Relative stuck in US needs to return to UK
T
urgently. Can anyone advise what options are now available? Are any UK
Government departments offering help or advice?
It may be that sea travel may be the only option. Apart from luxury liners
which are beyond our budget, is it possible to get passage on any other type
of ship? If the situation continues, will the UK Government arrange
anything or are we all on our own?
Does anyone know of any organisation that can offer advice in Chicago, if
this continues anytime, her money will be running out and she will need low
cost accommodation etc while she remains?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
OldGringo38
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Telephone General: (1)(312) 970 3800
They should be able to help and provide any information.
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She does have a return air ticket. The problem is that all UK airspace is
closed due to the ash from the volcano in Iceland which affects the engines
of jet aircraft. If anyone has a propeller aircraft they could make a lot of
money! As of now, there are no flights at all to the UK. She did mention
that this does not appear to be a big item on the US news, however a Russian
news channel suggested that this could go on for a year!
Aardvark
Wrong. The ash would affect all aircraft equally.
> As of now, there are no flights at all to the UK.
> She did mention that this does not appear to be a big item on the US
> news, however a Russian news channel suggested that this could go on for
> a year!
It wouldn't be the first time.
Rocky
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..How old is she and what does she look like?
Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:
It is looking quite bad for people who nee to return to Europe. There
have been a few light but, so far as I know. no trans Atlantic. A
friend of mine cannot get back to Chicago from the UK - exactly the
opposite journey to your relative.
We are now discovering that the type of eruption from below the ice
can last for years so trans Atlantic ships and beginning to look fast.
Steve
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> I have a relative now stranded in Chicago needing to return to the UK
> urgently. Can anyone advise what options are now available?
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>
>
Go ahead and make my day: LMAO
Whiskers
> I have a relative now stranded in Chicago needing to return to the UK
> urgently. Can anyone advise what options are now available? Are any UK
> Government departments offering help or advice?
>
> It may be that sea travel may be the only option. Apart from luxury liners
> which are beyond our budget, is it possible to get passage on any other type
> of ship? If the situation continues, will the UK Government arrange
> anything or are we all on our own?
I don't know of any UK government announcements about help with
accomodation or alternative travel arrangements. This is the site to go
to for the latest official stuff, I think
<http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_187244>.
I think it's up to the airlines to care for the passegers who've turned up
at the airport for a scheduled flight that is then delayed or cancelled -
and they might arrange alternative travel means eventually, if flights to
the original destination seem to be impossible indefinitely. Passengers
on tourist 'package deals' should be in touch with the tour arranger.
Eventually, if predictions are that no long-distance flights to Britain
will be possible 'anytime soon', the airlines and tour operators will
probably try to re-route people by flying them to southern Europe
(assuming the dust cloud doesn't spread there too) and using surface
transport from there. It's anybody's guess how long it will be before any
such arrangements are anounced - and such journeys will inevitably be much
longer than planned, and congested transport systems will mean long delays
for everyone. It is of course to be hoped that the dust cloud will 'go
away' before such arrangements have to be dreamed up.
> Does anyone know of any organisation that can offer advice in Chicago, if
> this continues anytime, her money will be running out and she will need low
> cost accommodation etc while she remains?
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
The airline or tour operator have to be the first point of contact; they
have a moral responsiblity even if not a legal one, to offer reasonable
care for their delayed passengers. Airport operators obviously have an
interest in caring for people who get stuck on their premises. Some
European airports have already deployed bunk-beds or camp-beds, and
doubtless 'soup kitchens' will turn up if things get bad enough.
Travel insurance might offer some financial help; that will depend on the
particular policy though.
Diplomatic missions may or may not be able to give much practical help;
British subjects can find information at
<http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Foreigntravel/IfThingsGoWrong/DG_4000027>
but don't expect too much, particularly while things can be expected to
get back to normal 'soon'.
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OldGringo38
T
Its an option, but one very long bus journey. Istanbul would be a bit
closer but probably fewer flights.
Mike the Brewer
the first place...then take it from there.
