Bill Lord- Any info would be appreciated
Karin
Carter, in which he complains of harassment by people who wanted to talk
to him about Lee Oswald, (whom he had known as a teen) and threatened with
pressure from George Bush Jr. of Midland, Texas. Also, he states his
belief that Oswald was associated with the CIA, and that the assassination
may have been a coup.
I'm a bit skeptical about this, because I've only seen him referenced on
one site:
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/pageONE.jpg
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/pageTWO.jpg
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/pageTHREE.jpg
Anyone have any other information on him? (Is he still alive, have
his children been interviewed, etc...) Thanks!
yeuhd
> Anyone have any other information on him? (Is he still alive, have
> his children been interviewed, etc...) Thanks!
George B. Church, Jr., a fellow passenger on the S.S. "Marion Lykes"
in 1959, refers to him as Billy Joe Lord in a 1964 affidavit. (11 H
115-116)
CE 2675 (26 H 30-31) is a 1964 Secret Service interview of Billy Joe
Lord. He was born in Midland, Texas on 31 August 1941. The Texas Birth
Index confirms that name, date and place.
The Social Security Death Index does not have anyone with the surname
"Lord", born on 31 August 1941, so I assume that he is still alive at
age 68 years. The Texas Marriage Index says that he married in Travis
County in 1966. A son was born to them in 1975 and a daughter in 1976.
Bill Lord appears in telephone directories of Midland, Texas from 1999
through 2002 (the index of directories ends in 2002).
Thalia
> In 1977, Bill Lord apparently wrote a letter (shown below) to Jimmy
> Carter, in which he complains of harassment by people who wanted to talk
> to him about Lee Oswald, (whom he had known as a teen) and threatened with
> pressure from George Bush Jr. of Midland, Texas. Also, he states his
> belief that Oswald was associated with the CIA, and that the assassination
> may have been a coup.
>
> I'm a bit skeptical about this, because I've only seen him referenced on
> one site:
>
>
> Anyone have any other information on him? (Is he still alive, have
> his children been interviewed, etc...) Thanks!
Thanks for posting.
I couldn't read points 1- 4 on my computer for some reason. Can anyone
tell me what they were?
Another Bush reference to the assassination. Lordy, lordy.
Karin
Thanks so much!
Clubking01
> In 1977, Bill Lord apparently wrote a letter (shown below) to Jimmy
> Carter, in which he complains of harassment by people who wanted to talk
> to him about Lee Oswald, (whom he had known as a teen) and threatened with
> pressure from George Bush Jr. of Midland, Texas. Also, he states his
> belief that Oswald was associated with the CIA, and that the assassination
> may have been a coup.
>
> I'm a bit skeptical about this, because I've only seen him referenced on
> one site:
>
>
> Anyone have any other information on him? (Is he still alive, have
> his children been interviewed, etc...) Thanks!
Interestingly, one of the TV newsmen that reported the events of the
assassination for ABC and WFAA-TV was also named Bill Lord. In fact, he
was at the jail and reporting when Oswald was shot.
cdddraftsman
> In 1977, Bill Lord apparently wrote a letter (shown below) to Jimmy
> Carter, in which he complains of harassment by people who wanted to talk
> to him about Lee Oswald, (whom he had known as a teen) and threatened with
> pressure from George Bush Jr. of Midland, Texas. Also, he states his
> belief that Oswald was associated with the CIA, and that the assassination
> may have been a coup.
>
> I'm a bit skeptical about this, because I've only seen him referenced on
> one site:
>
>
> Anyone have any other information on him? (Is he still alive, have
> his children been interviewed, etc...) Thanks!
Ahhhhh ! Finally one CTer who was harrassed by fellow CTer's eh ?
Will wonders never cease , this welcome news !
tl
Karin
> Carter, in which he complains of harassment by people who wanted to talk
> to him about Lee Oswald, (whom he had known as a teen) and threatened with
> pressure from George Bush Jr. of Midland, Texas. Also, he states his
> belief that Oswald was associated with the CIA, and that the assassination
> may have been a coup.
>
> I'm a bit skeptical about this, because I've only seen him referenced on
> one site:
>
>
> Anyone have any other information on him? (Is he still alive, have
> his children been interviewed, etc...) Thanks!
hahahaha!!!!!! Some lonenutter actually gave me a one star rating for a
request for more information!!!!! That really says all there is to say
about the clowns who are uncomfortably confused by (or terrified of)
actual facts...Thanks for confirming that I'm onto something, guys. :-)
Anthony Marsh
The star ratings mean nothing.
Karin
> On 4/6/2010 6:28 PM, Karin wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 4, 12:58 am, Karin<tpmruss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In 1977, Bill Lord apparently wrote a letter (shown below) to Jimmy
> >> Carter, in which he complains of harassment by people who wanted to talk
> >> to him about Lee Oswald, (whom he had known as a teen) and threatened with
> >> pressure from George Bush Jr. of Midland, Texas. Also, he states his
> >> belief that Oswald was associated with the CIA, and that the assassination
> >> may have been a coup.
