Presidential Election - Magi Astrology
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Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and figure
out which one will be elected.
I am finally got rid of my pessimism in regards to the presidential
election. I felt that my ability to check out the election was
hampered by it. I also felt that I couldn't be impartial with my
being a liberal Democrat desiring an Obama victory. I figured Bush
would get elected the last 2 elections, and so I am capable of being
impartial. Magi Astrology was used.
MAGI ASTROLOGY TRANSITS AND SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS FOR JOHN MCCAIN
AND BARACK OBAMA
When it came to transits, I only looked at planets, Mars and more
distant
activation transits(positive): conjunction,trine,bidirectional
quincunx,parallel...also contraparallel(unless it involves Saturn)
turbulent transits(negative): square,quincunx
McCain's Activation Transits:
McCain has Venus square Chiron in his Chart
Transiting Neptune forms a Super Cinderella Mystic Triangle transit
with it by quincunxing his Venus and trining his Chiron
According to Magi Astrology, whenever a quincunx transit involves a
retrograde planet, it is a bidirectional aspect,and that is
considered an activation transit.....transiting Neptune is
retrograde, and so
Transiting Neptune quincunx McCain's Venus is an activation transit
It is very interesting how McCain referred to Sarah Palin as his
soulmate. He announced her as his running mate during the Super
Cinderella transit. Transiting Chiron was birdirectionally quincunx
his Neptune for another Cinderella transit at the time. Magi Society
says that we meet our soulmates during the times that we have
Cinderella transits.
natal Venus square Chiron:
This is a Super Aspect and the most significant Romance Aspect. Some
interpretations: charismatic beauty,love of family and marriage,
strong marriage and family orientation, a career involved with making
money, love for the New Age and what is part of the New Age and what
is a part of the New Age, money from marriage and family, money from
endeavors that are ruled by Chiron and what has to do with the
public, and a charismatic amount of money. The native is almost
always in love with being in love and therefore always needs to be in
a love relationship, resulting in a tendency to fall in love easily.
Transiting Neptune trine Chiron:
one of the best aspects for business, it provides the highest level
of financial security,especially from Neptunian sources and endeavors
Transiting Neptune quincunx Venus:
one of the most powerful Super Aspects in terms of making
money,especially from Neptunian endeavors. By all means, maneuver
your schedule and plans to try to include this aspect in all business
charts, especially employment charts. This is a great aspect under
which to start a job! It is even useful to initiate small business
matters with this aspect, such as opening a bank or brokerage account
especially an IRA or pension account). It is also the best aspect
time to commit to any purchase over a period of time, such as buying
a house on a mortgage or a car on credit. This aspect will help you
make you all the payments.
McCain has Mars parallel Chiron, and transiting Pluto contraparallels
both to form a Super Chiron Activation Transit
Mars parallel Chiron:
One of the Male Sexual Aspects, it creates the ultimate high energy
level, generates more pure energy than any other aspect,and rates as
a Super Sports Champion Aspect (a term from Astrology Works!). But
the Chiron-Mars aspect does not help coordination in the way that
Venus-Mars aspect does. The native needs aspects that help
coordination in order to most beneficially harness the energy this
aspect provides. If this aspect is not well used and controlled
through moral teachings, there can be constant moral slippage toward
excessive aggressiveness, and even belligerency.
Transiting Pluto contraparallel Chiron:
a Super Aspect endows extraordinary profit-making power. This is a
great enhancement to have in any electional chart. We call this
enhancement the STAR WARS enhancement because the movie was released
under such an enhancement.
Transiting Pluto contraparallel Mars:
a very helpful aspect to have in any business chart;it helps provide
the energy and drive needed for success. It also provides a special
ability to be competitive in business.
Transiting Chiron trine Ascendant:
a very helpful aspect when it comes to business; it is most helpful
in technology,entertainment,and inventions.
McCain has Jupiter contraparallel Pluto,and transiting Jupiter
contraparallel Pluto and parallel Pluto....a Super Success Transit
Jupiter contraparallel Pluto:
This is the most powerful Super Aspect when it comes to helping the
native achieve success in Pluto matters, such as big business and
power. The native is never satisfied and will always push to
accumulate wealth and power
Transiting Jupiter contraparallel Pluto:
one of the best aspects to include in any business chart,especially
when starting a job,business,or corporation
Transiting Jupiter parallel Jupiter:
success
Transiting Saturn parallel Uranus:
can be helpful in achieving dominance in areas ruled by Uranus,but
not as good as the Jupiter-Uranus enhancement aspect
Transiting Uranus contraparallel Neptune
- good for business
John McCain's Turbulent Transits:
Transiting Saturn oppose Saturn
Transiting Saturn contraparallel Saturn
(Saturn-Saturn Eclipse Turbulent Transit)
- a time to be viewed disfavorably,bad luck,control issues
Magi Society also believes that Saturn is the planet of deception and
not Neptune.
Transiting Neptune quincunx Chiron - it's exact too!