Rick
> "OldGringo38"<NoE...@ThisOldHouse.Con> wrote in message
> news:hqckr3$9rb$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> , In The Beginning God Created The Heavens And Earth, Then I Added My Two
>> Cents To The T Post:
>>> I have a relative now stranded in Chicago needing to return to the UK
>>> urgently. Can anyone advise what options are now available? Are any UK
>>> Government departments offering help or advice?
>>>
>>> It may be that sea travel may be the only option. Apart from luxury
>>> liners
>>> which are beyond our budget, is it possible to get passage on any other
>>> type
>>> of ship? If the situation continues, will the UK Government arrange
>>> anything or are we all on our own?
>>>
>>> this continues anytime, her money will be running out and she will need
>>> low
>>> cost accommodation etc while she remains?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>
>>>
>> Fly to Tel Aviv and take the bus home.
>>
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>
> Its an option, but one very long bus journey. Istanbul would be a bit
> closer but probably fewer flights.
>
>
Take the Orient Express if it is still running.
Rick
> I have a relative now stranded in Chicago needing to return to the UK
> urgently. Can anyone advise what options are now available? Are any UK
> Government departments offering help or advice?
>
> It may be that sea travel may be the only option. Apart from luxury liners
> which are beyond our budget, is it possible to get passage on any other type
> of ship? If the situation continues, will the UK Government arrange
> anything or are we all on our own?
Cruise ships have plenty of cheap rooms available at the last minute.
> Does anyone know of any organisation that can offer advice in Chicago, if
> this continues anytime, her money will be running out and she will need low
> cost accommodation etc while she remains?
If you have any govt or military connections, she might be able to sail
"space available".
Dr. Van Helsing
<snipped>
Why don't you offer the person a ride on your back? You can swim across
the Atlantic like the slat water crocodile that you are, put the person
on your back and swim back.
How hard would that be for you to switch your body and hold the shape
for the trip?
You got a nasty looking smile in your picture.
http://www.serioussilver.com/images/totempics1/crocodilian/1yacarecaiman.jpg
Peter Foldes
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"T" <spam...@spambouncer.org> wrote in message
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Whiskers
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:54:52 +0100, "T"
> <spam...@spambouncer.org>wrote:
[...]
>>She does have a return air ticket. The problem is that all UK airspace is
>>closed due to the ash from the volcano in Iceland which affects the engines
>>of jet aircraft. If anyone has a propeller aircraft they could make a lot of
>>money! As of now, there are no flights at all to the UK. She did mention
>>that this does not appear to be a big item on the US news, however a Russian
>>news channel suggested that this could go on for a year!
>>
>
> Well if all UK airspace is closed how is a prop plane doing any good?
> They fly in the same airspace and under the same regulations. Besides,
> most larger prop planes built after the 60's are turboprops meaning
> using a turboshaft jet engine. And few if any pilots of piston engine
> planes would venture into volcanic ash either regardless of airspace
> restrictions.
While the ash is high up, it isn't affecting short-hop local flights eg to
the off-islands, which never get as high as the ash-cloud is for now.
Those services typically use small aircraft such as the Britten-Norman
'Islander' which could have piston or turbo-prop engines. Flying all the
way under 1500 feet is apparently not an option for intercontinental
airliners, and the island-hoppers lack the range (and passenger capacity
of course).
Buffalo
Try the space shuttle and have it land in England. It doesn't use any
engines after it enters the atmosphere.
Buffalo
PS: Perhaps look at other places she could fly to and then take some other
type of transportation to get back to England.
Such is life.
G. Morgan
>
>She does have a return air ticket. The problem is that all UK airspace is
>closed due to the ash from the volcano in Iceland which affects the engines
>of jet aircraft. If anyone has a propeller aircraft they could make a lot of
>money! As of now, there are no flights at all to the UK. She did mention
>that this does not appear to be a big item on the US news, however a Russian
>news channel suggested that this could go on for a year!
Why can't she fly to somewhere else near the UK and take a train?
I have a hard time believing all air traffic is shut down in the UK. That would
be a front page news item. Cite please?