>
> >> I'm a bit skeptical about this, because I've only seen him referenced on
> >> one site:
>
>
> >> Anyone have any other information on him? (Is he still alive, have
> >> his children been interviewed, etc...) Thanks!
>
> > hahahaha!!!!!! Some lonenutter actually gave me a one star rating for a
> > request for more information!!!!! That really says all there is to say
> > about the clowns who are uncomfortably confused by (or terrified of)
> > actual facts...Thanks for confirming that I'm onto something, guys. :-)
>
> The star ratings mean nothing.
Anthony, do you know anything about this guy? He's not even referenced on
Spartacus. I'm really confused, because it's such a compelling letter.
yeuhd
> hahahaha!!!!!! Some lonenutter actually gave me a one star rating for a
> request for more information!!!!!
Unlikely that it was a "lonenutter". You expressed skepticism at Bill
Lord's claims. To the very defensive conspiracist person who has nothing
better to do than give these star ratings, that makes you a "lonenutter".
You're supposed to believe any conspiracy theory that comes down the pike.
Bud
>
> > In 1977, Bill Lord apparently wrote a letter (shown below) to Jimmy
> > Carter, in which he complains of harassment by people who wanted to talk
> > to him about Lee Oswald, (whom he had known as a teen) and threatened with
> > pressure from George Bush Jr. of Midland, Texas. Also, he states his
> > belief that Oswald was associated with the CIA, and that the assassination
> > may have been a coup.
>
> > I'm a bit skeptical about this, because I've only seen him referenced on
> > one site:
>
>
> > Anyone have any other information on him? (Is he still alive, have
> > his children been interviewed, etc...) Thanks!
>
> hahahaha!!!!!! Some lonenutter actually gave me a one star rating for a
> request for more information!!!!! That really says all there is to say
> about the clowns who are uncomfortably confused by (or terrified of)
> actual facts...
Nobody gave you a one star rating.
>Thanks for confirming that I'm onto something, guys. :-)
Thanks for confirming you are a conspiracy theorist, you proceed
from error and claim it`s a sign of progress.
Anthony Marsh
That's impossible if they are all incompatible with each other as you claim.
Anthony Marsh
Nothing.
yeuhd
First, I made no such claim. Second, I am talking about the mindset of
the person who has nothing better to do but give one stars to anything
he perceives as "lonenutter". Talk to him about it, not me. He's so
pathetically partisan that if someone posts something informational
and neutral, he still must give one star to it if the person is
elsewhere a "lonenutter". He needs to get a life.
Anthony Marsh
No such person exists. Only in your imagination.
Talk about a time waster. Look in the mirror.
Karin
The foolishness never ceases, does it? The star was there and now
it's gone. Certain things seem to disappear, sometimes....Kind of
like official X-rays, witnesses, autopsy reports, Presidential brains,
windshields on Presidential limousines, understanding of basic high
school physics....etc.etc.etc. You guys know all about that. ;-)
yeuhd
I have posted 377 messages in this forum so far this year. You have
posted 2,155 messages here in that time.
Bud
<snicker> Sure it was, Karin. Rest.
> Certain things seem to disappear, sometimes....Kind of
> like official X-rays, witnesses, autopsy reports, Presidential brains,
> windshields on Presidential limousines, understanding of basic high
> school physics....etc.etc.etc. You guys know all about that. ;-)
Yah, I know all about conspiracy theorists and their "the dog ate my
evidence" claims. Since so little of what is in evidence supports
your claims, you have to pretend that there are things that should be
in evidence that would support you if it could be produced. A huge
conspiracy at work swooped in and efficiently (our government?)
removed all the good stuff that would have shown you to be right. And
to add insult to injury, they even took your star.
Anthony Marsh
How about "the CIA destroyed my documents"?
I received a package of FBI documents from an FOIA request and the CIA
intercepted it because they were afraid the FBI accidentally again
declassified something they didn't want declassified.
Anthony Marsh
I am shocked, truly shocked. Since almost every one of my messages is a
reply to a thread correcting some incorrect information someone else has
posted here, that should tell you something.
How can one person post so many messages here?
Maybe they are not all being posted by one person.
Maybe they are being posted by a committee of 7 people, each posting on
a different day. Multiply 377 messages by 7 people and you get 2,639
messages.
Do you have the technical skills to notice if my messages are posted
from one computer or two?
David Von Pein
>>> "The star was there and now it's gone. Certain things seem to
disappear, sometimes." <<<
All "ratings stars" will disappear in about 24 hours after they first
appear at the aaj and acj forums. At least they always disappear in that
approx. timeframe on my computer.
