Militia members needed

[ray southwell]

I am calling on my local militia members to volunteer to help root out the drug dealers in Nikiski. My letter in today's local paper looking for volunteers.

http://peninsulaclarion.com/opinion/letters/2015-05-27/citizens-should-take-on-community-policing

Ray

[Norm Olson]

I've talked to several individuals who support the idea of "self-help" policing.

Many questions come up.    There'll be a short presentation of the LESA

plan presented during lunch at the senior center on Thursday.   There'll

also be a radio interview (with call-ins) on Friday at 10am (KSRM Radio).

Also on June 4th at the Rec Center at 6PM.   During that "Town Hall"

meeting The three member task force will give each speaker 5 minutes

to share their thoughts on whether this ordinance should go forward or not.

Wayne Ogle will probably give a little history, but it is not set up for a Q&A

...pretty similar to time allowed at the KPB assembly meetings.

 

There are many positive benefits to self-help policing.  The meeting on

June 6th will bring out the pros and cons of the LESA plan.  So far, the

objections I've heard are varied.  They include:

   1. "We don't want more police poking around in our privacy. The threat

of property crime is less than the threat of an increased police presence."

   2.  "I'm against a local police force because you can't control the police

once they are established to enforce Alaska's laws.  What protection will

we have and what power will we have to prevent police abuse of power?"

   3.  "I'm against it because of the cost.  1.5 mills will add $150 to my

tax bill based on my assessed value of $100,000."

 

People are split on the issue for various reasons.   I think self-help policing

is a great idea.  In fact, the "policing" has already been done.  The community

knows who the bad guys are and where they live.  Once the KNOWN

bad guys are run out of the community, the message will be sent to all the

others who think they can come to Nikiski.     Think what would happen if

3 or 4 known thieves and dealers were banished by the community. 

 

Maybe after the June 4th meeting we would rent the old senior center to have

our own Town Hall discussion on forming a group to deal with the thieves

and dealers.

 

Norm

 

 

Here's a copy of the proposed ordinance.

 

 

 

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Introduced by: Ogle

Date: 05/05/15

Hearing: 06/16/15

Action:

Vote:

KENAI PENINSULA BOROUGH

ORDINANCE 2015-11

AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE NIKISKI

LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICE AREA

WHEREAS,

the Nikiski area is experiencing an increase in the reported frequency and severity

of burglaries and other crimes against persons, property and the community; and

WHEREAS,

due to distance from the nearest trooper station in Soldotna and limited trooper

resources, trooper response to calls from Nikiski may not be effective; and

WHEREAS,

the existing level of service currently provided by the Alaska State Troopers is

insufficient to meet the community needs; and

WHEREAS,

Nikiski has an elementary school and a middle/high school which would

experience long response time delays for an incident requiring law enforcement

which is a significant community concern; and

WHEREAS,

the Nikiski Community Action Group (NCAG) held several community meetings,

the first of which drew 250-300 members of the community who demonstrated a

desire to reduce crime in the area; and

WHEREAS,

a committee was formed under the auspices of the Nikiski Community Council

(NCC) to identify problems and potential solutions concerning the law

enforcement issues in the Nikiski area, and which held almost-weekly meetings

October 2014 through January, 2015; and

WHEREAS,

the committee recommended to the NCC that a Nikiski Law Enforcement Service

Area (LESA), following the geographic boundaries established by the Nikiski

Fire Service Area, be created to address the law enforcement needs of the

community; and

WHEREAS,

at its meeting of January 26, 2015, the NCC unanimously approved sending a

letter of endorsement of this proposal to the borough assembly; and

WHEREAS,

law enforcement services could be provided through the establishment of a

LESA; and

WHEREAS,

grant opportunities may exist which could aid in the startup of the LESA; and

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WHEREAS,

it is anticipated that the Nikiski area may experience an exponential growth as a

result of the proposed LNG plant; and

WHEREAS,

the formation of this service area is in accordance with the requirements of AS

29.35.450(b); and

WHEREAS,

based on public documents, the City of Seward budgets about $1.8 million for 9

law enforcement (LE) officers; the City of Homer budgets $2.58 million for 12

LE officers; the City of Kenai budgets $2.9 million for 18 LE officers; and the

City of Soldotna budgets $2.28 million for 14 LE officers; and

WHEREAS,

the committee’s research indicates that Nikiski would need a LESA with

approximately 9 LE officers to provide LE activities comparable in scope to the

City of Seward; and

WHEREAS,

taxable property in the area identified for inclusion within the proposed Nikiski

LESA is valued at $1.45 billion, and therefore 1.5 mil would raise approximately

$2.2 million; and

WHEREAS,

if the LESA is approved by the voters and after considering recommendations

from the service area board and public comments the assembly shall approve

either the creation of a borough police department for the Nikiski LESA, or that

the borough shall enter into a contract with an existing law enforcement agency,

which could be equivalent to or less inclusive than full law enforcement services

that might be provided by a borough police department;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE ASSEMBLY OF THE KENAI

PENINSULA BOROUGH:

SECTION 1.

