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Did Oswald know his impostor?
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John Paul Jones
Nov 29, 2015, 11:24:33 PM11/29/15
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We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
Payne gave him driving lessons.
Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
impostor.
One could speculate that the intelligence agency at the heart of this was
playing a deadly covert game and manipulating the real Oswald. This
explains the conflicting attributes ascribed to LHO. More to think
about.............
seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
Payne gave him driving lessons.
Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
impostor.
One could speculate that the intelligence agency at the heart of this was
playing a deadly covert game and manipulating the real Oswald. This
explains the conflicting attributes ascribed to LHO. More to think
about.............
BOZ
Nov 30, 2015, 4:44:59 PM11/30/15
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OHLeeRedux
Nov 30, 2015, 4:45:32 PM11/30/15
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John Paul Jones
You can't possibly be serious.
That isn't the most ridiculous theory I've ever heard, but it ranks right
up there with James Files on the knoll and Jackie's little dog in the
limo.
That isn't the most ridiculous theory I've ever heard, but it ranks right
up there with James Files on the knoll and Jackie's little dog in the
limo.
mainframetech
Nov 30, 2015, 9:34:41 PM11/30/15
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doubt it. His personality from what we can glean seems likely to get
irritatd and suspect aomething and try to find a way to stop it. He would
be leery of being talked into doing anything after that, such as being
talked into bringing his rifle to work.
Chris
Ralph Cinque
Nov 30, 2015, 9:40:35 PM11/30/15
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John,
According to John Armstrong, there was a brief time in New Orleans when
the two Oswalds- and by that, I mean the two young men who were both
living their home, school, and workaday lives, their whole existence, as
Lee Harvey Oswald- were working for two separate freight companies that
were located on different floors of the same building. Doesn't it seem
likely that they would have encountered each other?
I shall ask John Armstrong to comment.
Please be careful how you use the term "real" Oswald because the Oswald of
fame was not the real LHO, meaning the one was born LHO, yet, he was the
the real LHO of the story since he was the one who worked at the TSBD, got
framed, etc.
According to John Armstrong, there was a brief time in New Orleans when
the two Oswalds- and by that, I mean the two young men who were both
living their home, school, and workaday lives, their whole existence, as
Lee Harvey Oswald- were working for two separate freight companies that
were located on different floors of the same building. Doesn't it seem
likely that they would have encountered each other?
I shall ask John Armstrong to comment.
Please be careful how you use the term "real" Oswald because the Oswald of
fame was not the real LHO, meaning the one was born LHO, yet, he was the
the real LHO of the story since he was the one who worked at the TSBD, got
framed, etc.
Anthony Marsh
Nov 30, 2015, 9:43:29 PM11/30/15
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On 11/29/2015 11:24 PM, John Paul Jones wrote:
> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>
No. Oswald did not say he was out front. We can't even be sure he left
> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>
by the front door.
> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
You don't want to know how many people are arrested here every year for
driving without a driver's license. I had a 2 month gap without a
license because the RMV was slow in downgrading me from the CDL to a
Class D.
> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>
> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
> impostor.
>
> One could speculate that the intelligence agency at the heart of this was
> playing a deadly covert game and manipulating the real Oswald. This
> explains the conflicting attributes ascribed to LHO. More to think
> about.............
>
ONI, DIA?
>
121...@gmail.com
Nov 30, 2015, 11:35:50 PM11/30/15
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Who specificaly is this "We" that established there were 2 Oswalds in the
TSBD and what supporting documentation does this "WE" have to prove it is
so? When does "We" plan on showing this documentation to the world?
TSBD and what supporting documentation does this "WE" have to prove it is
so? When does "We" plan on showing this documentation to the world?
Jason Burke
Dec 1, 2015, 8:10:25 PM12/1/15
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You *do* enjoy fiction, don't you, Ralph?
John Paul Jones
Dec 1, 2015, 8:11:51 PM12/1/15
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On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, John Paul Jones wrote:
> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>
> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>
> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
> impostor.
