviously, you never read it or the Koran.
>
> The Torah, or the Pentateuch, is the c
hypatiab7
Mar 19, 2016, 7:24:57 AM3/19/16
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from other places, too. Besides, we can't truly know who our ancestors are,
just where they were from generally.
hypatiab7
Mar 19, 2016, 7:27:42 AM3/19/16
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On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 8:35:53 PM UTC-4, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <4b4c632c-1d7b-40ac...@googlegroups.com>,
> WeHang FagZ <maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:29:28 AM UTC-4, hypatiab7 wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
> > > in the past.
> > > It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
> >
> >
> > So why do you use our Alphabets?
>
> What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
It's just one of his attempts at changing the subject.
> In article <4b4c632c-1d7b-40ac...@googlegroups.com>,
> WeHang FagZ <maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:29:28 AM UTC-4, hypatiab7 wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Why do you lie? Everything on the list is true. Why is your head stuck
> > > in the past.
> > > It's 2016 CE. This isn't the Roman Empire.
> >
> >
> > So why do you use our Alphabets?
>
> What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
>
>
> > We are the ones supposed to be inheritors of
> > the Romans, which qualification as Saint Paul said is not based on race or
> > the color of your skin.
> > "There is no longer Blacks, nor Whites; Circumcised or uncircumcised..."
> > Saint Paul.
hypatiab7
Mar 19, 2016, 8:57:35 AM3/19/16
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On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:50:30 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:52:00 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:56:19 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Table of Contents
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity is based on life.
> > > >
> > > > Nope, it's anti-life.
> > >
> > >
> > > once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
> >
> > Every time anyone defeats you arguments, you get all emotional and accuse
> > people of feeling the way you do. Is it time for you to have another breakdown?
> >
> >
> > > > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> >
> > Fear has nothing to do with atheism. It is a release from religious fears.
>
> atheism is fear, fear of death. that's all you're left with. it follows logically.
>
> > You constantly accuse atheists of feeling the same fears Christians feel 24 hours per day. Poor scaredy-cat Johnboi. You scream your own fear every time
> > you write.
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:52:00 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:56:19 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Table of Contents
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity is based on life.
> > > >
> > > > Nope, it's anti-life.
> > >
> > >
> > > once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
> >
> > Every time anyone defeats you arguments, you get all emotional and accuse
> > people of feeling the way you do. Is it time for you to have another breakdown?
> >
> >
> > > > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> >
> > Fear has nothing to do with atheism. It is a release from religious fears.
>
> atheism is fear, fear of death. that's all you're left with. it follows logically.
>
> > You constantly accuse atheists of feeling the same fears Christians feel 24 hours per day. Poor scaredy-cat Johnboi. You scream your own fear every time
>
> Christianity brings hope to the table, and you bring nothing but death. there is no option with atheism. it's death, death, death, do not stop, do not pass, get old and die.
> > > >
> Christianity brings hope to the table, and you bring nothing but death. there is no option with atheism. it's death, death, death, do not stop, do not pass, get old and die.
> > > >
> > > > Nonsense, atheism doesn't say a damned thing about fear, theists rely on the fear tactic, and that's a fact.
> > >
> > > sure it does. it's all about fear. that's why death education was introduced by humanists.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity preys on the innocent
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity appeals to the intellect.
The entire newsgroup got a good bellylaugh out of that one. The theist trolls
> > >
> > > sure it does. it's all about fear. that's why death education was introduced by humanists.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity preys on the innocent
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity appeals to the intellect.
don't count.
> > > >
> > > > LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
> > >
> > >
> > > you've been in that roach motel for much too long. You need to get intellectual.
You go first.
> > > > LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
> > >
> > >
> > > you've been in that roach motel for much too long. You need to get intellectual.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
We already knew that you knew nothing about atheism.
> > > >
> > > > > Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
> > > >
> > > > What utter fucking nonsense!
> > >
> > > it's a fact.
You've never recognized a fact in your entire life. Your messages in
> > > > What utter fucking nonsense!
> > >
> > > it's a fact.
alt.atheism prove this and are evidence of your ignorance.
> > > > > > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity is about truth.
2,000 years.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bull shit.
> > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
You are proof that Christianity frightens its own believers. The same with
> > > >
> > > > Bull shit.
> > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
Duke, Calvin, Andrew, Michael and others.
> > > >
> > > > That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
And makes Earl Lie all the time.
> > > > That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
It can't murder people or force conversions anymore.
> > > > > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > > > >
> > > > > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
Communists worship their countries as their gods. They become cogs, just like Christians do to their religions.
> > > > > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > > > >
> > > > > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is cruel
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
You keep equating atheism to Communism. You're a lying bigot. You're afraid
> > > > > > Christianity is cruel
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
to think for yourself and would do anything to remain a Christian cog.
