Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
Earl Evleth
Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
By Anne Harding � Tue�Jul�28, 1:35�pm�ET
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) � Higher speed limits led to about 12,500 more
deaths on US roads between 1995 and 2005, a new study in the American
Journal of Public Health shows.
Earlier studies had suggested that any effects of an act of Congress that
eliminated all federal controls on speed limits would be temporary. The
findings debunk those claims, Dr. Lee S. Friedman of the University of
Illinois in Chicago, one of the study's authors, told Reuters Health.
To date, Friedman and his team note in their report, most studies of the
effects of speed limit changes on highway fatalities and injuries have
looked at only a couple of years' worth of data, in only a few states. In
their analysis, the researchers looked at traffic fatalities in every US
state except Massachusetts and Hawaii over the decade after the change in
Federal law.
The National Maximum Speed Law, passed in 1974, put a 55 mph speed limit on
all interstate roads. The law was intended to cut fuel consumption in the
wake of the 1973 oil embargo, but it also led to a 16.4% reduction in car
crash mortality from 1973 to 1974, Friedman and his colleagues note in their
report.
In 1987, Congress passed the Surface Transportation and Uniform Relocation
Assistance Act allowing states to lift the speed limit on rural interstates
to 65 mph, which 41 states did. In 1995, Congress passed the National
Highway Designation Act, which wiped out all federal speed limits.
Overall, Friedman and his team found that increased speed limits led to a
3.2% jump in road deaths. On rural interstates, car crash deaths increased
9.1%, while the increase for urban interstates was 4%.
The biggest increases in deaths due to increased speed limits were seen in
states that had 55 mph speed limits before 1995 and raised them to 65
afterwards.
In states that kept the same speed limits, the number of deaths and injuries
in fatal car crashes actually declined.
Overall, Friedman and his colleagues estimate that the federal law change
led to 12,545 more deaths on US highways, and 36,583 more injuries in fatal
crashes.
Bringing back a federal speed limit could not only save lives, Friedman
noted; it could also reduce carbon emissions and dependence on foreign oil.
The Surface Transportation and Uniform Relocation Assistance Act is coming
up for renewal this November, which could offer an opportunity to put a new
federal speed limit in place, he said.
More speed cameras could also help make roads safer, Friedman added. These
are automated systems that take photos of speeders and their license plates,
and then send the offender a ticket in the mail.
"You don't have the fun of having a police officer pull you over and take
your license," Friedman said. Nevertheless, he added, "these systems are
very effective for reducing and controlling systematic speeding."
John Rennie
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:C695CF5C.1770FE%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
Neither you or Donna has explained why French road casualties are usually
higher that of the British. It might be better to concentrate on that than
to criticise the
Americans yet again Earl.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1208*
Mind you the fact that both the French and the Americans drive on the wrong
side of the road may well have something to with the higher casualty rate in
both countries.
*What are the French figures for the same year?
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Neither you or Donna has explained why French road casualties are usually
> higher that of the British. It might be better to concentrate on that than
> to criticise the
> Americans yet again Earl.
French road deaths have progressively diminished over the years.
If you google the subject you get items like
" Road deaths: France becomes just another EU country"
http://www.eubusiness.com/Transport/060103170350.5fohjs63
In 1972 with figure was about 16,000, currently running
around 5000
Long live French road traffic - it saves lives! - www.arivatanen.com
Road deaths in France have decreased from 8162 in the year 2001 to 4709 in
the ... declared Ari Vatanen, happy to see that the initiative of a French
MEP ...
www.arivatanen.com/.../long-live-french-road-traffic-it-saves-lives.html
***
Like many of the old, John, you live in the past and not the present.
John Rennie
You haven't made the necessary comparison have you?
As your cite states "But France still has some way to go to reach the levels
seen in the Netherlands, Britain..." Nearly twice as many French were
killed re road accidents compared with the British. This figure although
favourable compared with America is still high and certainly doesn't justify
your familiar boasting.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> You haven't made the necessary comparison have you?
Of course the rates have been dropping in Europe over the years,
http://www.driveandstayalive.com/info%20section/statistics/multi-country_dea
th-rates_1988-2001.htm
indicates this.
In 2002 the French rate (deaths per 100,000) was lower than the American but
higher than the UK rate. Since the Americans drive more the date per
100 million passenger miles shows the US with a rate comparable to the UK
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html#Smoking. If you don't drive
you don't died in traffic accidents
> As your cite states "But France still has some way to go to reach the levels
> seen in the Netherlands, Britain..."
In comparison there are always those higher and lower.
> Nearly twice as many French were
> killed re road accidents compared with the British. This figure although
> favourable compared with America is still high and certainly doesn't justify
> your familiar boasting.
My posting was about the effect of increasing the driving speed limit in the
US.
You tried to expand it to sometime else. This is normal newsgroup
behavior.
So I will now talk about heart attack rates
Health
Glasgow: The world's heart attack capital
Heart disease rates are alarmingly high in Glasgow
Glasgow women suffer the highest heart attack rate in the world, according
to the largest international study of coronary disease yet conducted.
The worldwide study, involving 15 million people, also found that Glasgow
men have the second-highest heart attack rate.
It involved academics at 37 centres in 21 countries covering four
continents, and took 10 years to produce.
In a continuous study of 100,000 women in Glasgow North City from 1985 to
1994, 265 of the patients suffered heart attacks.
Glasgow has a high smoking rate
Lead author of the report, Professor Hugh Tunstall-Pedoe, of the
Cardiovascular Epidemiology Unit of Dundee University, said: "For females
Glasgow was way ahead of anywhere else. The next was Belfast with 188.
"The Scottish part of the study was done in an area of north Glasgow, which
has one of the highest concentrations of social deprivation in the city."
Despite the World Health Organisation Monica Project (Monitoring
Cardiovascular disease) reporting an overall fall in heart disease, levels
for Glasgow women remained constant.
The Monica project, which used patients aged between 35 and 64, revealed
that 777 out of the 100,000 Glasgow men involved in the project suffered
heart attacks.
The Glasgow figure was 10 times higher than Beijing (China), Catalonia
(Spain), Vaud Fribourg (Switzerland) and Toulouse (France) - the areas which
experienced the lowest heart attack rates.
The only place to record a worse record than Glasgow was North Karelia in
Finland, where 835 heart attacks were recorded.
The consortium of academics reported an overall fall in heart attack figures
over the 10-year study period of 2.1%.
The largest percentage decrease occurred in North Karelia, where heart
attacks were down by 6.8%. But for males in Glasgow the percentage decrease
was just 2.3%.
The results of the project, published in The Lancet medical journal, showed
that 48.2% of Glasgow's male heart attack victims died within 28 days and
46.4% of the female victims died within the same time period.