That Title 16 of the Kenai Peninsula Borough Code of Ordinances is amended by

adding a new chapter to be numbered 16.80, which shall read as follows:

CHAPTER 16.80. NIKISKI LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICE AREA

16.80.010. Boundaries.

There is established a service area within the borough designated as the "Nikiski Law

Enforcement Service Area" in that portion of the borough described as all the

following referenced to the Seward Meridian, Alaska:

Commencing at the township line between T5N and T6N R17W S.M., and the mean high

water line on the westerly shore of Cook Inlet;

Thence westerly along the township line between T5N and T6N to the westerly boundary

of the Kenai Peninsula Borough;

Thence northerly and easterly along the boundary of the Kenai Peninsula Borough

through Cook Inlet to the protracted northeast corner of T11N R5W in Turnagain

Arm;

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Thence southeasterly to the intersection of the southerly mean high water line of

Turnagain Arm and the 150th meridian west of Greenwich within T10N R4W

S.M.;

Thence southerly along the 150th meridian to the township line between T8N and T9N

R4W;

Thence westerly along the township line between T8N and T9N to the northwest corner

of T8N R9W S.M.;

Thence southerly along the range line between R9W and R10W to the southeast corner of

T6N R10W S.M.;

Thence westerly along the township line between T5N and T6N to the southeast corner of

Section 32 T6N R10W;

Thence northerly along the section line between Sections 32 and 33 to the northeast

corner of Section 32;

Thence westerly along the section line to the northwest corner of Section 31 T6N R10W

on the corporate boundary of the city of Kenai;

Thence northerly and westerly along the corporate boundary of the city of Kenai to the

intersection with the mean low water line of Cook Inlet and the section line

between Sections 23 and 26 T6N R12W S.M.;

Thence westerly along the section line extended three miles into Cook Inlet;

Thence southwesterly to the protracted southeast corner of 6N Rl4W in Cook Inlet;

Thence westerly along the protracted township line between T5N and T6N to the mean

high water line on the westerly shore of Cook Inlet the true point of beginning.

16.80.020. Board of directors.

There is established a board of directors for oversight of the operations of the Nikiski

Law Enforcement Service Area composed of five members who shall be elected by the

qualified voters of the service area in the manner provided in the borough election code

and KPB 16.04.065 as now enacted or may be hereinafter amended. Board seats to be

filled at the first election of board members shall be staggered as follows: Seats A and D

for three years; seats B and E for two years; and seat C for one year.

16.80.025. Mill levy.

No mill levy in excess of 1.5 mils shall be levied on behalf of the service area unless an

increase is approved by the assembly during the budgetary process.

16.80.030. Board-Meetings-Quorum.

The board shall meet periodically at a regularly scheduled time and place designated by

the board. Special meetings of the board may be called by the chair of the board or by

any two members upon at least one day's notice thereof published in a newspaper or via

radio having general distribution within the service area. The notice shall set forth the

time and place of the meeting and shall be communicated by mail, telephone, fax, or

email to each board member. All meetings shall be open to the public as provided by law.

Except as provided below, three board members shall constitute a quorum and an action

shall require the affirmative vote of three board members. If the board membership is less

than five, then a quorum shall be the majority of the remaining seated members.

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16.80.040. Board-Election of officers.

At the first regular meeting following certification of the election by the assembly, and

annually thereafter, the board shall elect by majority vote of the board members, and

from the board members, a chair and such other officers as the board shall determine to

be desirable who shall hold office until successors are elected.

16.80.050. Board-Terms of office.

Each member of the board of directors shall be elected for a term of three years and shall

serve thereafter until his or her successor has been elected, qualified and sworn to assume

the duties of the office, except that the first board shall contain members elected for lesser

periods to provide for staggered terms as provided in KPB 16.80.020.

16.80.060. Board-Vacancies-Created when

Vacancies on the board are created upon declaration of vacancy by the board if a

member:

A. Fails to qualify or take office within 30 days after his or her election or

appointment;

B. Is physically absent from the service area for a 90-day period, unless excused by

the board;

C. Changes his or her primary residence for a period longer than 90 days to a

location outside of the jurisdiction from which the board is elected;

D. Resigns and his or her resignation is accepted;

E. Is physically or mentally unable to perform the duties of his or her office;

F. Misses three consecutive regular meetings unless excused; or

G. Is convicted of an offense involving a violation of his oath of office or is removed

from office pursuant to a recall election.