- bad,bad,and bad; no money,no resources, and no talent. It is not
something you want in a business chart.
(note: it's not bidirectional quincunx transit like it was when he
announced Sarah Palin as his running mate....therefore it's not a
Cinderella Transit)
Transiting Pluto square Mercury
- problems with big business and communications, issues with power
Transiting Uranus oppose Neptune
- problems with business
Secondary Progressions:
SP Mars trine Natal Moon:
This aspect is representative of a person that is highly
emotional,enthusiastic,never at a loss for initiative,can be
susceptible to being hyper,and can't stay put. It is this aspect that
is associated with a person who taps a table with the end of a pencil
incessantly.
SP Mercury square Natal Mars:
- the EXPRESS YOURSELF ASPECT, this person holds nothing back and
will not be silent;if there is a problem, you will know about it fast-
--fast. This individual is also highly intelligent, has great
reflexes,is very coordinated,has a lightning mind with a natural
ability to score high on aptitude and IQ tests, and is very
communicative, Women with this aspect have a tendency to communicate
in a masculine way,sometimes even in a vulgar fashion. Also this
aspect helps reduce the chances of respiratory ailments.
SP Mars contraparallel Natal Mercury:
- the EXPRESS YOURSELF ASPECT, this person holds nothing back and
will not be silent;if there is a problem, you will know about it fast-
--fast. This individual is also highly intelligent, has great
reflexes,is very coordinated,has a lightning mind with a natural
ability to score high on aptitude and IQ tests, and is very
communicative, Women with this aspect have a tendency to communicate
in a masculine way,sometimes even in a vulgar fashion. Also this
aspect helps reduce the chances of respiratory ailments.
SP Sun contraparallel SP Chiron:
- This is one of the most powerful aspects that is not a Super
Aspect. It helps the native to be noteworthy and/or charismatic. If
the native also has a Super Aspect formed by Chiron, then he or she
can have a hypnotic or mesmerizing influence on most of us. This is
also a Female Romance Aspect where the native (person born with the
aspect), if female, has an unusually intense desire for marriage and
children. Such women often marry and have children when they are very
young.
SP Venus oppose SP Chiron:
This is a Super Aspect and the most significant Romance Aspect. Some
interpretations: charismatic beauty,love of family and marriage,
strong marriage and family orientation, a career involved with making
money, love for the New Age and what is part of the New Age and what
is a part of the New Age, money from marriage and family, money from
endeavors that are ruled by Chiron and what has to do with the
public, and a charismatic amount of money. The native is almost
always in love with being in love and therefore always needs to be in
a love relationship, resulting in a tendency to fall in love easily.
To sum it up: John McCain can be viewed as somebody that Americans
look up to,trust,and could do no wrong. This seems like it can be
connected to his being a war hero who is needed during this time of
War against Terrorism and the War in Iraq. On the other hand,it also
shows that he will be viewed disfavorably by many. There is a
possibility of deception and fraud that could involve the election.
There will definitely be a lot of people who will be very
dissatisfied with his being elected. It could also indicate that
after he gets elected, it could be too much for him and could be very
stressful for him. The exact transiting Neptune quincunx his Chiron
seems to indicate the financial crisis that he will have to deal with
as president. He could also end up being viewed as powerful
warmongerer. It is a time where he is more hotheaded than usual
(Secondary Progressed Mercury square Natal Mars and Secondary Mars
contraparallel Natal Mercury - a double focus Mercury-Mars secondary
progression)
Possible health problems too with transiting Saturn in his 12th
opposing his Saturn in 6th and transiting Pluto in his 3rd square
his Mercury in 12th. There is a definitely a possibility of an age-
related mental health crisis. I am very concerned that his age and
possibly bad health will affect his work and his judgment.
I couldn't help noticing that transiting Eris is exactly(0 minutes of
arc) sesquiquadrate to his Sun on Election Day which indicates a time
of controversy and discord which can also be connected to diversity
issues. This makes sense,his election would prevent the historical
election of the first black president(in Obama's case,half black). I
certainly don't like the exact Saturn-Uranus opposition which is
accompanied by Saturn contraparallel Uranus(therefore Saturn-Uranus
eclipse) on Election Day. That seems like a lot of disruption and
tension.
Barack Obama
Activation Transits:
Transiting Chiron conjunct his Ascendant:
- a very helpful aspect when it comes to business;it is most helpful
in technology,entertainment,and inventions
Transiting Uranus contraparallel Neptune:
- good for business
Turbulent Transits:
Transiting Neptune quincunx Mars:
- a very,very bad aspect to have in any business chart. Creates
a "scorched Earth policy" and willingness to "cut off one's nose to
spite the face."
Transiting Pluto oppose Venus:
- trying to make money in this aspect's time is like trying to swim
up Niagara Falls; don't try to buck the odds. Almost no successful
company has this aspect.