High risk factor level
Glasgow Co-Principal Investigator Dr Caroline Morrison said: "I think this
is probably to do with the high level of risk factors involved. In
particular there are particularly high levels of smoking among women and
people tend to live the high risk lifestyles associated with poor areas.
"Statistics show that nearly as many females smoke as men in that part of
the city and there is a lot of socio-economic deprivation. The fact that we
have very high rates for men and women is worrying, but we are doing
something about that."
Dr Morrison said health care was now being tailored to stop people suffering
heart attacks in the first place by addressing the risk factors.
She said that continuing studies, which have been carried out after 1994,
indicated that the number of heart attacks in the city were beginning to
fall.
She said: "The results of this survey would have been disappointing if we
did not know that things were getting better.
"We have got to play the long term game and in terms of medical care we are
doing as well as anywhere else and that is encouraging. But the results of
this study shows that people are not eating enough fruit and vegetables,
which is just as damaging as having a high fat diet."
Belfast was the only other UK centre used for the project and alarmingly
high levels of heart disease were also recorded for males in the Northern
Ireland capital. Belfast recorded the fourth highest male figures.
A total of 695 men suffered heart attacks over the period and 41% of them
died within 28 days.
John Rennie
I heard a Glasgow Health administrator being questioned on the
BBC. "You've got the highest rates of heart disease in Britain"
The response: "Britain be blowed. We've got the highest rates
in Europe" Glasgow is another world, Earl. Indeed some who have
been brought up and bred there do their very best to wipe the
place entirely from their mind.
>
> Belfast was the only other UK centre used for the project and alarmingly
> high levels of heart disease were also recorded for males in the Northern
> Ireland capital. Belfast recorded the fourth highest male figures.
>
> A total of 695 men suffered heart attacks over the period and 41% of them
> died within 28 days.
>
I posted the remarkable low statistics for murders in
England and Wales recently (without comment from you)
but I also published those for Scotland. They weren't
low; they showed that Scotland had the second or third
fastest rising murder rate in Europe. Much of that
increase is due to Glasgow.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> I posted the remarkable low statistics for murders in
> England and Wales recently (without comment from you)
> but I also published those for Scotland. They weren't
> low; they showed that Scotland had the second or third
> fastest rising murder rate in Europe. Much of that
> increase is due to Glasgow
I made a comment on one posting about household gun ownership
in France being about 20%. We have a lot of long guns around
and lots of hunters.
So I did make a comment previously. I don't remember the
reference to Scotland.
John Rennie
Comment amended: the fastest rate in Europe.
Donna Evleth
> From: "John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:56:12 +0100
> Subject: Re: Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
I admit I simply don't know why French road casualties are higher that the
British. Alcohol may have something to do with it, but I really don't know.
And currently don't have the time to research it.
> http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1208*
>
> Mind you the fact that both the French and the Americans drive on the wrong
> side of the road may well have something to with the higher casualty rate in
> both countries.
I hate to think about thhe accidents I would cause if I had to start driving
on the left. My left hand is something that dangles almost uselessly from
my left arm. I absolutely cannot shift gears with it, even the minimal gear
shifting required with automatic transmission. I suspect this is the reason
so many countries shifted to right hand drive: so many more people were
right handed, and could thus shift gears much more reliably, once the gear
shifting area moved to the center of the car.
Donna Evleth
John Rennie
"Donna Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:C696598E.80637%dev...@wanadoo.fr...
Rubbish. The Romans used the correct side of the road
in order to keep the weapons normally used with their right hands useful in
case of meeting adversaries. Napoleon realised his infantry was vulnerable
to cavalry and marched them on the right side of the road. Wherever he
conquered
the French way prevailed and was copied by those countries adjacent to them.
Don't you use your left hand for anything, Donna? The piano for instance or
even knitting - both far more complex exercises than handling a gear stick.
Those that drive on the left have the 'active' side of their body or brain
towards
the, let's say, dangerous part of the road, the part where's there's
oncoming traffic - remember there's still plenty of two lane roads in the
UK.
I suppose another reason for the lesser number of road deaths are the many
twists and turns on our roads - one doesn't relax that much when driving.
It is often when one is overly relaxed that accidents occur.
(I almost wish I hadn't got Bill killfiled. One thing I'm certain of is
that he is not allowed to drive here for the reasons I have made plain a
number of times)
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
What's more important, driving the car or shifting? I think the
hand on the wheel matters. Something to note is that being right or
left handed doesn't limit the dexterity of the other hand, at least
I don't think it does. What it does is set your default side. For
example, which hand has to be more dextrous when playing the
guitar?
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
Damn, Earl... you don't remember what you had for breakfast.
Planet Visitor II
http://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/dictionary.html
"I've looked at life from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all" -- JM
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> Conclusion: nothing will be done.
>
> Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
>
>
> By Anne Harding � Tue Jul 28, 1:35 pm ET
>
> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) � Higher speed limits led to about 12,500 more
> deaths on US roads between 1995 and 2005, a new study in the American
> Journal of Public Health shows.
>
Have you ever looked at the remaining time that those dead people
had to live on the earth in hours and compared it to the time
everyone else saves by driving faster?
> The biggest increases in deaths due to increased speed limits were seen in
> states that had 55 mph speed limits before 1995 and raised them to 65
> afterwards.
>
> In states that kept the same speed limits, the number of deaths and injuries
> in fatal car crashes actually declined.
>
Why is this a shock if you are claiming that speed kills? They
didn't change the limits, so no speed doesn't kill.
> Overall, Friedman and his colleagues estimate that the federal law change
> led to 12,545 more deaths on US highways, and 36,583 more injuries in fatal
> crashes.
>
> Bringing back a federal speed limit could not only save lives, Friedman
> noted; it could also reduce carbon emissions and dependence on foreign oil.
>
Oh no, he's got a political agenda. First he's a mind everyone
else's business safety freak and he's an Al bloody Gore.
> The Surface Transportation and Uniform Relocation Assistance Act is coming
> up for renewal this November, which could offer an opportunity to put a new
> federal speed limit in place, he said.
>
There's nothing like a study with an agenda.
> More speed cameras could also help make roads safer, Friedman added. These
>
More and bigger government, following your every move. That is what
is needed, then you'll never die.
> are automated systems that take photos of speeders and their license plates,
> and then send the offender a ticket in the mail.
>
> "You don't have the fun of having a police officer pull you over and take
> your license," Friedman said. Nevertheless, he added, "these systems are
> very effective for reducing and controlling systematic speeding."
>
I think that the politicians who support this crap should be tossed
out of office.