16.80.070. Board-Vacancies-Filling.

Vacancies on the board shall be filled by appointment by the mayor and confirmation by

the assembly to serve until the next regular election of the borough at which time a new

member shall be elected to fill the unexpired term or for a three-year term if no unexpired

term remains. The clerk shall provide at least twenty-one days advance public notice

before filling the vacancy. Public notice may be provided by publication through print or

broadcast media, posting at the primary service area office or at the borough

administration building, and such other publication as the service area board deems

appropriate.

16.80.080 Board-Powers and duties

Pursuant to the provisions of AS 29.35.460 the board of directors of the service area,

subject to assembly approval and appropriation of funds, shall have the power to provide

and determine the scope and level of law enforcement services in the service area. This

shall be either by contract or creation of a new law enforcement department within the

service area as approved by the assembly in a manner consistent with law after

considering the desires of the community through board and assembly meeting processes.

The board shall promptly provide accurate and complete copies of minutes of all board

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meetings, all board resolutions and reports of other actions taken by the board to the

clerk’s office for distribution to the mayor and assembly.

16.80.090. Personnel system-Rules and regulations.

Employees of the Nikiski LESA, if any, shall be employees of the Kenai Peninsula

Borough. All such personnel employed as police officers must meet the minimum

standards of the Alaska Police Standards Council pursuant to Alaska Statutes Title 18 for

employment as a non- probationary police officer.

16.80.100 Employee conduct requirements.

Employees of the service area, if any, are employees of the borough, and as such, are

required at all times to conduct themselves in an exemplary manner befitting the public

service in which they are employed.

16.80.110. Budget and fiscal control.

The formulation of a budget and fiscal control of expenditures of public monies of the

service area are under the supervision of the mayor. The finance director of the borough

shall provide the board with the rules and regulations governing the appropriation of

funds, the budgeting of funds, the authorization of expenditures, and any and all rules and

regulations of the borough fiscal policy to which the service area is subject. The board

shall arrange for the preparation of a budget and capital program, which shall be

submitted to the mayor for approval. The budget and capital expenditure proposals shall

be subject to the procedures for adopting the borough budget and capital expenditures

program and its consideration by the assembly. Such public hearings as are necessary

shall be a part of the budgetary procedures before the board and the assembly.

16.80.120. Chief law enforcement officer-Appointment, qualifications, and removal.

Unless otherwise provided for by contract, if the chief law enforcement officer is a

borough employee, that person shall be appointed by the mayor from the list of most

qualified candidate or candidates nominated by the service area board after its

consideration of applications received in response to public notice of vacancies. The

chief law enforcement officer must have a current intermediate or advanced certificate

from the Alaska Police Standards Council. The officer so appointed shall be subject to

removal by the mayor. The service area board may independently make a

recommendation to the mayor regarding the suspension or discharge of the chief law

enforcement officer; however, such suspension or discharge remains within the sole

discretion of the mayor. The officer shall administer policy as set by the board.

16.80.130. Chief law enforcement officer-Accountability.

When the chief law enforcement officer of the service area is hired as an employee, that

person shall be held accountable to the service area board and the mayor, and shall make

written and verbal reports to the board and mayor as required by the board and mayor. If

the chief law enforcement officer of the service area is hired pursuant to a contract with

an external organization, the accountability shall be as provided by that contract.

16.80.140. Policies-Formulation and Authority-Approval Required.

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The board shall formulate policies to govern the operation of the service area subject to

approval by the mayor.

16.80.150. Annual reports required.

The board shall make a complete annual report to the mayor within one month after the

close of the fiscal year, such report to include the information specified by the rules and

regulations of the borough, together with comparative data for previous years and

recommendations for improving the service to the service area.

16.80.160. Procedure-Conduct of Affairs - Meetings

The board shall adopt bylaws or regulations governing the conduct of its affairs, and rules

of procedure for the conduct of its meetings, so long as such bylaws are procedural in

nature and do not conflict with the substantive rules and regulations governing the board

in its delegated powers.

16.80.170. Purchasing-Agent.

A. The purchasing agent for the service area is the borough Purchasing and

Contracting Director. All purchases of supplies, materials, equipment, and

contractual services, other than any contract for law enforcement services, shall

be made in accordance with the rules and regulations adopted by the assembly.

Any award of a contract for law enforcement services shall be made in

accordance with the rules and regulations adopted by the assembly, including any

that it may specifically adopt for that purpose, after considering recommendations

presented by the service area board.

B. All contracts for capital improvements and maintenance performed in connection

with the service area shall be administered by the borough capital projects

department in accordance with the department's normal procedures.

16.80.180. Accounts- Vouchers-Accounting.

All accounting functions for the service area shall be under the supervision of the

borough finance director who shall provide rules, regulations, and procedures governing

the issuance and payment of vouchers, the issuance and payment of checks, the use of the

central treasury of the borough, and the manner in which all bonds, contracts, leases or

other obligations requiring the payment of funds from the appropriations in the service

area budget are to be processed and administered.