> > > >
> > > > You're an idiot.
> > >
> > > more of your emoting.
In your case, he's stating a fact. You aren't stupid; you are a fool.
> > > > You're an idiot.
> > >
> > > more of your emoting.
Your are easily misled due to your lack of education.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
> > > >
> > > > Yep, you are an idiot.
Definitely. And he knows nothing about actual history.
> > > > > > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
> > > > >
> > > > > Christianity has allowed what you see today, atheism is about "gait dose Christianists otta here, get them otta hair, get dem otta hair now!"
> > > >
> > > > Yep, you are an idiot.
> > >
> > > Just more of your emoting.
What do you think you've been doing throughout this message?
> > > Just more of your emoting.
> > > > > > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
> > > > >
> > > > > Who brings it up all the time, here?
> > > >
> > > > Theists.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't bring it up. ye atheists bring it up.
Where? If sex is brought up 10 times, 9 of them are from theists.
> > >
> > > I don't bring it up. ye atheists bring it up.
Lying about such things is the highway to your hell, Johnboi.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity produces sexual misery
> > > > >
> > > > > StD
> > > > >
Because Christians are told not to protect themselves.
> > > > > > Christianity produces sexual misery
> > > > >
> > > > > StD
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
> > > > >
> > > > > It's about upholding the standard, and mercy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > More Bull Shit.
> > >
> > >
> > > never read a Bible, I see, much less heard a sermon.
why
> > > >
> > > > More Bull Shit.
> > >
> > >
> > > never read a Bible, I see, much less heard a sermon.
How can anyone escape them when they're in all kinds of movies where
they don't belong. But I do study religion because I want to know
why so many religious fanatics go crazy or behave as they do. You're
a prime subject for a good psychiatrist.
> > >
> > > > > > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> > > > >
> > > > > Every evil atheists expect Christians to obey, involves a tax that will enrich those who tax it.
Taxes only enrich Wall Street and big business. They don't pay any or very little. You're too ignorant to understand this. It has nothing to do with
> > > > > > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
> > > > >
> > > > > Every evil atheists expect Christians to obey, involves a tax that will enrich those who tax it.
religion or the lack of it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity depreciates the natural world
> > > > >
> > > > > Atheists use the natural world to trick people into thinking they're out to save the world, and then when nobody is looking the land that was confiscated from ranchers becomes Chinese solar farms and pay-offs to politicians.
Some of us do try to save our only planet from businessmen and fools like you.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity depreciates the natural world
> > > > >
> > > > > Atheists use the natural world to trick people into thinking they're out to save the world, and then when nobody is looking the land that was confiscated from ranchers becomes Chinese solar farms and pay-offs to politicians.
> > > >
> > > > More bull shit from the voices in your idiot head.
> > >
> > > Just an on-going fact.
That you hear voices in your head. So, you admit it.
> > > > More bull shit from the voices in your idiot head.
> > >
> > > Just an on-going fact.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not the structure that most protestant churches take.
So you admit that some do.
> > > > > > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not the structure that most protestant churches take.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity sanctions slavery
> > > > >
> > > > > Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
Only some. Most Christians supported it throughout history and up to the present day.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity sanctions slavery
> > > > >
> > > > > Wilberforce was a christian, and Christians fought slavery.
> > > > > > Christianity is misogynistic
> > > > >
> > > > > Then why do atheists want women working in high rise buildings and not building a business at home?
No, I'd say you don't.
Most atheists want women to do whatever they are capable of doing and want
to do. Sexists like you would trap them at home even if it isn't what they
want. You're still thinking of women as nothing but baby making machines
with no individuality.
> > > >
> > > > You're still listening to those voices in your idiot brain.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is homophobic
> > > > >
> > > > > There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
> > > >
> > > > So you agree, it's homophobic.
> > > >
He still doesn't accept that everyone is born the way they are. His religion
> > > > You're still listening to those voices in your idiot brain.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is homophobic
> > > > >
> > > > > There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
> > > >
> > > > So you agree, it's homophobic.
> > > >
makes him a bigot and he accepts being a bigot.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> > > > >
> > > > > Just your opinion.
Not just his.
> > > > > > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> > > > >
> > > > > Just your opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> > > > >
> > > > > Just your opinion.
Not just his. You've been given links to websites that show the contradictions
> > > > > > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> > > > >
> > > > > Just your opinion.
in your Bible. You refuse to even look at them. You don't want the truth.
> > > >
> > > > Nope, it's a fact.
> > >
> > > just your opinion.
Not just his.
> > > > Nope, it's a fact.
