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Robert Settle

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I would strongly advise anyone towards a Code Zero. You'll never want to sail again without it. It is expensive though initially for the setup as you'll need a continuous line furling unit and either a bowsprit or tack fitting that clears the pulpit. The plus is the furling unit can easily attach to any other sail that is appropriate. I went with a Facnor as they have the longest track record with these but there are many highly rated others making them now.

I bought my Code Zero from China directly after confirming the curves and specs they produced prior to cutting cloth. After all -the China lofts build almost every US sailmakers sails now. I paid about half any US quotes. Same with my assym. I'd be hesitant though to buy a mainsail or my genoa from China. Just too fiddly with the draft and many other points where you'd want your sailmaker to make adjustments.

The Starzinger article is almost spot on. They -like me prefer not to run the diesel if at all possible. Why burn diesel when you can run an assym or code zero? That's why it's called sailing. I don't agree with them re. the assymmetrical as a hassle. I launch and douse it easily and prefer it over the main and headsail on a pole setup. I even run it at night within reason.

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Rob Raymond <wind...@gmail.com>: Jul 26 08:42PM -0700

But there's a catch. You have to pick it up in Ladner, BC, and it has to be
this week. It ran, but it's been stripped to make it fit through the hatch.
 
If nobody want's it I'll be calling the scrap guys.
Ross Hoag <ross...@gmail.com>: Jul 26 01:33PM -0700

I am the new owner of PEKINA (formerly Touché) a Passport 41.
 
I have been following this site since I started shopping for a Passport
over a year ago. Thanks for all the great background and buying tips!
 
My sail plan questions:
 
1) We plan to do some extended cruising in just over a year so I am looking
into storm sail plans. I am very interested in any feedback from other
Passport owners in regard to what you have used for your storm sail setups.
In particular, are you happy with your current setup and if so why. If
not, what would you do differently now that you have some experience. I
have done lots of reading but most of it describes what you need to have as
far as a trysail and staysail/storm jib but I don't find much feedback from
actual users on how these setups have actually worked out or what they
would now do differently after using them. I have a tall mast sloop rigged
Passport 41 with removable inner stay and double reefed main. I was
planning on adding a storm staysail first, since it may get periodic use
while we are building up to our longer term cruising goals.
 
2) I am also interested in feedback on light-air sail options as well. I
have been looking at cruising code zeros and would love to hear what other
Passport owners have found to be workable light air sail plans given a crew
of two in a cruising situation.
 
Your thoughts and observations would be much appreciated.
 
Ross
Larry Rovin <lro...@crudenbaypartners.com>: Jul 26 09:11PM

If you already have the removable inner forestay then definitely get a staysail for it. Staysail and double reefed main works very well.
 
From: passpor...@googlegroups.com [mailto:passpor...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ross Hoag
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:33 PM
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Subject: [Passport] Passport 41 storm and light-air sail plan questions
 
I am the new owner of PEKINA (formerly Touché) a Passport 41.
 
I have been following this site since I started shopping for a Passport over a year ago. Thanks for all the great background and buying tips!
 
My sail plan questions:
 
1) We plan to do some extended cruising in just over a year so I am looking into storm sail plans. I am very interested in any feedback from other Passport owners in regard to what you have used for your storm sail setups. In particular, are you happy with your current setup and if so why. If not, what would you do differently now that you have some experience. I have done lots of reading but most of it describes what you need to have as far as a trysail and staysail/storm jib but I don't find much feedback from actual users on how these setups have actually worked out or what they would now do differently after using them. I have a tall mast sloop rigged Passport 41 with removable inner stay and double reefed main. I was planning on adding a storm staysail first, since it may get periodic use while we are building up to our longer term cruising goals.
 
2) I am also interested in feedback on light-air sail options as well. I have been looking at cruising code zeros and would love to hear what other Passport owners have found to be workable light air sail plans given a crew of two in a cruising situation.
 
Your thoughts and observations would be much appreciated.
 