16.80.190. Fiscal procedures.

The service area shall abide by the fiscal policies and procedures applicable to the

borough general government budget not inconsistent with this ordinance.

SECTION 2.

That the following proposition shall be placed before the voters of the proposed

Nikiski Law Enforcement Service Area at the next regular election to be held

October 6, 2015:

PROPOSITION ____

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"Shall the Kenai Peninsula Borough be authorized to exercise criminal law

enforcement powers in the Kenai Peninsula Borough Nikiski Law Enforcement

Service Area within the boundaries defined by Ordinance 2015-____? The mill

levy shall not exceed 1.5 mils unless an increase is approved by the assembly

during the budgetary process.”

_____ YES A “yes” vote means the borough may provide criminal law

enforcement services in the proposed Nikiski Law Enforcement Service

Area and that the service area will be established.

_____ NO A “no” vote means the proposed Nikiski Law Enforcement Service

Area shall not be established.

SECTION 3.

That notwithstanding KPB 16.04.040 the public hearing held within the proposed

service area boundaries may be held after this ordinance was introduced.

SECTION 4.

That section 2 and 3 of this ordinance shall take effect immediately upon its

enactment and section 1 of this ordinance shall take effect upon approval of the

proposition in Section 2 above by a majority of the qualified voters voting on the

issue and certification of the election.

ENACTED BY THE ASSEMBLY OF THE KENAI PENINSULA BOROUGH THIS *

DAY OF * 2015.

Dale Bagley, Assembly President

ATTEST:

Johni Blankenship, MMC, Borough Clerk

Yes:

No:

Absent:

 

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[kath mccubbins carlson]

How about looking into creating a. Borough - wide SHERIFF'S department? I would be all for that rather than our current system...

[Norm Olson]

 

The same objections would arise, only on a greater scale.  If you can

make it to the town hall meeting on the 4th at 6pm (at the Nikiski Rec Center)

you can certainly raise the idea.

 

In discussions with the Community Council's LESA committee, the idea

of a borough-wide police force was discussed.   As I remember, the

objections included the multi-levels of bureaucracy that would be required

to create such a force.   That, and the fact that local policing of high-crime

communities would be cheaper than establishing a borough-wide force.

The Troopers are assigned the task of dealing with outlying villages when

the local village safety officer requires their assistance. 

 

What may work would be the assignment of Safety Officers (with arrest

powers) to Nikiski.   A few selected individuals with police powers who

live in the community could do the kind of investigatory work necessary

to deal with the thieves and dealers.    Perhaps that's something that

we need to look at.

[ray southwell]

Thanks for the update. It always amazes me when all politicians want bigger government to solve problems. Matters little, Republican or Democrat, all support more government and more taxes on the people.

When will the people recognize it is not government's role to keep us safe. Government is to help the people increase their productivity. Safety is an individual's responsibility.

Ray

[ray southwell]

Going fishing today and cannot make the lunch meeting. However is the next meeting June 4th or 6th. I will attempt to call in tomorrow to KSRM. Do you have their call in number and radio dial number handy? I will also be to the Borough Assembly meeting on the 16th.

Ray

[Shane Land]

While I applaud the idea you have and the initiative expressed in wanting to provide assistance to the community, I believe a group of militiamen patrolling the streets to “root out the drug dealers” is a mistake. 

You refer to Mr. Putin utilizing vigilante’s to patrol Moscow so I must provide the following definition.  As Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary defines it, a vigilante is:  “1) A person who is not a police officer but who tries to catch and punish criminals, and 2) A member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly :  a self-appointed doer of justice.”

Based on these definitions, I must ask some pertinent questions.  Since when is it the duty of a militia to catch and summarily punish criminals?  What type of law enforcement training do militia members have?  What powers of detainment or arrest do militia members have?  What powers of search and seizure do militia members have?  Who dictates that what you are doing is right and that you aren’t infringing upon the rights of others?  What legitimate State of Alaska entity bestowed the powers of law enforcement upon the militia members?  Is it a desire to impose some form of “martial law” upon a community which controls and restricts their movement just to catch drug dealers?  Is everyone presumed to be guilty until found to be not guilty?  Even if a drug dealer is caught, what gives a militia the right to “jail” him/her?  What is the process by which a proper investigation is to be conducted?  What is your process for “chain of custody” of evidence?  What is the dealer’s right to due process and legal representation?  If you are there to protect the community from drug dealers, who will be there to protect the community from you?  What if Troopers show up and tell you to go home?  Will you abide by the instructions of legitimate State supported law enforcement personnel? These are just some questions you should have answers to otherwise, there is no legitimacy in the eyes of the population for what you are doing.