Secondary Progressions:
SP Venus parallel Natal Neptune
This is a Super Aspect. There's money,money,money---usually lots of
it and often inherited. It is the aspect that is most indicative of
significant inheritances. It also signifies money from other long-
term sources,such as real estate,copywrights,and patents,and health-
related fields. This is also a Romance Aspect, with the native being
generally a highly romantic person and gentle person. The native is
very idealistic in love, wants to have only one lover, and is very
faithful. If you want to marry a millionaire, this is one of the
aspects to look for in your prospect; once you find one, we hope the
two of you have Romantic Super Linkages.
SP Neptune contraparallel Natal Uranus
- good for business
SP Venus conjunct/parallel SP Uranus (Venus-Uranus eclipse)
- A SUPER ASPECT; the native is often a famous beauty who is
photogenic,luminous,radiant,and glowing. There is a desire for
change, including change of loved ones and the ever-present desire
for excitement. This aspect appears often with swingers and those who
have married more than several times, and deserves to be called THE
FLING ASPECT. For a man,this is the aspect of the eternal bachelor.
For a woman, this indicates a girl who wants to have fun; and who is
adaptable,attractive,and often is very successful in the
entertainment industry, If the personal aspect is a turbulent angle,
the native's love resembles the end of bungee cord,and defines long
term as the weekend.
(This might indicate Obama's theme of change as well as his viewed as
a celebrity who is well-liked by celebrities....McCain did cast him
as the most famous celebrity in the world)
SP Mercury square SP Saturn:
- Most of the time,the native has the ability to focus attention on a
project and bring to bear scientific thinking; the native is
naturally inclined to the empirical ways of science, as opposed to
using intuitive skills or seeking spiritual guidance. The native
often has a disdain for arts and creative pursuits
SP Mars square SP Saturn:
- All personal aspects are helpful,but this one ranks near the bottom
of the list. It is helpful in providing above-average stamina and not
much else.
Conclusion: Obama is charismatic and has strong financial ability,
but he won't be elected due because of overall distrust. There can
be a perception that he can't handle the economy as well as being too
idealistic and naive. I believe that "cut off one's nose to spite
the face" applies more to a lot of people that will vote against
their best interest by voting against him.
I believe that John McCain will be the next president of the United
States.
John McCain has the advantage over Barack Obama because the transits
form better planetary geometry including a Super Cinderella Mystic
Triangle Transit as well as 2 Chiron Secondary Progression Aspects.
Barack Obama has only 2 activation transits including 1 Chiron
activation transit which Magi Society are good for overall success
when it comes to the public. Magi Society believes that Chiron is
important for noteworthiness and charisma which can help in politics
because it seems like these people can do no wrong even though they
could be corrupt. President Bush has Moon-Jupiter-Chiron
conjunction. He also has Jupiter parallel Chiron,and so he has a
Jupiter-Chiron eclipse(Jupiter conjunct/parallel Chiron).
aspect interpretations are from Magi Society's THE KEY TO SUCCESS IN
LOVE AND MONEY
Raymond
EHWol...@aol.com
Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
Is this the chart you are using?
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I wanted to make a correction that he doesn't have a bidirection
quincunx transit of transiting Neptune to his natal Venus. He still
has a Super Cinderella Transit because Transiting Neptune enchancement
to his Chiron even though it makes a clash to his Venus.
the intepretation for
Neptune quincunx Venus clash
it is rare for a business or a deal to succeed in this aspect time,so
don't try to buck the trend;it means loss of money over the long term
and persistent losses. it creates money pit.
USA has Sun in Cancer square Saturn in Libra
this aspect seems to indicate that this is a conservative,patriotic
nation that can involve structured and even limited justice
a Cancer planet in turbulent aspect can indicate emotional
biases,prejudices
transiting Jupiter in Capricorn is forming a t-square with it
To me, that seems like self righteous conservativism as well as
patriarchal religious issues in conflict with the
conservative,patriotic nation and aggravating emotional
biases,prejudices
Magi Society interprets Sun square Saturn:
Both the enhancement and the turbulent aspects are among the worst
timres for anything to do with love and money; fortunately, they do
not last long, so it is easy bide your time and bypass such aspects.
Both aspects are a sign of self-destructiveness unique to the Saturn-
Sun aspect. Marriages and businesses with any Sun-Saturn aspect are
most likely to blow up from internal causes. This is singularly the
worst aspect for any endeavor. Success can come, but at a great price
and is rarely enduring. The more likely outcome is that Saturn somehow
makes a relationship or business highly susceptible to disruptions and
crises that are rooted primarily within.
Transiting Jupiter oppose USA's Sun
- very harmful in business charts, this aspect creates overspending
and overexpansion, eventually leading to financial disaster
Transiting Jupiter square USA's Saturn
- no matter which planet is applying,this is bad, it creates
immorality and failure and is not good for any chart
aka NUCLEAR CLASH Transit
so Transiting Jupiter has been forming a SUPER NUCLEAR CLASH TRANSIT T-
square with USA's Sun square Saturn, and that indicate the big
financial crisis that we are in right now.