> > >
> > > just your opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
And many of their saints were gods and goddesses in other religions. Of course,
> > > > > > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
they desanctified many of them fairly recently. For example, we just celebrated
Mr. Patrick's Day. And many people still wear Mr. Christopher medallions.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
You didn't respond to what he wrote and tried to change the subject. You
> > > > >
> > > > > Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
always were an abject coward. You know what he wrote was true.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
The Christian devil and hell came from the Persians. The Greeks had no heaven or hell. They just had a dismal place where people wandered around wishing they were still alive. If someone was really bad, a special version of hell was created for them or they just ceased to exist altogether.
> > > >
> > > > Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
> > >
> > > no they're not. you plagiarized that idea from someone who got it from someone who made it up.
In other words, you were afraid to do any research on your own outside of biased creationist websites and books. Nothing new from you, Johnboi.
> > > no they're not. you plagiarized that idea from someone who got it from someone who made it up.
hypatiab7
Mar 19, 2016, 9:15:03 AM3/19/16
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On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 4:39:11 PM UTC-4, Smiler wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:38:01 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
> > became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the
> > month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
> > campaigning season in Roman times),
>
> Hence, Mars was also the Roman god of war.
Who was also patterned on Ares, the Greek god of war. I didn't know about St. Martin, though. Thanks. I learned something new today.
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:38:01 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > The Roman God Mars was originally a God who guarded wheat fields. He
> > became St. Martin (esp. St. Martin-in-the-fields). Although March is the
> > month associated with Mars (it was the beginning of the military
> > campaigning season in Roman times),
>
> Hence, Mars was also the Roman god of war.
Lots of people back then glued new gods onto old ones. I imagine that's how Athena could be both a goddess of wisdom and war.
duke
Mar 19, 2016, 10:19:37 AM3/19/16
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 19:31:02 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smi...@jo.king> wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 18:02:21 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
>
>But nobody heard him.
54% of the world population alive and well today did.
the dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
>On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 18:02:21 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
>> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>>
>>>Table of Contents
>>
>> God has spoken.
>>
>>>http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>>>
>>>Table of Contents
>>
>
>But nobody heard him.
54% of the world population alive and well today did.
the dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
Mar 19, 2016, 10:20:19 AM3/19/16
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 00:57:14 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 7:02:18 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
>> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> >
>> >Table of Contents
>>
>> God has spoken.
>
>Oh, my! Are you hearing things again? Is your god still talking to you
>in your bathroom?
In my heart. And as recorded by man in scripture.
>> > Christianity is based on fear
>> > Christianity is cruel
>> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
wrote:
>On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 7:02:18 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
>> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> >
>> >Table of Contents
>>
>> God has spoken.
>
>in your bathroom?
In my heart. And as recorded by man in scripture.
>> > Christianity is based on fear
>> > Christianity preys on the innocent
>> > Christianity is based on dishonesty
>> > Christianity is extremely egocentric
>> > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
>> > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
>> > Christianity is cruel
>> > Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
>> > Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
>> > Christianity produces sexual misery
>> > Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
>> > Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on imaginary evils
>> > Christianity depreciates the natural world
>> > Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
>> > Christianity sanctions slavery
>> > Christianity is misogynistic
>> > Christianity is homophobic
>> > Christianity is misogynistic
>> > Christianity is homophobic
>> > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
>> > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
>> > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
>> >
>> >
>> >Click on say Christianity is based on dishonesty and you will get something like this: 3. Christianity is based on dishonesty. The Christian appeal to fear, to cowardice, is an admission that the evidence supporting Christian beliefs is far from compelling. If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians--including those who wrote the Gospels--would feel no need to resort to the cheap tactic of using fear-inducing threats to inspire "belief." ("Lip service" is a more accurate term.) That the Christian clergy have been more than willing to accept such lip service (plus the dollars and obedience that go with it) in place of genuine belief, is an additional indictment of the basic dishonesty of Christianity.
>> >
>> >How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
>> >
>> >or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural
>> >events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
>> >
>> >When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
>> >
>> >More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
>> >
>> >Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
>> >
>> >They also attempt to take advantage of public ignorance of the nature of scientific theories. In popular use, "theory" is employed as a synonym for "hypothesis," "conjecture," or even "wild guess," that is, it signifies an idea with no special merit or backing. The use of the term in science is quite different. There, "theory" refers to a well-developed, logically consistent explanation of a phenomenon, and an explanation that is consistent with observed facts. This is very different than a wild guess. But fundamentalists deliberately confuse the two uses of the term in an attempt to make their religious myth appear as valid as a well-supported scientific theory.
>> >
>> >They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
>> >
>> >Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are
>> >inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
>> >
>> >This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
>> >
>> >No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
>> >
>> >Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
>> >
>> >
>> >Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
>> >Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
>> >
>> >You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
>> >
>> >For the love of decency, just go away.