No matter the best of intentions, relying on a group of armed vigilantes for justice does nothing more than provide for an invitation to expand the problem, not deter or eliminate the problem in Nikiski.  Is laying the groundwork for potential bloodshed in the streets of Nikiski because of a low intensity conflict between militant vigilantes and drug dealers desired by the local population?  Certainly it is not and if it does happen, the population is innocently caught in the middle of the conflict.  However, I see no fault in concerned citizens augmenting the police force with logistics and support while not being an “actionable arm” of the force. 

When the first drug dealer or militia member is shot and killed (or God forbid an innocent child or adult), others will rally to the sympathy of cause on all sides thereby escalating the problem.  More dealers and gang members, more militia members, families seeking retribution, more guns, more opportunities for innocents to be hurt and killed, and a plethora of negative publicity brought upon the situation and all those involved.  In my opinion, you are openly asking for the State and Federal governments to step into all of your business.

You spoke in your article of the “Deacons of Defense” in the 1960’s.  This organization acted in self-defense of violent crimes caused by racial oppression in the south.  I submit to you, this is not the 1960’s, the south, and not an issue of racial oppression.  This organization did not act in a law enforcement capacity and became an integral part of the civil rights movement.  They promoted non-violence and did not go seeking trouble, but defended against it when necessary.  I cannot say that the idea of a non-law enforcement para-military force desiring to root out drug dealers promotes the same ideology.

It would seem that you are wanting to assist the community in some way and I find that commendable.  The community identified problems with the road system in Nikiski and that provides a tremendous opportunity for the militia to assist.  The road system is a basic need/necessity for the population.  Why not have the group develop a plan, implement that plan into action, and do some repairs?  Showing that you care as much about the conditions of the roads as you do about drug dealers is another way to obtain legitimacy in the eyes of the Nikiski population.

Militias must seek to obtain and maintain legitimacy with the population they swear to defend.  It isn’t always about defense…it is also about providing support to the communities in which they live and being proactive as leaders in that community.  Militia personnel and groups must strive to do things better than the rest; they must hold themselves to a higher standard.  The only organizations out there who do not have to hold themselves to a higher standard or act within the boundaries of the law are criminal organizations which is why, they are labeled as criminal.

These are my thoughts and analysis.

Shane

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[J R]

you are EXACTLY right Shane it is not our responsability to do this
sort of thing, off my property or my neighbors

On 5/28/15, Shane Land <lshan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> While I applaud the idea you have and the initiative expressed in wanting
> to provide assistance to the community, I believe a group of militiamen
> patrolling the streets to “root out the drug dealers” is a mistake.
>
> You refer to Mr. Putin utilizing vigilante’s to patrol Moscow so I must
> provide the following definition. As Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary
> defines it, a vigilante is: “1) A person who is not a police officer but
> who tries to catch and punish criminals, and 2) A member of a volunteer
> committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the

> processes of law are viewed as inadequate); *broadly* *:* a self-appointed

> step into *all* of your business.

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[ray southwell]

Shane and JR,

The assumption is what the media states as fact. At no time did I say vigilante. That was a media created headline to distract from the fact that Putin was calling on citizens to patrol the streets of Moscow. My experience with the media is they create the distorted headline to distract from the facts. Much as the media calls the militia anything but a defensive group. 

But I understand. I just wonder how many will stand up to government corruption when they will rationalize why they should not stand up to local corruption with drug dealers.

And like most politicians, big government is the answer to keep us all safe from drug dealers and terrorists. Just give government more of our labor and they can care for us from cradle to grave. Just like the old plantation days.

Here is the link to the Putin reference-

Putin Turns to Volunteer Vigilantes to Patrol Moscow

				Putin Turns to Volunteer Vigilantes to Patrol Moscow The United Russia Party will assemble squads of “athletic” men pulled from private security firms, military associations, and Russia’s famed Cossacks, to patrol Mos...
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[J R]

I have set up a neighborhood watch gathering here and another is
planned in the near furure,,,,now Ray what have you done besides ask
people to stand up

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> Shane and JR,The assumption is what the media states as fact. At no time did

> I say vigilante. That was a media created headline to distract from the fact
> that Putin was calling on citizens to patrol the streets of Moscow. My
> experience with the media is they create the distorted headline to distract
> from the facts. Much as the media calls the militia anything but a defensive
> group.
> But I understand. I just wonder how many will stand up to government
> corruption when they will rationalize why they should not stand up to local
> corruption with drug dealers.
> And like most politicians, big government is the answer to keep us all safe
> from drug dealers and terrorists. Just give government more of our labor and
> they can care for us from cradle to grave. Just like the old plantation
> days.

> Here is the link to the Putin reference-Putin Turns to Volunteer Vigilantes
> to Patrol Moscow
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> | Putin Turns to Volunteer Vigilantes to Patrol MoscowThe United Russia

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[Norm Olson]

Now, if Alaska were constituted like other states with counties and sheriffs, it

might solve its own problem.  The history of Sheriffs In America has been

very positive where local law enforcement is needed.   A sheriff elected by

the people, serving as a bonded private "contractor" with the authority to

appoint deputies has shown to be an adequate tool for law enforcement.