Karin
haha!! To you it's plausible that I imagined the star. That's
priceless...considering that you ALSO think that Beverly Oliver AND
Phillip Willis AND Marilyn Willis AND Ed Hoffman AND Dr. Robert McClelland
AND Dr. Paul Peters AND Dr. Kenneth Salyer AND Dr. Charles Crenshaw AND
Dr. Ronald Jones AND Dr. Charles Carrico AND Dr. Richard Dulaney AND Nurse
Audrey Bell AND Theran Ward AND Audrey Rike AND Jerrol Custer AND Paul
O'Connor AND Floyd Riebe AND Frank O'Neill were ALL COMPLETELY CONFUSED
about the definition of the following words/ terms: occipital, parietal,
front, back, rear, side, blasted, cerebellum, halo...etc.etc.etc. Or
maybe they're like me, and they just IMAGINE REALLY WEIRD SH$T, like the
fact that the back of a man's head had been "taken off," went "flying out
the back of the car," was the "size of a baseball," could best be
described as a "big gaping hole" etc. etc. etc. That's the most plausible
explanation in Bud's world, right?
Oh yeah, how could I forget: A veteran physician is writing the death
certificate for the President of the United States --In YOUR world, it's
plausible that this guy doesn't really know where the third thoracic
vertabra is, right? Thanks for the laugh, Bud.
WBurg...@aol.com
How about Bill Lord? Let's not take our eye off the ball folks. The
original question is not about stars, or who posted what (what a damn
waste of time) but Bill Lord. The poster raised a valid query. What about
it?
Bud
No, I thought it was more likely you saw the star to the left of the
topic (at least in google there is one) and got confused.
> That's
> priceless...considering that you ALSO think that Beverly Oliver AND
> Phillip Willis AND Marilyn Willis AND Ed Hoffman AND Dr. Robert McClelland
> AND Dr. Paul Peters AND Dr. Kenneth Salyer AND Dr. Charles Crenshaw AND
> Dr. Ronald Jones AND Dr. Charles Carrico AND Dr. Richard Dulaney AND Nurse
> Audrey Bell AND Theran Ward AND Audrey Rike AND Jerrol Custer AND Paul
> O'Connor AND Floyd Riebe AND Frank O'Neill were ALL COMPLETELY CONFUSED
> about the definition of the following words/ terms: occipital, parietal,
> front, back, rear, side, blasted, cerebellum, halo...etc.etc.etc.
Why would you cling to these sources as if an autopsy were not
performed, and photos and x-rays not taken?
> Or
> maybe they're like me, and they just IMAGINE REALLY WEIRD SH$T, like the
> fact that the back of a man's head had been "taken off," went "flying out
> the back of the car," was the "size of a baseball," could best be
> described as a "big gaping hole" etc. etc. etc.
You know there is a film of Kennedy being shot, right? Where is this
damage?
> That's the most plausible
> explanation in Bud's world, right?
>
> Oh yeah, how could I forget: A veteran physician is writing the death
> certificate for the President of the United States --In YOUR world, it's
> plausible that this guy doesn't really know where the third thoracic
> vertabra is, right?
You know there is a photograph of this wound showing right where it
is, right?
Thanks for the laugh, Bud.
If you cling to inferior information you are bound to come to
inferior conclusions.
Bud
How much searching have you done to determine Bill Lord`s whereabouts
and whether he is alive? You can`t expect other people to do your snipe
hunting for you.
As far as the letter, where exactly do you think this can go? In the
seventies, Bill Lord was selling a house and some people came and looked
at it? Some people contacted him about what he knew about Oswald? Someone
mentioned Bush? Where do you suppose these "leads" can take you?
Bud
> Carter, in which he complains of harassment by people who wanted to talk
> to him about Lee Oswald, (whom he had known as a teen) and threatened with
> pressure from George Bush Jr. of Midland, Texas. Also, he states his
> belief that Oswald was associated with the CIA, and that the assassination
> may have been a coup.
>
> I'm a bit skeptical about this, because I've only seen him referenced on
> one site:
>
>
> Anyone have any other information on him? (Is he still alive, have
> his children been interviewed, etc...) Thanks!
Karin, I found this transcript of the actual conversation between
President Carter and Bill Lord, I thought you might find it
insightful...
President Carter: Hello, is this Bill Lord?
Bill Lord: Yes, who is this?
JC: President Jimmy Carter.
BL: President Carter, I`m honored.
JC: Please, call me Jimmy.
BL: Sure, Mr President, what can I do for you?
JC: I got your letter, and I was intrigued enough to call you. I`d
like to discuss some of the incidents with you, perhaps together we
can get to the bottom of your troubles.
BL: I`m at my wits end, Mr President, I`d appreciate any help you
can give.
JC: OK, starting back with the incident in Japan, you say your room
was ransacked, but nothing taken?
BL: Thats right Mr President.
JC: Sounds like either ninjas or poltergeists, and since it
happened in Japan, I`d go with poltergeists.
BL: Poltergeists, sir?
JC: Yes, we have the here in the White House, I sometimes find
myself being struck in the back of the head with empty beer cans,
often when my brother Billy is here. He is as stumped as I am as to
the cause. You also say that when you put a house up for sale, an ad
was placed in a newspaper and some people came and looked at the
house, is that right?
BL: Yes, sir.
JC: I find this most troubling, and I intend to launch a full
investigation into this.
BL: Wow, thanks, Jimmy.
JC: Who?
BL: I mean, Mr President.
