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Richard J

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Dec 10, 2002, 8:53:22 PM12/10/02
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From the office of the Attorney General of Texas:

AUSTIN - Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott offers the following
information on James Paul Collier, who is scheduled to be executed after
6 p.m. on Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002.

On April 24, 1996, James Paul Collier was sentenced to death for the
capital murder of Gwendolyn Joy Reed and her adult son, Timmy Reed,
during the same criminal transaction in Wichita Falls, Texas, on March
14, 1995. A summary of the evidence presented at trial follows.

FACTS OF THE CRIME

On the evening of March 14, 1995, James Paul Collier entered a home in
Wichita Falls, Texas, where Collier's daughter was spending her spring
break vacation, and shot and killed Gwendolyn Joy Reed and her adult
son, Timmy Reed. Neither of the two victims were related to Collier or
involved in a dispute with him, but Collier's daughter was visiting her
former stepfather, who lived in the house with Timmy Reed. After the
murders, Collier drove to New Mexico where he was apprehended. He gave a
videotaped confession, during which he admitted shooting the victims. In
his confession, Collier stated that he initially went into the home with
his rifle because he was angry at his ex-wife and daughter because they
refused to have contact with him and because he believed his daughter
had been sexually abused by her former stepfather. There was no evidence
that the former stepfather abused Collier's daughter.

PROCEDURAL HISTORY

03/14/95 - James Paul Collier murdered Gwendolyn Joy Reed and Timmy Reed.

04/19/96 - A jury found Collier guilty of capital murder.

04/24/96 - Following a separate punishment hearing, the trial court
sentenced Collier to death.

01/10/97 - Collier filed a direct appeal brief raising four points of error.

06/19/97 - While his direct appeal was pending, Collier filed a state
writ of habeas corpus petition raising 24 grounds for relief.

12/12/97 - On direct appeal, the Court of Criminal Appeals rejected
Collier's four points of error, and affirmed his conviction and sentence.

01/14/98 - On state habeas, the Court of Criminal Appeals denied relief
on all 24 of Collier's claims based on the Court's own review and on the
state trial court's findings and conclusions.

02/11/98 - The Court of Criminal Appeals denied Collier's petition for
rehearing on direct appeal.

02/27/98 - The Court of Criminal Appeals issued the mandate.

10/13/98 - The United States Supreme Court denied certiorari review off
direct appeal.

10/01/99 - Collier filed a federal writ of habeas corpus petition
raising five claims.

12/13/99 - The State (through Gary Johnson, former Director of the Texas
Department of Criminal Justice's Institutional Division) filed an answer
and moved for summary judgment.

05/09/01 - The United States District Court for the Western District of
Texas, Wichita Falls Division, issued a memorandum opinion and order
denying habeas relief.

05/22/01 - The district court entered final judgment.

06/21/01 - Collier filed notice of appeal and an application for
certificate of appealability ("COA") raising eight claims.

07/09/01 - The district court denied COA.

09/13/01 - Collier filed an application for COA in the United States
Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit raising eight claims.

11/19/01 - The State (through current TDCJ-ID Director Janie Cockrell)
filed its opposition to COA.

07/25/02 - The Fifth Circuit denied a COA in a published opinion.

08/19/02 - The trial court held a hearing wherein Collier stated that he
was not waiving his appeals; court set the execution date for Dec. 11, 2002.

10/23/02 - Collier petitioned the United States Supreme Court for
certiorari review.

12/03/02 - The State (through TDCJ-ID Director Janie Cockrell) filed a
brief in opposition.

12/09/02 - Collier filed a supplemental stay application and a
supplemental certiorari petition.

** Collier's petition for certiorari review is still pending with the
United States Supreme Court.

PRIOR CRIMINAL HISTORY

Evidence was introduced during the punishment phase that Collier had
been convicted of two counts of selling narcotics (September and October
1970), robbery (July 1971), and assault (March 1987). The victim of
Collier's 1970 robbery testified that Collier sneaked up from behind him
and hit him in the head with an industrial-size broom, almost knocking
him unconscious. Collier then threatened to rape him, and to kill him
with a shotgun. The victim of Collier's 1987 assault testified that he
previously worked at a Sonic fast food restaurant, and that Collier
erupted when he did not find salt in the sack with his hamburger.
Collier pulled the 15 year old's shirt over his head so he could not
swing back, and then stomped the teenager in the face several times.
Evidence was also introduced regarding an unadjudicated assault in
December 1994, wherein Collier struck an individual on the head with a
beer bottle and cut his face, inflicting injuries which required
receiving approximately 380 stitches. In addition, in January 1995,
Collier was arrested for DWI and during an inventory of the vehicle, the
officer discovered an illegal sawed-off 12-gauge shotgun.

The State also presented testimony regarding Collier's physical assault
of one jailer and his threats toward other jailers while he was locked
up in the Wichita County Jail awaiting his capital murder trial.

Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Richard Coons testified that he reviewed the
three-and-a-half hour video-taped statement made by Collier the day
after the crime, and that he did not find any evidence that Collier's
judgment and insight were impaired by mental illness or that Collier was
insane at the time of the offense. Dr. Coons also stated that, based on
a hypothetical case matching all the evidence admitted at both stages of
trial, Collier would pose a continuing danger to society.

drdoody

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Dec 11, 2002, 11:18:49 AM12/11/02
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"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

> The victim of Collier's 1987 assault testified that he
> previously worked at a Sonic fast food restaurant, and that Collier
> erupted when he did not find salt in the sack with his hamburger.
> Collier pulled the 15 year old's shirt over his head so he could not
> swing back, and then stomped the teenager in the face several times.

