John Willner and INCARN program
Ben
Horoscope. The "spiritual birth time" is just a time got by chart
rectification using
the known methods like day/year progression and past events of life. Of
course, there may be several of such "times of incarnation" astrologer
has
to choose from. I don't know how the INCARN program works, but guess
this is only another
software with the rectification features.
I cannot add the "Willner's method" to AstroElite, as promised, because
this
is a fiction. It is not a method or technique, but rather an approach
that assumes using
not a birth certificate time but an artificial (rectified) time that
may differ from BC up to 4 hours.
Ed Falis
> There is no any "Willner's method" described in his book The Perfect
> Horoscope. The "spiritual birth time" is just a time got by chart
> rectification using
> the known methods like day/year progression and past events of life.
Bummer! I just ordered the book assuming that some heuristic would be
given.
Dan Barkye
I guess our inability to do so, stems from a self-defense approach on
our part before we are born. All this is dependant on whether
reincarnation is a reality, which I happen to believe it is, but I don't
have any proof for it, exactly b/c of this self-defense thing if all of
this is real.
My assumption/hypothesis is that, if reincarnation is real and we have
many lives to live until the soul goes back to its creator, we wouldn't
have been able to live the current life if we knew what was before and
what awaits us at the end of the journey here on Earth.
By default, we forget all that pertains to the other world and are sunk
into this one w/o any knowledge of start and end.
Frex, making a trip to the outdoors, when we encounter hardships, we
long to go home to the comfort of our armchair and cool drink, the soft
music and the tasty and warm food, but this is impossible until the trip
ends and we are headed finally home. The longing for the better
conditions make the trip a torture, at times, and I know this from
personal exp. I made trips to the outdoors regularly for many yrs.
During the reincarnated life, knowledge of the eternal life from which
we came into the ephemeral one would be a huge, almost impassable
obstacle, and so, as a tool of self-defense, we erase it from our
awareness.
This assumption of mine reminds me of a scifi story I once read, a very
long time ago. Only when I formulated my supposition during the writing
of my bk about Spirituality I remembered the story.
Story - The pilots of the spaceships were conditioned to loath and
forget home when departing, and to long for home when returning, in a
successful attempt to make them abler to sustain the psychological
hardships of the long, very long trip back and forth.
We can only assume and hypothesize, not more than that. This is why I
don't like very much philosophies, secular or religious, it's only
assumptions w/o any means to prove them right or wrong.
That said, they found the place in the brain responsible for spiritual
experiences, and the relatively new discipline of Consciousness is full
fledged now.
The Philosophizing Dan
Ben
that calculates the potential moments of incarnation' exists and has
been implemented in the INCARN program.
Unfortunately I couldn't find the description of the algorithm in open
sources,so the issue of its existence, origination and the nature
remains obscure,at least for me.
--
Ben
www.astroelite.com
Ed Falis
> I've got a message from James Aronis. He says that 'ancient algorithm
> that calculates the potential moments of incarnation' exists and has
> been implemented in the INCARN program.
But the INCARN program is no longer available, right?
- Ed
James Aronis
the newsgroup:
I contacted Willner on the phone in the mid-90s to obtain a copy of his
INCARN software. At the time, he was selling the software for a very
high price of over $600. All this DOS based software did was calculate
potential times of incarnation, nothing else. I don't believe it even
came equipped with a basic chart display feature, which is why I opted
to pay for my personal list of times at a cost of $50 instead of
purchasing the software itself.
We briefly spoke about INCARN and its purpose. As I mentioned in the
previous thread, Willner's method is not truly a birth time
rectification tool, even if in the end that's what it actually
accomplishes. The method is an attempt to find the precise moment of
incarnation by producing a list of times. The astrologer then takes
each these results and rectifies them using standard techniques to
determine which time is the actual time of incarnation. Only one will
yield 100% accuracy.
In truth, the 'method' didn't originate with Willner himself. The
algorithm is ancient and supposedly passed on from generation to
generation to a select few astrologers. Unfortunately, there is no way
anyone can incorporate it as a feature in a software unless they
possess knowledge of the algorithm. Like the way a secret society
operates, unless you're a member you're not privy to the information.
So, it's tough luck for the rest of us.
Regards,
James
Ed Falis
secretiveness.
- Ed
James Aronis
there is an INCARN 2, which unlike the original software is Windows
based. Now, who is updating it, using it and if the software is
actually for sale is unknown to me. I have contacted several possibly
knowledgeable sources recently, and ALL have declined correspondence
with me. So, your guess is as good as mine.
James
Chris Mitchell
wrote:
>Thanks for the extra info, James. Too bad about that good old-fashioned
>secretiveness.
>
>- Ed
It shouldn't take a geek with the original program too long to
reverse-engineer the algorithm, though :)
Ed Falis
wrote:
> It shouldn't take a geek with the original program too long to
> reverse-engineer the algorithm, though :)
>
Given the number of possible astrological factors and variations on
computing them, it would probably take some world-class guessing.
Chris Mitchell
wrote:
>
>Given the number of possible astrological factors and variations on
>computing them, it would probably take some world-class guessing.
I mean look at the executable binary and disassemble it. This will
yield an assembly language program that might just be intelligible.
Ed Falis
wrote:
> I mean look at the executable binary and disassemble it. This will
> yield an assembly language program that might just be intelligible.
You're dreaming. Seriously, Chris. I've been in the compiler business
for 25 years - it's not a go.
- Ed
James Aronis
it from a software vendor, which from all appearances is next to
impossible.
James