 

It may be that one day in the future, the communities within a borough will

consolidate their law enforcement efforts and create a sheriff for mutual

assistance and law enforcement.   As it stands now, each village and town

must deal with the law enforcement challenge on its own.  What the local

cops can cover, the AST is expected to.

 

Other States down below have State Police AND Sheriffs.  It most cases

they work together well.  

 

The sleepy little village of Nikiski will change big-time in the next decade

if the LNG plant goes forward.    I wonder how the towns in North Dakota

have dealt with the rapid growth that came with the oil boom.

 

Norm

 

 

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[Shane Land]

Ray,

Before I begin, I ask that you and other members do not perceive my opinions as too scathing.  Mine is nothing more than constructive criticism as we are all of the same like mindedness.

 

You referenced what Putin was doing with the article from The Fiscal Times which used the word “vigilante.”  The article itself exemplifies tactics to be used which are very “Gestapo-esque.”  The article also utilizes the words “fascist” and “fascism” in conjunction with “Nazi Party”, “Mussolini”, and “Franco.”  Should legitimate militia groups want to associate themselves with such historical words or names that incite fear?  Should militia groups want to align themselves with a thought process like the one outlined in the Putin article?  I say absolutely not for it does nothing to promote legitimacy of the organization, it undermines positive efforts put forth by members, and it breeds distrust from our communities.

If in referencing the Putin article things were taken out of context, then you should contact the paper and ask that they retract the article and provide a public apology for the distortion of facts.  I agree, the media does indeed distort headlines in order to detract from facts and it is very easy for them to do so when someone provides the opportunity.  And yes, the media does call militia groups anything but a defensive group and why shouldn’t they?  I mean after all, over the last few decades groups and individuals of militias nationwide have provided the media with story after story and example after example of dissidence, anger, and overt hostility towards government.  I do not necessarily feel that the public’s assumption of what the media states is fact in regards to militia groups.  However, I do feel the perception that the public has in regards to militia groups is founded upon the more than numerous “bright and shining” examples of historical mal-actions taken by militia groups over the past decades.  Honestly speaking, it has been a Public Affairs nightmare for an organization/group that needs to be moving towards legitimacy but instead keeps moving away from it by providing “chum” in the waters for a media feeding frenzy.

In my opinion, a militia is more than a defensive group or at least it should be.  Yet, out of all the group websites and/or Facebook pages, I have seen nothing that promotes legitimacy.  I do see countless pictures of personnel in tactical gear and uniforms conducting patrols, practicing H2H techniques, etc.  I also read countless posts which involve a lot of complaining over what the government is and is not doing but I have yet to see one post or picture on pages involving group members doing anything of substantial value for the community and for me, this is worrisome. 

I spoke in my post yesterday that we must hold ourselves to a higher standard and this must be done sooner rather than later.  If we want to change the public perception as well as that of the media, then we must seize the opportunity to do so.  Something as simple as providing a legitimate CPR/First Aid class (American Heart Association or American Red Cross) or provide a bi-monthly soup kitchen for those in need in the community can enhance positive perception.    We should not show up to any of these gatherings wearing tactical uniforms or carrying weapons.  Instead, we should have some nice pull over shirts/sweatshirts made with the group logo on the left chest area worn with nice blue jeans.  We should be approachable instead of intimidating.  These simple/soft approaches will tremendously assist us in our endeavors to change perception within the community and gain support.  These events also provide for attendance of the media (newspaper and television) which promotes a positive message abroad if questions are correctly answered when fielded by reporters.

In regards to standing up to local drug dealers….a group of concerned citizens, abiding by the laws and processes set forth, should approach the city council with the issue.  If the council chooses to ignore the concerns of the citizens, then one of those citizens should seek election to the council where they can propose and implement change.  One person in a position of influence can sway the opinion of many others but it is imperative that the correct process be given a chance.  The system is in no way perfect, but it is the system we have in place and the system we must abide by.  A group of concerned citizens taking issues into their own hands is simply not the answer and creates more problems than it solves.  All of us want to continue to do our part but we should remember that we must remain well within the rule of law in doing so.

While I do not believe that “Big Government” is the solution, I also do not believe that “Small Government” is the solution either.  I also do not believe that “Self Governance” is the way to go; other countries have tried this to no avail.  None of our government organizations are perfect, but show me one in this world that is.  Bottom line, we don’t always have to support decisions made by our government and its politicians.  The Constitution and the Bill or Rights provides us the right to disagree, however, there is a correct way to disagree.  Even in opposing laws which we feel are unjust, we are still expected to act in a civil manner and abide by our established rules of law.  Otherwise, we are no better off than third world countries that have no rules of law where numerous savages, barbarians, and other warring factions impose their will on the innocent and oppressed population.