You really have no idea how many times I've wanted to do that when my burger
was wrong.

Of course, *wanting* to do it and *actually* doing it are two different
things.

Doc: Subverting the entire human race, one sheep at a time.


Richard J

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Dec 11, 2002, 12:44:40 PM12/11/02
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Knowing McDonald's there, I tend to agree with you.

Mr Q. Z. Diablo

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Dec 11, 2002, 5:16:46 PM12/11/02
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In article <MzJJ9.763$Zo....@dfw-read.news.verio.net>, "drdoody"
<drd...@dumpthisnetdot.com> wrote:

Quite so. I just thought you'd like this excerpt of an article by
Teller about Jeff Dahmer:

"One day when he was driving home, Dahmer gave a lift to a hitchhiker.
I've done that. He saw beauty and wanted it in his power, utterly, as
only a well-placed blow to the head can deliver. OK, I confess, I've
wanted that as well -- but I chose not to pick up a sawed-off baseball
bat and make my wish come true. That's why I can drive to the beach
whenever I feel like it, while Dahmer has to live in a prison and talk
to Stone Phillips."

Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))

St.George

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Dec 12, 2002, 12:56:41 PM12/12/02
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"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have come close to murder on several occasions regarding McDonald's...but
only in Great Britain, for some reason.

It is simple enough. I want my Quarterpounder with cheese plain. That's
plain. No relish, no lettuce, no sauce and NO FUCKING GHERKIN; just the
burger, the bun and the cheese.

But will they understand it? Not a chance. It is ASTONISHING just how
dense these bastards are, and how often they will give me a burger with all
the standard shit on it. And then, if I have already driven away and, let's
say, have eaten my fries first and already got five miles down the road, I
will raise my face to the heavens and scream the most vile string of
obscenity-laden curses that any man can conceive.

Incidentally, during the periods that I lived in California, and despite the
fact that every single staff member was always Hispanic, and usually had
extremely limited command of the English language, every McDonald's order I
EVER made there came back perfect.

Well, perfect in the sense that it was precisely as ordered. It was still
the identical carcinogenic, tasteless, coronary-inducing lard-fest, but that
is a different matter...

[And the Chicken McNuggets were far nicer in the U.S. This is because U.S.
McNuggets are approximately 60% leg meat (which I love) and about 40% breast
meat (which I find unappealing.) However, UK McNuggets have, for the last
decade or more, been 100% breast meat. Even back in the '80s, they were
never more than about 30% Good McNuggets, making a Good-winning box of nine
(five or more leg-meat McNuggets) a rare event. I used to love those
fuckers...I would identify the Good ones (leg meat) by touch and texture, or
failing that by a tiny bite, and save them till the end, when I would savour
them. Living in the U.S., therefore was like being a kid in a toy shop,
with Good McNuggets winning the box on a regular basis, including one
breathtaking, glorious, unbelievable, probability-defying 9-0 shutout
victory!

But why, I hear you ask, do I comment so knowledgeably on the accuracy of
U.S. quarterpounder orders, since I so clearly had the McNuggets every time?
Well, the answer is because like every good fat bastard, I had them both!
And a portion of fries, and a large strawberry milkshake, AND a fucking
apple pie too, most likely.]


Richard J

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Dec 12, 2002, 2:09:29 PM12/12/02
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The food is basically the same, but the help you appear to have trouble
with is English. Perhaps that's the problem.


>
> [And the Chicken McNuggets were far nicer in the U.S. This is because U.S.
> McNuggets are approximately 60% leg meat (which I love) and about 40% breast
> meat (which I find unappealing.) However, UK McNuggets have, for the last
> decade or more, been 100% breast meat. Even back in the '80s, they were
> never more than about 30% Good McNuggets, making a Good-winning box of nine
> (five or more leg-meat McNuggets) a rare event. I used to love those
> fuckers...I would identify the Good ones (leg meat) by touch and texture, or
> failing that by a tiny bite, and save them till the end, when I would savour
> them. Living in the U.S., therefore was like being a kid in a toy shop,
> with Good McNuggets winning the box on a regular basis, including one
> breathtaking, glorious, unbelievable, probability-defying 9-0 shutout
> victory!
>
> But why, I hear you ask, do I comment so knowledgeably on the accuracy of
> U.S. quarterpounder orders, since I so clearly had the McNuggets every time?
> Well, the answer is because like every good fat bastard, I had them both!
> And a portion of fries, and a large strawberry milkshake, AND a fucking
> apple pie too, most likely.]
>
>

I'm not much on the various chicken 'nugget' regardless ow who serves
them. Give me nice greasy fried chicken with the skin on and bone in,
please!

I DO like the quarter pounder, however I enjoy them with the catsup and
onions. Over here, McDonalds started serving what they call the 'Big
and Tasty' which is essentially a quarter pound hamburger with lettuce,
onion, and pickles served with mayo , mustard, and catsup or any
combination thereof. The price is only $1.oo US which makes them quite
a cheap meal.

Teflon.


JIGSAW1695

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Subject: Re: Another Murderer Going Down
From: "St.George" ama.99@bt#internet.com00
Date: 12/12/2002 12:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <ataikp$gd3$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>

==============================

George? Is that you George?