--
I heard Clinton buried a time capsule at his new presidential
library sized like an overseas shipping container filled with stuff
he didn't want anyone to find till long after his death, the real
deed to Whitewater, the envelope for the Tyson Foods chicken
payoffs, the real gun he used to whack Foster, the keys to the
Exocet missile he took Ron Brown out with, copies of another few
thousand illegally acquired FBI files on his enemies, tickets to
Tahiti from the White House Travel Office, a few more soiled
dresses, a couple of cases of well chewed Cuban cigars, and the
unabridged version of his autobiography. That last one was touch
and go just getting the bugger in.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> Rubbish. The Romans used the correct side of the road
> in order to keep the weapons normally used with their right hands useful in
> case of meeting adversaries.
And what happened to the Romans?
Earl Evleth
'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>
>
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>>
>
>>
> Have you ever looked at the remaining time that those dead people
> had to live on the earth in hours and compared it to the time
> everyone else saves by driving faster?
The "missed" life factor enters in to insurance settlements.
A person of 80 killed in a car accident does not have the same
"value" as a 30 yr old brillian CEO.
>
> Why is this a shock if you are claiming that speed kills? They
> didn't change the limits, so no speed doesn't kill.
The article says that US road deaths rose with speed limit increases.
It is more complicated than that since road conditions are important.
Death rates in Germany are lower than the US.
In France part of the decrease in death rates occurred through improvement
of roads, the autoroutes have a much lower death rate than the nationals.
The other factor was getting tougher on alcohol.
Currently working against this is the increase in use of cell phones.
Your other comments were BS, go back to tributyltin.
hls
>
>
>
>
>
> Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
When the speed limit was 55 mph, a large part of the population ignored
them. CB radios and radar detectors were in vogue.
Our highways and cars are for the most part very capable of speeds of 70
mph, but I suppose if we were to go back to the horse and buggy then
deaths would also drop.
The 55 mph limit was hated by most here.
John Rennie
"hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote in message
news:96udnatkAtnZE-zX...@giganews.com...
The 70mph limit on British M roads is regarded as the minimum speed limit.
Earl Evleth
"hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> When the speed limit was 55 mph, a large part of the population ignored
> them. CB radios and radar detectors were in vogue.
Then you admit that a large number of Americans were habitual law breakers!
> Our highways and cars are for the most part very capable of speeds of 70
> mph, but I suppose if we were to go back to the horse and buggy then
> deaths would also drop.
Why where more people dying?
> The 55 mph limit was hated by most here.
Especially the suicide prone.
***
Buy the way the limit here in France is 130 km (81 mph) on the autoroute
although one can do 140 (86) mph and get away with it.
However, the French have good reason to drive fast, getting to the
next great restaurant.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote in message
> news:96udnatkAtnZE-zX...@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>> deaths would also drop.
>>
>> The 55 mph limit was hated by most here.
>
> The 70mph limit on British M roads is regarded as the minimum speed limit.
>
>
I already baited him.
There is a 90 km/hr on trucks and that is respected. It is a bitch
in the sense that of the two lanes on the autoroute, the damn
semis are driving much slower than the cars are. There is a minimum
speed for cars on the autoroute around the same. The other
summer traffic jam maker at those dragging trailers or boats
on trailers. The summer roads also have a number with
objects strapped to the roof of the cars.
Of all of them the motorcycle freaks come roaring up from behind
at supersonic speeds passing all in whatever manner they can.
As I remember Desmond is a freak.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 30/07/09 14:12, in article 96udnatkAtnZE-zX...@giganews.com,
> "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
>
> > When the speed limit was 55 mph, a large part of the population ignored
> > them. CB radios and radar detectors were in vogue.
>
> Then you admit that a large number of Americans were habitual law breakers!
>
Is there some question that Americans didn't follow the 55mph speed
limit all that seriously? It's not clear that 55 mph is safer if it
means driving 8 hours in a day instead of 7.
> > Our highways and cars are for the most part very capable of speeds of 70
> > mph, but I suppose if we were to go back to the horse and buggy then
> > deaths would also drop.
>
> Why where more people dying?
>
Are your claims actually true?:
www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810791.PDF
#begin quote
Page 1
A preview of results from the 2006 Annual Assessment of Motor
Vehicle Traffic Crash Fatalities and Injuries shows that
the number of people killed in the United States in motor vehicle
traffic crashes declined from 43,510 in 2005 to 42,642,
the lowest level in five years. This decline is the largest in
terms of both number and percentage since 1992. The preview
data (see Table 1) shows the decline in fatalities occurred for
passenger car occupants, light-truck occupants, and
nonmotorists (pedestrian and pedalcyclists). However, motorcycle
rider fatalities continued their nine-year increase,
reaching 4,810 in 2006. Motorcycle rider fatalities now account for
11 percent of total fatalities, exceeding the number of
pedestrian fatalities for the first time since NHTSA began
collecting fatal motor vehicle crash data in 1975. The drop in
passenger car occupant fatalities was for the fourth year in a row,
while the drop in light-truck occupant fatalities was the
first since 1992
#end quote
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
#begin quote
2008 2007 2006 2005
34,017 37,435 38,648 39,252
#end quote
> > The 55 mph limit was hated by most here.
>
> Especially the suicide prone.
>
> ***
>
> Buy the way the limit here in France is 130 km (81 mph) on the autoroute
> although one can do 140 (86) mph and get away with it.
>
> However, the French have good reason to drive fast, getting to the
> next great restaurant.
>
Quote Earl supra: "Especially the suicide prone." So you view going
faster than 55mph to be "suicidal" yet you think that the French
should be doing this just to get to a decent place to eat, maybe
with some burgers and fries.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 30/07/09 7:43, in article 4A7132E4...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Earl Evleth wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>
> > Have you ever looked at the remaining time that those dead people
> > had to live on the earth in hours and compared it to the time
> > everyone else saves by driving faster?
>
> The "missed" life factor enters in to insurance settlements.
> A person of 80 killed in a car accident does not have the same
> "value" as a 30 yr old brillian CEO.
>
I'm asking you to compare this loss to the time gained by driving
faster.
>
> > Why is this a shock if you are claiming that speed kills? They
> > didn't change the limits, so no speed doesn't kill.
>
> The article says that US road deaths rose with speed limit increases.
>
The government says that road deaths are going down other than for
motorcycles.
> It is more complicated than that since road conditions are important.
> Death rates in Germany are lower than the US.
>
> In France part of the decrease in death rates occurred through improvement
> of roads, the autoroutes have a much lower death rate than the nationals.
> The other factor was getting tougher on alcohol.
>
So your entire argument is not true?
> Currently working against this is the increase in use of cell phones.
>
>
> Your other comments were BS, go back to tributyltin.
>
What's that supposed to mean?
Earl Evleth
>> However, the French have good reason to drive fast, getting to the
>> next great restaurant.
>>
> Quote Earl supra: "Especially the suicide prone."
The French don't eat themselves to death, that is an American
and English habit.
Earl Evleth
> Your other comments were BS, go back to tributyltin.