JC: It seems you have also been harassed by folks who are
interested in your encounter with Lee Harvey Oswald. You said that
people weren`t interested, but then they were, and that you found that
suspicious. Can you explain this further?
BL: Well, it was more the increased frequency, along with the calls
in the middle of the night, and the threats. I`d get calls in the
middle of the night, with the caller demanding I tell them what I know
about Oswald. One time, there was a dead fish on my step, and I knew
what the message was.
JC: Message?
BL: Yes, tell them what I know about Oswald or I`d sleep with the
fishes.
JC: Well, Bill, I`m glad you wrote to me about these things, and I
intend to get to the bottom of them. I think I better start by
redacting the half of the second page of your letter where you talk
about spending time in a mental institution, as some people reading it
might think it impugns on your credibility.
BL: Well, thanks Mr President, I really appreciate you taking an
interest in my situation.
JC When I ran for President I said I was going to take the time to
listen to what is concerning the American people, and I intend to keep
that promise. Goodbye, and good luck, Bill. And don`t go riding in any
open cars, y`hear?
BL: I won`t, Mr. President. Thanks again.
JC: Bye.
WBurg...@aol.com
It's a lead Buddo, it's a lead.
Bud
How so?
What makes you think these things are as Lord relates in his letter
to President Carter?
It never fails to amaze me what CTers find significant and what they
don`t.
Karin
> seventies, Some people contacted him about what he knew about Oswald? Someone
> mentioned Bush? Where do you suppose these "leads" can take you?
"Bill Lord was selling a house and some people came and looked at it? As
far as the letter, where exactly do you think this can go? In the
seventies. Some people contacted him about what he knew about Oswald? "
Sooooooo.....that is what you got from this letter. hmmm....
If the fact that "pressure was in the offing" from George Bush Jr., who
just happens to be the son of Poppy Bush, who JUST HAPPENED not to
remember that he was in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and who JUST HAPPENED
to call the FBI from Tyler, Georgia at about 1:45 on November 22 to claim
that a pal had said that HE was going to kill the President if he ever
visited Houston, a call which he also JUST HAPPENED to forget about years
later doesn't mean anything to you, well then....
How about this: The same father JUST HAPPENED to be implicated in the
smoking guns Nixon tape, where Nixon JUST HAPPENS to talk about how, if
they don't pay off Howard Hunt it will be a "fiasco for the CIA," and
bring up the "whole Bay of Pigs thing again." --Of course Nixon refuses
to tell his trusted advisers what the whole "Bay of Pigs thing" could MEAN
but they figured it out to their satisfaction, and I think it would be a
good thinking exercise for you. (By the way: This is the same Howard Hunt
who JUST HAPPENS to confess on his deathbed that he was a "benchwarmer" in
the plot to assassinate Kennedy, and attributes his motives to Kennedy's
betrayal during the Bay of Pigs. That's a hint!!!!)
Anyway, if you already know that that tape (the one about Nixon paying off
a confessed accomplice to the murder we're discussing here because if he
doesn't, that confessed accomplice could talk about something VERY VERY
bad and mysterious, which would bring up the whole "Bay of Pigs thing
again") apparently caused this father to break out "in assholes and shit
himself to death" AND the father ALSO happens to have strange memory
lapses about November 22, 1963 AND has ALSO made strange phone calls to
the FBI implicating others for the assassination on the same day AND ALSO
has ties to the CIA and the BAY of Pigs and George de Mohrenschildt (but
now I'm getting carried away) and now you learn that the son of this man
has made strange threats to some guy who happened to know Lee Oswald in
the past, and this happens to coincide with renewed investigations into
the same assassination that you're interested in and that Oswald was
implicated in.......and this doesn't strike you as a lead.......well then
I am very, VERY happy that you are not on my side in this discussion.
And I would strongly advise you not to pursue a career in law.
Just for fun:
Do you REALLY think the crux of this letter was about the house hunters?
If you were Oswald's defense attorney, and this letter was all that you
had, is that what your focus would be? Just kind of pressure do you think
this George Bush Jr. could put on this guy?--Use your imagination! If you
wanted to put some sort of NON-VIOLENT/LEGAL pressure on a stranger, would
you not tell the person EXACTLY WHAT sort of pressure you had in mind?
Finally....if this isn't a lead....what exactly would be a lead in Bud's
world?
Karin
> at it? As far as the letter, where exactly do you think this can go? In the
> seventies, Some people contacted him about what he knew about Oswald? Someone
> mentioned Bush? Where do you suppose these "leads" can take you?
"Bill Lord was selling a house and some people came and looked at it? As
far as the letter, where exactly do you think this can go? In the
seventies. Some people contacted him about what he knew about Oswald? "
Sooooooo.....that is what you got from this letter. hmmm....
If the fact that "pressure was in the offing" from George Bush Jr., who
just happens to be the son of Poppy Bush, who JUST HAPPENED not to
remember that he was in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and who ALSO just
HAPPENED to call the FBI from Tyler, Georgia at about 1:45 on November 22
to claim that a pal of his had apparently said that HE was going to kill
the President if he ever visited Houston, well then....