If it is the real St. George and not some Quasi-St. George, welcome back.


Jigsaw

dirtdog

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Dec 12, 2002, 5:51:44 PM12/12/02
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:09:29 -0600, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

<snip>

>I DO like the quarter pounder, however I enjoy them with the catsup and
>onions. Over here, McDonalds started serving what they call the 'Big
>and Tasty' which is essentially a quarter pound hamburger with lettuce,
>onion, and pickles served with mayo , mustard, and catsup or any
>combination thereof. The price is only $1.oo US which makes them quite
>a cheap meal.

That, Teflon, was a staggeringly uninteresting paragraph.

w00f

dirtdog

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Dec 12, 2002, 5:51:45 PM12/12/02
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:56:41 +0000 (UTC), "St.George"
<ama.99@btŁŁinternet.com00> wrote:

<snip McDonald's anecdote made remarkable by the fact that SG
expresses therein a prefence for chicken leg over chicken breast,
which actually causes me to doubt his purported Southern roots and
conclude that he may well be from Barnsley, eat tripe and race fucking
whippets>

Only last week I entered the McDonald's at Leicester's Clock Tower. I
asked for a McChicken Sandwich with cheese.

"You can't have cheese on that" I was told.

"Pardon?"

"You can't have cheese"

"Why?"

"Erm. Dunno"

"Are you taking the piss?"

"We're not allowed to do that with cheese"

I thought it may be penny pinching at work.

"I'll pay for the cheese"

"Erm, (blank look) we can't do that"

So I went to Burger King and enjoyed the far superior Chicken Whopper
instead. I was allowed cheese on that. I shall never frequent a
McDonald's again.

Anyway, does anyone know why McDonalds branches in Leicester (I am
told by my bird that she too was refused cheese on a McChicken
Sandwich at the Braunstone Meridian franchise) do not alow 'extras'?
Perhaps research has shown that the chemicals present in the synthetic
chicken breast react badly with the chemicals in the synthetic
processed cheese and may cause explosions? Who knows? Who cares?

w00f

Mr Q. Z. Diablo

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Dec 12, 2002, 6:11:17 PM12/12/02
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In article <1c0ivukm6namq488s...@4ax.com>, dirtdog
<dirtdogDONKOOLRI...@fruffrant.com> wrote:

[snip further McDonalds anecdote]

> So I went to Burger King and enjoyed the far superior Chicken Whopper
> instead. I was allowed cheese on that. I shall never frequent a
> McDonald's again.

At the prices that the English pay for their fast food, I must confess
to being completely unsurprised. £4-odd (or maybe more - I can't
remember) for a fucking Big Mac, chips and a drink??? I regard the
stuff as being expensive and inedible _here_ (AU$6, i.e. £2 for the same
thing). You've got pubs in Leicester, haven't you? A half-decent pub
meal can be had for £5 and you can sit down in a nice place and have a
pint with it, too.

Some people just don't know how fucking lucky they are.

> Anyway, does anyone know why McDonalds branches in Leicester (I am
> told by my bird that she too was refused cheese on a McChicken
> Sandwich at the Braunstone Meridian franchise) do not alow 'extras'?
> Perhaps research has shown that the chemicals present in the synthetic
> chicken breast react badly with the chemicals in the synthetic
> processed cheese and may cause explosions? Who knows? Who cares?

I must confess to having something of a soft spot for Burger King.
Every two months or so I am overcome by an overwhelming urge to traverse
the town to a suburb far, far less prestigious than my own in order to
negotiate the vending of some greasy comestibles. A Whopper meal
(upsized, in accordance with American tradition) later, I feel
thoroughly disgusted with myself. A guilty pleasure but a _fantastic_
guilty pleasure. Kind of like lard-covered protein in a sticky bun.

And you can fill your car up while you're there - the franchise is
integrated with a 7-11 and a service station. Yup, nothing but the most
concentrated havens of Western capitalism in my home town...or the
grottier bits of it in any case.

Mr Q. Z. Diablo

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Dec 12, 2002, 6:12:22 PM12/12/02
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In article <ia0ivuoq7vjc8lll7...@4ax.com>, dirtdog
<dirtdogDONKOOLRI...@fruffrant.com> wrote:

I thought it was quite interesting, actually. Food is always
interesting. He actually made a McDonalds hamburger sound edible.
Tasty, even. Perhaps a job writing copyright for fast food chains
beckons...

Richard J

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Dec 12, 2002, 6:43:22 PM12/12/02
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Just chit chat.

Teflon

dirtdog

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Dec 12, 2002, 9:12:18 PM12/12/02
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:11:17 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:

<snipped>

> A half-decent pub
>meal can be had for Ł5 and you can sit down in a nice place and have a
>pint with it, too.

Don't you fucking patronise me, sunshine. If I wanted a fucking pub
meal, I'd have eaten a fucking pub meal.

Time and bastard place.

w00f

Cerberus

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"St.George" <ama.99@bt#internet.com00> wrote in message
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>
> "Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3DF77988...@hotmail.com...
> > drdoody wrote:
> > > "Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3DF69A92...@hotmail.com...
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> {more Snippage}

> But why, I hear you ask, do I comment so knowledgeably on the accuracy of
> U.S. quarterpounder orders, since I so clearly had the McNuggets every
time?
> Well, the answer is because like every good fat bastard, I had them both!
> And a portion of fries, and a large strawberry milkshake, AND a fucking
> apple pie too, most likely.]

