Heads on a 473

[SWFLman]

I bought a 2002 473 a couple of months ago,  Its in pretty good shape but a few things need attention.  One issue I have is that I seem to continue to get back flow back into the heads.

In the aft manual head, I changed out the joker valve, but still get back flow into the head.  I try pumping about 10 more pumps after it is emptied, but still get nasty water back into the head.

In the forward electric head, I've replaced the joker valve, new hoses, y valve and vent hose.  When I'm dumping directly overboard it empties very quickly, but when dumping into the tank is takes a minute or so to empty.  And like the aft, if fills back up with water after a bit

I assume that since the holding tanks are above the heads, you will have some of that, but I'm just having a difficult time getting pleasant smelling heads..  I've cleaned both holding tanks with "digest-it" and used other odor nuetralizing items to no avail.

Any suggestions as to how I can get better smelling heads.

Thanks for everyone's input.

Steve

[Mohammad Bayegan]

Habe you checked your vents?

Marengo B 49

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[DAVID Fletcher]

Vent lines.

Fletch

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[Btbogdan46]

Back flow usually means the joker valve is not closing properly because of age and use and need to be replaced. Since you replace one, replace the other adn check the vent line, especially inside the vent fitting that attaches to the hull. My screen was clogged with stuff and I removed it from the hull and cleaned it out with water pressure from both sides of the vent.

[Jeff Taylor]

Beneteau uses vent that has a mesh screen in the vent.  you need to reach in there with the dental pick a small screwdriver or a coat hanger and rip of the mash so the toilet paper can't get stuck.

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Jeff Taylor

[Sailing]

You are using the wrong joker valve. Use Raritan C253. Red rubber

Joe Sircely

[Mark J Wilme]

Agree 100%

On Jun 25, 2017 7:46 PM, "'Sailing' via Beneteau Owners" <benetea...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

You are using the wrong joker valve. Use Raritan C253. Red rubber

Joe Sircely

On Jun 24, 2017, at 8:58 PM, SWFLman <steveh...@gmail.com> wrote:

I bought a 2002 473 a couple of months ago,  Its in pretty good shape but a few things need attention.  One issue I have is that I seem to continue to get back flow back into the heads.

In the aft manual head, I changed out the joker valve, but still get back flow into the head.  I try pumping about 10 more pumps after it is emptied, but still get nasty water back into the head.

In the forward electric head, I've replaced the joker valve, new hoses, y valve and vent hose.  When I'm dumping directly overboard it empties very quickly, but when dumping into the tank is takes a minute or so to empty.  And like the aft, if fills back up with water after a bit

I assume that since the holding tanks are above the heads, you will have some of that, but I'm just having a difficult time getting pleasant smelling heads..  I've cleaned both holding tanks with "digest-it" and used other odor nuetralizing items to no avail.

Any suggestions as to how I can get better smelling heads.

Thanks for everyone's input.

Steve

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[Mark Moskovitz]

Smelly heads are due to dirty hoses and such as well as from organic residuals from the raw intake order if you are using raw water to flush the heads, or when the heads are left with water in them for some period of time – weekend to weekend.  We had a 473 for well over ten years and always left the heads filled with fresh water from the boat tanks, as well as flushing the heads/hoses with fresh water ever now and then.  Gotta say, we had no odor problems.

 

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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Heads on a 473

 

I bought a 2002 473 a couple of months ago,  Its in pretty good shape but a few things need attention.  One issue I have is that I seem to continue to get back flow back into the heads.

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[Brian W]

Peggie Hall, also known as the "HeadMistress," knows all about heads, their history, smells, and their elimination. She participates in any number of blogs on the topic and is very good about responding to questions / issues. She's a good resource to have in your corner for tackling head issues.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 8:12 AM, 'Mark Moskovitz' via Beneteau Owners <benetea...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Smelly heads are due to dirty hoses and such as well as from organic residuals from the raw intake order if you are using raw water to flush the heads, or when the heads are left with water in them for some period of time – weekend to weekend.  We had a 473 for well over ten years and always left the heads filled with fresh water from the boat tanks, as well as flushing the heads/hoses with fresh water ever now and then.  Gotta say, we had no odor problems.

 

From: beneteau-owners@googlegroups.com [mailto:beneteau-owners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SWFLman
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:58 PM
To: Beneteau Owners <beneteau-owners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Heads on a 473

 

I bought a 2002 473 a couple of months ago,  Its in pretty good shape but a few things need attention.  One issue I have is that I seem to continue to get back flow back into the heads.

 

In the aft manual head, I changed out the joker valve, but still get back flow into the head.  I try pumping about 10 more pumps after it is emptied, but still get nasty water back into the head.

 

In the forward electric head, I've replaced the joker valve, new hoses, y valve and vent hose.  When I'm dumping directly overboard it empties very quickly, but when dumping into the tank is takes a minute or so to empty.  And like the aft, if fills back up with water after a bit

 

I assume that since the holding tanks are above the heads, you will have some of that, but I'm just having a difficult time getting pleasant smelling heads..  I've cleaned both holding tanks with "digest-it" and used other odor nuetralizing items to no avail.