OldGringo38
http://www.eturbonews.com/15572/things-could-get-worse-while-europes-airspace-remain-shut-down
VanguardLH
If she is still a UK citizen, as you appear to claim, then she just needs to
wait until her travel visa expires. Then have her report herself to get
deported. If her visa or green card is still valid, well, then she CHOSE to
be there in the first place so maybe she escaped from you rather than your
claim that she is stranded. If she became a US citizen then she also CHOSE
to be there and is not the stranded UK citizen that you claim. Being a US
citizen means she gets to scramble for employment with the rest of them.
Hmm, Chicago. Maybe she could find a loan shark and then amscray to the UK.
I doubt the land sharks will follow but she'll have to be quick.
So only you would think the only way across the pond via cruiseliner would
be to be lazy and luxurious in riding the ship as a passenger. I suspect if
you have ever taken a cruise that conversing with the help was beneath your
dignity. Have her work her way across. Enlist as a member of the crew.
Of course, you could get a job to help pay her passage or airfare instead of
lazing around on your fat arse and collecting welfare. Get a 2nd job
shoveling fish guts at the docks or whatever you can find and screw your
pride.
Peter Foldes
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"VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:hqd453$2nq$1...@news.albasani.net...
Whiskers
Where do you get your news from?
<http://uk.ask.com/web?q=volcano+stops+air+travel&qsrc=121&o=0&l=dir&siteid
=&qid=9492ECA1817326BC84D084B19A2813DD&page=1&jss=0> or
<http://xrl.us/bhhgcf> for short.
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8626686.stm> <http://www.foxnews.com/>
<http://edition.cnn.com/> <http://www.nytimes.com/> ...
Aardvark
>> Its an option, but one very long bus journey. Istanbul would be a bit
>> closer but probably fewer flights.
>>
>>
>>
> Take the Orient Express if it is still running.
It sure is. Sixty hours from Istanbul to Paris.
Aardvark
> "T" <spam...@spambouncer.org> wrote:
>
>
>>She does have a return air ticket. The problem is that all UK airspace
>>is closed due to the ash from the volcano in Iceland which affects the
>>engines of jet aircraft. If anyone has a propeller aircraft they could
>>make a lot of money! As of now, there are no flights at all to the UK.
>>She did mention that this does not appear to be a big item on the US
>>news, however a Russian news channel suggested that this could go on for
>>a year!
>
> Why can't she fly to somewhere else near the UK and take a train?
>
Because all air traffic in the UK, Northern Europe, Scandinavia and
Western Russia has been grounded indefinitely.
> I have a hard time believing all air traffic is shut down in the UK.
Believe it.
> That would be a front page news item. Cite please?
You're kidding, right?
OldGringo38
> Everyone was getting along swimmingly in 24hoursupport.helpdesk on or
> about Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:28:29 +0100 when "T"
> <spam...@spambouncer.org> fucked everything up by saying:
>
>> I have a relative now stranded in Chicago needing to return to the UK
>> urgently. Can anyone advise what options are now available? Are any UK
>> Government departments offering help or advice?
>>
>> It may be that sea travel may be the only option. Apart from luxury liners
>> which are beyond our budget, is it possible to get passage on any other type
>> of ship? If the situation continues, will the UK Government arrange
>> anything or are we all on our own?
>>
>> Does anyone know of any organisation that can offer advice in Chicago, if
>> this continues anytime, her money will be running out and she will need low
>> cost accommodation etc while she remains?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>
> She'll just have to learn to speak the superior dialect of English and
> to drive on the correct side of the road.
>
LOL love it.
Stephen Wolstenholme
<rick0....@gmail.com.lessspam> wrote:
>If you have any govt or military connections, she might be able to sail
>"space available".
That wouldn't help and it's still risky. A F15 was very badly damaged
after flying through some of the ash.
Mike Yetto
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:43:51 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
>
>> "T" <spam...@spambouncer.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>She does have a return air ticket. The problem is that all UK airspace
>>>is closed due to the ash from the volcano in Iceland which affects the
>>>engines of jet aircraft. If anyone has a propeller aircraft they could
>>>make a lot of money! As of now, there are no flights at all to the UK.