>>
> What's that supposed to mean?
Back to something you really don't know, demonstrated
by me.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
What didn't I know?
--
I heard Clinton buried a time capsule at his new presidental
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
But you were saying that driving more than 55 mph was "suicide
prone".
--
I heard Clinton buried a time capsule at his new presidential
Earl Evleth
> But you were saying that driving more than 55 mph was "suicide
> prone".
At 70 on poor American roads presents a problem
Donna Evleth
> From: "John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:12:04 +0100
It is ironic that you should bring up knitting and the piano. I was a good
middle class child of a Victorian mother, and she tried to teach me both of
those nice feminine skills. I failed miserably at both of them. I quit
piano lessons after three years of getting nowhere, and I lasted even less
long with knitting. My attempts grew gray with dirt because they had to be
pulled out and redone so often. It may well have been because I am so very,
very right handed. My mother was left handed, so perhaps those skills came
more easily to her.
>
> I suppose another reason for the lesser number of road deaths are the many
> twists and turns on our roads - one doesn't relax that much when driving.
> It is often when one is overly relaxed that accidents occur.
It is true that one is more alert on curving roads. I will be driving on
one this summer, coming down out of the mountains from Grenoble heading for
the south of France. One is busy all the time.
>
> (I almost wish I hadn't got Bill killfiled. One thing I'm certain of is
> that he is not allowed to drive here for the reasons I have made plain a
> number of times)
Donna Evleth
>
>
Donna Evleth
> From: "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:53:19 -0100
I would think the guitar would be primarily played with the dominant hand.
But since I don't play the guitar, I don't really know. As to shifting, I
believe that it is more important to have the dominant shifting, since the
other hand is merely keeping the wheel steady during this process, not so
hard.
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
> From: "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:43:00 -0100
> Subject: Re: Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
>
>
>
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>>
>> Conclusion: nothing will be done.
>>
>> Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
>>
>>
>> By Anne Harding � Tue Jul 28, 1:35 pm ET
>>
>> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) � Higher speed limits led to about 12,500 more
>> deaths on US roads between 1995 and 2005, a new study in the American
>> Journal of Public Health shows.
>>
> Have you ever looked at the remaining time that those dead people
> had to live on the earth in hours and compared it to the time
> everyone else saves by driving faster?
What a weird idea! People should stop worrying about how many people are
killed by speeders in traffic accidents, because the speeders are saving
time? To do what, pray tell? What could it be that is more important than
a human life?
Oh never mind, this probably just another example of the famous Bill Bonde
satire. Even if it isn't you will tell me it is. So never mind.
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Donna Evleth wrote:
>
> > From: "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> > <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> > those who come after us.
> > Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:43:00 -0100
> > Subject: Re: Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
> >
> >
> >
> > Earl Evleth wrote:
> >>
> >> Conclusion: nothing will be done.
> >>
> >> Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
> >>
> >>
> >> By Anne Harding � Tue Jul 28, 1:35 pm ET
> >>
> >> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) � Higher speed limits led to about 12,500 more
> >> deaths on US roads between 1995 and 2005, a new study in the American
> >> Journal of Public Health shows.
> >>
> > Have you ever looked at the remaining time that those dead people
> > had to live on the earth in hours and compared it to the time
> > everyone else saves by driving faster?
>
> What a weird idea! People should stop worrying about how many people are
> killed by speeders in traffic accidents, because the speeders are saving
> time? To do what, pray tell? What could it be that is more important than
> a human life?
>
By that argument, the speed limit should be 5 mph. If you assume
that the time in the car is wasted, then by saving that time and
comparing it to the time lost by getting killed in a car accident,
you can find the most efficient speed limit. It might be 100 mph.
> Oh never mind, this probably just another example of the famous Bill Bonde
> satire. Even if it isn't you will tell me it is. So never mind.
>
It is humorous but it's also a real thing to consider. I suppose
that's the best sort of comment, one that can be taken as humour
and as a deep truth.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
What are you talking about?
--
I heard Clinton buried a time capsule at his new presidental
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
The guitar is played with both hands. So that presents a problem if
one hand is not as capable as the other. It might be that the right
hand technique is more difficult than the left hand in some guitar
playing. But that doesn't mean it must be so and both are
potentially very complicated.
BTW, Django Reinhardt injured his left hand in a fire and had to
relearn to play guitar only two fingers. He didn't switch from
fretting with his left hand even though he used a flat pick with
his right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_Reinhard
#begin quote
At the age of 18, Reinhardt was injured in a fire that ravaged the
caravan he shared with Florine "Bella" Mayer, his first wife.[4]
They were very poor, and to supplement their income Bella made
imitation flowers out of celluloid and paper. Consequently, their
home was full of this highly flammable material. Returning from a
performance late one night, Django apparently knocked over a candle
on his way to bed. While his family and neighbors were quick to
pull him to safety, he received first- and second-degree burns over
half his body. His right leg was paralyzed and the third and fourth
fingers of his left hand were badly burnt. Doctors believed that he
would never play guitar again and intended to amputate one of his
legs.[5] Reinhardt refused to have the surgery and left the
hospital after a short time; he was able to walk within a year with
the aid of a cane.
His brother Joseph Reinhardt, an accomplished guitarist himself,
bought Django a new guitar. With painful rehabilitation and
practice Django relearned his craft in a completely new way, even
as his third and fourth fingers remained partially paralyzed. He
played all of his guitar solos with only two fingers, and managed
to use the two injured digits only for chord work.
#end quote
> As to shifting, I
> believe that it is more important to have the dominant shifting, since the
> other hand is merely keeping the wheel steady during this process, not so
> hard.
>
Even when heel-toe downshifting in a 5th gear four wheel drift
around a tight corner? At some point, the whole matter is bloody
complicated.
Potentially confusing terms used in this post:
"heel-toe"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel-and-toe
#begin quote
Heel-and-toe is a driving technique used mostly in performance
driving[1], although some drivers use it on the road in everyday
conditions in the interests of effectiveness. It involves operating
the throttle and brake pedals simultaneously with the right foot,
while facilitating normal activation of the clutch with the left
foot. It is used when braking and downshifting simultaneously
(prior to entering a turn), and allows the driver to "blip" the
throttle to raise the engine speed and smoothly engage the lower
gear.
...
Heel-toe or heel-and-toe double-declutching is used before entry
into a turn while a vehicle is under braking, preparing the
transmission to be in the optimal gear to accelerate out of the
turn. One benefit of downshifting before entering a turn is to
eliminate the jolt to the drivetrain, or any other unwanted
dynamics. The jolt will not upset the vehicle as badly when going
in a straight line, but the same jolt while turning may upset the
vehicle enough to cause loss of control if it occurs after the turn
has begun. Another benefit is that "heel-and-toeing" allows you to
downshift at the last moment before entering the turn, after you
have started braking and the car has slowed, so the engine speed
when the lower gear is engaged will not be too high.