Again, just my thoughts and analysis.

Shane

 

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[Norm Olson]

Shane,    You're right....up to a point.    The militia MUST show itself as the "dogs of war."

The central government knows full well that the blowback from Ruby Ridge and Waco resulted

in the OKC event.   Regardless of whether it was an inside job or not, the public understands

that "payback is a bitch."    The assembly in Nevada last year was a tribute to the militia's

willingness to stand firm against tyranny and oppression.   There is not misunderstanding

that the militia IS and will be the FOREMOST defensive mechanism against the central

government's oppression and tyranny. 

 

   I The day that the militia starts making "nice" with the forces of the central government is

the day we all can say "good-bye" to liberty.           The militia ARE the "dogs of war"   It

must be the message sent to the central government... There can be no agreement or

fellowship with those who want to destroy the Bill of Rights... There can be no agreement

or fellowship with those want to put us all in chains.

 

    I seriously doubt your resolve..    I do not know you personally, but I fear that you would

rather concede or compromise than to stand and fight (and if necessary, die) for the

freedoms that our "founding fathers" bled and died for.

 

   I apologize if I've characterized you wrongly,  but I don't see you as an ardent defending

of the faith!    The militia isn't about "adopting highways,"   "Car Washes,"   or doing all

the nice things that the public expects from us!   The Militia is about MINUTEMEN who are

armed and ready to oppose anyone who attempts to rob us of our liberty!     Apparently,

you want to play "nice" and try to present the militia as a "socially acceptable" group of

civic-minded folks who want to be Squeezably Soft, Socially acceptable, and Politically

Correct.    That is NOT the militia.    The militia is unaffiliated with the government's

Organizational Plan...   We are NOT part of the centralized government or part of the

"organized structure" of government's organizational structure.

 

I fear that  you've underestimated the determination of the true militia and you've missed

the message entirely.

 

I'm willing to take your response...

 

 

Norm Olson

 

 

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[ray southwell]

That is what I am talking about JR. Great Job. Most people I know never felt a need for a neighbor watch here in Nikiski. Now the fear has been generated and some believe a new police department to the tune of $1.5 million is the answer.  Average property tax increase  $150 for 100,000 home. Unless you are a senior citizen. No increase for up to $300,000. I have an alternative answer to addressing the fear.

Ray

[ray southwell]

Once again Shane you assume the article is what Putin is actually thinking. Again, my experience with the media is they write what they want regardless of what I tell them. In 1994 a Detroit TV station headline was "Michigan's Secret Army." It was a story generated from and interview with me about the Militia. They led the watcher to believe we were hiding from the public and their reporter investigated this "secret army."

Understand the media has two purposes. Ratings and selling copy. And most encourage big government to keep us all safe.

Ray

[ray southwell]

I re-read you original response Shane. I respectively disagree with your idea of changing government through the election process. This nation was developed and changed based on courage of civil disobedience and Bloodshed.

  I support civil disobedience (changing government through non-compliance of the tax system) and do not believe we are to the point of bloodshed. However, many believe we are close to the bloodshed threshold.

Please read what Thoreau said in 1849. When civil disobedience did not work we ended with the bloodshed of the Civil War.

 

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper2/thoreau/civil.html

[J R]

I had heard since the latest round of cuts we have 4 troopers that
patrol the mat su after 11 p.m. (the mat su burogh is larger than some
states) they are streatched too thin and can't keep up with the
current crime problem. There's thefts our here contantly it's up to
the communities to patrol their areas. It's getting quite outa hand

On 5/30/15, 'ray southwell' via Alaska Citizens Militia

> blowback from Ruby Ridge and Waco resultedin the OKC event.   Regardless of
> whether it was an inside job or not, the public understandsthat "payback is

> a bitch."    The assembly in Nevada last year was a tribute to the militia's
> willingness to stand firm against tyranny and oppression.   There is not

> misunderstandingthat the militia IS and will be the FOREMOST defensive
> mechanism against the centralgovernment's oppression and tyranny.      I The

> day that the militia starts making "nice" with the forces of the central
> government is the day we all can say "good-bye" to liberty.           The
> militia ARE the "dogs of war"   It must be the message sent to the central

> government... There can be no agreement orfellowship with those who want to
> destroy the Bill of Rights... There can be no agreementor fellowship with

> those want to put us all in chains.     I seriously doubt your resolve..

