rights to atlas material

[Ron Jeffries]

All,

Carol copied for info as this relates to rights to Scrum Alliance material.

Atlas material is currently CC BY-NC-ND. Non-commercial, no derived works. That seems mostly reasonable. We can of course offer waivers, but in general I'd think the Scrum Alliance would want to protect this material.

However, via Markus Gärtner, we think about things like these:

• Materials to be handed out to a class, or as part of a coaching effort. If these activities were done for money, would that violate the NC?
• Take the Core page, and, using that text, interpolate examples, which some people want. Does that violate ND?

We might want to talk about this during the Retreat or separately. Chet and I had this idea:

Add a clause to the Trainer's agreement (is there a Coach's agreement too?) that says what is allowed under a waiver. We would expect that a material violation of those guidelines would but one's CST/CSC status in jeopardy.

Allow such materials to be used as part of Scrum-related commercial endeavors such as courses and coaching gigs.

Require submission of all such materials to the Scrum Alliance for their (potential) review. Applicant agrees to keep this submitted material up to date (so you can't submit something good and then convert it to something evil). Not that anyone would.

So … might be a juicy topic for some feedback here on the list (Atlas list preferred, but an it harm none, do as thou wilt) or at the conference.

Regards,

Ron Jeffries

www.XProgramming.com

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[Markus Gaertner]

Just some notes on how and why I would like to use the Core Scrum description form the Atlas in our course material.

The idea is to create a Scrum workbook including the tasks and responsibilities of the ScrumMaster and the ProductOwner, include some example Product Backlogs from clients (since participants keep on asking about those), together with the story splitting cheat sheet, and book references in a concise handbook for the CSM/CSPO classes. Right now, we hand out "Do Better Scrum" from Hundermark as a separate description. We would like to include the Core Scrum description since it has the touch of being the "official" Scrum Alliance description.

I see two ways we could to this. Either we print out the German pdf (Germans seem to like German course material), and hand them out separately. However, then we would still have so much material floating around in class, that the second option would help more, I think: Include the text from the Scrum Core into the handbook together with that other stuff I mentioned before. The latter seems to conflict with the ND part of the license, I think.

Best

Markus

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[Ron Jeffries]

Markus,

On May 3, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Markus Gaertner <mgae...@gmail.com> wrote:

I see two ways we could to this. Either we print out the German pdf (Germans seem to like German course material), and hand them out separately. However, then we would still have so much material floating around in class, that the second option would help more, I think: Include the text from the Scrum Core into the handbook together with that other stuff I mentioned before. The latter seems to conflict with the ND part of the license, I think.

I think if it is included as separate page, and not edited, that it would be perfectly OK, with the usual copyright, CC, link to the site stuff on it.

I'm hoping we'll be talking about this topic in Vegas. We'll see how it goes.

After that we'll see if we can at least figure out how one makes a request and gets it approved. Right now I doubt we really have the authority to do it. :)

Thanks for bringing up an important topic,

Ron Jeffries

www.XProgramming.com

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[Peter Stevens]

Hi Ron,

Licenses limit what users of a work can do, not what the owners of the work can do. The owner(s) of the work are free to make other agreements with selected users. Assuming the Scrum Alliance is the owner of the work, the Alliance could authorize exceptions to the trainers.

Having said that, I am not sure that the NC-ND is the most appropriate. We want to transform the world of work, so the distribution and integration of this core document should be easy, not hard...

Best,

Peter

On 03.05.13 20:13, Ron Jeffries wrote:

All,

Carol copied for info as this relates to rights to Scrum Alliance material.

Atlas material is currently CC BY-NC-ND. Non-commercial, no derived works. That seems mostly reasonable. We can of course offer waivers, but in general I'd think the Scrum Alliance would want to protect this material.

However, via Markus G�rtner, we think about things like these:

• Materials to be handed out to a class, or as part of a coaching effort. If these activities were done for money, would that violate the NC?
• Take the Core page, and, using that text, interpolate examples, which some people want. Does that violate ND?

We might want to talk about this during the Retreat or separately. Chet and I had this idea:

Add a clause to the Trainer's agreement (is there a Coach's agreement too?) that says what is allowed under a waiver. We would expect that a material violation of those guidelines would but one's CST/CSC status in jeopardy.

Allow such materials to be used as part of Scrum-related commercial endeavors such as courses and coaching gigs.

Require submission of all such materials to the Scrum Alliance for their (potential) review. Applicant agrees to keep this submitted material up to date (so you can't submit something good and then convert it to something evil). Not that anyone would.

So � might be a juicy topic for some feedback here on the list (Atlas list preferred, but an it harm none, do as thou wilt) or at the conference.

Regards,

Ron Jeffries

www.XProgramming.com

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Inside I am screaming and have a machine gun.

Yin and Yang I figure.

� -- Tom Jeffries

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[Mark Levison]

I would quite happily settle for attribution. Derivative works are fine by me and I really can't see a problem with commercial gain.

If that works for the other authors we're good.

Cheers
Mark

[Daniel James Gullo]

It would be nice to make this as flexible as possible:  You can't hawk the atlas outside the context of a class but you can include it as part of the materials for your class.  

Whether it's a separate handout or part of your workbook shouldn't really matter, IMHO.

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[Ron Jeffries]

Hi Peter,

On May 4, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Peter Stevens <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

work are free to make other agreements with selected users. Assuming the Scrum Alliance is the owner of the work, the Alliance could authorize exceptions to the trainers.

Yes, Peter. However you and I are not the Scrum Alliance. So we need to be granted rights. Similarly people on the street.

We started with this license as it is, we think, safe enough until the Scrum Alliance gets around to saying what is really wanted.

Having said that, I am not sure that the NC-ND is the most appropriate. We want to transform the world of work, so the distribution and integration of this core document should be easy, not hard...

In a world of good will, that would be entirely true. However, ...

Ron Jeffries

www.XProgramming.com

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[Ron Jeffries]

HI Mark,

I'm delighted to see the desire to keep this information free.

On May 4, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Mark Levison <ma...@mlevison.com> wrote:

I would quite happily settle for attribution. Derivative works are fine by me and I really can't see a problem with commercial gain.

If that works for the other authors we're good.

We imagine that any author can grant greater rights.

Would our authors be OK with someone basing chapters of their book very substantially on our author's article, with a note somewhere mentioning them by name? Would our authors be OK with their material being included in a book debunking Scrum by taking big sections of the article and bashing them, saying how silly they were and how the original author's mother dresses them funny?

Not much chance of this but what if someone bound the Atlas into a book and sold it for money? Would we be concerned about that?

The thing with rights is that there's a need to look to the worst case, not the best. Depressing.

As for me, I'd give it away. But there's not much in there with my name on it. I recall issuing a takedown when someone ripped off my web site content. 

Ron Jeffries

www.XProgramming.com

I have two cats, and a big house full of cat stuff. 

The cats fight and divide up the house, messing up their own lives. 

Nice work cats. 

Meow.

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So I have a slide (gasp) that is a screen shot of the main page. I take the folks to the live site, show them what building stuff and helping others to do it. As we add to it the classes see new stuff. Gee soumds like the first sentence of the manifesto really works. 8-)

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