I also wonder
if our founding fathers were into Astrology, why in the world did they
sign the Declaration of Independence during a Sun square Saturn with
retrograde Mercury going on?
They certainly didn't know about Pluto. USA has retrograde Mercury in
Cancer oppose Pluto in Capricorn which seems to me trust issues that
connected to domestic things,authority,government,conspiracy
theories....afflicted Cancer planets could indicate possible emotional
biases,prejudices.
The truth is the Declaration of Independence was not written for
everybody in mind.
Transiting Pluto is contraparalleling Mercury right now,and that adds
to the issues of the natal aspect.
I couldn't help noticing USA has Mars square Neptune which fits
transiting Neptune quincunx Obama's Mars on Election Day
too bad the founding fathers didn't know about Neptune too!
Magi Society inteprets turbulent Mars-Neptune as a very,very bad
aspect to have in any business chart. creates "scorched earth" policy
and willingness to cut off one's nose to spite the facethat's what
many Americans would be doing if they vote against their best
interests by voting against Obama because of his race or perceived
religion. That's what was said of some Hillary supporters who said
that they would vote for McCain after Obama got the democratic
nomination.
Transiting Neptune is trining USA's Mars
- helpful in Neptunian endeavors,but it has the side effect of
overaggressiveness;it is better not to have it
(this could pertain to the War in Iraq, and the finances that involve
that...but also the aggressive presidential election
campaigning...especially...when it involves USA's economy
Transiting Chiron is trining USA's Saturn
- although there are a few successful businesses that have this
aspect, we do not recommend it. It can help a business venture in
Chiron areas, but there is a price to pay; the workplace of this
business is not a happy environment, and employees are more likely to
be disloyal
(seems appropriate for politicans not getting along during the
financial crisis...especially partisan divisions)
Transiting Jupiter is contraparalleling USA's Sun
- corporations born under this aspect are very fair and generous
employers,with the workplace being a great place to be because it is a
sea of tranquility. Employees will be most loyal to businesses with
this aspect,but try to add a Venus-and Pluto based Super Aspect as
well
(seems like the time for teamwork...bipartisan teamwork to pass the
bailout bill to help deal with the financial crisis)
Election Day's Aspects
Election Day transits to USA's Chart
Election Day's Jupiter trine Saturn forms a Mystic Triangle Clash
Transit with USA's Chiron by Election Day's Jupiter squaring USA's
Chiron and Election Day's Saturn quincunx Chiron for a HEARTBREAK
CLASH TRANSIT
Election Day's Jupiter trine USA's Saturn:
- if Saturn is not APPLYING toward Jupier, this is a helpful aspect.
If Saturn is applying toward Jupiter,this aspect is a problem and you
should make certain to avoid it any electional chart
(it's an applying aspect...so could be bad)
Election Day's Jupiter square USA's Chiron:
- although this aspect can provide power and success, there is an
eventual downfall,making this the aspect of the Fallen Angel.
Obviously,you do not want this aspect in a business chart.
(this seems to me that if McCain gets elected, there can be a feeling
of success that will eventually turn into regret.....this could seem
like USA's standing in the world could slip further down)
Election Day's Saturn quincunx USA's Chiron:
- this is one of the worst activations to have for business matters;
avoid natalizing this aspect under any circumstances
aka THE HEARTBREAK CLASH TRANSIT
(this could indicate a time of great disappointment for many as well
as could significant problems that can plague the nation)
Election Day's Saturn square USA's Mars:
- harmful and must be avoided; a business begun under this aspect is
very prone to internal strife and bickering among employees and
partners. This is a sign of the workplace that resembles a battlefield
(this seems like there will be a lot of angry people after McCain gets
elected. It also seem like there could end up being a lot of bickering
in McCain's administration. Maybe McCain and Palin might end up
disliking each other later on. Maybe McCain's administration will have
problems with loyalty....it also seems like the warmonger aspect)
Symmetrical Planetary Geometry
Transiting Neptune forms a Yod with USA's Mercury sextile Neptune
Election Day's Neptune quincunx Mercury
- this seems like it could be bad for both finances and
communications
Election Day's Neptune quincunx Neptune
- this seems like it could be bad for finances
Election Day's Jupiter contraparallel USA's Uranus
- A Super Aspect, this is one of the best aspects to have in a chart
of a business that is involved in Uranian affairs,including
entertainment,broadcasting,aerospace,and astrology.
Election Day
T-square of Venus square Saturn-Uranus opposition
- seems like a very bad financial time...and just a bad aspect for
economy
Venus square Saturn
- not good for trying to make money because this aspect usually
contracts money,and is intepreted as "contraction of money"
Venus square Uranus
- this aspect can produce streaks of profits and streaks of heavy
losses,where ultimately the losses exceed the gains. Obviously,it is a
not a good aspect for a business chart
Saturn oppose/contraparallel Uranus (Saturn-Uranus eclipse)
- a very bad aspect to have in a business chart,it is unsettling and
persistently creates upheavals,both from within and through outside
forces. Do not start a job or business during this aspect time.