As John Cleese so eloquently said in the restaurant scene from
'The meaning of Life'

"A bucket for monsieur"

The gerkhin is the best part btw.

WooF w00f WooF

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"St.George" <ama.99@bt££internet.com00> wrote in message news:ataikp$gd3$1...@sparta.btinternet.com...
>
> "Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3DF77988...@hotmail.com...
> > drdoody wrote:
> > > "Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3DF69A92...@hotmail.com...
> > >
> > > <snip>
<snip a bunch>

> But why, I hear you ask, do I comment so knowledgeably on the accuracy of
> U.S. quarterpounder orders, since I so clearly had the McNuggets every time?
> Well, the answer is because like every good fat bastard, I had them both!
> And a portion of fries, and a large strawberry milkshake, AND a fucking
> apple pie too, most likely.]
>

Welcome back, Mark!!

PV

james....@usa.com

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Dec 13, 2002, 9:57:59 AM12/13/02
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Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3DF69A92...@hotmail.com>...


Hey Richard J AKA Teflon. How you doin'? I really had a big laugh over
the messages you'all posted about my McDonalds story. I laughed so
much that I decided to include the story on my web page, I hope
you'all don't mind.

You know, I don't mean to upset you guys, especially now that I've
left this world. I have shed my anger and am finally at peace.

Peace,

James Collier
http://cf.geocities.com/collier_james/

dirtdog

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Dec 13, 2002, 3:13:59 PM12/13/02
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:27:44 +0800, "Cerberus"
<Cerb...@riverstyx.net> wrote:

<about PV's wife's genitalia>
>
>"A bucket for monsieur"

...is the correct common name for PV's wife's twat.

>The gerkhin is the best part btw.

No, 'Cerberus', that was just a coldsore...

w00f

St.George

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<snip>


> George? Is that you George?
>
> If it is the real St. George and not some Quasi-St. George, welcome back.


Yes it's me, Jiggy.

While I can be relied upon to occasionally pop up with a almost-comedically
off-topic troll/plea for attention, please do not allow yourself to revel in
the perception that I have 'returned', in any real sense, to enliven your
miserable existence with my witty, urbane, perceptive, cogent, topical
remarks, not to mention my impeccable use of grammar and syntax.

This is because I am bored to fucking tears with the bloody death penalty.
Who gives a toss anyway? The whole issue can be summed up as follows:

1) Some of them didn't actually do it
2) However, all of them are scumbags who have done plenty they _didn't_ get
caught for.
3) None of them are therefore any use to anyone alive.
4) However, killing them just makes you look like cunts yourselves.

End.

Because I am sure 2) is invariably true, I am confident that there is indeed
no such thing as an 'innocent', in the broader sense of the word, being
executed, so I'm really not that bothered about what the U.S. does with its
unusually large proportion of human detritus.

However, in accordance with 4), the fact that they're all scum is no excuse
to kill them, because Hey, guess what? Killing is Wrong!

It really is as simple as that; the issue is also unimportant in the broad
scheme of things, and due to the limits of the relevant arguments the debate
is farcically well-worn and hoary.

I really have got better things to do, like wanking my cock.


St.George

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Dec 14, 2002, 7:02:53 PM12/14/02
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote in message
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> "St.George" <ama.99@btŁŁinternet.com00> wrote in message


I'm not really 'back', PV - see reply to Jiggy.

However, thank you for your kind sentiments, you sanctimonious old bastard.


JIGSAW1695

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Subject: Re: Another Murderer Going Down
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Date: 12/14/2002 7:01 PM Eastern Standard Time
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<snip>

End.


===============================

Well, welcome back despite the fact that you are nothing but a Brit arsehole.

David McDonald

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On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:01:05 +0000 (UTC), "St.George"
<ama.99@btŁŁinternet.com00> wrote:
>
>"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20021212142547...@mb-ml.aol.com...
>
>
><snip>
>
>
>> George? Is that you George?
>>
>> If it is the real St. George and not some Quasi-St. George, welcome back.
>
>
>Yes it's me, Jiggy.
>
>While I can be relied upon to occasionally pop up with a almost-comedically
>off-topic troll/plea for attention, please do not allow yourself to revel in
>the perception that I have 'returned', in any real sense, to enliven your
>miserable existence with my witty, urbane, perceptive, cogent, topical
>remarks, not to mention my impeccable use of grammar and syntax.

Mark, why would anyone think that?

David

Rev. Don Kool

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St.George wrote:
> "Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>>drdoody wrote:
>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...


[...snip...]

>>Knowing McDonald's there, I tend to agree with you.

> I have come close to murder on several occasions regarding McDonald's...but
> only in Great Britain, for some reason.
>
> It is simple enough. I want my Quarterpounder with cheese plain. That's
> plain. No relish,

The QuarterPounder doesn't come with "relish", kid.

> no lettuce,

Or lettuce.

> no sauce and NO FUCKING GHERKIN;

Apparently you've confused the QuarterPounder with the Big Mac. A
common mistake for foreign murderer lovers. :-(

> just the burger, the bun and the cheese.
>
> But will they understand it? Not a chance. It is ASTONISHING just how
> dense these bastards are, and how often they will give me a burger with all
> the standard shit on it.

Perhaps you should have young family-less Desi explain his fellow
eurotrash burger flippers' "superior education". LOL!!!