>
In addition Frank Stugis told a young Bill Oreilly on his program that he encountered a LHO in Miami and had a fierce fight with him. The real LHO was probably not someone who could have fought Sturgis.
> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>
> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>
> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
> impostor.
>
Anthony Marsh
Dec 2, 2015, 10:05:59 AM12/2/15
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John Paul Jones
Dec 3, 2015, 12:35:14 AM12/3/15
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On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, John Paul Jones wrote:
Phillips it was likely the impostor not the real LHO.
In addition............Oswald's body was exhumed by the family with the
consent of authorities who were concerned about the identity of the body
in the grave. Giving credence to the suspicion by the government.
Anthony Marsh
Dec 3, 2015, 2:34:21 PM12/3/15
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On 12/1/2015 8:11 PM, John Paul Jones wrote:
> On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, John Paul Jones wrote:
>> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
>> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
>> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
>> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>>
>> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
>> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
>> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>>
>> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
>> impostor.
>>
>
> In addition Frank Stugis told a young Bill Oreilly on his program that he encountered a LHO in Miami and had a fierce fight with him. The real LHO was probably not someone who could have fought Sturgis.
No, not the real Lee Harvey Oswald. He wouldn't last 2 seconds against
> On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, John Paul Jones wrote:
>> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
>> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
>> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
>> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>>
>> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
>> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
>> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>>
>> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
>> impostor.
>>
>
> In addition Frank Stugis told a young Bill Oreilly on his program that he encountered a LHO in Miami and had a fierce fight with him. The real LHO was probably not someone who could have fought Sturgis.
Frank Sturgis. Unless it was a phony fight for the press like at the
International Trade building.
Anthony Marsh
Dec 4, 2015, 12:19:05 PM12/4/15
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stevemg...@yahoo.com
Dec 4, 2015, 8:38:18 PM12/4/15
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decades he said Bishop was not Phillips. It's only recently that he said
he believed Bishop, whom he met numerous times, was Phillips.
So, he met Bishop numerous times over several years and only recently says
he was Phillips? After saying he wasn't for years? Is that credible?
He also said the meeting between Maurice Bishop and a man he later said
was Oswald took place in Dallas in late August or early September. All of
the evidence indicates that Oswald was in New Orleans during that time.
He has zero credibility to me at this point.
Anthony Marsh
Dec 6, 2015, 8:23:13 AM12/6/15
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On 12/4/2015 8:38 PM, stevemg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 11:35:14 PM UTC-6, John Paul Jones wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, John Paul Jones wrote:
>>> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
>>> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
>>> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
>>> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>>>
>>> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
>>> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
>>> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>>>
>>> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
>>> impostor.
>>>
>>> One could speculate that the intelligence agency at the heart of this was
>>> playing a deadly covert game and manipulating the real Oswald. This
>>> explains the conflicting attributes ascribed to LHO. More to think
>>> about.............
>>
>> To Continue............When Veciana described seeing Oswald with David
>> Phillips it was likely the impostor not the real LHO.
>>
>> In addition............Oswald's body was exhumed by the family with the
>> consent of authorities who were concerned about the identity of the body
>> in the grave. Giving credence to the suspicion by the government.
>
> Veciana said the meeting was between Maurice Bishop and Oswald. For
> decades he said Bishop was not Phillips. It's only recently that he said
> he believed Bishop, whom he met numerous times, was Phillips.
>
Because he was in fear for his life.
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 11:35:14 PM UTC-6, John Paul Jones wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, John Paul Jones wrote:
>>> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
>>> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
>>> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
>>> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>>>
>>> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
>>> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
>>> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>>>
>>> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
>>> impostor.
>>>
>>> One could speculate that the intelligence agency at the heart of this was
>>> playing a deadly covert game and manipulating the real Oswald. This
>>> explains the conflicting attributes ascribed to LHO. More to think
>>> about.............
>>
>> To Continue............When Veciana described seeing Oswald with David
>> Phillips it was likely the impostor not the real LHO.