> I do not know you personally, but I fear that you wouldrather concede or

> compromise than to stand and fight (and if necessary, die) for the freedoms
> that our "founding fathers" bled and died for.    I apologize if I've

> characterized you wrongly,  but I don't see you as an ardent defendingof the

> faith!    The militia isn't about "adopting highways,"   "Car Washes,"   or
> doing all the nice things that the public expects from us!   The Militia is

> about MINUTEMEN who arearmed and ready to oppose anyone who attempts to rob

> us of our liberty!     Apparently, you want to play "nice" and try to
> present the militia as a "socially acceptable" group of civic-minded folks
> who want to be Squeezably Soft, Socially acceptable, and

> PoliticallyCorrect.    That is NOT the militia.    The militia is

> unaffiliated with the government's Organizational Plan...   We are NOT part
> of the centralized government or part of the"organized structure" of
> government's organizational structure. I fear that  you've underestimated

> the determination of the true militia and you've missedthe message

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[Shane Land]

Hey Ray.

I do enjoy a good discussion and this has certainly been one.  I guess in all fairness, we can agree to disagree on this topic as well as we can agree to agree on others.  I certainly respect yours and others perspective and feel that mine have been respected as well.  I also appreciate the willingness of the group to participate in the discussion and share their feelings.

We are all afforded the opportunity to have varied opinions and this discussion is a perfect case in point.  Whatever the case or opinion, thanks for the discussion.

This will likely be my last post to the group as I asked Norm to remove my name from the list last night in an offline email to him.  But if anyone would like to email me personally and get my opinion on things please feel free to do so.

Take care all and keep up the fight.

Shane

[Norm Olson]

Shane,      Please reconsider your request to be dropped from the forum.

You may think that your comments offend or cause division.  They do not.

Scripture speaks of "iron sharpening iron."    There is a urgent need for

all to express points of view, even if they are contrary to that of others.

    For instance, the matter of a new police force in our community has

generated a great deal of criticism.  Those who are for it argue with those

against it.   The final decision will come in October when everyone will

have their chance to vote.   In the meantime, the arguing and dialogue

is providing much needed information so that voters will be well informed.

    The same is true with our discussions regarding the role and function of

the militia.  So much deliberate dis-information has been cobbled by

those who "manufacture consent" (control the people's thinking through the media)

that a truthful and honest discussion of who we are and why we're here becomes

all but impossible.   The media has created a bias against the idea of a

strong constitutional/historic militia.  A constant diet of the central government's

propaganda will shape how people think.   No wonder then that the mere

mention of the word "militia" causes folks to become nervous and fearful.

     Maintaining the truth about the militia is just as important as training.

Consider the uphill battle that comes from defending the legitimacy of the

militia.   People today think the militia is unlawful or illegal simply based

on the fact that they perceive the central government as benevolent and

well-intended.   Naturally, one does not take preventive measure if one

does not see a threat.

     But across the land there are millions of patriots who have tasted the

bitterness of the central government's tyranny.  Those with eyes wide

open can see what is happening and maintain a healthy suspicion, fear,

and respect for the thing we call government.   Like fire, it can be

a useful servant or a fearful master.  

    

     I trust you'll reconsider being dropped from the forum and will

consider instead staying on and staying active in sharing your thoughts.

Iron sharpens iron and a good lively debate is good mental exercise.

 

     If you do finally decide to be dropped, please ask again and I will

reluctantly do so.

 

 

Norm

[ray southwell]

Absolutely agree JR. Much of the problem in Nikiski is drug related. As they said on the radio Friday, there is a belief that the presence of the police deter crime. The example was an empty police car parked on the side of the road and it helps to slow traffic to the posted limit. That is true with law abiding citizens it is not true with the drug dealers.

Drug dealing is based on providing a product for an astronomical price. The drug addict will do what is necessary to purchase the product.

So my plan is to disrupt the economics of the drug dealer. Exposure is the plan. Taking pictures of the known or believed to be drug dealers location (home). Then posting it on Facebook. It will accomplish two things. First and foremost the fear of public retribution for harming the people of Nikiski and placing pressure on the troopers to investigate the alleged  problem.

I believe most problems in the world are based on economics. I am unable to think of any War that was not based on economics. Establish sound economics and freedom and safety is expanded. Change economics of a system and you improve the safety of a community. That is the nature (self interest) of man.

[ray southwell]

Sorry to see you go Shane. I too have enjoyed the public discussion with you and JR. I find few who want to look at the root cause of problems and then develop and implement a process for change. Most talk about a problem over and over again. Talking never changes anything and your discussion helped me share my thoughts. Thanks for the dialog. Long ago, Norm and I learned to agree to disagree. That is why we have remained strong friends for over 30 years.

Ray

[Shane Land]

Hey Ray.  Looks like I'll be staying around.  Norm wrote me a really compelling email....I can certainly understand why you have been friends with him for so long.

Look forward to more on the board.

Shane

[kath mccubbins carlson]

I have enjoyed the comments on this forum....I've learned much from Norm, Ray, Reed, JR, Dave and many others who have felt to post their opinions.
Shane, I'm glad you have decided to stay. It is always good to see how others think...and this particular discussion has caused me to do a LOT of thinking!

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