>>>She did mention that this does not appear to be a big item on the US
>>>news, however a Russian news channel suggested that this could go on for
>>>a year!
>>
>> Why can't she fly to somewhere else near the UK and take a train?
>>
>
> Because all air traffic in the UK, Northern Europe, Scandinavia and
> Western Russia has been grounded indefinitely.
>
>> I have a hard time believing all air traffic is shut down in the UK.
>
> Believe it.
>
>> That would be a front page news item. Cite please?
>
> You're kidding, right?
>
I hope no one mentions the train strike in France.
Mike "it's just a little dust, bring a DustBuster(tm)" Yetto
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LOL DUH-ane, you're a total fruitcake. You *do* know that, don't you?
Lookout
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:43:15 -0400, Dr. Van Helsing wrote:
>
>> Aardvark wrote:
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>> Why don't you offer the person a ride on your back? You can swim across
>> the Atlantic like the slat water crocodile that you are, put the person
>> on your back and swim back.
>>
>> How hard would that be for you to switch your body and hold the shape
>> for the trip?
>>
>> You got a nasty looking smile in your picture.
>>
>> http://www.serioussilver.com/images/totempics1/
>> crocodilian/1yacarecaiman.jpg
>
> LOL DUH-ane, you're a total fruitcake. You *do* know that, don't you?
>
>
>
I know that you are a kook too, otherwise, you wouldn't be responding.
You have no sense anyway. So I am in good company with you.
Buffalo
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:19:20 -0400, Rick
> <rick0....@gmail.com.lessspam> wrote:
>
>> If you have any govt or military connections, she might be able to
>> sail "space available".
>
> That wouldn't help and it's still risky. A F15 was very badly damaged
> after flying through some of the ash.
>
> Steve
WTF did the A F15 pilot fly through it ?
Orders???
Buffalo
Lookout
There was a passenger jet that flew through volcanic ash at night. They
didn't see it. All four engines on the plane went out. The plane dropped
30K feet before they could get the engines started again.
Aardvark
If you were wondering why it's a good idea to ground all aircraft in the
presence of volcanic ash, why not ask any member of the Galunggung Gliding
Club, the flight to which you're referring:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9>
Lookout
wrote:
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You lose again.
Steve
spam...@spambouncer.org says...
>
<snip
>
> Its an option, but one very long bus journey. Istanbul would be a bit
> closer but probably fewer flights.
John Cleese took a cab.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b176917
_john_cleese_vs_volcano_wins_ort_of.html
s
G. Morgan
>> That would be a front page news item. Cite please?
>
>You're kidding, right?
Lol.... I have not watched or read the news (or been near a computer) for 4
days. I guess I should have looked first. :)
Aardvark
"Look before you leap." :-)
philo
> I have a relative now stranded in Chicago needing to return to the UK
> urgently. Can anyone advise what options are now available? Are any UK
> Government departments offering help or advice?
>
> It may be that sea travel may be the only option. Apart from luxury liners
> which are beyond our budget, is it possible to get passage on any other type
> of ship? If the situation continues, will the UK Government arrange
> anything or are we all on our own?
>
> Does anyone know of any organisation that can offer advice in Chicago, if
> this continues anytime, her money will be running out and she will need low
> cost accommodation etc while she remains?
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>
>
flights will be cleared tomorrow
to book a ship would take about ten days to get there
Tony Davison
> I have a relative now stranded in Chicago needing to return to the UK
> urgently. Can anyone advise what options are now available? Are any UK
> Government departments offering help or advice?
>
> It may be that sea travel may be the only option. Apart from luxury
> liners which are beyond our budget, is it possible to get passage on any
> other type of ship? If the situation continues, will the UK Government
> arrange anything or are we all on our own?
>
> Does anyone know of any organisation that can offer advice in Chicago,
> if this continues anytime, her money will be running out and she will
> need low cost accommodation etc while she remains?
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
Airspace is open in southern europe, Spain etc.
Fly there and find some road/rail transport to the channel coast then a
ferry to UK.
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