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LIFE ON THE MOON: NASA TECHNOLOGIST DESCRIBES OUR FUTURE LUNAR COLONY
BY SYDNEY PEREIRA ON 12/16/17 AT 10:10 AM

President Donald Trump signed a directive this week that includes an
initiative to send astronauts to the moon—and eventually to Mars. Humans
have not been on the moon since 1972.

NASA focuses on individual missions rather than planning settlements on
distant rocky spheres. But that doesn't mean visions of a moon colony
are out of the question. To better understand what life on the moon
would look like, Newsweek spoke with Robert P. Mueller, senior
technologist at NASA with expertise in robotics, the construction of
planetary outposts and many other nuts-and-bolt aspects of space
exploration.

What would housing on the moon look like?

So we divide structures into two categories. First we have 2-dimensional
structures, and that’s things like landing pads, roads, parking lots,
dust-free zones, even thermal areas that retain the heat for the lunar
nights. Then we have 3-dimensional structures that obviously have
volume—those are things like hangers, habitats, radiation shelters,
micromedioid shelters. So it’s more of a shelter, a structure, that is
pressurized where the crew can live and we can keep equipment.

What do scientists have to consider in designing architecture for these
buildings?

In summary, to build a habitat on the moon or Mars, you have to first
consider the extreme environment and then once you have dealt with the
design for the extreme environment, you have to deal with the
constructability. And the constructability has to be robotic. Humans
will not be there at the beginning. The robots will construct the base,
and then the humans will come in and live in it. So there’s a lot of
things to think about, and we’re certainly not capable of doing it
today, but in the lab, we are developing solutions. I would say within
10 or 20 years we would be ready to do that.

What’s extreme about the environment?

First of all, on the moon for example, the thermal temperature swings
are extreme. You can go from plus 125 Celsius to minus 130 Celsius
[negative 202 to plus 257 degrees Fahrenheit] just by going from the
lighted areas to the shadowed areas—temperature drops dramatically.

Then of course you’re in a vacuum. There’s no atmosphere. It’s a pure
vacuum. Then on top of that, you have to deal with radiation from deep
space. There’s two types of radiation—there’s solar particle vents come
from the Sun and then there’s galactic cosmic rays coming from deep
space. On top of that, there are micrometeorites that come in on the
moon. There’s also moonquakes where you have to design your structures
to be capable of surviving a small moonquake. And so, this is what we
call an extreme environment. So anytime you design for extreme
environments, it’s a new kind of a design.

What would buildings be made from?

So we plan to build all of those with local resources, indigenous
materials. In the first phase, we’ll probably bring out modules that are
fabricated on Earth and then we’ll put those underneath the shelters
which are fabricated locally out of regolith—regolith is a crushed rock
that you find on the surface of the moon and Mars. And then later on as
the technology evolves, then we won’t bring anything from Earth anymore.
We’ll be Earth independent. We’ll be completely self-sufficient and
we’ll be able to send just a few robots up because we have large amounts
of energy from the sun and large amounts of materials from the moon or
the planet Mars.

3D printing seems to be the leading candidate right now for [building]
these structures. It would be large robotic 3D printers that we deploy
in space or we could even 3D print the 3D printer. So, bring a small 3D
printer that 3D prints the components and then assemble a large 3D
printer then use that large 3D printer to build a large structure.

We’re developing the technology—we’re not ready to go today—but we’re
developing the technology so in the future we could go and build
infrastructure in space.

How would people grow food?

Turns out, that you can grow food very efficiently using LED lights.
We’ve done research that shows that purple light is the best light—the
certain wavelength spectrum of light that the plants grow very well in.
We use hydroponics. We use aeroponics as well. And we’re researching
maybe it’s even possible to grow the plants in the local soil that’s
available on the moon and Mars, but that’s still research-level. That
has not been proven yet.

We’re definitely going to have farms in space for two reasons. We need
the food for the crew, and we also have significant psychological
advantages to having plants in space. That's been proven on the
International Space Station.

Where would people get water?

The water is available in space, but it has to be mined. The water is in
the soil. You have to dig up the soil and extract the water from the
soil. And then you have to purify it because the water has some
contaminants in it. So once you’ve mined the soil that we call regolith,
the crushed rock, but it also has water in it on Mars and the moon. So
this is one of the main resources that we have. The other good thing
about the water is if you take the water and you electrolyze it, you can
turn it into hydrogen and oxygen, and that’s rocket propellant.

It’s the key to life, but it’s also the key to transportation in the
solar system. So water is the key to everything. We’re really looking
for water when we go into outer space. It’s the most important resource
that we can find at this time.


How big would the first settlements be in the future?

At the beginning, it would be governments from many nations. Just like
we have the International Space Station, we would send astronauts funded
by the governments, and they would be the pioneers. And the pioneers
would set up the base and prove that everything works and they are
highly trained individuals that would get the base up and running.

Once we have the base proven and it works and everything is up and
running, then we would open it up to other people commercial entities,
tourists, researchers, scientists, and anybody really who has the money
to go. And so then it would turn into a commercial enterprise after the
initial stages.