Ross
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John Baudendistel <jo...@ets247.com>: Jul 26 03:33PM -0700

Hi Ross,
 
We have the p42 double ender by Stan Huntingford. Designed as a true cutter rig. We set it up with dual pro furler up front. Tested during the Costal Cup 2001. We had 40-45kts downhill to Catalina Isl. Uphill on our return from Mx we had 40/45 kts. For uphill we used a triple reeefed main and 2' of the stay sail out. Worked great.
 
Unless your crossing an ocean not certain the tri sail is needed for costal work.
 
I have a 180 asymmetric which works well for light stuff. I use an atn tracker and a French sock.
 
For dead down wind I use the full main and 130 Jenna with the pole out. Spin pole is mast mounted with a 6:1 car system.
 
Thanks
John Baudendistel
Dream Keeper
P 42.
 
 
 
 
Kenyon Stewart <ken...@sailoutbound.com>: Jul 26 04:10PM -0700

As others have said, an inner forestay for a staysail or even a solent stay
provide a good way to shorten sail in a hurry. A staysail will set far
better than an genoa rolled up to 80% and will bring the center of effort
in towards the center of the boat which also helps greatly. I plan on
getting a 110%-120% genoa that isn't quite as high cut as the one I
currently have for my working jib with the staysail for bigger breeze. For
light air, I am planning on a cruising code zero that sets on a removable
bowsprit with a Facnor furler. I have an Asymmetric spinnaker, but don't
foresee using it too much. If you search the Sailing Anarchy forums, there
is a pretty good thread where Evans Starzinger talks about how much they
use the code zero on Hawk since they got it. They actually don't use the
Asymmetric much anymore for downwind, they go wing and wing with the code
zero and genoa. This way, they don't have the main trying to round them up
and to decrease sail they can furl either sail quickly. Here's a good
article
<http://www.sailingtotem.com/2014/07/the-best-sails-for-downwind-cruising.html>
by a sailmaker who actually goes cruising.
 
I can't pass up an opportunity to abuse Johnny B, so I have to disagree
that the P42 is a "true cutter" just because his has an inner forestay
that's removable. It's a cutter rigged sloop which is just a sloop with an
inner stay or "cutter rig". A "true cutter" would have the mast further
forward with a much bigger main, a yankee out on a bowsprit and the
staysail is on the forestay where the jib is on a sloop. Like this...
 
 
 
 
 
John Baudendistel <jo...@ets247.com>: Jul 26 04:30PM -0700

Have to disagree Kenyon. The Bob Perry p40-43 were designed as a sloop. Albeit some may have been ordered with an inner stay. The p42 came stock as a cutter with a hull designed for the inner stay. The mast is further aft than on a p40. Bottom line the two boats were designed differently. The 42 is not a sloop with a pad eye added as an after thought. So let's call it a Cutter . Vs true.
 
I do like the new code zero which would make use easier. So Kenyon if I added the code zero on a sprit, would it then be a true cutter? Take care all!
 
Thanks
John Baudendistel
 
 
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Ross Hoag

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Jul 27, 2016, 4:01:23 PM7/27/16
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What material and weight did you go with on your Code Zero from China? Just wondering about the practical tradeoffs between weight, durability, and efficiency as there seems to be endless options out there. This will be a cruising setup for us...not for racing. 

Thanks,

Ross


On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:41:35 PM UTC-7, Robert Settle wrote:
I would strongly advise anyone towards a Code Zero. You'll never want to sail again without it. It is expensive though initially for the setup as you'll need a continuous line furling unit and either a bowsprit or tack fitting that clears the pulpit. The plus is the furling unit can easily attach to any other sail that is appropriate. I went with a Facnor as they have the longest track record with these but there are many highly rated others making them now.

I bought my Code Zero from China directly after confirming the curves and specs they produced prior to cutting cloth. After all -the China lofts build almost every US sailmakers sails now. I paid about half any US quotes. Same with my assym. I'd be hesitant though to buy a mainsail or my genoa from China. Just too fiddly with the draft and many other points where you'd want your sailmaker to make adjustments.

The Starzinger article is almost spot on. They -like me prefer not to run the diesel if at all possible. Why burn diesel when you can run an assym or code zero? That's why it's called sailing. I don't agree with them re. the assymmetrical as a hassle. I launch and douse it easily and prefer it over the main and headsail on a pole setup. I even run it at night within reason.
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