>>
>> In addition............Oswald's body was exhumed by the family with the
>> consent of authorities who were concerned about the identity of the body
>> in the grave. Giving credence to the suspicion by the government.
>
> Veciana said the meeting was between Maurice Bishop and Oswald. For
> decades he said Bishop was not Phillips. It's only recently that he said
> he believed Bishop, whom he met numerous times, was Phillips.
>
> So, he met Bishop numerous times over several years and only recently says
> he was Phillips? After saying he wasn't for years? Is that credible?
>
That's why he went with an HSCA staffer to observe Phillips.
> He also said the meeting between Maurice Bishop and a man he later said
> was Oswald took place in Dallas in late August or early September. All of
> the evidence indicates that Oswald was in New Orleans during that time.
>
But several CIA officers used the alias Maurice Bishop. Just like
Knight, which E. Howard Hunt used occasionally.
> He has zero credibility to me at this point.
>
You are biased in favor of the CIA.
stevemg...@yahoo.com
Dec 9, 2015, 8:22:12 PM12/9/15
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wasn't Bishop. That's what he told the HSCA.
My bias is in favor of the truth. We all know what your biases are.
They're certainly not mine.
Anthony Marsh
Dec 10, 2015, 10:41:11 PM12/10/15
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Again, he was in fear for his life. Someone tried to kill him.
> My bias is in favor of the truth. We all know what your biases are.
>
> They're certainly not mine.
>
>
John Paul Jones
Dec 17, 2015, 6:13:59 PM12/17/15
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On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, John Paul Jones wrote:
> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>
> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>
> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
> impostor.
The point is that Veciana saw the impostor with Philips,not the real LHO.
> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>
> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>
> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
> impostor.
So the real LHO"s whereabouts are irrelevant.
Anthony Marsh
Dec 19, 2015, 8:44:05 PM12/19/15
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On 12/17/2015 6:13 PM, John Paul Jones wrote:
> On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, John Paul Jones wrote:
>> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
>> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
>> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
>> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>>
>> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
>> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
>> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>>
>> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
>> impostor.
>
> The point is that Veciana saw the impostor with Philips,not the real LHO.
> So the real LHO"s whereabouts are irrelevant.
>
Which Oswald, Lee, Harvey, or Henry?
> On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, John Paul Jones wrote:
>> We have established that there was likely two Oswalds at the TSBD. One
>> seen existing the front entrance and confirmed by Oswald's admission
>> during interrogation. The other seen exiting the rear entrance down the
>> loading dock as witnessed by Buell Frazier.
>>
>> We have the testimony of James Files who describes a LHO that drove an
>> automobile. Yet we know as per Ruth Payne that Oswald could not drive.
>> Payne gave him driving lessons.
>>
>> Of course we have the Hoover memo indicating a suspicion of an Oswald
>> impostor.
>
> The point is that Veciana saw the impostor with Philips,not the real LHO.
> So the real LHO"s whereabouts are irrelevant.
>
>>
>> One could speculate that the intelligence agency at the heart of this was
>> playing a deadly covert game and manipulating the real Oswald. This
Ace Kefford
Dec 23, 2015, 12:18:55 AM12/23/15
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Harvey was an imaginary rabbit. Oswald was known as Ozzie the Rabbit.
There were eight Hen-a-ries as Herman's Hermits reminded us and there
appear to have been at least eight Lee Oswald's based on differences in
photos and listings of height and weight.
More than a coincidence? I think not. The plot is unraveling.
stevemg...@yahoo.com
Dec 24, 2015, 9:30:54 PM12/24/15
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And again, for decades he said Veciana - who he met up close numerous
times - was not Phillips. Only recently - after denying it at first - has
he said Phillips was Veciana.
Sorry, not much credibility to me.
Anthony Marsh
Dec 26, 2015, 10:30:33 AM12/26/15
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with a different story as long as you LIKE the story.
stevemg...@yahoo.com
Dec 28, 2015, 8:59:23 PM12/28/15
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assassination so you should leave the making up stuff to him.
Although you are pretty good at it.
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