Once the government has established that it’s possible, then it turns
into a public-private partnership and it gets handed off to commercial
space. And then the private market takes over, and then we start
creating what we call cis-lunar economy—which is the space between the
Earth and the moon that would become a new sphere of economic influence.
So in other words, an economy would develop in space where we would use
the local resources in space and commercial activity would start
happening on the moon and in orbits, in the orbits of the moon, and
eventually onto Mars.

Ths interview has been edited for length and clarity.


NASA Tech Will Help Save the Star-

What’s extreme about the environment?

First of all, on the moon for example, the thermal temperature swings
are extreme. You can go from plus 125 Celsius to minus 130 Celsius
[negative 202 to plus 257 degrees Fahrenheit] just by going from the
lighted areas to the shadowed areas—temperature drops dramatically.

Then of course you’re in a vacuum. There’s no atmosphere. It’s a pure
vacuum. Then on top of that, you have to deal with radiation from deep
space. There’s two types of radiation—there’s solar particle vents come
from the Sun and then there’s galactic cosmic rays coming from deep
space. On top of that, there are micrometeorites that come in on the
moon. There’s also moonquakes where you have to design your structures
to be capable of surviving a small moonquake. And so, this is what we
call an extreme environment. So anytime you design for extreme
environments, it’s a new kind of a design.

What would buildings be made from?

So we plan to build all of those with local resources, indigenous
materials. In the first phase, we’ll probably bring out modules that are
fabricated on Earth and then we’ll put those underneath the shelters
which are fabricated locally out of regolith—regolith is a crushed rock
that you find on the surface of the moon and Mars. And then later on as
the technology evolves, then we won’t bring anything from Earth anymore.
We’ll be Earth independent. We’ll be completely self-sufficient and
we’ll be able to send just a few robots up because we have large amounts
of energy from the sun and large amounts of materials from the moon or
the planet Mars.

3D printing seems to be the leading candidate right now for [building]
these structures. It would be large robotic 3D printers that we deploy
in space or we could even 3D print the 3D printer. So, bring a small 3D
printer that 3D prints the components and then assemble a large 3D
printer then use that large 3D printer to build a large structure.

We’re developing the technology—we’re not ready to go today—but we’re
developing the technology so in the future we could go and build
infrastructure in space.

How would people grow food?

Turns out, that you can grow food very efficiently using LED lights.
We’ve done research that shows that purple light is the best light—the
certain wavelength spectrum of light that the plants grow very well in.
We use hydroponics. We use aeroponics as well. And we’re researching
maybe it’s even possible to grow the plants in the local soil that’s
available on the moon and Mars, but that’s still research-level. That
has not been proven yet.

We’re definitely going to have farms in space for two reasons. We need
the food for the crew, and we also have significant psychological
advantages to having plants in space. That's been proven on the
International Space Station.

Where would people get water?

The water is available in space, but it has to be mined. The water is in
the soil. You have to dig up the soil and extract the water from the
soil. And then you have to purify it because the water has some
contaminants in it. So once you’ve mined the soil that we call regolith,
the crushed rock, but it also has water in it on Mars and the moon. So
this is one of the main resources that we have. The other good thing
about the water is if you take the water and you electrolyze it, you can
turn it into hydrogen and oxygen, and that’s rocket propellant.

It’s the key to life, but it’s also the key to transportation in the
solar system. So water is the key to everything. We’re really looking
for water when we go into outer space. It’s the most important resource
that we can find at this time.

How big would the first settlements be in the future?

At the beginning, it would be governments from many nations. Just like
we have the International Space Station, we would send astronauts funded
by the governments, and they would be the pioneers. And the pioneers
would set up the base and prove that everything works and they are
highly trained individuals that would get the base up and running.

Once we have the base proven and it works and everything is up and
running, then we would open it up to other people commercial entities,
tourists, researchers, scientists, and anybody really who has the money
to go. And so then it would turn into a commercial enterprise after the
initial stages.

Once the government has established that it’s possible, then it turns
into a public-private partnership and it gets handed off to commercial
space. And then the private market takes over, and then we start
creating what we call cis-lunar economy—which is the space between the
Earth and the moon that would become a new sphere of economic influence.
So in other words, an economy would develop in space where we would use
the local resources in space and commercial activity would start
happening on the moon and in orbits, in the orbits of the moon, and
eventually onto Mars.