>> >
>> >How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal's wager. This "wager" holds that it's safer to "believe" in God (as if belief were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it's an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven "wager."
>> >
>> >or Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific will give you this: 8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific. For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation--the interpretation of biblical passages, the gleaning of clues from the lives of the saints, etc.; there was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture. The results of this are well known: scientific knowledge advanced hardly an inch in the over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance, living in dire fear of the supernatural--believing in paranormal explanations for the most ordinary natural
>> >events. This ignorance had tragic results: it made the populace more than ready to accept witchcraft as an explanation for everything from illness to thunderstorms, and hundreds of thousands of women paid for that ignorance with their lives. One of the commonest charges against witches was that they had raised hailstorms or other weather disturbances to cause misfortune to their neighbors. In an era when supernatural explanations were readily accepted, such charges held weight--and countless innocent people died horrible deaths as a result. Another result was that the fearful populace remained very dependent upon Christianity and its clerical wise men for protection against the supernatural evils which they believed surrounded and constantly menaced them. For men and women of the Middle Ages, the walls veritably crawled with demons and witches; and their only protection from those evils was the church.
>> >
>> >When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance--after a 1000-year-plus hiatus--organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false. Protestants shared this view. John Calvin rhetorically asked, "Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?"
>> >
>> >More lately, the Catholic Church and the more liberal Protestant congregations have realized that fighting against science is a losing battle, and they've taken to claiming that there is no contradiction between science and religion. This is disingenuous at best. As long as Christian sects continue to claim as fact--without offering a shred of evidence beyond the anecdotal--that physically impossible events occurred (or are still occurring), the conflict between science and religion will remain. That many churchmen and many scientists seem content to let this conflict lie doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
>> >
>> >Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their own which we're supposed to accept at face value--such as that dinosaur fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.
>> >
>> >They also attempt to take advantage of public ignorance of the nature of scientific theories. In popular use, "theory" is employed as a synonym for "hypothesis," "conjecture," or even "wild guess," that is, it signifies an idea with no special merit or backing. The use of the term in science is quite different. There, "theory" refers to a well-developed, logically consistent explanation of a phenomenon, and an explanation that is consistent with observed facts. This is very different than a wild guess. But fundamentalists deliberately confuse the two uses of the term in an attempt to make their religious myth appear as valid as a well-supported scientific theory.
>> >
>> >They also attempt to confuse the issue by claiming that those nonspecialists who accept the theory of evolution have no more reason to do so than they have in accepting their religious creation myth, or even that those who accept evolution do so on "faith." Again, this is more than a bit dishonest.
>> >
>> >Thanks to scientific investigation, human knowledge has advanced to the point where no one can know more than a tiny fraction of the whole. Even the most knowledgeable scientists often know little beyond their specialty areas. But because of the structure of science, they (and everyone else) can feel reasonably secure in accepting the theories developed by scientists in other disciplines as the best possible current explanations of the areas of nature those disciplines cover. They (and we) can feel secure doing this because of the structure of science, and more particularly, because of the scientific method. That method basically consists of gathering as much information about a phenomenon (both in nature and in the laboratory) as possible, then developing explanations for it (hypotheses), and then testing the hypotheses to see how well they explain the observed facts, and whether or not any of those observed facts are inconsistent with the hypotheses. Those hypotheses that are
>> >inconsistent with observed facts are discarded or modified, while those that are consistent are retained, and those that survive repeated testing are often labeled "theories," as in "the theory of relativity" and "the theory of evolution."
>> >
>> >This is the reason that nonspecialists are justified in accepting scientific theories outside their disciplines as the best current explanations of observed phenomena: those who developed the theories were following standard scientific practice and reasoning--and if they deviate from that, other scientists will quickly call them to task.
>> >
>> >No matter how much fundamentalists might protest to the contrary, there is a world of difference between "faith" in scientific theories (produced using the scientific method, and subject to near-continual testing and scrutiny) and faith in the entirely unsupported myths recorded 3000 years ago by slave-holding goat herders.
>> >
>> >Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has." The opposite is also true.
>> >
>> >
>> >Nothing about your God as described is worth worshiping. If a real person acted the God does, people would band together and kill the evil fuck.
>> >Why you guys think there's going to be something beautiful in a heaven run by such an evil murdering piece of shit is beyond reason.
>> >
>> >You have no evidence, you have no proof and everything you say to try and convince people of his existence only makes you look more stupid.
>> >
>> >For the love of decency, just go away.
duke
Mar 19, 2016, 10:20:52 AM3/19/16
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:13:49 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 4:02:18 PM UTC-7, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
>> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> >
>> >Table of Contents
>>
>> God has spoken.