Saturn quincunx Chiron
- - this is one of the worst activations to have for business matters;
avoid natalizing this aspect under any circumstances
aka THE HEARTBREAK CLASH TRANSIT
(Election Day's Saturn quincunxes USA's Chiron too...this could
indicate a time of great disappointment for many as well as could
significant problems that can plague the nation)
Mars trine Uranus
- this aspect is very helpful, specifically for any endeavor that is
ruled by Uranus and Mars, such as sportscasting,but not much else. You
do not want this aspect if you want to stay put and not
travel;interestingly enough,sportscasting requires constant travel
Mars square Neptune
- a very,very bad aspect to have in any business chart. creates a
"scorched earth policy" and willingness to "cut off one's nose to
spite the face"
(USA has the same exact aspect, Obama has transiting Neptune quincunx
his Mars on Election Day......this seems like a strong possibility of
many people voting against their best interests by voting against
him)
Saturn quincunx Neptune
- a very bad aspect for any business chart, it reduces financial
wherewithal,inhibits creativity,and shortens lifespan.
(This seems like a very bad thing for money,economy as well as could
indicate healthcare issues)
Mars parallel Pluto
- a very helpful aspect to have in any business chart; it helps
provide energy and drive needed for success. It also provides a
special ability to be competitive in business
Interpretations from Magi Society's THE KEY TO SUCCESS IN LOVE AND
MONEY
My Conclusion is this is a very bad day to hold an election,and it
will lead to very bad results. The Presidential Election Results will
be bad for the economy and we will be striving hard to be competitive
as well as more focused on war.
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No need for you to tell me....
I hope that you're right
I am a liberal Democrat, and I hope for an Obama victory
I am trying to be impartial .......can't let biases affect my
astrological judgment
Raymond
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>
> Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and figure
> out which one will be elected.
>
>
> I am finally got rid of my pessimism in regards to the presidential
> election. I felt that my ability to check out the election was
> hampered by it. I also felt that I couldn't be impartial with my
> being a liberal Democrat desiring an Obama victory. I figured Bush
> would get elected the last 2 elections, and so I am capable of being
> impartial. Magi Astrology was used.
>
>
I applaud your attempt to remove personal bias from your astrological
appraisal of the election prospects, Raymond. It's hard to be impartial when
we have a partisan bias - and we all do, to some degree or another. It's a
little easier for Libertarians, never really having a dog in the hunt.
Whether "Magi Astrology" is the most appropriate tool for this or any other
analysis is the more fundamental question. Perhaps you'll address that one
sometime . . .
--
Richard
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> On Oct 1, 8:16 pm, EHWollm...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > On Oct 1, 8:00 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and figure
> > > out which one will be elected.
> > Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
> > Is this the chart you are using?http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/chart_display.htm
> No need for you to tell me....
> I hope that you're right
> I am a liberal Democrat, and I hope for an Obama victory
> I am trying to be impartial .......can't let biases affect my
> astrological judgment
> Raymond
True. But if I might suggest you use a little less complex method. In
other words employ some inuited thinking along with some conclusions
you come to.
For example; what are the most prominent aspects at election time
(just planets no asteroids) and who does that aspect connect to more
favorably?
Also, I always follow and know as much about the issue at hand,
because no matter how astrologically competant we may be we cannot use
astrology on something we know little to nothing about.
Thanks for the astro posts.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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> On Oct 2, 8:38 am, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 1, 8:16 pm, EHWollm...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > On Oct 1, 8:00 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and
>> > > figure out which one will be elected.
>
>> > Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
>
>> > Is this the chart you are
>> > using?http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/cha
> rt_display.htm
>
>> No need for you to tell me....
>> I hope that you're right
>> I am a liberal Democrat, and I hope for an Obama victory
>> I am trying to be impartial .......can't let biases affect my
>> astrological judgment
>
>> Raymond
>
> True. But if I might suggest you use a little less complex method. In
> other words employ some inuited thinking along with some conclusions
> you come to.
By all means, employ the inuits and their creative thinking. Governor
Palin will appreciate your support.
> For example; what are the most prominent aspects at election time
> (just planets no asteroids) and who does that aspect connect to more
> favorably?
Tits are usually the most prominent aspects at election time, Edmo.
> Also, I always follow and know as much about the issue at hand,
> because no matter how astrologically competant we may be we cannot use
> astrology on something we know little to nothing about.
Since you know practically nothing in the first place, how exactly is
"astrological competence" defined?
Edmond Wollmann
>
> On Oct 2, 8:38 am, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 1, 8:16 pm, EHWollm...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > On Oct 1, 8:00 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and figure
> > > > out which one will be elected.
>
> > > Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
>
> > > Is this the chart you are using?http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/chart_display.htm
>
> > No need for you to tell me....