> And then, if I have already driven away and, let's
> say, have eaten my fries first and already got five miles down the road, I
> will raise my face to the heavens and scream the most vile string of
> obscenity-laden curses that any man can conceive.

Apparently a common sense, proactive solution such as checking your
order before you drive away is as foreign to you as a common sense,
proactive solution such as the just Death Penalty. Little wonder that
europe remains a cesspool of "ethnic cleansing" and poor hygiene. :-(

> Incidentally, during the periods that I lived in California, and despite the
> fact that every single staff member was always Hispanic, and usually had
> extremely limited command of the English language, every McDonald's order I
> EVER made there came back perfect.

One of the many differences between America and england, my naive young
friend. Sadly poor service and bad food is 'der rigeur [sic]' in merry
old england. :-(

[...off topic rant concerning US favoring
of healthy white meat chicken over greasy
dark meat snipped...]

Yours in Christ,
Don

--
*************************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald, SCSA * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
*************************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"

Rev. Don Kool

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Dec 18, 2002, 12:57:27 AM12/18/02
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St.George wrote:
> "JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com> wrote...

[...snip...]


> This is because I am bored to fucking tears with the bloody death penalty.
> Who gives a toss anyway? The whole issue can be summed up as follows:

1) There has not been even a single case of an "innocent" man being
mistakenly executed in the United States (the greatest country on the
face of the Earth, BTW) since the just Death Penalty was reinstated in
the late 1970s.

Happy to have cleared things up for you,

Rev. Don Kool

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Herbie wrote:
> dirtdog wrote:

[...snip Herbie's envy of all things American...]

Face it Herbie, you envy American Justice as well, kid.

Yours in Christ,

Incubus

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"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Herbie wrote:
> > dirtdog wrote:
>
> [...snip Herbie's envy of all things American...]
>
> Face it Herbie, you envy American Justice as well, kid.


I doubt he does

Incubus

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"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> St.George wrote:
> > "Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> >>drdoody wrote:
> >>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>
>
> [...snip...]
>
> >>Knowing McDonald's there, I tend to agree with you.
>
> > I have come close to murder on several occasions regarding
McDonald's...but
> > only in Great Britain, for some reason.
> >
> > It is simple enough. I want my Quarterpounder with cheese plain.
That's
> > plain. No relish,
>
> The QuarterPounder doesn't come with "relish", kid.
it bloody should. I love relish

>
> > no lettuce,
>
> Or lettuce.
>
> > no sauce and NO FUCKING GHERKIN;
>
> Apparently you've confused the QuarterPounder with the Big Mac. A
> common mistake for foreign murderer lovers. :-(

I imagine he likes the burger. Its like apple pie. It's a British invention
<smip rest of Don's racist bullshit>


JIGSAW1695

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Subject: Re: Another Murderer Going Down
From: "Incubus" inc...@river.styx
Date: 12/30/2002 9:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <3G7Q9.465$k16.64787@newsfep2-gui>

===============================

Right on Brother!! Keep on "smip"(ing).

Mr Q. Z. Diablo

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In article <dC7Q9.464$k16.64594@newsfep2-gui>, "Incubus"
<inc...@river.styx> wrote:

[snip little Donnie's gibberings]

> I doubt he does

[envy America's "justice"]

You are, of course, entirely correct.

Rev. Don Kool

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Incubus wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> pointed out...
>>Herbie wrote:
>>>dirtdog wrote:

>>[...snip Herbie's envy of all things American...]
>>
>>Face it Herbie, you envy American Justice as well, kid.
>
>
>
> I doubt he does

If he has any smarts he does so you are probably correct.

Hope this helps,
Don

--
*************************** You a bounty hunter?

* Rev. Don McDonald, SCNA * Man's gotta earn a living.

Rev. Don Kool

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Incubus wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...


>>St.George wrote:
>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>>>>drdoody wrote:
>>>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>>>>
>>
>>[...snip...]
>>
>>
>>>>Knowing McDonald's there, I tend to agree with you.
>>>
>>>I have come close to murder on several occasions regarding
>>
> McDonald's...but
>
>>>only in Great Britain, for some reason.
>>>
>>>It is simple enough. I want my Quarterpounder with cheese plain.
>>
> That's
>
>>>plain. No relish,
>>
>>The QuarterPounder doesn't come with "relish", kid.
>
> it bloody should. I love relish
>
>>>no lettuce,
>>
>>Or lettuce.
>>
>>
>>>no sauce and NO FUCKING GHERKIN;
>>
>>Apparently you've confused the QuarterPounder with the Big Mac. A
>>common mistake for foreign murderer lovers. :-(
>
>
> I imagine he likes the burger. Its like apple pie. It's a British invention

Actually it's all American my confused young friend.

Happy to have cleared things up for you,

Don

--
*************************** You a bounty hunter?

* Rev. Don McDonald, SCNA * Man's gotta earn a living.