>
>And he has said you are an idiot. It was a little late to be news but since he said it it must be true.
Oh, are you now following God?
>On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 4:02:18 PM UTC-7, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
>> <youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
>> >
>> >Table of Contents
>>
>> God has spoken.
>
>And he has said you are an idiot. It was a little late to be news but since he said it it must be true.
Astero...@yahoo.com
Mar 19, 2016, 1:49:55 PM3/19/16
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> > > > >
> > > > > LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > you've been in that roach motel for much too long. You need to get intellectual.
>
> You go first.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
>
> We already knew that you knew nothing about atheism.
> > > > >
> > > > > What utter fucking nonsense!
> > > >
> > > > it's a fact.
>
> You've never recognized a fact in your entire life. Your messages in
> alt.atheism prove this and are evidence of your ignorance.
>
> > > > > > > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is about truth.
>
> Christianity is a myth that has been used to hoodwink fools like you for
> 2,000 years.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bull shit.
see that emotionalism?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
>
> You are proof that Christianity frightens its own believers. The same with
> Duke, Calvin, Andrew, Michael and others.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
>
> And makes Earl Lie all the time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
>
> It can't murder people or force conversions anymore.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
>
> Communists worship their countries as their gods. They become cogs, just like Christians do to their religions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is cruel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
>
> You keep equating atheism to Communism. You're a lying bigot. You're afraid
> to think for yourself and would do anything to remain a Christian cog.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're an idiot.
> > > >
> > > > more of your emoting.
>
> In your case, he's stating a fact. You aren't stupid; you are a fool.
> Your are easily misled due to your lack of education.
> > > >
> > > > no they're not. you plagiarized that idea from someone who got it from someone who made it up.
>
> In other words, you were afraid to do any research on your own outside of biased creationist websites and books. Nothing new from you, Johnboi.
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> > baby making machines with no individuality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're still listening to those voices in your idiot brain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is homophobic
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So you agree, it's homophobic.
> > > > > >
> > He still doesn't accept that everyone is born the way they are. His religion
> > makes him a bigot and he accepts being a bigot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just your opinion.
> >
> > Not just his.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just your opinion.
> >
> > Not just his. You've been given links to websites that show the contradictions
> > in your Bible. You refuse to even look at them. You don't want the truth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, it's a fact.
> > > > >
> > > > > just your opinion.
> >
> > Not just his.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> >
> > And many of their saints were gods and goddesses in other religions. Of course, they desanctified many of them fairly recently. For example, we just celebrated Mr. Patrick's Day. And many people still wear Mr. Christopher medallions. And, as someone pointed out, St. Martin was actually the war god
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're still listening to those voices in your idiot brain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is homophobic
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There will be many happy, very happy ex homosexuals in heaven.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So you agree, it's homophobic.
> > > > > >
> > He still doesn't accept that everyone is born the way they are. His religion
> > makes him a bigot and he accepts being a bigot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just your opinion.
> >
> > Not just his.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Bible is riddled with contradictions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just your opinion.
> >
> > Not just his. You've been given links to websites that show the contradictions
> > in your Bible. You refuse to even look at them. You don't want the truth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, it's a fact.
> > > > >
> > > > > just your opinion.
> >
> > Not just his.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions
> >
Mars who was originally an agriculture/field god.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
> >
> > You didn't respond to what he wrote and tried to change the subject. You
> > always were an abject coward. You know what he wrote was true.
You really hate it when people see all the similarities ib all the Christian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Atheists remove the difference between different religions and try to make them look the same.
> >
> > You didn't respond to what he wrote and tried to change the subject. You
> > always were an abject coward. You know what he wrote was true.
religions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
> >
> > The Christian devil and hell came from the Persians. The Greeks had no heaven or hell. They just had a dismal place where people wandered around wishing they were still alive. If someone was really bad, a special version of hell was created for them or they just ceased to exist altogether.
>
> no, it did not. the devil wasn't born out of Babylon, as you haven't read the scriptures thoroughly. You have the book of Job, and you have the Psalms, and the songs of David, and the Torah, which all came before the Babylonian siege.
> > > > >
> > > > > no they're not. you plagiarized that idea from someone who got it from someone who made it up.
The Christian devil was brought out of Persia by Hebrews returning to their
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nonsense, heaven and hell were stolen from the Ancient Greeks, many of the saints were based on Greco-Roman heroes. You're just pig ignorant of history, typical of idiot theists.
> >
> > The Christian devil and hell came from the Persians. The Greeks had no heaven or hell. They just had a dismal place where people wandered around wishing they were still alive. If someone was really bad, a special version of hell was created for them or they just ceased to exist altogether.
