Bliss in the hills route update

[Chidambaran Subramanian]

This is the most likely final route for Bliss In The Hills. The elevation gain has reduced slightly ( as per ride with gps), but it will still be a little challenging

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/16701690

[Opendro]

So, finally, how many are riding? I heard that a lot of fake registrations happened.

[Chidambaran Subramanian]

18 at last count

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[Prashanth Chengi]

Fake registrations? What's that, Open? You mean people who registered and decided not to ride? Or spam registrations??

/Prashanth

[Opendro]

By fake, I meant, not genuine. Those who haven't paid up the registration fee. Of the 18 who have paid up, some might still not turn up for the ride. That is circumstantial.

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 12:28:08 PM UTC+5:30, Prashanth Chengi wrote:

Fake registrations? What's that, Open? You mean people who registered and decided not to ride? Or spam registrations??

/Prashanth

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Chidambaran Subramanian <chi...@gmail.com> wrote:

18 at last count

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Opendro <ope...@gmail.com> wrote:

So, finally, how many are riding? I heard that a lot of fake registrations happened.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:44:45 AM UTC+5:30, Chidambaran S( Chiddu) wrote:

This is the most likely final route for Bliss In The Hills. The elevation gain has reduced slightly ( as per ride with gps), but it will still be a little challenging

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/16701690

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[Chidambaran Subramanian]

Even I was a bit bemused by the 'fake registraton' phrase ;)

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[Opendro]

I never register until I decide to ride. If I decide to ride, I always pay up immediately if there is a mode of payment available.

May be the word "fake" is a bit offensive. But I think, its meaning is apt here. It simply means - the registration is not genuine, i.e. rider never intended to complete the registration formality.

[Prashanth Chengi]

Not everybody is Open :) I registered before my leave application and flight booking could go through, but after that, made my payment as quickly as I could, but that's because I'm traveling specifically to ride Bliss. Others might decide to register first and see if they can maybe get ready for it.  Also, many fence-sitters might be afraid of not being able to register at the last minute, even if they decide to go for it, so go ahead with the registration anyway, and hope to be able to psyche themselves to do it.  I also found the whole closing of registrations for brevet rides (not BITH, but other rides) very funny.  A brevet ride (again, not BITH or other super long rides) is supposed to be 100% self-supported, so the organizer does nothing extra for you the participant, except fill out your timesheet with name and checkpoint info, and that's something that can be done in 10 minutes. For my local BRMs, I do email the organizers beforehand, but technically, I can show up 30 minutes before the ride and still do it. I always pay on the day of the ride, and don't pay, if I don't ride. That's how it works here.

/Prashanth

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[Opendro]

That is a good point. One should just be able to turn up at the start line and pay and ride. It used to be that way initially.

Chidu, I think once you have the minimum required number/fund to organize the event, you should just open it to all on the spot. The additional fund will be useful for making the events better too.

About the fence-sitters, I cannot fault them because the system permits them to register without paying. Please just read the word "fake" just as a dictionary word that I thought fit in the situation. I didn't mean to rile anyone. Probably "incomplete" registrations could do well. Sorry guys.

[Chidambaran Subramanian]

I guess we can enable on the spot rides. The only issue is that the responses for the short distances can be huge and we might be underprepared. 

For a ride like BITH, I just want to make sure I get enough chances to brief the participants. It is not a ride for the faint hearted

(Not that it is extremely difficult, but you need a certain base)

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[Chidambaran Subramanian]

We provide mid point support in BITH, it is the only ride where we have supported somewhat (and I believe it is essential , withouth the Kalpetta support it might get too gruelling)

Chiddu

[Prashanth Chengi]

Totally agree with you, on the need for the mid point bag support, Chiddu. The 1000 that I did in Sweden actually had two bag drop points, where there was also dinner arranged. Made things a lot easier.  There, they actually enforced common starts, so fast riders would get to the stop point early and slow ones late, but everybody restarted at the same time in the morning. 

/Prashanth

[Opendro]

Yay!

About the difficulty, one just has to know what he/she is doing ;)

Elevation wise, it is a 1.2% gain overall. Just plan the Kalpetta and Avinashi control points meticulously. Everything else should fall in place.

[Chidambaran Subramanian]

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/16873307

The route. Please point out any errors. (Same as before except I have corrected dome errors) It comes to 1199.2 ( don't ask me how, ridewithgps figures) elevation 13700 odd

[Opendro]

I didn't know that you have changed the route from Madikeri to Virajpet. It is now via Siddapura. I already knew that you have chopped Periya.

The cue sheet still does not have the controls marked. I suppose, you will do it when you finally print it, specially Belur and Chundale.

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[Shreyas k]

Siddapura is name of village in Virajpet taluk :) 

[Prashanth Chengi]

Second the request for control point information in the cue sheet. Also, does anybody have a paid account on ridewithgps? Would be nice to have  gpx tracks with cues as waypoints. That's a premium feature, I believe.

/Prashanth

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[Opendro]

I think, you get the gpx tracks without payment. But you cannot download the track and map offline in the app unless you pay. The fee is nominal. $6 per month. But remember to cancel it once you are done. Otherwise, they will keep charging every month.

[Chidambaran Subramanian]

Yes  The Siddapura route is scenic, so instead of riding through the missing beauty of Periya at night you go through a route which you can enjoy during the day.

The changed section from last  year is Madikeri - Chettali - Siddapura - Virajpet - Iritty - Peravoor - Kotiyoor - Boys Town

Rest remains the same. Roads were good and hopefully will stay that way. And I think the route might be marginally easier than last year, but not too easy.

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[Sayi RamaKrishna]

I have two queries

1. What if alternate route is taken ? for eg, to take Chettali route from Madikeri, there are two ways as clearly seen in Map, and there are lot of chances that one may not take exactly as marked in. Is it allowed to take such alternate routes ?

2. What if a  ATM/Auto control is missed ? How much margin is allowed in places ?

[Opendro]

Brevet organizer is supposed to ensure that whenever there is a shorter way that could avoid the designated path, there is a control point which would prevent the mistake or deliberate deviation. Or that particular stretch should be manned. Beyond that, I think one is allowed to take an alternative if there is one, but not totally off the course. For instance, Chitradurga to main road had two ways. Hubli exit to Belgaum too had two ways I suppose.

However, note that the organizer is allowed to insert surprise control points when the event is going on. Unless it is just a small deviation that runs as alternative to the designated path, one is expected to stay on course.

About question 2), what did you mean by "miss", miss the control point altogether? That is not allowed. Missed by a small margin of cut-off time, you can petition the organizer with a valid reason which should be something beyond your control and something that is not normal. e.g. road blockage.

[Prashanth Chengi]

Here in Europe, there are often bike paths which run parallel to busier routes. A brevet participant has the right to choose to ride on the bike path, when the bike path and brevet course run parallel/close to each other. 

/Prashanth

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