> > I hope that you're right
> > I am a liberal Democrat, and I hope for an Obama victory
> > I am trying to be impartial .......can't let biases affect my
> > astrological judgment
>
> > Raymond
>
> True. But if I might suggest you use a little less complex method. In
> other words employ some inuited thinking along with some conclusions
> you come to.
> For example; what are the most prominent aspects at election time
> (just planets no asteroids) and who does that aspect connect to more
> favorably?
> Also, I always follow and know as much about the issue at hand,
> because no matter how astrologically competant we may be we cannot use
> astrology on something we know little to nothing about.
>
> Thanks for the astro posts.
In other words, how did THEY look at it?
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Edmond Wollmann <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> EHWol...@aol.com wrote:
> >
>
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arctur...@earthlink.net
> On Oct 1, 8:00 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and figure
> > out which one will be elected.
> > States.
> Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
Final aspect: Moon sextile Pluto at critical degree.
"His arguments are as thin as the soup made from the shadow of a
pigeon that
starved to death." Abraham Lincoln on Douglas' debating ability.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2008 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
The Chief Instigator
> On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, EHWollm...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Oct 1, 8:00 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and figure
>> > out which one will be elected.
>> > I believe that John McCain will be the next president of the United
>> > States.
>
>> Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
>
> Final aspect: Moon sextile Pluto at critical degree.
So, when are you emigrating?
--
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www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
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Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:slrngh2icu....@eris.io.com:
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:12:03 -0800 (PST), arctur...@earthlink.net
> <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, EHWollm...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Oct 1, 8:00 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and
>>> > figure out which one will be elected.
>>> > I believe that John McCain will be the next president of the
>>> > United States.
>>
>>> Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
>>
>> Final aspect: Moon sextile Pluto at critical degree.
>
> So, when are you emigrating?
"Migrating to" or "migrating from"?
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The Chief Instigator
> The Chief Instigator <pat...@io.com> wrote in
> news:slrngh2icu....@eris.io.com:
>
>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:12:03 -0800 (PST), arctur...@earthlink.net
>> <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, EHWollm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Oct 1, 8:00 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and
>>>> > figure out which one will be elected.
>>>> > I believe that John McCain will be the next president of the
>>>> > United States.
>>>
>>>> Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
>>>
>>> Final aspect: Moon sextile Pluto at critical degree.
>>
>> So, when are you emigrating?
>
> "Migrating to" or "migrating from"?
It depends on the direction...since Wollkook would be going anywhere but
this country, he'd be emigrating. In the opposite direction, he'd be
immigrating. (There has to be a suitable uninhabited atoll out in the
Pacific that he can live on.)
The Chief Instigator
> On 07 Nov 2008 15:03:51 GMT, in alt.astrology, The Chief Instigator
><pat...@io.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:36:07 +0000 (UTC), Cujo DeSockpuppet <cu...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>>> The Chief Instigator <pat...@io.com> wrote in
>>> news:slrngh2icu....@eris.io.com:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:12:03 -0800 (PST), arctur...@earthlink.net
>>>> <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, EHWollm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 1, 8:00 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and
>>>>>> > figure out which one will be elected.
>>>>>> > I believe that John McCain will be the next president of the
>>>>>> > United States.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Final aspect: Moon sextile Pluto at critical degree.
>>>>
>>>> So, when are you emigrating?
>>>
>>> "Migrating to" or "migrating from"?
>>
>>It depends on the direction...since Wollkook would be going anywhere but
>>this country, he'd be emigrating. In the opposite direction, he'd be
>>immigrating. (There has to be a suitable uninhabited atoll out in the
>>Pacific that he can live on.)
>
> ever do to you?
Not much, aside from getting my feet wet in it on our first visit to Los
Angeles...and considering it's Wollmann, the farther south, the better.
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Cujo DeSockpuppet
Anything south of Tierra Del Fuego is fine by me.
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el...@no.spam
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cu...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>>> Final aspect: Moon sextile Pluto at critical degree.
>>
>> So, when are you emigrating?
>
>"Migrating to" or "migrating from"?
Head up his ass doesn't count?
el...@no.spam
The Chief Instigator <pat...@io.com> wrote:
>> Anything south of Tierra Del Fuego is fine by me.
>SubSCRIBE!
You hate penguins that much?
charles bash
"findings" about the forthcoming installation of one Barack Obama as
president. There are all kinds of Negative Happenings about the
"fitness" of the guy to serve as President of USA, in regards to the
"natural born" requirement in the Constitution.
For a quick introduction of these Negatives on Barack, there is the 22nd
December issue of the 'Globe' Super Market tabloid. It is not entirely
up to dae W//R the actions in the Supreme Court.
Before you dismiss it put of hand the "Obama Story" featured on cover of
that issue, is treated at length inside the tabloid.
In brief,there are 17 lawsuits started in various state judicial
systems {and the Supreme Court}. alleging that Barack is not "natural
born" citizen.
