JIM BRADEN AND THE DAL TEX

[BOZ]

http://www.jfk-online.com/braden.html

[mainframetech]

On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 10:30:41 PM UTC-4, BOZ wrote:
> http://www.jfk-online.com/braden.html



One can expect one of the shooters to come up with an excuse for why
he was there. Some info on him differed from his view of things:

http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKbrading.htm

Chris

[BOZ]

Did Jim Braden or Mac Wallace fire the fatal shot?

[Anthony Marsh]

You have no evidence that Brading was a shooter. Maybe his job was to
kill Oswald, but Baker got there first.

[bigdog]

Oswald's excuse was "I work in that building".

[Anthony Marsh]

No.

[mainframetech]

Neither Braden or Wallace did it. They were in the wrong position.
The fatal shot came from in front of the limo.

Chris

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

And he said he was bringing curtain rods to work for his room.

And he said he left the building within three minutes because he was told
they would have the rest of the day off.

But the person in charge said he said no such thing to Oswald.

But hey, remember Operation Northwoods? And Banister? And the CIA did bad
things? And this or that...

Anything other than what Oswald said and did.

[BOZ]

From the manhole?

[mainframetech]

That's one possibility, but also you can consider the other side of the
overpass on the left, squatted down as a possibility too. As well there
is the GK, but I don't think highly of that one.

Chris

[mainframetech]

None of that puts Oswald in the 6th floor window with a rifle firing
into Dealey Plaza.

Chris

[Ace Kefford]

On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 5:02:53 PM UTC-4, BOZ wrote:

Oh, their list goes to a lot more than just those two names. A narrower
question for the buffs would be who DIDN'T participate in the planning,
shooting or cover-up of the assassination?

[Anthony Marsh]

No, I don't think he's that crazy.

[mainframetech]

Neither of those 2 fired the final kill shot. That shot came from the
front of the limousine somewhere.

Chris

[Ace Kefford]

There is more than enough evidence for that (Oswald in the 6th floor
window with a rifle firing into Dealey Plaza) to persuade any objective
assessor of what actually happened that day. Could it ever be enough to
persuade the true believers? Of course not, but that's not the standard
for historical assessment. Or for that matter common sense.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 5/10/2017 6:38 PM, mainframetech wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 10:28:51 PM UTC-4, BOZ wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-3, mainframetech wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 5:02:53 PM UTC-4, BOZ wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 9:49:03 PM UTC-3, mainframetech wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 10:30:41 PM UTC-4, BOZ wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.jfk-online.com/braden.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One can expect one of the shooters to come up with an excuse for why
>>>>> he was there. Some info on him differed from his view of things:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKbrading.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Did Jim Braden or Mac Wallace fire the fatal shot?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Neither Braden or Wallace did it. They were in the wrong position.
>>> The fatal shot came from in front of the limo.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> From the manhole?
>
>
> That's one possibility, but also you can consider the other side of the

Not a possibility. We can also rule out the moon.

> overpass on the left, squatted down as a possibility too. As well there

SHOW me. Talk is cheap and so are you.

> is the GK, but I don't think highly of that one.
>

The science puts the shot on the grassy knoll.

> Chris
>

[Anthony Marsh]

We already voted on it. You lost. We won. 7 to 5.

[Anthony Marsh]

Somewhere?
SOMEWHERE?

I thought you knew exactly where, down to the exact inch.
Maybe you could test it with my acoustics program. If only you knew
anything about programming.
Do you at least know what Cartesian Coordinates are? A friend marked the
origin point on my map for me.

> Chris
>

[mainframetech]

Common sense in this case is probably opinion. But in any event, if
you believe that it's all obvious, then tell me what is the evidence that
puts Oswald in the 6th floor window with the rifle firing into the plaza.

Chris

[bigdog]

Somewhere, over the rainbow...

[bigdog]

Keep trying. Maybe someday you can find a location where the geometry
actually works. Have you ever considered the southeast corner of the 6th
floor of the TSBD? That would solve your geometry dilemma.

[bigdog]

You'd like somebody to list that for you AGAIN so you can list your
excuses for dismissing all that evidence.

[mainframetech]

You know I never dismiss evidence, I just may use it differently than
you. And in this case, that seems to be the case. I remember your list
and I know that none of it puts Oswald in the window with a rifle firing
into Dealey Plaza. I figured if you would list these items of evidence I
could show everyone how flimsy that list really is.

Chris

[mainframetech]

Don't be silly! The geometry works just fine from the storm drain that
used to be there on the left past the overpass. You just can't picture
it.

Chris

[Anthony Marsh]

That angle is possible, but what does it hit? Are you proposing a throat
shot from there? Or a head shot from there? Either way it is too far to
the left of the limo to go though your imaginary hole and hit JFK. Maybe
Connally. Maybe Greer.

How come you never show us this storm drain? Because you want people to
just accept whatever crazy idea you make up without any way to double
check it.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2cd6616acaa8.jpg

[BOZ]

Ever see GET SMART Marsh? Are you still working for CHAOS?

[Anthony Marsh]

Chaos was a CIA operation. I was a victim, not an agent.