Performance vehicles are usually modified (if necessary) so that
the heights of the brake and accelerator pedals are closely matched
and the pedals are not too far apart, to permit easy use of
heel-and-toe.
The name, stemming from earlier automotive designs where the
accelerator pedal was on the left and could be actuated with the
heel while the brake pedal was actuated with the toe, is misleading
regarding how the technique is carried out in modern cars, i.e.,
operating the brake with the left edge of the foot, while rocking
it down and to the right to operate the throttle. With practice, it
becomes possible to smoothly and independently operate both pedals
with one foot. The technique is common in all forms of motorsport,
especially rallying.
#end quote
"four wheel drift"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motorsport_terminology
#begin quote
In motor racing, a cornering technique (also called a four-wheel
drift) where a car takes a high-speed corner held at an angle on
the track without major steering inputs, balancing natural
understeer with power oversteer.
#end quote
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
That's about what I'd set it at, too. It's about the same as the
110km/h limit on some Oz roads.
--
"...and I got my middle name from somebody who
obviously didn't think I'd ever run for
President." - Barack Obama
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> It is humorous but it's also a real thing to consider. I suppose
> that's the best sort of comment, one that can be taken as humour
> and as a deep truth.
What you consider "a deep truth", Bill, is what sane people often
consider "a deep pile of bull puckey".
HTH. HaND.
Earl Evleth
>> At 70 on poor American roads presents a problem
>>
> What are you talking about?
You know that one NY Senator was known as Senator Pothole because
of his insistent that something be done about the problem in
his state. Once I was driving a rented car in NY and hit
one at a good speed, and I thought the car was wrecked.
***
Poor Road Conditions Result in Half of Traffic Deaths
by Andrea Bernstein
NEW YORK, NY July 03, 2009 �As travellers take to the roads this holiday
weekend, a new study finds poor U.S. road conditions contribute to half of
all traffic deaths. And New York and New Jersey pay some of the highest
costs for those accidents in the nation. WNYC's Andrea Bernstein reports.
The study was done for the Transportation Construction Coalition, a group
that advocates road-building. Taking U.S. Department of Transportation data,
the study finds that poor road conditions are the single most lethal
contributing factor in traffic accidents, greater than speeding, alcohol, or
the non-use of seatbelts. In New York, medical costs and lost productivity
amount to about $127,000 per mile of road, and in New Jersey, it's even
higher, $154,000. The report comes as the nation's highway trust fund is
running out of money because of lower revenues from gas taxes, and as the
White House is pushing for an 18-month delay in expanded transportation
spending.
$$$$$
Tu comprends maintenant, coco?
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 30/07/09 20:29, in article 4A71E691...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >> At 70 on poor American roads presents a problem
> >>
> > What are you talking about?
>
> You know that one NY Senator was known as Senator Pothole because
> of his insistent that something be done about the problem in
> his state. Once I was driving a rented car in NY and hit
> one at a good speed, and I thought the car was wrecked.
>
New York State has uneven a lot of things. Apparently they have
rather a joke of a justice system in some of their courts in the
rural areas. But this doesn't mean as New York goes, so goes the
nation.
> ***
>
> Poor Road Conditions Result in Half of Traffic Deaths
>
So just fix the pot holes and 20,000 people don't die each year?
--
I heard Clinton buried a time capsule at his new presidential
Earl Evleth
> So just fix the pot holes and 20,000 people don't die each year?
More than that.
One feature of French roads which are dangerous are the three lane
sections of the nationals. The middle lane is for passing, in either
direction, and it is a built in accident trap.
The autoroutes have low low death rates.
The problem in the US is the neglect of infrastructure while the
nation wanders around the world going into various wars and
wasting needed funds.
The specification for road construction (thickness, type of
materials used) have been lower in the US than Europe.
Since heavy duty truck traffic causes the major damage to
roads, the roads get torn up more. Weather is another factor
(water and freeze), it is more severe in certain parts of the US.
than France.
When I posted "potholes" I mean any road damage which causes
instability in driving when driven over.
Cities have self-made limits of liability in this area.
For instance, this letter from the web
***
A friend was driving in the city in December and ran into a big pothole on
St. Clair W. causing about a $1,000 in damage to her wheel and tire. She put
a claim in to the city for the $1,000 and the adjuster just wrote her back
that they were denying her claim as the city had no responsibility since
they inspect the street twice a week and the city can not be seen to be
negligent as pot holes can appear and they are impossible to predict or
prevent.
*****
An act of God yet!
So they are saying "so sue us".
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 31/07/09 8:45, in article 4A7292F5...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > So just fix the pot holes and 20,000 people don't die each year?
>
> More than that.
>
> One feature of French roads which are dangerous are the three lane
> sections of the nationals. The middle lane is for passing, in either
> direction, and it is a built in accident trap.
>
I would think that there is room there for jersey barriers. One of
the big dangers is two lane roads and head on crashes. Many of
these roads should be changed to divided highway but apparently
there isn't enough money. I can't figure out why the gasoline tax
can't be raised since that would encourage people to buy cars with
better gas mileage.
> The autoroutes have low low death rates.
>
In the US, the interstates, I believe, have similar low death
rates, even as they are often set up to go at higher speed limits.
> The problem in the US is the neglect of infrastructure while the
> nation wanders around the world going into various wars and
> wasting needed funds.
>
So let bin Laden have his fun and there'll be plenty of cash for
roads? How much valuable infrastructure was lost in the 9/11
attack? How much is potentially at risk as bin Laden tries to outdo
himself?
> The specification for road construction (thickness, type of
> materials used) have been lower in the US than Europe.
> Since heavy duty truck traffic causes the major damage to
> roads, the roads get torn up more. Weather is another factor
> (water and freeze), it is more severe in certain parts of the US.
> than France.
>
Cite that the US builds crappier interstates than France.
> When I posted "potholes" I mean any road damage which causes
> instability in driving when driven over.
>
And that's half the deaths? I find that hard to believe.
> Cities have self-made limits of liability in this area.
>
> For instance, this letter from the web
>
> ***
>
> A friend was driving in the city in December and ran into a big pothole on
> St. Clair W. causing about a $1,000 in damage to her wheel and tire. She put
> a claim in to the city for the $1,000 and the adjuster just wrote her back
> that they were denying her claim as the city had no responsibility since
> they inspect the street twice a week and the city can not be seen to be
> negligent as pot holes can appear and they are impossible to predict or
> prevent.
>
> *****
>
> An act of God yet!
>
> So they are saying "so sue us".
>
She probably won't, so they have no risk.
Earl Evleth
> I would think that there is room there for jersey barriers.
The expression is unknown to me:.