We fans of Alt.Politics.Immigration have been discussing this story
since at least August 15th.
Three books have been written and published in 2008 and a fourth one is
due anytime now,
They have a strongly Negative tone about Obama. The Main Stream Media
has "swept under the rug" any and all such stories that have been posted
in various small {print,} or internet publications. Nary a word printed
about the Questions arising Re: the "fitness" to serve as president, of
one Barack Obama.
I do not have time to go into detail here, but I want to encourage any
astrologers here who wish to share their findings that Auger "well" or
"not well" for Obama. I suspect that he will NOT BE SEATED as 44th
president.
C. Bash
charles bash
Final aspect. Moon sextile Pluto at critical degree.
would go on to explain to us what he means. Is that "good = or bad?"
For president -elect Obama?
I have much current interest in this.
C. Bash
Unknown
bash) wrote:
>I would appreciate it if the guy who wrote:
>Final aspect. Moon sextile Pluto at critical degree.
>would go on to explain to us what he means. Is that "good = or bad?"
>For president -elect Obama?
It means next to nothing, even in a horary (because real horaries
don't use anything but the Sun, Moon, ye olde fyve planets, lunar
nodes, angles, and houses :-).
When/if I feel like it, I'll finally look at Obama's crap (who
knows if the birth time is accurate, the year, even, etc.), and
see what looks good or bad. I didn't vote for him - he has no
experience whatsoever, and it's as if the country went fucking
insane and thinks he's kewler than Elvis and The Beatles put
together.
The day after the winner had been determined (and I had stayed
away from the news because there could have been no outcome that
wouldn't have made me want to puke), I wandered into a vintage
clothing shop and began a conversation with a really sweet young
woman minding the store. After awhile, she said she "just
know[s] things are going to get so much better now that Obama
won." I felt like hurling. I tried to explain he'd done nothing
at all in the Senate and had no experience, a bad bunch of
buddies, too - but she gushed, "His soul is SOOOOOO
BYOOOOOTIFULLL!!!"
>I have much current interest in this.
> C. Bash
My advice: Take up Survivalism, or emigrate to Canada and watch
"Duck Soup" every morning on a portable, battery run, DVD player
in your Saskachoon Woods hide-out. ;-)
Edmond Wollmann
>
> On Oct 1, 8:00 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Well..I finally decided to look at the candidate's charts and figure
> > out which one will be elected.
> >
> > States.
> >
> > form better planetary geometry including a Super Cinderella Mystic
> > Triangle Transit as well as 2 Chiron Secondary Progression Aspects.
> > Barack Obama has only 2 activation transits including 1 Chiron
> > activation transit which Magi Society are good for overall success
> > when it comes to the public. Magi Society believes that Chiron is
> > important for noteworthiness and charisma which can help in politics
> > because it seems like these people can do no wrong even though they
> > could be corrupt. President Bush has Moon-Jupiter-Chiron
> > conjunction. He also has Jupiter parallel Chiron,and so he has a
> > Jupiter-Chiron eclipse(Jupiter conjunct/parallel Chiron).
> >
> > aspect interpretations are from Magi Society's THE KEY TO SUCCESS IN
> > LOVE AND MONEY
> >
> > Raymond
> http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/chart_display.htm
Looks like another accurate prediction archived.
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Cujo DeSockpuppet
@earthlink.net:
> EHWol...@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
>> Is this the chart you are using?
>> http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/chart_display.htm
>
> Looks like another accurate prediction archived.
Like the two times you predicted Bush will lose, Pantyhead?
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A B
> EHWol...@aol.com wrote:
>> Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
>
>> Is this the chart you are using?
>> http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/chart_display.htm
>
> Looks like another accurate prediction archived.
I didn't know about that one (wasn't here then). Well done. (I don't know
if those ones Cujo mentioned were real. He doesn't give enough information
to find them.)
How did you come to that conclusion? I don't know a lot about political
astrology, but I'd like to learn. The only indication you mentioned was
"Final aspect: Moon sextile Pluto critical degree", and I've never come
across that in a political chart so I wouldn't know what it meant. I can't
remember what a "final aspect" is to be honest.
A. B.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
> "Edmond Wollmann" wrote on 30th September:
>> EHWol...@aol.com wrote:
>>> Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
>>
>>> Is this the chart you are using?
>>> http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/chart_display.htm
>>
>> Looks like another accurate prediction archived.
>
> I didn't know about that one (wasn't here then). Well done. (I don't
> know if those ones Cujo mentioned were real. He doesn't give enough
> information to find them.)
Trust me on this, Edmo predicted Bush would lose both times. It's
probably hard to find given that it's not exactly an uncommon phrase
("Bush will lose") but it'd be fun to watch Edmo deny he ever said it
either time. It was quite a bit of fun to watch the backpedal by Edmo
after the re-election of Bush as Edmo tried to waffle about Kerry winning
the popular vote. The first election might be a bit harder as Edmo
scurried away from that as soon as the results came in.