[bigdog]

That's as funny as anything you have ever claimed.

> I just may use it differently than
> you.

I use it rationally. You use it irrationally.

> And in this case, that seems to be the case.

Yup.

> I remember your list
> and I know that none of it puts Oswald in the window with a rifle firing
> into Dealey Plaza. I figured if you would list these items of evidence I
> could show everyone how flimsy that list really is.
>

Just a series of strange coincidences that his rifle would show up in his
workplace on the day JFK was shot from there, that all the only recovered
shells and bullets matched his rifle, that his prints were on the rifle,
the rifle bag, and the boxes in the sniper's nest, the fibers in the rifle
bag matched his the blanket he stored his rifle in, the fibers on the butt
plate of the rifle matched the shirt he was wearing when arrested, that he
fled the scene of the crime within minutes of the shooting, that he
retrieved his handgun and shot the first cop to confront him and tried to
shoot some more when he was arrested, numerous witnesses IDed him as the
cop killer and a witness IDed him as the president's assassin. But why
would that lead anyone to think Oswald was the assassin?

Here's where you list your excuses to dismiss all that evidence. Have at
it.

[bigdog]

Apparently you can't either since you've been unable to diagram it despite
having been challenged to do so on several occasions.

[Jason Burke]

Now, damn. Where *is* that Jiffy Pop?

[mainframetech]

I've done so, but your convenient memory has lost that info. Shall I
do it again? Here now, listen up...the shooter came in to the storm drain
under the curb on the left side of Elm street past the overpass. He was
able to walk in through the large storm drain tunnel leading from the
storm drain at the curb. In a low position there aiming slightly upwards
toward the oncoming limousine, he was able from the left side of the
street to see JFK between the driver and Kellerman with his oblique
position to JFK. He could also see JFK between Nellie and Connally, who
were sitting behind the driver and Kellerman.

The angle from the side of the street allowed the shooter to have a
clear line of sight to JFK, and a shot through the windshield would hit
the head of JFK in the forehead/temple area since his head was slightly to
the left and he was leaning slightly to the left at that moment. The
bullet would go through the head and blow out the BOH, as we know
happened.

Of course that is only one possible scenario, another is that a
shooter could squat down at the left side of the overpass just inside the
short tunnel made by the overpass. The shot from there would be about the
same line of sight as the storm drain shot. Slightly upward, between
Greer and Kellerman, and between Nellie and Connally.

Chris

[mainframetech]

Laugh it up, fella. I charge for the entertainment.

> > I just may use it differently than
> > you.
>
> I use it rationally. You use it irrationally.
>

Ah, and that opinion is your proof? :)

> > And in this case, that seems to be the case.
>
> Yup.
>
> > I remember your list
> > and I know that none of it puts Oswald in the window with a rifle firing
> > into Dealey Plaza. I figured if you would list these items of evidence I
> > could show everyone how flimsy that list really is.
> >
>
> Just a series of strange coincidences that his rifle would show up in his
> workplace on the day JFK was shot from there, that all the only recovered
> shells and bullets matched his rifle, that his prints were on the rifle,
> the rifle bag, and the boxes in the sniper's nest, the fibers in the rifle
> bag matched his the blanket he stored his rifle in,

WRONG! Since the rifle was Oswald's, all those things could be
expected to be true and are not evidence of Oswald shooting at JFK.
Anyone might have convinced Oswald to bring in the rifle, then they used
it.

> the fibers on the butt
> plate of the rifle matched the shirt he was wearing when arrested,

So when he brought the rifle in to work, he put it up to his shoulder
to look through the sight. BFD.

> that he
> fled the scene of the crime within minutes of the shooting,

Hearing the commotion of the people that were watching out the windows
or on the steps, and being accosted by a cop on the 2nd floor told him
they would find the rifle and that they may hold him responsible for the
shooting, so he got out quick. Still no problem, but none of that puts
the rifle in Oswald's hands and has him firing it out the window. Nor is
there anything there proving that ANY FMJ MC rifle bullet hit or hurt
anyone.

> that he
> retrieved his handgun and shot the first cop to confront him and tried to
> shoot some more when he was arrested, numerous witnesses IDed him as the
> cop killer and a witness IDed him as the president's assassin. But why
> would that lead anyone to think Oswald was the assassin?
>

There are still questions about the Tippit scene. For instance they
considered Helen Markham a good witness when she was as ditzy as they
come. She said she had conversed with the dead body for minutes before
the ambulance came. Questioning her was a frustrating effort when you
read her testimony.

> Here's where you list your excuses to dismiss all that evidence. Have at
> it.

I do not dismiss that evidence, I simply point out that it doesn't put
Oswald in the window with the rifle firing at the motorcade. Indeed, he
owned the rifle, and so that alone takes care of many of your items in the
list of so-called evidence.

Chris

[Anthony Marsh]

He doesn't have a good map. Only real researchers have a good map.

[Anthony Marsh]

Not a strange coindidence if he was being framed. But I guess you think
it's impossible to frame someone for murder.