How about this: The same Poppy dude JUST HAPPENED to be implicated in the
smoking guns Nixon tape, where Nixon JUST HAPPENS to talk about how, if
they don't pay off Howard Hunt it will be a "fiasco for the CIA," and
bring up the "whole Bay of Pigs thing again." --Of course Nixon refuses
to tell his trusted advisers what the whole "Bay of Pigs thing" could MEAN
but they figured it out to their satisfaction, and I think it would be a
good thinking exercise for you, Bud. (By the way: This is the same Howard
Hunt who JUST HAPPENS to confess on his deathbed (after denying any
involvement his whole life) that he was a "benchwarmer" in the plot to
assassinate Kennedy, and claims that he was motivated by Kennedy's
betrayal of he and his buddies during the Bay of Pigs. That's a hint!!!!)
Anyway, if you already know that that tape (the one about Nixon paying off
a confessed accomplice to the murder we're discussing here because if he
doesn't, that confessed accomplice could talk about something VERY VERY
bad and mysterious, which would bring up the whole "Bay of Pigs thing
again") apparently caused this guy to break out "in assholes and shit
himself to death" AND he ALSO happens to have strange memory lapses about
November 22, 1963 AND has ALSO made strange phone calls to the FBI
implicating others for the assassination on the same day AND ALSO has ties
to the CIA and the BAY of Pigs and cuban terrorist exiles and George de
Mohrenschildt (but now I'm getting carried away) AND NOW YOU LEARN that
the son of this man has made strange threats to some guy who happened to
know Lee Oswald in the past, and this happens to coincide with renewed
investigations into the same assassination that you're interested in and
that Oswald was implicated in.......and this doesn't strike you as a
LEAD.......well then I am very, VERY happy that you are not on my side in
this discussion. And I would strongly advise you not to pursue a career
in law.
Just for fun:
Do you REALLY think the crux of this letter was about the house hunters?
If you were Oswald's defense attorney, and this letter was all that you
had, is that what your focus would be? Just what kind of pressure do you
think this George Bush Jr. could put on this guy?--Use your imagination!
If you wanted to put some sort of NON-VIOLENT/LEGAL pressure on a
stranger, would you not tell the person EXACTLY WHAT sort of pressure you
had in mind? Finally....if this isn't a lead....what exactly would be a
lead in Bud's world?
And no, I don't "expect" anyone to do anything for me. I merely asked if
anyone else had information on this guy. See, as a wacky conspiracy
"theorist" I'm the type of person who sometimes asks "questions" and does
"research" and looks at "facts" and notices "patterns" and all that weird
stuff. ;-)
Bud
I`ll bet you didn`t. Didn`t think it was strange or weird at all that
Lord would include such a mundane and easily explained event in a letter
to the President of the United States. It speaks a little to Lord`s
mentality. You are just so desperate for justifications for your beliefs,
and so hungry for the Bush implications that you are willing to overlook
such trivial things as credibility.
> If the fact that "pressure was in the offing" from George Bush Jr., who
> just happens to be the son of Poppy Bush, who JUST HAPPENED not to
> remember that he was in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and who JUST HAPPENED
> to call the FBI from Tyler, Georgia at about 1:45 on November 22 to claim
> that a pal had said that HE was going to kill the President if he ever
> visited Houston, a call which he also JUST HAPPENED to forget about years
> later doesn't mean anything to you, well then....
Why would I care where Bush was?
> How about this: The same father JUST HAPPENED to be implicated in the
> smoking guns Nixon tape, where Nixon JUST HAPPENS to talk about how, if
> they don't pay off Howard Hunt it will be a "fiasco for the CIA," and
> bring up the "whole Bay of Pigs thing again." --Of course Nixon refuses
> to tell his trusted advisers what the whole "Bay of Pigs thing" could MEAN
> but they figured it out to their satisfaction,
As you figured it out to yours, but you still can`t show what Nixon was
referring to, yet that doesn`t stop you from plugging it into your theory.
> and I think it would be a
> good thinking exercise for you. (By the way: This is the same Howard Hunt
> who JUST HAPPENS to confess on his deathbed that he was a "benchwarmer" in
> the plot to assassinate Kennedy, and attributes his motives to Kennedy's
> betrayal during the Bay of Pigs. That's a hint!!!!)
Yah, Hunt, an intelligent man couldn`t find a better way to get his
story out than to confess than to his black sheep son. Didn`t write
something up to be published after his death that contained information
that could verify his account, just rambles some vague, uncheckable
information. And what he supposedly says about Cord Meyers is straight
from Wikipedia.
And as far as Hu
> Anyway, if you already know that that tape (the one about Nixon paying off
> a confessed accomplice to the murder we're discussing here because if he
> doesn't, that confessed accomplice could talk about something VERY VERY
> bad and mysterious, which would bring up the whole "Bay of Pigs thing
> again") apparently caused this father to break out "in assholes and shit
> himself to death" AND the father ALSO happens to have strange memory
> lapses about November 22, 1963 AND has ALSO made strange phone calls to
> the FBI implicating others for the assassination on the same day AND ALSO
> has ties to the CIA and the BAY of Pigs and George de Mohrenschildt (but
> now I'm getting carried away) and now you learn that the son of this man
> has made strange threats to some guy who happened to know Lee Oswald in
> the past, and this happens to coincide with renewed investigations into
> the same assassination that you're interested in and that Oswald was
> implicated in.......and this doesn't strike you as a lead.......well then
> I am very, VERY happy that you are not on my side in this discussion.