>
> no, it did not. the devil wasn't born out of Babylon, as you haven't read the scriptures thoroughly. You have the book of Job, and you have the Psalms, and the songs of David, and the Torah, which all came before the Babylonian siege.
> > > > >
> > > > > no they're not. you plagiarized that idea from someone who got it from someone who made it up.
home. What they had learned was passed on to the new Christians who added
embellishments. I never even mentioned Babylon. So, on top of knowing nothing
about actual history, you also can't read.
> >
> > In other words, you were afraid to do any research on your own outside of biased creationist websites and books. Nothing new from you, Johnboi. And,
your words fit what the people who put the Bible together did. They played
pick and chose and tried to destroy anything they didn't like. And some of
their Bible stories were stolen from The Oddysey and the Illiad. And, they murdered anyone who disagreed with them.
>
> you just read those atheist websites and call it good.
Nope. If I'd read an atheist website and found something good, I'd have posted a link to it here.
> you just read those atheist websites and call it good.
I'd love to see how you respond to my new responses.
Astero...@yahoo.com
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hypatiab7
Mar 19, 2016, 4:31:34 PM3/19/16
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On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 1:49:55 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 5:57:35 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:50:30 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:52:00 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:56:19 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > > > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Table of Contents
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is based on life.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, it's anti-life.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
> > > >
> > > > Every time anyone defeats you arguments, you get all emotional and accuse people of feeling the way you do. Is it time for you to have another breakdown?
> > > >
> > > > > > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> > > >
> > > > Fear has nothing to do with atheism. It is a release from religious fears.
> > >
> > > atheism is fear, fear of death. that's all you're left with. it follows logically.
> > >
> > > > You constantly accuse atheists of feeling the same fears Christians feel 24 hours per day. Poor scaredy-cat Johnboi. You scream your own fear every time you write.
> > >
> > > Christianity brings hope to the table, and you bring nothing but death. there is no option with atheism. it's death, death, death, do not stop, do not pass, get old and die.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nonsense, atheism doesn't say a damned thing about fear, theists rely on the fear tactic, and that's a fact.
> > > > >
> > > > > sure it does. it's all about fear. that's why death education was introduced by humanists.
What are you blathering about?
> On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 5:57:35 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:50:30 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:52:00 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:56:19 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:28:02 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-4, Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > > > > > > http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Table of Contents
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is based on fear
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is based on life.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, it's anti-life.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > once you've gotten out of your disgruntled feeling state, perhaps you could relate the truth.
> > > >
> > > > Every time anyone defeats you arguments, you get all emotional and accuse people of feeling the way you do. Is it time for you to have another breakdown?
> > > >
> > > > > > >Christianity says there is a choice between life and death, while atheism says that fear is the only option and there is nothing but death. so there's a possibility of escaping fear and having joy with Christianity, and with atheism there is no choice but fear.
> > > >
> > > > Fear has nothing to do with atheism. It is a release from religious fears.
> > >
> > > atheism is fear, fear of death. that's all you're left with. it follows logically.
> > >
> > > > You constantly accuse atheists of feeling the same fears Christians feel 24 hours per day. Poor scaredy-cat Johnboi. You scream your own fear every time you write.
> > >
> > > Christianity brings hope to the table, and you bring nothing but death. there is no option with atheism. it's death, death, death, do not stop, do not pass, get old and die.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nonsense, atheism doesn't say a damned thing about fear, theists rely on the fear tactic, and that's a fact.
> > > > >
> > > > > sure it does. it's all about fear. that's why death education was introduced by humanists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity preys on the innocent
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity appeals to the intellect.
> >
> > The entire newsgroup got a good bellylaugh out of that one. The theist trolls > > don't count.
>
> you just proved my point. If atheism appealed to the intellect, you wouldn't see cursing and emotionalizing like that you read here. Simply put, appealing to the intellect means using arguments and structure to persuade the mind. The opposite of appealing to the intellect is enacting laws to suppress opposing thought, telling people to "gait otta hair", or "zang zang it, zap sippy zot zam"
I said that we laughed at your asinine statement, not that we cursed or
> > > > > > > > Christianity preys on the innocent
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity appeals to the intellect.
> >
> > The entire newsgroup got a good bellylaugh out of that one. The theist trolls > > don't count.
>
> you just proved my point. If atheism appealed to the intellect, you wouldn't see cursing and emotionalizing like that you read here. Simply put, appealing to the intellect means using arguments and structure to persuade the mind. The opposite of appealing to the intellect is enacting laws to suppress opposing thought, telling people to "gait otta hair", or "zang zang it, zap sippy zot zam"
(your favorite) got emotional. You really hate it when people laugh at you.