 

Any suggestions as to how I can get better smelling heads.

 

Thanks for everyone's input.

 

Steve

 

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[Kidd, James]

I will agree with the fresh water comment below.

It makes a huge difference.

Salt water especially when sitting around, is putrid.

 

I now flush with fresh water, or at least do a fresh rinse..

 

 

 

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From: benetea...@googlegroups.com [mailto:benetea...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian W
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:21 AM
To: benetea...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {Beneteau Owners} Heads on a 473

 

Peggie Hall, also known as the "HeadMistress," knows all about heads, their history, smells, and their elimination. She participates in any number of blogs on the topic and is very good about responding to questions / issues. She's a good resource to have in your corner for tackling head issues.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 8:12 AM, 'Mark Moskovitz' via Beneteau Owners <benetea...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Smelly heads are due to dirty hoses and such as well as from organic residuals from the raw intake order if you are using raw water to flush the heads, or when the heads are left with water in them for some period of time – weekend to weekend.  We had a 473 for well over ten years and always left the heads filled with fresh water from the boat tanks, as well as flushing the heads/hoses with fresh water ever now and then.  Gotta say, we had no odor problems.

 

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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:58 PM
To: Beneteau Owners <benetea...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Heads on a 473

 

I bought a 2002 473 a couple of months ago,  Its in pretty good shape but a few things need attention.  One issue I have is that I seem to continue to get back flow back into the heads.

 

In the aft manual head, I changed out the joker valve, but still get back flow into the head.  I try pumping about 10 more pumps after it is emptied, but still get nasty water back into the head.

 

In the forward electric head, I've replaced the joker valve, new hoses, y valve and vent hose.  When I'm dumping directly overboard it empties very quickly, but when dumping into the tank is takes a minute or so to empty.  And like the aft, if fills back up with water after a bit

 

I assume that since the holding tanks are above the heads, you will have some of that, but I'm just having a difficult time getting pleasant smelling heads..  I've cleaned both holding tanks with "digest-it" and used other odor nuetralizing items to no avail.

 

Any suggestions as to how I can get better smelling heads.

 

Thanks for everyone's input.

 

Steve

 

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[Mark J Wilme]

I second the fresh water flush. Every time.   Also make sure the final flush before leaving the boat is enough water to fill all the pipe from the head to the tank.

On Jun 26, 2017 7:12 AM, "'Mark Moskovitz' via Beneteau Owners" <benetea...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Smelly heads are due to dirty hoses and such as well as from organic residuals from the raw intake order if you are using raw water to flush the heads, or when the heads are left with water in them for some period of time – weekend to weekend.  We had a 473 for well over ten years and always left the heads filled with fresh water from the boat tanks, as well as flushing the heads/hoses with fresh water ever now and then.  Gotta say, we had no odor problems.

 

From: beneteau-owners@googlegroups.com [mailto:beneteau-owners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SWFLman
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:58 PM
To: Beneteau Owners <beneteau-owners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Heads on a 473

 

I bought a 2002 473 a couple of months ago,  Its in pretty good shape but a few things need attention.  One issue I have is that I seem to continue to get back flow back into the heads.

 

In the aft manual head, I changed out the joker valve, but still get back flow into the head.  I try pumping about 10 more pumps after it is emptied, but still get nasty water back into the head.

 

In the forward electric head, I've replaced the joker valve, new hoses, y valve and vent hose.  When I'm dumping directly overboard it empties very quickly, but when dumping into the tank is takes a minute or so to empty.  And like the aft, if fills back up with water after a bit

 

I assume that since the holding tanks are above the heads, you will have some of that, but I'm just having a difficult time getting pleasant smelling heads..  I've cleaned both holding tanks with "digest-it" and used other odor nuetralizing items to no avail.

 

Any suggestions as to how I can get better smelling heads.

 

Thanks for everyone's input.

 

Steve

 

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We had a #1 and #2 head on Zydeco. Fwd head was #2 and it was a fresh water flush from our tanks. Aft, #1 using ambient water flush. In KW we employed the Head Honcho to remedy our aft head problems and after getting things apart he sent me to the swim step to chip out crud from 10 years of salty flushes. It was down to a dime size hole, totally encrusted with calcification. The fwd head was clean. 

With a water maker I would have fresh water flushes for both heads. 

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[SWFLman]

Thanks for everyone's suggestions........

On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 9:58:25 PM UTC-4, SWFLman wrote:

[RICHARD DAMICO]

Have your tried changing out the “Flapper” valve, located just under the pump handle?   This solved that problem for me.

Rick D’Amico

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B-38.1

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On Jul 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, SWFLman <steveh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for everyone's suggestions........

On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 9:58:25 PM UTC-4, SWFLman wrote:

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On Sun, 7/2/17, RICHARD DAMICO <rick-...@cox.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Heads on a 473
To: benetea...@googlegroups.com, "Rick" <rickd...@cox.net>
Date: Sunday, July 2, 2017, 8:34 PM

Have your
tried changing out the “Flapper” valve, located just
under the pump handle?   This solved that problem for
me.
Rick
D’Amico

“Airtime II"B-38.1San Diego

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