> And I would strongly advise you not to pursue a career in law.
What chance do you suppose you`d have in a court of law with all this
innuendo? You couldn`t even get a hearing against anyone, let alone a
trial.
> Just for fun:
>
> Do you REALLY think the crux of this letter was about the house hunters?
No, I think it was the ramblings of a paranoid individual. Look, "the
bad guys are after me" is a card played often in this case, and it seems
to play well with conspiracy believers to increase a witness`s
credibility, the conspiracy theorists buy these tales without ever seeing
the slightest support. But that shadowy figures were trailing Lord to
Japan, watching him at home, messing with his mother`s phone, posing as
potential house buyers, ect is an amazing idea which not the least bit of
support can be produced for.
And what is the point of following him, hasn`t he already testified?
Does he say anything about having information he didn`t reveal to the WC?
And is it strange that with the interest in this case that some of the
folks that are writing books about the case might contact him about his
experiences with Oswald? Can this jumpy fellow be trusted not to jump to
the wrong conclusion about these contacts?
> If you were Oswald's defense attorney, and this letter was all that you
> had, is that what your focus would be? Just kind of pressure do you think
> this George Bush Jr. could put on this guy?
For starters, you aren`t weighing the information in context. Lord says
the guy dropped two names. Big deal, you can`t even establish that the guy
knew Bush, or that he even said Bush`s name. Lord doesn`t say who any of
the people who contact him were, who this guy was, what the threats were,
how the name was used, nothing. There is nothing here that can be followed
up, but you like it just where it is, suspicious sounding.
>--Use your imagination! If you
> wanted to put some sort of NON-VIOLENT/LEGAL pressure on a stranger, would
> you not tell the person EXACTLY WHAT sort of pressure you had in mind?
> Finally....if this isn't a lead....what exactly would be a lead in Bud's
> world?
I tell you what it isn`t, it isn`t vague implication used only to
support a preconceived notion.
Leads lead somewhere, and these leads don`t lead anywhere. Hunt`s
supposed deathbed contains no information that lead anywhere. It may help
CTers make the jumps they wish to make from one person to the next, but it
doesn`t lead to new, supportive information (which you might expect
someone of the inside to be able to provide).
And why do you suppose that conspiracy website didn`t include such a
large portion of page 2 of this letter? That there is three pages and only
2 and a half produced doesn`t get you wondering? Could it be the portion
that wasn`t included was left out because it contained information that
impugned Lord`s credibility even further than what was left in?
Karin
> On Apr 11, 11:06 pm, Karin <tpmruss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 10, 1:20 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 11:47 pm, WBurgha...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 9:07 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 4/9/2010 1:27 PM, Bud wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 9, 12:03 am, Karin<tpmruss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> On Apr 7, 10:46 pm, Bud<sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > >>> On Apr 6, 6:28 pm, Karin<tpmruss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>> On Apr 4, 12:58 am, Karin<tpmruss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > original question is not about stars, or who posted what (what a damn
> > > > it?
>
> > > How much searching have you done to determineBillLord`s whereabouts
> > > and whether he is alive? You can`t expect other people to do your snipe
> > > hunting for you.
>
> > > at it? As far as the letter, where exactly do you think this can go? In the
> > > seventies, Some people contacted him about what he knew about Oswald? Someone
> > > mentioned Bush? Where do you suppose these "leads" can take you?
>
> > far as the letter, where exactly do you think this can go? In the
> > seventies. Some people contacted him about what he knew about Oswald? "
>
> > Sooooooo.....that is what you got from this letter. hmmm....
>
> to the President of the United States. It speaks a little toLord`s
> the people who contact him were, who this guy was, what the threats were,
> how the name was used, nothing. There is nothing here that can be followed
> up, but you like it just where it is, suspicious sounding.
>
> >--Use your imagination! If you
> > wanted to put some sort of NON-VIOLENT/LEGAL pressure on a stranger, would
> > you not tell the person EXACTLY WHAT sort of pressure you had in mind?
> > Finally....if this isn't a lead....what exactly would be a lead in Bud's
> > world?
>
> I tell you what it isn`t, it isn`t vague implication used only to
> support a preconceived notion.
>
> Leads lead somewhere, and these leads don`t lead anywhere. Hunt`s
> supposed deathbed contains no information that lead anywhere. It may help
> CTers make the jumps they wish to make from one person to the next, but it
> doesn`t lead to new, supportive information (which you might expect
> someone of the inside to be able to provide).