Incubus

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"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Incubus wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...
> >>St.George wrote:
> >>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> >>>>drdoody wrote:
> >>>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> >>>>
> >>
> >>[...snip...]
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Knowing McDonald's there, I tend to agree with you.
> >>>
> >>>I have come close to murder on several occasions regarding
> >>
> > McDonald's...but
> >
> >>>only in Great Britain, for some reason.
> >>>
> >>>It is simple enough. I want my Quarterpounder with cheese plain.
> >>
> > That's
> >
> >>>plain. No relish,
> >>
> >>The QuarterPounder doesn't come with "relish", kid.
> >
> > it bloody should. I love relish
> >
> >>>no lettuce,
> >>
> >>Or lettuce.
> >>
> >>
> >>>no sauce and NO FUCKING GHERKIN;
> >>
> >>Apparently you've confused the QuarterPounder with the Big Mac. A
> >>common mistake for foreign murderer lovers. :-(
> >
> >
> > I imagine he likes the burger. Its like apple pie. It's a British
invention
>
> Actually it's all American my confused young friend.

I thought that would wind your springs Don. Well you can actually take
credit for condensed milk


Rev. Don Kool

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Jan 2, 2003, 6:19:05 PM1/2/03
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Incubus wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...
>>Incubus wrote:
>>>"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...
>>>>St.George wrote:
>>>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>>>>>>drdoody wrote:
>>>>>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...

[...snip...]

>>>I imagine he likes the burger. Its like apple pie. It's a British


>>
> invention
>
>>Actually it's all American my confused young friend.
>
>
> I thought that would wind your springs Don. Well you can actually take
> credit for condensed milk

Actually the credit for almost everything good in the world is
America's, my young foreign friend.

Hope this helps,

Incubus

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"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Incubus wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...
> >>Incubus wrote:
> >>>"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...
> >>>>St.George wrote:
> >>>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> >>>>>>drdoody wrote:
> >>>>>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>
> [...snip...]
>
> >>>I imagine he likes the burger. Its like apple pie. It's a British
> >>
> > invention
> >
> >>Actually it's all American my confused young friend.
> >
> >
> > I thought that would wind your springs Don. Well you can actually take
> > credit for condensed milk
>
> Actually the credit for almost everything good in the world is
> America's, my young foreign friend.

And I thought they were joking when they said the Americans were under the
misconception that they invented everything


John Crawford

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"Rev. Don Kool" wrote:

Almost everything good Donny Boy. Lets run a couple of goodies by you.

The "G" Suit invented by Wibur Rounding Franks, 1941, A CANADIAN.
BasketBall , James Naismith, 1891 another canadian
Now here's one for you donny, The Light bulb (electric) Invented by Henry Woodward another Canadian
in 1874 . He sold the patent to Thomas Edison.
Electric Street car, John Joseph Wright in 1883 (Drum Roll, wait for donny) another Canadian.
Lawn Sprinkler- The work of Elijah McCoy, (also know as the real McCoy) Yep,, another Canadian.
The snowblower- invented by Arthur Sicard in 1925, another Canadian.
I could throw in a couple thousand more but I think this is all you can absorb for now.
PS.. Why did James Naismith invent basketball, give you guys something to doand keep you out
of our hair.
GLad to calear this up

--
John Crawford

u1f...@shaw.ca


Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks,
it was called witchcraft, Today it's called golf.


Rev. Don Kool

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Jan 3, 2003, 12:48:33 AM1/3/03
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Johnny Crawford wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
>>Incubus wrote:
>>>"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...
>>>>Incubus wrote:
>>>>>"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...
>>>>>>St.George wrote:
>>>>>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>>>>>>>>drdoody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...


[...snip...]

>> Actually the credit for almost everything good in the world is


>>America's, my young foreign friend.

[...snip...]

> Almost everything good Donny Boy. Lets run a couple of goodies by you.

> The "G" Suit invented by Wibur Rounding Franks, 1941, A CANADIAN.

<yawn>

> BasketBall , James Naismith, 1891 another canadian

Two errors, Johnny. One you are wrong and two I said "everything good".

> Now here's one for you donny, The Light bulb (electric) Invented by

Thomas Edison.

[...Sad Canuk celebration of meaningless trivialities snipped...]

The digital computer ======> America
The freedom of speech =====> America
The atom bomb =============> America
The hydrogen bomb =========> America
The right to bear arms ====> America
The refrigerator ==========> America
The vacuum tube ===========> America
The smart bomb ============> America
The stealth airplane ======> America
The Nylon =================> America
The car ===================> America
The freedom of the press ==> America
The airplane ==============> America
The phonograph ============> America
The aircraft carrier ======> America
The linoleum ==============> America
The rayon =================> America
The movies ================> America
The winning of world wars => America
The air conditioner =======> America
The LED ===================> America
The digital calculator ====> America
The polyester =============> America
The photograph ============> America
The transistor ============> America
The IC ====================> America
The LSI ===================> America
The freedom of religion ===> America
Everything else worthwhile > America


Happy to have cleared things up for you,

John Crawford

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"Rev. Don Kool" wrote:

Sorry sport the vacumm tube was invented byEdward Samules Rogers in 1925,, another Canadian

John Crawford

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John Crawford wrote:

Before you get to carried away I would sugest you have a look here
http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/things/

John Crawford

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Just so you don't get confused on who did what I thought i would throw this in.
I haven't check with the "Smelly Europeans' as you put it as what they invented
for your benefit but I will.
PS. Without the uranium that was supplied by Canada and the Canadian physicists
who knew how to handled it, your A bomb would have been a bust

Made In Canada - Canadian Inventors and Inventions
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Mary Bellis
The history of invention in Canada has followed a long and noble path. Canadian inventors have patented more than one million
inventions, yet few people can name more than one or two Canadian inventors.