Ths interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Herbert Glazier

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Dec 17, 2017, 2:00:16 PM12/17/17
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GOP Mafia made sure in the end of shuttles we would have to pay commies to get to the ISS only 200 miles up.They stole 2 billion bucks each year for 43 years WOW During that time our president Trump paid not a dime in taxes.Lived better than any other man WOW. Trump proved he is 100% scam.He will promise you the moon.You will be lucky if you get a meat ball.Where is the wall? Can kim a friend of AA get a free pair of glasses.No That is reality.Trump is bull shit of the first order.TreBert

hanson

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Dec 17, 2017, 2:31:04 PM12/17/17
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So, Glazier, it looks like, ...given your you malfeasant,
phony & devious posts, ... that you did not only got run
out of Florida, then out of Boston, but now also out of
Fullerton, then out of Huntington Beach and now the
jig is up for you being also hounded out of Anaheim CA.
which must be for similarly reasons of why & when you

<reber_A.H...@gmail.com> which anagrams to
<herbert...@gmail.com> cried crocodile tears,
on 7-Dec-2017, and regretted to have elected himself
to be/come a homeless bum & vagrant in Anaheim CA,
when <http://tinyurl.com/The-Chosen-Graveyard-Vandal>
Glazier could have been the big shot in a plush Jewish
Retirement resort on the East Coast in exchange for
that whole block of residential properties & that hangar
full of valuable collector cars, in Boston, that Glazier
bragged to be the owner of.... ,
>
However, it appears that Glazier's crying really stem
from Bert's refusal to admit and apologize for
<https://tinyurl.com/Glazier-s-sexual-harassments>,
while <http://tinyurl.com/Glazier-s-de-Minting > goes
on & <http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier-s-Undertaker>
waits with the gruesome end that she has in store for Bert.

Mark Earnest

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Dec 17, 2017, 2:55:43 PM12/17/17
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On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:04:48 AM UTC-6, a425couple wrote:
> really buggy & jumpy
>
> http://www.newsweek.com/life-moon-nasa-technologist-describes-our-future-lunar-colony-750286
>
> LIFE ON THE MOON: NASA TECHNOLOGIST DESCRIBES OUR FUTURE LUNAR COLONY
> BY SYDNEY PEREIRA ON 12/16/17 AT 10:10 AM
>
> President Donald Trump signed a directive this week that includes an
> initiative to send astronauts to the moon—and eventually to Mars. Humans
> have not been on the moon since 1972.


When we all go to live on the Moon some day it will have to be underground to protect us from meteorites and cosmic rays--and there are lots of lava tunnels there already so excavation will not even be necessary.

Bast

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Dec 17, 2017, 3:37:04 PM12/17/17
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a425couple wrote:
> really buggy & jumpy
>
> http://www.newsweek.com/life-moon-nasa-technologist-describes-our-future-lunar-colony-750286
>
> LIFE ON THE MOON: NASA TECHNOLOGIST DESCRIBES OUR FUTURE LUNAR COLONY
> BY SYDNEY PEREIRA ON 12/16/17 AT 10:10 AM
>
> President Donald Trump signed a directive this week that includes an
> initiative to send astronauts to the moon-and eventually to Mars.







After NASA shit their pants,
They started dusting off the old moon set, and are searching for a new
director to overlook the filming.
As the had to get rid of Stanley Kubrick to keep him quiet about the hoax


A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To the Moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4




Bast

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Dec 17, 2017, 4:54:15 PM12/17/17
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One Giant Lie For Mankind - AstroNots Gone Nowhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgI5fndnBXA



Double-A

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Dec 17, 2017, 5:41:29 PM12/17/17
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That is a good thought. But would your really want to go live in a place where you would know you could never go outside for a breath of fresh air? Makes me feel short of breath just thinking about it!

Double-A

Mark Earnest

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Dec 18, 2017, 2:13:00 PM12/18/17
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I bet basketball on the Moon would be fun--you could jump to the ceiling of the gym and throw the ball down into the basket!

casagi...@optonline.net

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Dec 18, 2017, 3:54:51 PM12/18/17
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It's been about 4 decades since man set foot on the moon, and it took
something much bigger than the statue of liberty to do it.

Incredible waste of resouces. Mars and other completely out of the
question. Settlements? LOL !

There's nothing in our solar system remotely conducive to ongoing
life.

It's about 150 millennia to reach the very nearest star with our
fastest space probe so far ! ( less than 2 millennia since the Roman
empire ! ) Chances of a "nice" planet being there very small.

Don't hold your breath ...

Double-A

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Dec 18, 2017, 4:52:04 PM12/18/17
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And think of football and how far you could throw or kick the ball! They could expand the field to a full mile!

Double-A

Herbert Glazier

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Dec 18, 2017, 5:41:04 PM12/18/17
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Golf ball left on the moon using an iron Trebert

hanson

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Dec 18, 2017, 9:09:49 PM12/18/17
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Glazier, you said yesterday that the jig is up for you.
>
Have you already forgotten?. <doub...@hush.com> AA
Abner, the "Alcoholic Addict", who is your "Ass Angel" &
your "Asshole Ambassador", who wants to be like you,
will shortly remind you that your jig is up.
Pay attention to AA no matter how many times, you...
<http://tinyurl.com/Glazier-the-loud-retarded-pig> alias
>
"reber G=emc^2" <herbert...@gmail.com> writes:
"My Grandfathers had tails". -- Trebert
"Most have one tail. Some have two, (WOW)
"That is reality and it's a given" Trebert
"I park & bark in the dark. I'm of low wit & a stupid shit."
"I feel very safe when I lie. I will lie till I die. Trebert."
"Being Jewish I know this is so very true" -- Bert.
I predict <http://tinyurl.com/SwineBert-s-WRONG-Predictions>
>

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