> One of
> the big dangers is two lane roads and head on crashes. Many of
> these roads should be changed to divided highway but apparently
> there isn't enough money. I can't figure out why the gasoline tax
> can't be raised since that would encourage people to buy cars with
> better gas mileage.
In California the gasoline tax can only be used for the roads.
>
Donna Evleth
> From: dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo)
> Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:56:53 +1000
> Subject: Re: Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
>
> Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> It is humorous but it's also a real thing to consider. I suppose
>> that's the best sort of comment, one that can be taken as humour
>> and as a deep truth.
>
> What you consider "a deep truth", Bill, is what sane people often
> consider "a deep pile of bull puckey".
>
> HTH. HaND.
LOL.
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 31/07/09 18:39, in article 4A731E4A...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > I would think that there is room there for jersey barriers.
>
> The expression is unknown to me:.
>
Do you have access to the internet?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier
> > One of
> > the big dangers is two lane roads and head on crashes. Many of
> > these roads should be changed to divided highway but apparently
> > there isn't enough money. I can't figure out why the gasoline tax
> > can't be raised since that would encourage people to buy cars with
> > better gas mileage.
>
> In California the gasoline tax can only be used for the roads.
>
It can't be wasted on more empty buses? That's good.
--
I heard Clinton buried a time capsule at his new presidental
Earl Evleth
>> I would think that there is room there for jersey barriers.
>>
>> The expression is unknown to me:.
>>
> Do you have access to the internet?:
It did not attract my interest
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
The Internet? Do you now know what a jersey barrier is?
--
I heard Clinton buried a time capsule at his new presidential
Earl Evleth
>> It did not attract my interest
>>
> The Internet? Do you now know what a jersey barrier is?
Don't see a need to. My mind is clutter free and it
will remain so.
Donna Evleth
> From: Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
> Organization: les newsgroups par Orange
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:18:05 +0200
> Subject: Re: Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
>
> On 31/07/09 18:39, in article 4A731E4A...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I would think that there is room there for jersey barriers.
>
> The expression is unknown to me:.
Here you go, from Wikipedia:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
A Jersey barrier is a concrete barrier originally developed as a highway
median.
A Jersey barrier or Jersey wall separates lanes of traffic (often opposing
lanes of traffic) with a goal of minimizing vehicle crossover in the case of
accidents. They have also come into use as a means to keep car bombs away
from perceived targets.
They are also known colloquially as Pennsylvania Separators (in Ohio and
some areas of western New York state), traffic dividers, or K-rails
(especially in the western United States or when used temporarily during
roadway construction)
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
I already posted this, explaining to Earl what the term means. He
then told me: "Don't see a need to [learn what 'jersey barrier
means]. My mind is clutter free and it will remain so." Perhaps
France has a term for jersey barrier which I could learn so I could
continue the conversation, as I'm not afraid of cluttering my mind
with facts.
Earl Evleth
> "Don't see a need to [learn what 'jersey barrier
> means].
This type of separation has a variety of names, none of
which are broadly recognized, the wiki article gives
some of the other names.
The French nationals have some sections of four lane, in which the
on going and oncoming traffic are separated by 20 or so feet of dirt.
The other kind of separation is to have a physical barrier between the
two flows of traffic. The jersey barrier is not a widely used
term, and therefore useless for communication.
The standard separation on the autoroute is shown
at http://www.smart2venice.co.uk/french%20autoroute.JPG
Even though this separation looks flimsy I have never seen a
crossover accident on the autoroute.
The problem with a jersey barrier is seen immediately.
Cost: "The cost per linear foot of New Jersey Barrier is two to three times
the cost of a steel guardrail median barrier."
I don't remember seeing any in California or Florida.
http://images.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/j/je/jersey_ba
rrier.png
If you look at all high concrete road separation barriers you will see tire
marks of those who ridden these barriers pretty high.
I suspect they were inflicted on the state of New Jersey by the mafia
having interest in the concrete companies and road building contracts.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 1/08/09 17:33, in article 4A746053...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > "Don't see a need to [learn what 'jersey barrier
> > means].
>
> This type of separation has a variety of names, none of
> which are broadly recognized, the wiki article gives
> some of the other names.
>
It is illustrative, however, that the name of the article is
"jersey barrier". And for good reason:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier
#begin quote
The Jersey barrier was originally developed at Stevens Institute of
Technology in Hoboken, N.J., United States, under the direction of
the New Jersey State Highway Department[1] to divide multiple lanes
on a highway. A Jersey barrier stands three feet tall and is made
of poured concrete. Their widespread use on the highway has led to
many other uses as a general barrier (for instance, during general
construction projects or constructing temporary walkways).
The design of the Jersey barrier was specifically intended to
minimize damage and reduce the likelihood of a car crossing into
oncoming lanes in the event of a collision. For the more common
shallow angle hits, the Jersey barrier is intended to minimize
sheet metal damage by allowing the vehicle tires to ride up on the
lower sloped face.
#end quote
It turns out that it was invented in New Jersey. I'd be embarassed
too and looking for other names.
> The French nationals have some sections of four lane, in which the
> on going and oncoming traffic are separated by 20 or so feet of dirt.
>
People can just drive over that. Which is really bad.
> The other kind of separation is to have a physical barrier between the
> two flows of traffic. The jersey barrier is not a widely used
> term, and therefore useless for communication.
>
If the devices are poured concrete and look like what I've termed a
"jersey barrier", why not? It's what people call the bloody things.
There is no French wiki page for the 'jersey barrier'. Perhaps you
should add one. The Italians and the Portogese have, however,
stepped up to the plate.
> The standard separation on the autoroute is shown
> at http://www.smart2venice.co.uk/french%20autoroute.JPG
>
> Even though this separation looks flimsy I have never seen a
> crossover accident on the autoroute.
>
Those metal barriers are common but they aren't the best for
seperations between oncoming traffic.
> The problem with a jersey barrier is seen immediately.
>
> Cost: "The cost per linear foot of New Jersey Barrier is two to three times
> the cost of a steel guardrail median barrier."
>
> I don't remember seeing any in California or Florida.
>
Too cheap? People get tired of people getting over the metal and
post barriers or the even less effective cable and post barriers.
Jersey barriers are worth the cost between two high speed and
heavily used pieces of roadway.
> http://images.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/j/je/jersey_ba
> rrier.png
>
> If you look at all high concrete road separation barriers you will see tire
> marks of those who ridden these barriers pretty high.
>
Sure. What would they have done to rail post or cable post systems?
> I suspect they were inflicted on the state of New Jersey by the mafia
> having interest in the concrete companies and road building contracts.