"Our innovators have given novelty, variety, and colour to our lives with their great practical gifts, and the world would be an
exceedingly boring and grey place without their vitality." - author Roy Mayer
Canadian Inventions
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Only a small percentage of the great inventions invented by Canadian inventors are listed below.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

5 Pin Bowling ...a truly Canadian sport invented by T.E. Ryan of Toronto in 1909

Able Walker ...the walker was patented by Norm Rolston in 1986

Air-Conditioned Railway Coach ...invented by Henry Ruttan in 1858

Abdominizer ...the infomercial exercise darling invented by Dennis Colonello in 1984

AC Radio Tube ..invented by Edward Samuels Rogers in 1925

Acetylene ...Thomas L. Wilson invented the production process in 1892

Acetylene Buoy ...invented by Thomas L. Wilson in 1904

Agrifoam Crop Cold Protector ...co-invented in 1967 by D. Siminovitch & J. W. Butler

Analytical Plotter ...a 3d map making system invented by Uno Vilho Helava in 1957

Andromonon ...a 3 wheeled vehicle invented in 1851 by Thomas Turnbull

Anti-Gravity Suit ...invented by Wilbur Rounding Franks in 1941, a suit for high altitude jet pilots

Automatic Foghorn ...the first steam foghorn was invented by Robert Foulis in 1859

Automatic Machinery Lubricator ...one of the many inventions invented by Elijah McCoy, the "Real McCoy"

Automatic Postal Sorter ...in 1957, Maurice Levy invented a postal sorter that could handle 200,000 letters an hour

Basketball ...invented by James Naismith in 1891

Bone Marrow Compatibility Test ...invented by Barbara Bain in 1960

Bromine ...a process to extract was invented by Herbert Henry Dow in 1890

Calcium Carbide ...in 1892, Thomas Leopold Willson invented a process for Calcium Carbide

Canada Dry Ginger Ale ...invented in 1907 by John A. McLaughlin

Chocolate Nut Bar ...Arthur Ganong made the first nickel bar in 1910

Computerized Braille ...invented by Roland Galarneau in 1972

Creed Telegraph System ..in 1900, Fredrick Creed invented a way to convert Morse Code to text

Compound Steam Engine ...invented by Benjamin Franklin Tibbetts in 1842

Electric Car Heater ...Thomas Ahearn invented the first electric car heater in 1890

Electric Cooking Range ...Thomas Ahearn invented the first in 1882

Electric Light Bulb ...Henry Woodward invented the electric light bulb in 1874 and sold the patent to Thomas Edison

Electron Microscope ...Eli Franklin Burton, Cecil Hall, James Hillier, Albert Prebus co-invented the electron microscope in 1937

Electric Organ ...Morse Robb of Belleville, Ontario, patented the world's first electric organ in 1928

Electric Streetcar - Invented by John Joseph Wright in 1883

Fathometer ...An early form of sonar invented by Reginald A. Fessenden in 1919

Film Colourization ...invented by Wilson Markle in 1983

Garbage Bag ...(polyethylene) invented by Harry Wasylyk in 1950

Goalie Mask ...invented by Jaques Plante in 1960

Gramophone ...co-invented by Alexander Graham Bell & Emile Berliner in 1889

Green Ink ...currency or greenbacks ink invented by Thomas Sterry Hunt in 1862

Half-tone Engraving ...co-invented by Georges Edouard Desbarats & William Augustus Leggo in 1869

Heart Pacemaker ...invented by Dr. John A. Hopps in 1950

Hydrofoil Boats ...co-invented by Alexander Graham Bell, & Casey Baldwin in 1908

IMax Movie System ...co-invented in 1968 by Grahame Ferguson, Roman Kroitor and Robert Kerr

Instant Mashed Potatoes ...dehydrated potato flakes were invented by Edward A. Asselbergs, in 1962

Insulin Process ...Fredrick Banting, J. J. Macleod, Charles Best and Collip invented the process for insulin in 1922

JAVA ...a programming language invented by James Gosling in 1994

Jetliner ...the first jetliner was designed by James Floyd in 1949

Jolly Jumper ...a baby's delight invented by Olivia Poole in 1959

Kerosene ...invented by Doctor Abraham Gesner in 1846

Lawn Sprinkler ...another invention made by the Real McCoy

Light Bulb Leads ..leads made of nickel & iron alloy were invented by Reginald A. Fessenden in 1892

Marquis Wheat ...invented by Sir Charles E. Saunders in 1908

Mcintosh Apple ...invented by John McIntosh in 1796

Music Synthesizer ...invented by Hugh Le Caine in 1945

Newsprint ...invented by Charles Fenerty in 1838

Odometer ...invented by Samuel McKeen in 1854

Paint Roller ...invented by Norman Breakey of Toronto in 1940

Plexiglas ...(Polymerized Methyl Methacrylate) invented by William Chalmers in 1931

Polypump Liquid Dispenser ...Harold Humphrey made pumpable liquid hand soap possible in 1972

Portable Film Developing System ...invented by Arthur Williams McCurdy in 1890, but he foolishly sold the patent to George Eastman
in 1903

Potato Digger ...invented by Alexander Anderson in 1856

Process to Extract Helium from Natural Gas ...invented by Sir John Cunningham McLennan in 1915