[bigdog]

Apparently you don't understand the difference between a description and a
diagram. The diagram would show your description isn't possible. The
geometry is all wrong.

> Of course that is only one possible scenario, another is that a
> shooter could squat down at the left side of the overpass just inside the
> short tunnel made by the overpass.

Gee, nobody would see him there despite there being lead vehicles in the
motorcade ahead of the limo. Zapruder 1-132 shows the lead escort vehicles
plus three lead cars. I found this courtesy of Todd Vaugh:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Motorcade%20Route/Item%2015.pdf

> The shot from there would be about the
> same line of sight as the storm drain shot. Slightly upward, between
> Greer and Kellerman, and between Nellie and Connally.
>

The fact that you propose multiple possibilities shows that you have
evidence for none. If you had evidence of a shot from either of those
locations, you wouldn't have any alternatives. And the geometry won't work
for either location and you won't even attempt to present a diagram that
shows that it would.

[bigdog]

Good old cooperative patsy Lee Harvey Oswald. The guy who you think was
framed did everything imaginable to make himself look guilty. I would be
other TSBD employees owned rifles but their rifles didn't show up in the
building on the day JFK was assassinated with their prints on it and in
the sniper's nest.

>
>
>
> > the fibers on the butt
> > plate of the rifle matched the shirt he was wearing when arrested,
>
>
>
>
> So when he brought the rifle in to work, he put it up to his shoulder
> to look through the sight. BFD.
>

The recoil of the rifle forcefully drove the butt into his shoulder which
is why the fibers got caught on the butt plate. Why the hell would he take
the rifle out of the bag he used to smuggle the rifle into work just so he
could look through the scope.

>
>
> > that he
> > fled the scene of the crime within minutes of the shooting,
>
>
>
> Hearing the commotion of the people that were watching out the windows
> or on the steps, and being accosted by a cop on the 2nd floor told him
> they would find the rifle and that they may hold him responsible for the
> shooting, so he got out quick.

At that point, according to your narrative, he wouldn't have even know
there was a shooting.

> Still no problem, but none of that puts
> the rifle in Oswald's hands and has him firing it out the window. Nor is
> there anything there proving that ANY FMJ MC rifle bullet hit or hurt
> anyone.
>

It's amazing how you think all these crazy explanations make more sense
than Oswald just brought his rifle into work and shot JFK with it. That's
what all the evidence points to. You are forced to dream up excuses to
explain away all that evidence. They aren't even good excuses.

>
>
> > that he
> > retrieved his handgun and shot the first cop to confront him and tried to
> > shoot some more when he was arrested, numerous witnesses IDed him as the
> > cop killer and a witness IDed him as the president's assassin. But why
> > would that lead anyone to think Oswald was the assassin?
> >
>
>
>
> There are still questions about the Tippit scene.

Not to sensible people who have seen the evidence of Oswald's guilt in
that murder.

> For instance they
> considered Helen Markham a good witness when she was as ditzy as they
> come. She said she had conversed with the dead body for minutes before
> the ambulance came. Questioning her was a frustrating effort when you
> read her testimony.
>

She IDed the guy who had the murder weapon in his possession about a half
hour later. That's the part you can't get around.

>
>
> > Here's where you list your excuses to dismiss all that evidence. Have at
> > it.
>
>
> I do not dismiss that evidence, I simply point out that it doesn't put
> Oswald in the window with the rifle firing at the motorcade. Indeed, he
> owned the rifle, and so that alone takes care of many of your items in the
> list of so-called evidence.
>

So you think it is pure coincidence that all that evidence just happened
to line up against him. Oswald had to be the unluckiest SOB that ever
lived.


The state of the evidence is exactly what we would expect it to be with
Oswald as the shooter. Everything that should be there is there. There is
no evidence that is missing that should be there and nothing in that body
of evidence that supports his innocence. There is no evidence that points
to anyone except Oswald. Hint: Stories cooked up by authors many decades
later based on claims of what deceased persons supposedly told them before
they died are not evidence.

[Anthony Marsh]

Impossible. You know nothing about the limo.

>
> Of course that is only one possible scenario, another is that a
> shooter could squat down at the left side of the overpass just inside the
> short tunnel made by the overpass. The shot from there would be about the
> same line of sight as the storm drain shot. Slightly upward, between
> Greer and Kellerman, and between Nellie and Connally.
>

Show him to me. What was his name?

> Chris
>

[BOZ]

Why don't you tell us who smuggled Oswald's rifle into the TSBD?

[Anthony Marsh]

The state of the evidence is exactly what we would expect it to be if
Dreyfus was the real traitor. That's because the real traitors framed him.
They tried framing the local baker, but he didn't have Top Secret access
to the files.

When the FBI needed to frame somebody for a murder that their gangster had
committed, one of them suggested that they pick the Pope as the patsy.
After killing him, they selected 5 Boston bookies who didn't have an
alibi.

[Anthony Marsh]

Not fair. He doesn't even have a map.

[BOZ]

Dreyfus was innocent. You admit that Oswald killed Tippit. Your analogy
makes as much sense as the ending of Planet of the Apes with Mark
Wahlberg.