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Marty McOmber
Mar 17, 2015, 6:52:44 PM3/17/15
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Hello fellow passporters.
The work progresses on the repairs to the mast step area. But we've run into a snag and hope the collective wisdom can enlighten us. We've gotten all of the fasteners our of the mast collar on deck for our 1985 Passport 40. Here's the problems: the tie rod that connects the mast step to the deck above via the mast collar is stuck solid. It is disconnected down below from the mast step (that was easy), but it won't budge off the mast collar. --
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William Fastow
Mar 17, 2015, 7:02:07 PM3/17/15
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Is your mast deck stepped?
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Marty McOmber
Mar 17, 2015, 7:06:15 PM3/17/15
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Keel stepped.
Bob Peahl
Mar 17, 2015, 7:14:31 PM3/17/15
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I released ours using a pipe wrench below deck to break the bond.
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Bill Schmidt
Mar 17, 2015, 9:11:50 PM3/17/15
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Marty,
You know, it seems to me that the tie rod has all the properties of rod rigging...while it may last "for ever", if I were going to go through all the cost and anguish of rebuilding the mast step, whether the tie rod is frozen in place or not, I would replace it. Which reminds me. Maybe it's time to replace my 30 year old rod rigging.
Billy Manana
You know, it seems to me that the tie rod has all the properties of rod rigging...while it may last "for ever", if I were going to go through all the cost and anguish of rebuilding the mast step, whether the tie rod is frozen in place or not, I would replace it. Which reminds me. Maybe it's time to replace my 30 year old rod rigging.
Billy Manana
Marty McOmber
Mar 17, 2015, 9:17:40 PM3/17/15
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Thanks Billy. Oh, don’t worry, it is getting replaced one way or another. I’m with you on the 30 year rod rigging. I’m just look for the easiest way to get it out :) And right now, I’m sharpening my blade!
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John Baudendistel
Mar 17, 2015, 10:04:46 PM3/17/15
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Marty,
I've thought more about your tie. You could use a 4" die grinder like a Milwalkie. Put down some canvas in the bilge to catch most of the metal, cut it off in the bilge, saves the interior, then pull it out with the mast collar. Then deal with it off the boat. Vacuum bilge. Done. Just a thought.
John B
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Judith Perkins
Mar 20, 2015, 11:45:59 AM3/20/15
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Marty -
Let me tell you about the big problem Steve uncovered when he rebuilt our mast step in hopes you and others can avoid this/rebuild this. A hole was drilled through which wires from the mast are led to the junction boxes under the main salon settee. Unfortunately whatever flounder did this work put the wire hole LOWER than the drain hole for the mast!! Then they did not fiberglass the edges of the hole! Stupid. So by the time Steve got investigating it God knows how many years worth of water had drained through there and it had wicked into the plywood all around the hole and wrecked it. He had to cut out a large area of bulkhead with punky wood, rebuild it, redrill it, reglass it with special attention to the sides of the hole. Of course, it was untenable to drill the hole higher because there was just barely enough wire. ( I suppose he could have rewired the whole mast, but...) So anyway, if you have your mast out and are looking around in there, make sure this isn't happening to your precious vessel.
Judy Perkins
S/V the Gift
Ogunquit, Maine
Subject: Re: [Passport] Tie rod
From: mmco...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:46:42 -0400
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Let me tell you about the big problem Steve uncovered when he rebuilt our mast step in hopes you and others can avoid this/rebuild this. A hole was drilled through which wires from the mast are led to the junction boxes under the main salon settee. Unfortunately whatever flounder did this work put the wire hole LOWER than the drain hole for the mast!! Then they did not fiberglass the edges of the hole! Stupid. So by the time Steve got investigating it God knows how many years worth of water had drained through there and it had wicked into the plywood all around the hole and wrecked it. He had to cut out a large area of bulkhead with punky wood, rebuild it, redrill it, reglass it with special attention to the sides of the hole. Of course, it was untenable to drill the hole higher because there was just barely enough wire. ( I suppose he could have rewired the whole mast, but...) So anyway, if you have your mast out and are looking around in there, make sure this isn't happening to your precious vessel.
Judy Perkins
S/V the Gift
Ogunquit, Maine
Subject: Re: [Passport] Tie rod
From: mmco...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:46:42 -0400
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It prevents the deck around the mast from flexing.
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Marty -
What's its purpose?
Judy
Subject: Re: [Passport] Tie rod
From: mmco...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:06:31 -0700
To: mainiac...@msn.comThat is strange. Our's sure looked factor installed. attached properly to the original maststep. Sure it could be retro-fitted pretty easily if the mast collar is the same.
Sent from my iPadMarty -
No, it is keel=stepped. Steve rebuilt the mast step 2 yrs ago andno evidence of a tir rod. I'm mystified.
Judy
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Subject: Re: [Passport] Tie rod
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:12:12 -0700
To: mainiac...@msn.comDo you have a deck stepped mast? If so you probably don't need a tie rod.
Sent from my iPhoneHey, Marty -
Our 1987 P40 doesn't have one of these. Maybe previous owners cut it out?? Is it behind the wood of the mast closet? What is the purpose, anyway?
Judy Perkins
S/V the Gift
Ogunquit, Maine
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 15:52:23 -0700
Subject: [Passport] Tie rod
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Marty McOmber
Mar 20, 2015, 12:13:38 PM3/20/15
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Oh yeah, I can see that happening. We are far beyond that, I'm afraid, although it's only a few boat units worth of damage. In our case, the previous owner didn't fix a leak that was coming in from the spinnaker pole chock just ahead of the mast. Water leaked through the fasteners in the chalk and migrated aft toward the mast collar. That water cause the steel backing plate for the mast collar embedded in the deck to rust and swell. That caused leaking around the mast partners. The water that leaked down the mast over the years rotted out the athwartship stinger just behind the mast, which helps support the deck and bulkhead as well as the forward half of the shelf in under the settee where we have our water pump and other items mounted.
Still, these are such well-build boats, that the fix for the damage was just to cut out the rotten wood and stringers and then scab in and secure replacements.
Once this project is complete, I'll write up a piece for our website and post it to the Passport group for the archives.
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