Prosthetic Hand ...an electric prosthetic invented by Helmut Lucas in 1971

R-Theta Navigation System ...invented by J.E.G. Wright in 1958

Radio-Transmitted Voice ...invented by Reginald A. Fessenden in 1904

Railway Car Brake ...invented by George B. Dorey in 1913

Railway Sleeper Car ...invented by Samuel Sharp in 1857

Robertson Screw ...invented by Peter L. Robertson in 1908

Rotary Blow Molding Machine ...this plastic bottle maker was invented by Gustave Côté in 1966

Rotary Railroad Snowplow ...invented by J.E. Elliott in 1869

Rubber Shoe Heels ...Elijah McCoy patented an important iimprovement to rubber heels in 1879

Safety Paint ...a high reflectivity paint invented by Neil Harpham in 1974

Screw Propeller ...a ship's propeller invented by John Patch in 1833

Silicon Chip Blood Analyzer ...invented by Imants Lauks in 1986

SlickLicker ...made for cleaning oil spills, patented by Richard Sewell in 1970

Snowblower ...invented by Arthur Sicard in 1925

Snowmobile ...invented by Joseph-Armand Bombardier in 1922

Standard Time ...invented by Sir Sanford Fleming in 1878

Stereo-orthography Map Making System ...invented by T.J. Blachut, Stanley Collins in 1965

Superphosphate Fertilizer ...invented by Thomas L. Wilson in 1896

Synthetic Sucrose ...invented by Dr. Raymond Lemieux in 1953

Television ...Reginald A. Fessenden patented a television system in 1927

Television Camera ...invented by F. C. P. Henroteau in 1934

Telephone ..invented by Alexander Graham Bell in 1876

Telephone Handset ...invented by Cyril Duquet in 1878

Tone-to-Pulse Converter ...invented by Michael Cowpland in 1974

Trivial Pursuit ...invented in 1980 by Toronto University students, Chris Haney and Scott Abbott

Tuck-Away-Handle Beer Carton ...invented by Steve Pasjac in 1957

Undersea Telegraph Cable ...invented by Fredrick Newton Gisborne in 1857

UV-degradable Plastics ...invented by Dr. James Guillet in 1971

Variable Pitch Aircraft Propeller ...invented by Walter Rupert Turnbull in 1922

Walkie-Talkie ...invented by Donald L. Hings in 1942

Wireless Radio ...invented by Reginald A. Fessenden in 1900

Wirephoto ...Edward Samuels Rogers invented the first in 1925

Zipper ...invented by Gideon Sundback in 1913


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reilly

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"John Crawford" <u1f...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Jolly Jumper ...a baby's delight invented by Olivia Poole in 1959

I love these things, they're absolutely hilarious to watch. :-)


John Crawford

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Reilly wrote:

I forgot to throw in White Out. A Canadian Lady yet.

I have been meaning to ask the rev kool. If the Excited states is so great and powerful
with everything,, how come you aint caught "Bin Laden". You should have had this one
"Rag head" strapped in the chair and you throwing the switch.
Looks like one Camel Jockey has kind of given you guys the slip

Rev. Don Kool

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John Crawford wrote:
> Just so you don't get confused on who did what I thought i would throw this in.
> I haven't check with the "Smelly Europeans' as you put it as what they invented
> for your benefit but I will.

[...fantasy snipped...]

You canuks have the lowest self-esteem of anyone. LOL!!! Have some
backbackon, eh. Get over the fact that you are nobodies, going nowhere,
eh. Take off, hoser.

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Don Kool

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Desi "Lost the job" Coughlan wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool <old...@comcast.net> wrote ...

>>>Just so you don't get confused on who did what I thought i would throw this in.


>>>I haven't check with the "Smelly Europeans' as you put it as what they invented
>>>for your benefit but I will.

>> You canuks have the lowest self-esteem of anyone. LOL!!! Have some

>>backbackon, eh. Get over the fact that you are nobodies, going nowhere,
>>eh. Take off, hoser.

> 'backbackon' ??
>
> ROTFLMAO !!
>
> Going for the record number of spelling cock-ups ... sorry, 'cock-up's'
> (sic) in the one week, Scooter-Boy ? Why not remind us all of how
> 'Bbritian' (sic) is 'their' (sic) to mock you ..?
>
> LMAO !! Have another Jack Daniels, Scoot. Or can you no longer see
> straight to pick up the bottle ?


Desmond: Thanks to Rev. Kool I have no company to post from now.

Well at least you still have your newbie spelling flames, Shorty.


ROTFLOLASTD!!!!

Hope this helps,

John Crawford

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Jan 3, 2003, 11:30:57 AM1/3/03
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"Rev. Don Kool" wrote:

Wrong again there Rev Fool. You snipped reality not fantasy.
I have low self -esteem. You got that wrong. I dont have to hide a
fake claim to being a man of the cloth to get attention like you.
.You still haven't answered the question. Of course you never do
WERE"S Bin Laden, ya caught him yet???

Rev. Don Kool

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Johnny Crawford wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:

>>Johnny Crawford wrote:


>>>Just so you don't get confused on who did what I thought i would throw this in.
>>>I haven't check with the "Smelly Europeans' as you put it as what they invented
>>>for your benefit but I will.

>> [...fantasy snipped...]

>> You canuks have the lowest self-esteem of anyone. LOL!!! Have some
>>backbackon, eh. Get over the fact that you are nobodies, going nowhere,
>>eh. Take off, hoser.

> Wrong again there Rev Fool. You snipped reality not fantasy.


> I have low self -esteem.

I already pointed that out, my son. God Bless. Amen.

Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,

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