I'm sure a few folks can find it, I lack the patience and time.
> How did you come to that conclusion? I don't know a lot about
> political astrology, but I'd like to learn.
The only rule I found that seems to work is to bet against any Edmo
prediction. The ALL THAT FAILS is strong in the Kookville hovel of Edmo.
> The only indication you
> mentioned was "Final aspect: Moon sextile Pluto critical degree", and
> I've never come across that in a political chart so I wouldn't know
> what it meant. I can't remember what a "final aspect" is to be
> honest. A. B.
This will be a laugh riot if Edmo explains. Go for it, Pantyhead.
--
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"Nope, all my prophecy belongs to the logical analysis of astrological
and psychological data." - Edmo dreams of becoming a cautionary tale.
The True Edmond Wollmann
> "Edmond Wollmann" wrote on 30th September:
>
I believe I was referring to the final aspect of the moon for the
election night. Cujo is not to be considered anything but a person who
tries his best to muddy the waters, just like all the other spinics,
that why I call them spinics, because they are not skeptics, who are
simply doubting and want more facts, and they are not cynics, who
simply believe the worst about people and are always negative. A
SPINIC not only runs down the person with ad hominems, they do NOT
want any facts, are not interested in any truth, and on the contrary
WANT to "spin" the answer and the person as derogatorily as possible.
I actaully predicted the 9/11/ event but I was not confident enough to
put it into any thing other than a cryptic warning:
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/world.htm
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.paranormal/msg/2e151afa95a905cf?hl=en
I still believe George Bush lost the first election and that he was
frauded into office. I did predict however, how bad he would destroy
the country:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.newage/msg/f71cb6af21c047a4
I did predict the second one wrong, but I did not want to concede that
people were so stupid that they would re-elect him. I was wrong. They
can be profoundly stupid. As is evidenced by the 15 years of
harassment of me.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2000 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
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Anonymous
The True Edmond Wollmann <EHWol...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Edmond H. Wollmann A.s.s.h.o.l.E.
> =A9 2000 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
> Astrological Consulting http://www.smbtech.com/ed
URL fixed.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:8a3e3989-24a0-495a...@a7g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:
Yeah, I remind Edmo of all the various kookfarts he's spouted. How dare
I! It's always time for popcorn when Ed tries to lie about it.
> just like all the other spinics,
> that why I call them spinics, because they are not skeptics, who are
> simply doubting and want more facts,
Like you've ever supplied any when called on your onager assertions!
> and they are not cynics, who
> simply believe the worst about people and are always negative. A
> SPINIC not only runs down the person with ad hominems, they do NOT
> want any facts, are not interested in any truth, and on the contrary
> WANT to "spin" the answer and the person as derogatorily as possible.
"Spinic" is a made up word. So Edmo can make any classification he wants
and define it any way he wants. Sensible people know that it's just a
way to evade answering the questions.
> I actaully predicted the 9/11/ event but I was not confident enough to
> put it into any thing other than a cryptic warning:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!1!!!
Yet another postdiction!
> http://www.astrocons.com/FAQs/kookfarts.htm <- De-Kookified!!!1!!!
> http://groups.google.com[slap!] <- De-Kookified!!!1!!!
> I still believe George Bush lost the first election and that he was
> frauded into office.
I still believe you failed in both your predictions, Eddieeeeeeee.
> I did predict however, how bad he would destroy
> the country:
>http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.newage/msg/f71cb6af21c047a4
That vague piece of crap? You're a fool.
> I did predict the second one wrong, but I did not want to concede that
> people were so stupid that they would re-elect him.
So your prediction was a joke? That's a shocker.
> I was wrong. They
> can be profoundly stupid. As is evidenced by the 15 years of
> harassment of me.
Laughing at a kook isn't stupid, it's entertainment.
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news:ha3667$3rh$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
> "A B" <a@a> wrote in news:4ac50d13$0$2525$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk:
>
>> "Edmond Wollmann" wrote on 30th September:
>>> EHWol...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> Sorry, Obama will crush McCain.
>>>
>>>> Is this the chart you are using?
>>>> http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/chart_display.htm
>>>
>>> Looks like another accurate prediction archived.
>>
>> I didn't know about that one (wasn't here then). Well done. (I
>> don't know if those ones Cujo mentioned were real. He doesn't give
>> enough information to find them.)
>
> Trust me on this, Edmo predicted Bush would lose both times. It's
> probably hard to find given that it's not exactly an uncommon phrase
> ("Bush will lose") but it'd be fun to watch Edmo deny he ever said it
> either time. It was quite a bit of fun to watch the backpedal by Edmo
> after the re-election of Bush as Edmo tried to waffle about Kerry
> winning the popular vote. The first election might be a bit harder as
> Edmo scurried away from that as soon as the results came in.
Everyone tried to set Edmo straight.
http://www.imagedump.com/image.cgi?file=515933.jpg
> I'm sure a few folks can find it, I lack the patience and time.
Close enough.