>
That's unlikely. They (and their varients) are clearly better than
steel rail and poll or cable barries, which often fail:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier
#begin quote
The Jersey barrier was originally developed at Stevens Institute of
Technology in Hoboken, N.J., United States, under the direction of
the New Jersey State Highway Department[1] to divide multiple lanes
on a highway. A Jersey barrier stands three feet tall and is made
of poured concrete. Their widespread use on the highway has led to
many other uses as a general barrier (for instance, during general
construction projects or constructing temporary walkways).
The design of the Jersey barrier was specifically intended to
minimize damage and reduce the likelihood of a car crossing into
oncoming lanes in the event of a collision. For the more common
shallow angle hits, the Jersey barrier is intended to minimize
sheet metal damage by allowing the vehicle tires to ride up on the
lower sloped face.
For higher impact angles, the Jersey barrier is a multistage
barrier. The front bumper impacts the upper sloped face and slides
upwards. This interaction initiates lifting of the vehicle. If the
bumper is relatively weak, the front end starts to crush before any
uplift occurs. Then, as the vehicle becomes more nearly parallel
with the barrier, the wheel contacts the lower sloped face. Most of
the additional lift of the vehicle is caused by the lower sloped
face compressing the front suspension. However, wheel
side-scrubbing forces provide some additional lift, particularly if
the barrier face is rough. Therefore, exposed aggregate and other
rough surface finishes should be avoided. Modern vehicles have
relatively short distances between the bumper and the wheel; as a
result, bumper contact is followed almost immediately by wheel
contact.
It is only necessary to lift the vehicle enough to reduce the
friction between the tires and the paved surface. This aids in
banking and redirecting the vehicle. If the vehicle is lifted too
high into the air, it may yaw, pitch, or roll, which can cause the
vehicle to roll over when the wheels come in contact with the
ground again. Concrete safety shape barriers should be adjacent to
a paved surface so that the wheels cannot dig into the soil and
cause the vehicle to overturn.
Modern variations include the constant slope barrier, which has one
constant slope from the base to the top, and the F-shape barrier.
The F-shape is similar to the Jersey barrier in appearance, but has
different angles and is much taller. According to Charles F.
McDevitt, a structural engineer in the Federal Highway
Administration's Office of Safety Research and Development at the
Turner-Fairbank Highway Research Center in McLean, Va. the F-shape
is thought to be the best current concrete barrier design. It takes
its name from a set of tested barriers that were assigned letters
as identification. However, the F-shape was not widely adopted as
many jurisdictions were well-satisfied with the Jersey shape, which
also met the crash-test criteria. In addition, their contractors
did not want to change profiles because they had a considerable
investment in the forms required to produce Jersey barriers.
The UK equivalent is the concrete step barrier.
The older guard rail barrier system did not prevent traffic from
entering oncoming traffic. The first median barriers were used in
the mid-1940s on US-99 on the descent from the Tehachapi Mountains
in the central valley south of Bakersfield, California. New Jersey
first used concrete traffic barriers in 1955. The current shape was
first implemented in 1959 as a result not of crash testing, but of
police observation of the accident results of previously installed
concrete barriers.
#end quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_step_barrier
#begin quote
A concrete step barrier is a safety barrier used on the central
reservation of motorways and dual carriageways as an alternative to
the standard steel crash barrier.
Concrete step barrier cross-section
The barrier meets or exceeds European safety barrier standard
EN1317 and in testing has contained all vehicles up to 13.5
tonnes.[1]
...
With effect from January 2005 and based primarily on safety
grounds, the UK Highways Agency policy is that all new motorway
schemes are to use high-containment concrete barriers in the
central reserve. All existing motorways will introduce concrete
barriers into the central reserve as part of ongoing upgrades and
through replacement when these systems have reached the end of
their useful life. This change of policy applies only to barriers
in the central reserve of high-speed roads and not to verge-side
barriers. Other routes will continue to use steel barriers.[1]
Government policy ensures that all future crash barriers in the UK
will be made of concrete unless there are overriding
circumstances.[2]
...
The usage of the concrete step barrier has now become widespread in
Ireland. As of November 2008, 405 kilometres (252 mi) of new
motorway under construction at present will use the new barrier.
Existing motorways such as parts of the M8 and M6 already have the
crash barrier. Other motorways are now installing them as part of
upgrades (M50).
#end quote
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"I've looked at life from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all" -- JM
necromancer - ECHM
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:05:16 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
wrote:
>Conclusion: nothing will be done
Because nothing needs to be done, Earl. The article is crap pure and
simple. I expected better from you.
>Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
Straight out of, "Yellow Journalism 101."
> By Anne Harding � Tue�Jul�28, 1:35�pm�ET
>
>NEW YORK (Reuters Health) � Higher speed limits led to about 12,500 more
>deaths on US roads between 1995 and 2005, a new study in the American
>Journal of Public Health shows.
And would Ms. Harding care to share with us what the increase in
vehicle miles travelled was and what the fatality rate per 100 million
miles travelled was? Is there a reason these numbers were omitted?
Here's a look at the fatality rates per 100 million vehicle miles
travelled from 1994 to 2007:
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
For 2009, the rate is projected to be 1.12.
ref: http://www.wtop.com/?nid=30&sid=1709397
>Earlier studies had suggested that any effects of an act of Congress that
>eliminated all federal controls on speed limits would be temporary. The
>findings debunk those claims, Dr. Lee S. Friedman of the University of
>Illinois in Chicago, one of the study's authors, told Reuters Health.
>To date, Friedman and his team note in their report, most studies of the
>effects of speed limit changes on highway fatalities and injuries have
>looked at only a couple of years' worth of data, in only a few states. In
>their analysis, the researchers looked at traffic fatalities in every US
>state except Massachusetts and Hawaii over the decade after the change in
>Federal law.
>The National Maximum Speed Law, passed in 1974, put a 55 mph speed limit on
>all interstate roads. The law was intended to cut fuel consumption in the
>wake of the 1973 oil embargo, but it also led to a 16.4% reduction in car
>crash mortality from 1973 to 1974, Friedman and his colleagues note in their
>report.
Did Ms. Harding also note any changes in how highway deaths were
calculated after the law took effect to make the number of deaths
after the enactment of the 55 limit was forced on the populace look
lower?
Simple fact is that all the 55 limit did was to make other wise law
abiding citizens into criminals and to put more revenue into the
pockets of local juristictions and insurance companies through bogus
speeding tickets. Any reduction in fatalities was through creative
accounting and any fuel savings was negligible.
>In 1987, Congress passed the Surface Transportation and Uniform Relocation
>Assistance Act allowing states to lift the speed limit on rural interstates
>to 65 mph, which 41 states did. In 1995, Congress passed the National
>Highway Designation Act, which wiped out all federal speed limits.
>Overall, Friedman and his team found that increased speed limits led to a
>3.2% jump in road deaths. On rural interstates, car crash deaths increased
>9.1%, while the increase for urban interstates was 4%.