>
> And why do you suppose that conspiracy website didn`t include such a
> large portion of page 2 of this letter? That there is three pages and only
> 2 and a half produced doesn`t get you wondering? Could it be the portion
> that wasn`t included was left out because it contained information that
Bud,
I almost blush when reading your lame responses--quite possibly the lamest
I've ever seen in my life. Perhaps I ought not spend any more time with
you, but I'll give it one more shot:
You wrote:
"What chance do you suppose you`d have in a court of law with all this
innuendo? You couldn`t even get a hearing against anyone, let alone a
trial."
I guess you're right....I guess since this letter isn't enough BY
ITSELF to get a trial and a conviction, that means it's worthless as a
piece of evidence.....right, Bud?
And I guess since this letter might not be enough to exonerate Lee Oswald
BY ITSELF, that means, if you were his defense attorney, you would just
toss it in the garbage....right Bud? hahahahahaha!!!!!! Thanks again for
the laugh.
By the way:
Do you even have a guess about why Richard Nixon wouldn't have been
willing to explain what "the Bay of Pigs thing" was code for? --
Especially considering that his whole inner circle ALREADY KNEW about the
Bay of Pigs and ALREADY KNEW that he was a crook? What could it POSSIBLY
have been about? What could be a POSSIBLE reason why it would have made
Mr. Bush break into "assholes..."? Why do you think that Frank Sturgis
connected the affair to the Kennedy assassination? (Actually, I don't
have time on "possible" reasons, here. I'd like a plausible one).
Do you have a guess about why, when asked what he knew about the JFK
assassination, Richard Nixon, who had ALWAYS publicly defended the Warren
Report, would have responded: "You don't want to know." (Again, ANY
plausible explanation will do).
You DO know that this tape is not the only evidence connecting Mr. Hunt to
this crime....don't you? How many folks do YOU know who would confess to
a crime that they didn't commit? How many people have to confess before
you'll begin to question your assumptions? How many people have to
confess who have very similar motives? How many people have to
corroborate each others' stories? --Oh that's right....if they
corroborate each others' stories, that means that the stories must have
been gotten from the internet. So it doesn't matter HOW many confessions
we get. They confirm what we already suspect...therefore they must be
false.
I am not assuming that this person is a credible witness. He is one
witness among MANY who experienced similar things, and that makes his
story worth looking into. Of course one should question the second
page--so what? Do you REALLY think that the missing part AUTOMATICALLY
renders the whole letter meaningless? Are you aware that the Warren
Commission Report contains more than a few omissions as well? And are you
SERIOUSLY contending that any witness who MIGHT not be credible is
unworthy of pursuing? Do you realize that that would nullify the
testimony of some of the most important witnesses against Mr. Oswald?
Bill Lord is a person who apparently claimed that George Bush Jr. (who was
NOT a household name at the time) was exerting "pressure" on him to talk
about Lee Harvey Oswald. Probably the same George Bush Jr. who was the
son of a man who has an AWFUL LOT of explaining to do. (To thinking
people, that is).
If you REALLY don't think that George Bush has any explaining to do, and
if you were Oswald's defense attorney, you would REALLY toss this note in
the trash without a second thought, then frankly, I can't respect you
intellectually at all, and this will be our final interaction. Thanks!
Best,
Karin
Bud
You should have stuck to you first instinct, it`s only bound to get
worse from here.
> You wrote:
>
> "What chance do you suppose you`d have in a court of law with all this
> innuendo? You couldn`t even get a hearing against anyone, let alone a
> trial."
>
> I guess you're right....I guess since this letter isn't enough BY
> ITSELF to get a trial and a conviction, that means it's worthless as a
> piece of evidence.....right, Bud?
It`s evidence that you have little aptitude for weighing information.
Look, that Lord thought this letter would ever come to the attention of
Carter speaks to his grasp of reality. If a letter like this ever comes to
the attention of a United States President, someone needs to be fired.
Secondly, you have Bush`s name POSSIBLY being dropped, which in no way
incriminates Bush. If I say to someone I`m going to get you to kill them
for me, who should the cops come after, you or me? If someone uses Bush`s
name doesn`t mean Bush has done anything wrong. The most important person
is the one making the threats, and his name is left out. You could never
tie Bush to this even if you had this person`s name, and you REALLY can`t
make a connection without it. Yet, somehow you think you have something.
> And I guess since this letter might not be enough to exonerate Lee Oswald
> BY ITSELF, that means, if you were his defense attorney, you would just
> toss it in the garbage....right Bud? hahahahahaha!!!!!! Thanks again for
> the laugh.
Oh, no, if I was a defense attorney and I thought I could help my client
with this letter, I would use it. There is always a chance there would be
some like you on the jury I could impress with it. But I wouldn`t fool
myself into thinking I was presenting anything of substance.
> By the way:
>
> Do you even have a guess about why Richard Nixon wouldn't have been
> willing to explain what "the Bay of Pigs thing" was code for? --
> Especially considering that his whole inner circle ALREADY KNEW about the
> Bay of Pigs and ALREADY KNEW that he was a crook? What could it POSSIBLY
> have been about? What could be a POSSIBLE reason why it would have made
> Mr. Bush break into "assholes..."? Why do you think that Frank Sturgis
> connected the affair to the Kennedy assassination? (Actually, I don't
> have time on "possible" reasons, here. I'd like a plausible one).