You get all upset and accuse them of being emotional. All the emotionalism
is coming from no one but John McCoy. And what you call words to the effect
of walla walla bing bang is merely you freaking out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > you've been in that roach motel for much too long. You need to get intellectual.
> >
> > You go first.
>
> did that.
Intellectually? Nah. Not once since you first invaded alt.atheism as a
> > > > > > LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > you've been in that roach motel for much too long. You need to get intellectual.
> >
> > You go first.
>
> did that.
teeny bopper
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
> >
> > We already knew that you knew nothing about atheism.
>
> How's that?
From everything you write.
> > > > > > > Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
> >
> > We already knew that you knew nothing about atheism.
>
> How's that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What utter fucking nonsense!
> > > > >
> > > > > it's a fact.
> >
> > You've never recognized a fact in your entire life. Your messages in
> > alt.atheism prove this and are evidence of your ignorance.
>
> how's that?
By your being wrong about everything.
> > > > > > What utter fucking nonsense!
> > > > >
> > > > > it's a fact.
> >
> > You've never recognized a fact in your entire life. Your messages in
> > alt.atheism prove this and are evidence of your ignorance.
>
> how's that?
>
> >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is about truth.
> >
> > Christianity is a myth that has been used to hoodwink fools like you for
> > 2,000 years.
>
> how's that?
See how successful it has been in your case.
> >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is about truth.
> >
> > Christianity is a myth that has been used to hoodwink fools like you for
> > 2,000 years.
>
> how's that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bull shit.
>
>
> see that emotionalism?
Nope. His response makes perfect sense. You just didn't like it and
> > > > > > Bull shit.
>
>
> see that emotionalism?
got all emotional about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
Then, why don't you Christian trolls act that way?
> > > > > > > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
> >
> > You are proof that Christianity frightens its own believers. The same with
> > Duke, Calvin, Andrew, Michael and others.
>
> don't lump us all together.
Why not? You're all Christians and you're all trolls.
> > You are proof that Christianity frightens its own believers. The same with
> > Duke, Calvin, Andrew, Michael and others.
>
> don't lump us all together.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
> >
> > And makes Earl Lie all the time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
> >
> > It can't murder people or force conversions anymore.
>
> oh, it's the old paganism under the guise of Christianity that persecuted and killed real Christians.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> >
> > Communists worship their countries as their gods. They become cogs, just like Christians do to their religions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is cruel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
> >
> > You keep equating atheism to Communism. You're a lying bigot. You're afraid
> > to think for yourself and would do anything to remain a Christian cog.
>
> of course there are atheists who are libertarian, and the first atheists I've met were like that, but by and large, you, included, want a mommy government to take care of all your needs.
I worked my entire adult life to the age of 60, retiring only because of health
> > > > > > That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
> >
> > And makes Earl Lie all the time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
> >
> > It can't murder people or force conversions anymore.
>
> oh, it's the old paganism under the guise of Christianity that persecuted and killed real Christians.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> >
> > Communists worship their countries as their gods. They become cogs, just like Christians do to their religions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is cruel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
> >
> > You keep equating atheism to Communism. You're a lying bigot. You're afraid
> > to think for yourself and would do anything to remain a Christian cog.
>
> of course there are atheists who are libertarian, and the first atheists I've met were like that, but by and large, you, included, want a mommy government to take care of all your needs.
problems. As long as Medicare and my insurance pay my medical bills, I'm doing
just fine. Can you look forward to that when you retire? Have you ever worked?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're an idiot.
> > > > >
> > > > > more of your emoting.
> >
> > In your case, he's stating a fact. You aren't stupid; you are a fool.
> > Your are easily misled due to your lack of education.
>
> how's that?
You are easily misled due to your lack of education. You also have a problem
> > > > > > You're an idiot.
> > > > >
> > > > > more of your emoting.
> >
> > In your case, he's stating a fact. You aren't stupid; you are a fool.
> > Your are easily misled due to your lack of education.
>
> how's that?
with reading.
by your lack of education. And seeing this develop into an even worse case of the 'Just your opinions' is terribly sad. Please see a doctor before it turns into a double whammy case of the 'zing zangs'.
Astero...@yahoo.com
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LOL! Nice one, you should do a stand up routine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you've been in that roach motel for much too long. You need to get intellectual.
> > >
> > > You go first.
> >
> > did that.
>
> Intellectually? Nah. Not once since you first invaded alt.atheism as a
> teeny bopper
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Atheism rules by secular mandates and taxation.
> > >
> > > We already knew that you knew nothing about atheism.
> >
> > How's that?
>
> From everything you write.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What utter fucking nonsense!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it's a fact.
> > >
> > > You've never recognized a fact in your entire life. Your messages in
> > > alt.atheism prove this and are evidence of your ignorance.