>
>The biggest increases in deaths due to increased speed limits were seen in
>states that had 55 mph speed limits before 1995 and raised them to 65
>afterwards.
>
>In states that kept the same speed limits, the number of deaths and injuries
>in fatal car crashes actually declined.
>
>Overall, Friedman and his colleagues estimate that the federal law change
>led to 12,545 more deaths on US highways, and 36,583 more injuries in fatal
>crashes.
Does Ms. Harding have any cites for these dubious, "facts?"
>Bringing back a federal speed limit could not only save lives, Friedman
>noted; it could also reduce carbon emissions and dependence on foreign oil.
>The Surface Transportation and Uniform Relocation Assistance Act is coming
>up for renewal this November, which could offer an opportunity to put a new
>federal speed limit in place, he said.
A federal speedlimit was unConstitutional then and it would be
unConstitutional now, except for roads on federal property. See the
10th Ammendment.
>More speed cameras could also help make roads safer, Friedman added. These
>are automated systems that take photos of speeders and their license plates,
>and then send the offender a ticket in the mail.
And just how much did Redflex Traffic Systems pay Ms. Harding to write
this article or does she own stock in a red light camera vendor?
>"You don't have the fun of having a police officer pull you over and take
>your license," Friedman said. Nevertheless, he added, "these systems are
>very effective for reducing and controlling systematic speeding."
Automated traffic enforcement is nothing more than a revenue scam. If
speeding is such a terrible thing, then put speeders in jail and take
the financial incentive out of traffic enforcement. IOW, make it a
crime subject to due process and not a, "civil infraction."
--
There are two types of Republicans:
Millionaires and Suckers.
necromancer - ECHM
wrote:
>The article says that US road deaths rose with speed limit increases.
And overlooked a number of other factors that contribute to the
increase in the overall number of accident fatalities.
>It is more complicated than that since road conditions are important.
>Death rates in Germany are lower than the US.
And doesn't Germany require a little more than a heartbeat and $20.00
inorder to receive a drivers license (which is basically all you need
to get a license in most states)? Like actually knowing how to drive?
>In France part of the decrease in death rates occurred through improvement
>of roads, the autoroutes have a much lower death rate than the nationals.
>The other factor was getting tougher on alcohol.
>
>Currently working against this is the increase in use of cell phones.
--
"I don't want kids."
--Levi Johnston - biological father of
Sarah Palin's bastard grandchild.
necromancer - ECHM
wrote:
>On 31/07/09 18:39, in article 4A731E4A...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
>'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> I would think that there is room there for jersey barriers.
>
>The expression is unknown to me:.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier
HTH.
Earl Evleth
"necromancer - ECHM" <55_sux@worldofnecromancer_NO-SPAM_NO-WAY.com> wrote:
>> The expression is unknown to me:.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier
It is known to me now but as a regional term used locally.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> Simple fact is that all the 55 limit did was to make other wise law
> abiding citizens into criminals and to put more revenue into the
> pockets of local juristictions and insurance companies through bogus
> speeding tickets. Any reduction in fatalities was through creative
> accounting and any fuel savings was negligible.
I'll be blunt with you...
55 is fucking slow. Oz is fairly cautious and rightly so considering
how shitty many of the roads are here and our speed limit is 110 (nearly
70) on the right kind of highway. Fuel savings, though, are significant
if you keep your highway speeds to around 80km/h. Mind you, I really
couldn't care less about fuel savings. If I cared about fuel economy, I
would have purchased a Japanese buzz box rather than a sizeable sedan.
John Rennie
"necromancer - ECHM" <55_sux@worldofnecromancer_NO-SPAM_NO-WAY.com> wrote in
message news:gjba75llcbqgn7ur5...@4ax.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/8178347.stm
Earl Evleth
1j3u3zn.vyxcvnatv7jjN%dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net, "Mr Q.
Z. Diablo" <dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
> I'll be blunt with you...
>
> 55 is fucking slow.
And which teaches people patience.
`
One can not help noticing that in crowded traffic there is
always somebody (a young male) in a hurry and is weaving
in and out to get a bit further head. The time saved
in doing this is problematical.
At 55 or 70 we will to were one is going. What is more
disturbing that speed is a crowded highway on which one
can not sit back and drive in ease and enjoy.
We are leaving in a couple of days for the south of
France. We will not be driving more than 3-4 hours per day.
On Wednesday we will be in Bourge-en-Bresse.
We will be eating Poulet de Bresse
http://www.letaillet.com/Photos/photos_jpg/poulet_4.jpg
at the Auberge Bressane
http://image-restaurant.linternaute.com/image/300/10025.jpg
across the street from the Catherale
http://www.regionurbainedelyon.fr/images/270-1-bourg-en-bresse-cathedrale-de
-brou-2.jpg
and not driving at 55 or 70,
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
It appears to be a North American term. It's certainly had time to
get to France since it was created some time in the 50s.
--
I heard Clinton buried a time capsule at his new presidental
Earl Evleth
> It appears to be a North American term. It's certainly had time to
> get to France since it was created some time in the 50s.
concrete separations are used but normally in the near urban
driving areas. None of them has a stupid name to them,
however.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
They were invented in New Jersey, so they are called Jersey
barriers. How is that a stupid name?
--
I heard Clinton buried a time capsule at his new presidential
AZ Nomad
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>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/8178347.stm
What the fuck is the matter with you? Do you think people like scrolling
through page after page wondering if you are going to add anything?
John Rennie
"AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrnh7bfip.s...@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
I did (in the end). If I were you I'd use my killfile. We can do without
each other.
Earl Evleth
> They were invented in New Jersey, so they are called Jersey
> barriers. How is that a stupid name?
The state has a problem, in NY the call it "New Jousie"
It is played up a bit in the Soprano series.
Donna Evleth
> From: "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:19:06 -0100
> Subject: Re: Higher U.S. speed limit linked to 12,500 more deaths
>
>
>
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>>
>> On 2/08/09 17:01, in article 4A75AA62...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
>> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It appears to be a North American term. It's certainly had time to
>>> get to France since it was created some time in the 50s.
>>
>> concrete separations are used but normally in the near urban
>> driving areas. None of them has a stupid name to them,
>> however.
>>
> They were invented in New Jersey, so they are called Jersey
> barriers. How is that a stupid name?
Because they could have been invented on the Isle of Jersey. In the
Anglo-Norman Islands off the coast of France. Or maybe they were made out
of the cloth called "jersey". Or maybe they were a line of cows.
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Yes, for all we know, they might've been invented by particularly
astute Jersey cattle: "Keep them longhorns outta here!" So, of
course, knowing that they are Jersey barriers doesn't tell us why
they are called that. But after finding out that they were invented
in New Jersey, a little light bulb should go on, "Oh, that's why
they are Jersey barriers."