Fortunately, I don`t have to unprove your ideas, you have to prove them.
I only pointed out that you can go nowhere with these tenuous connections
where you fill in the blanks to suit yourself.
> Do you have a guess about why, when asked what he knew about the JFK
> assassination, Richard Nixon, who had ALWAYS publicly defended the Warren
> Report, would have responded: "You don't want to know." (Again, ANY
> plausible explanation will do).
If he didn`t say, I don`t know.
> You DO know that this tape is not the only evidence connecting Mr. Hunt to
> this crime....don't you?
<snicker> I don`t even think the tape qualifies.
> How many folks do YOU know who would confess to
> a crime that they didn't commit?
Don`t know that Hunt did.
And I`m not sure how difficult it would be to get one, given the state
most elderly people are in on their deathbeds. ("Sign the papers, old
man...")
> How many people have to confess before
> you'll begin to question your assumptions?
I haven`t seen that the tape was authenticated. There is no real
information on it that can be checked to corroborate the story. I think
the son was supposed to have more tapes, but I don`t think they were
produced. There is a hurdle amazing claims have to clear, and this just
doesn`t have what it takes. It`s enough to impress the people who are
desperate for justification for their beliefs, but that may have been the
target audience to begin with.
> How many people have to
> confess who have very similar motives? How many people have to
> corroborate each others' stories? --Oh that's right....if they
> corroborate each others' stories, that means that the stories must have
> been gotten from the internet. So it doesn't matter HOW many confessions
> we get. They confirm what we already suspect...therefore they must be
> false.
You guys are free to write and believe any fables you want. You can
even pretend you are making progress with this if you like. But you
brought up courts, and you`ll never have trial evidence for these things,
it`s just one conspiracy book building off the innuendo of the last.
You bring up Hunt, and if Hunt was involved, he`d have all kinds of
inside information, and he`s a smart enough guy to know that "sitting on
the bench" is meaningless (even if the CTers who gobble this stuff up
don`t). You need "me and so-and-so went here, got instructions from "A",
stayed at "B", you know, fillled in with details that have the potential
to be checked. None of that is included in this "confession".
And did you compare the Cord Meyers entry of Wikipedia to the Cord
Meyers portion of the "confession"? Eerily similar.
> I am not assuming that this person is a credible witness.
Oh, please.
> He is one
> witness among MANY who experienced similar things, and that makes his
> story worth looking into.
How? You notice he doesn`t name anyone of the people who contacted him?
Over three decades later you are going to be able to piece together who
contacted him? Who the Iranians were? It`s nothing, and you`ll never be
able to go anywhere with it.
> Of course one should question the second
> page--so what?
Contact the website and ask them why it wasn`t included.
> Do you REALLY think that the missing part AUTOMATICALLY
> renders the whole letter meaningless?
No, I think it`s what was left in that makes it meaningless. That
part was omitted I found suspicious.
> Are you aware that the Warren
> Commission Report contains more than a few omissions as well? And are you
> SERIOUSLY contending that any witness who MIGHT not be credible is
> unworthy of pursuing?
Pursue how? Have you checked to find out where GWB was in 1977? Did you
look up Jim Allison (the one that died in 1975?)? Did you check the scant
information that could be checked?
For one thing, the guy shared a cabin with Oswald long before Oswald
killed anyone. He told the WC about the trivial episode. What is to be
gained by anyone going after him? To ensure that he makes a fuss?
> Do you realize that that would nullify the
> testimony of some of the most important witnesses against Mr. Oswald?
>
> Bill Lord is a person who apparently claimed that George Bush Jr. (who was
> NOT a household name at the time) was exerting "pressure" on him to talk
> about Lee Harvey Oswald.
No, he didn`t (and the website you got this from makes the same false
claim). Lord never said he talked to Bush, therefore Bush could never
exert pressure on him. Lord said that an unnamed researcher made the
threat.
> Probably the same George Bush Jr. who was the
> son of a man who has an AWFUL LOT of explaining to do. (To thinking
> people, that is).
I`m thinking he wouldn`t talk to you, yet alone waste his time
trying to explain anything to you.
> If you REALLY don't think that George Bush has any explaining to do, and
> if you were Oswald's defense attorney, you would REALLY toss this note in
> the trash without a second thought, then frankly, I can't respect you
> intellectually at all, and this will be our final interaction. Thanks!
You`re welcome, I`m sure you got more out of the interaction than I
did.
> Best,
> Karin
neuesg...@icloud.com
> In 1977, Bill Lord apparently wrote a letter (shown below) to Jimmy
> to him about Lee Oswald, (whom he had known as a teen) and threatened with
> pressure from George Bush Jr. of Midland, Texas. Also, he states his
> belief that Oswald was associated with the CIA, and that the assassination
> may have been a coup.
>
> I'm a bit skeptical about this, because I've only seen him referenced on
> one site:
>
> http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/pageONE.jpg
> http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/pageTHREE.jpg