> >
> > how's that?
>
> By your being wrong about everything.
> >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > Christianity is based on dishonesty
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is about truth.
> > >
> > > Christianity is a myth that has been used to hoodwink fools like you for
> > > 2,000 years.
> >
> > how's that?
>
> See how successful it has been in your case.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bull shit.
> >
> >
> > see that emotionalism?
>
> Nope. His response makes perfect sense. You just didn't like it and
> got all emotional about it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Christianity is extremely egocentric
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity says to care about people as you would have them care about you.
>
> Then, why don't you Christian trolls act that way?
> > >
> > > You are proof that Christianity frightens its own believers. The same with
> > > Duke, Calvin, Andrew, Michael and others.
> >
> > don't lump us all together.
>
> Why not? You're all Christians and you're all trolls.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's why cunts like earl weber call Obama "Buckwheat".
> > >
> > > And makes Earl Lie all the time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is saving everyone, so everyone is welcome.
> > >
> > > It can't murder people or force conversions anymore.
> >
> > oh, it's the old paganism under the guise of Christianity that persecuted and killed real Christians.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Christianity breeds authoritarianism
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The most cruel and death mongering states that have or are existing have been atheists ones, such as the Soviet Union and China.
> > >
> > > Communists worship their countries as their gods. They become cogs, just like Christians do to their religions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Christianity is cruel
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christianity is about salvation, atheism is about the gulag and 'gait outta hair."
> > >
> > > You keep equating atheism to Communism. You're a lying bigot. You're afraid
> > > to think for yourself and would do anything to remain a Christian cog.
> >
> > of course there are atheists who are libertarian, and the first atheists I've met were like that, but by and large, you, included, want a mommy government to take care of all your needs.
>
> I worked my entire adult life to the age of 60, retiring only because of health
> problems. As long as Medicare and my insurance pay my medical bills, I'm doing
> just fine. Can you look forward to that when you retire? Have you ever worked?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're an idiot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > more of your emoting.
> > >
> > > In your case, he's stating a fact. You aren't stupid; you are a fool.
> > > Your are easily misled due to your lack of education.
> >
> > how's that?
>
> You are easily misled due to your lack of education. You also have a problem
> with reading.
WeHang FagZ
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On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 12:44:47 AM UTC-4, Olrik wrote:
>> So why do you use our Alphabets?
>
> What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
We have been telling you that God set up criterion in His will.
>> So why do you use our Alphabets?
>
> What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
Think about it this way: Our Lord went to war against another KING who happens to be Caesar in this context.
He won that war by His blood and left us all the bounties including the Roman Alphabets, Calendar, Institutions, Laws, Legal Theory... We are heirs of the Romans as spelled out in the will and NEW COVENANT which America rejected.
America left itself out.... on the basis of its constitution or Laws which operates against God's will. Therefore any part of our inheritance used by America such as Alphabets or institutions are illegitimate.
>
>
> He's insane. He had his brains on purée. Ta mere....
Jeanne Douglas
Mar 19, 2016, 7:17:20 PM3/19/16
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In article <b4222384-c210-46b2...@googlegroups.com>,
> > He's insane. He had his brains on purée. Ta mere....
--
WeHang FagZ <maca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 12:44:47 AM UTC-4, Olrik wrote:
>
> >> So why do you use our Alphabets?
> >
> > What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
>
>
> We have been telling you that God set up criterion in His will.
> Think about it this way: Our Lord went to war against another KING who
> happens to be Caesar in this context.
> He won that war by His blood and left us all the bounties including the Roman
> Alphabets, Calendar, Institutions, Laws, Legal Theory... We are heirs of the
> Romans as spelled out in the will and NEW COVENANT which America rejected.
> America left itself out.... on the basis of its constitution or Laws which
> operates against God's will. Therefore any part of our inheritance used by
> America such as Alphabets or institutions are illegitimate.
Does any of that insanity actually make sense to you?
> On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 12:44:47 AM UTC-4, Olrik wrote:
>
> >> So why do you use our Alphabets?
> >
> > What does the alphabet used have to do with anything?
>
>
> We have been telling you that God set up criterion in His will.
> Think about it this way: Our Lord went to war against another KING who
> happens to be Caesar in this context.
> He won that war by His blood and left us all the bounties including the Roman
> Alphabets, Calendar, Institutions, Laws, Legal Theory... We are heirs of the
> Romans as spelled out in the will and NEW COVENANT which America rejected.
> America left itself out.... on the basis of its constitution or Laws which
> operates against God's will. Therefore any part of our inheritance used by
> America such as Alphabets or institutions are illegitimate.
> > He's insane. He had his brains on purée. Ta mere....
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