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This two chips are only simple EPROM.In an EPROM you can store Software like Jiffy-DOS. :-)
Maverick is good, but you need to know it using right ...
With SC+ and a rotary speed knob you are able top copy nearly all disks (with the right software).
But it is much easier to do ot with a device like Cryo Flux (there are some on market).
> any way I can get or try out your device?It's not mine.Fardware is made by Tommy-NRW from Forum-64.
And it is under development.I don't know when it is available.
With SC+ and a rotary speed knob you are able top copy nearly all disks (with the right software).that won't work on any of these disks. the problem isn't speed, it's that the track is non-standard,the gcr headers are all wonky and in the wrong place.None of the copiers work because they expect track headers to be in the correct location,
and at least make some semblance of sense. these are neither.
Index hole synchronization won't work either because they didn't index off the hole when the mfg created the disk.So while you can image the entire disk with say super card pro, you have to manually "rotate" the disk imageuntil the track aligns properly.that's a whole barrel of no fun.
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I am not sure if this is the right forum for the discussion, but given that no moderator has stepped in, I will give my perspective.
Given the low-ish volume of content in the discussion in general
and that all of us in here tend to span our interests over
hardware and software, and the archival aspect of the current
discussion, I'm not passing judgement. I do think, if the
conversation delves into minute details on the board or OpenCBM,
it should probably move to a separate HW discussion area (board
technical details) or the opencbm mailing list (for OpenCBM
detailed discussion).
Jim
You cannot copy everything with a C64 based nibbler without extra hardware.
The problem is the fixed clock of 1541 drive (four fixed clock variants only).
Depending on the rotary speed the length of the track varies and that is the point.While reading a track clock is synchronized by flux changes (variable clock).While writing a track you can only choose one of 4 fixed clock for shift register.You need a software which counts the number of bytes on each track.The copy disk should have same track lenght after writing track.
If track length is less than original (track is too big) you must slow down the rotary speed.
If track length is too larges you can make a trick with more SYNC Bytes.But some protection counts the number of SYNC Bytes also, so ...... only secure methode is to vary the rotary speed.
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Spirothat wasn't to Tommy.it was to the other person that dropped into the middle of the convo.Tommy is great! no probs therethe other guy, not so much.
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Pontus, nah I'm just upset your last name isn't "Pilot" (maybe you've heard that joke, it's not very good)
I hope Sprio/Jim find the S3 code for zoomfloppy, technology will advance.and I hope Tommy and the other guy get their solution going,Plus some other solutions coming, hopefully this year.eventually we'll have an "all in one" solution. at least I hope :)
No pun intended but that one few over my head ... ;-)
As per your understanding of KryoFlux (which you already ruled out as not cutting it) and Super Card Pro (which you praised) - the fact that none of them seemingly doesn't pull the job of at present time, is that software or is the hardware also not enough for the job? Would you say that the format(s) used can be represented inside the specs of the G64 format or don't we have any save format that can even handle it's seemingly extra terrestrially complex format ...
Alex (as per previous discussion) did crack it on native hardware, but I wouldn't mind having a look at it once I have concluded the present project. But for that I guess I need a working G64 or some other format that the emulators can eat.
One hope might also be Luigi. He is working on reading and analyzing disk on Flux level. His blog is quite readable.
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I'll send you off-list, maybe you can help explain the protection and we can figure out how to make a copy/image.
it's so annoying that nothing will touch this stuff, parameter disks don't work, very aggravating
I'll send you off-list, maybe you can help explain the protection and we can figure out how to make a copy/image.it's so annoying that nothing will touch this stuff, parameter disks don't work, very aggravatingParameter disk and cracking is the same, with the exception that a parameter disk sets no intro on the main file. The copy is different than the original as some one cracked the original and made the patches needed into a parameter.
I'll send you off-list, maybe you can help explain the protection and we can figure out how to make a copy/image.
it's so annoying that nothing will touch this stuff, parameter disks don't work, very aggravating
Parameter disk and cracking is the same, with the exception that a parameter disk sets no intro on the main file. The copy is different than the original as some one cracked the original and made the patches needed into a parameter.
Using a crack and using a parameter disk is much the same - although a cracked version already has the fix applied, and a parameter is something you have to apply using a tool like Maverick.cracking a game is MUCH harder than just using a parameter disk, the actual cracking is incredibly difficult and complicated,you have to figure out what the protection is, how it works, and how to create a work-around for it, then apply changes, and ensure that they work.
I think Pontus is being misunderstood. I believe he's stating that a parm copy and a crack end up being the same, in that the copy protection is bypassed, but the crack typically has an intro. The parm disk is just the end result of someone's previous hard work of figuring out "what the protection is, how it works, and how to create a work-around for it, then apply changes, and ensure that they work"condensed into a set of pokes and writes to disk to perform those actions already known to work.
But at this point, I'm with Spiro - this needs to move to its own discussion thread.
I'd concur, though Pontus should be allowed a final response, as
I think he's more knowledgeable about cracking and such than it
may at first appear.
Most of regular users like yourself have to be content with watching these groups release software.
I think Pontus is being misunderstood. I believe he's stating that a parm copy and a crack end up being the same, in that the copy protection is bypassed, but the crack typically has an intro. The parm disk is just the end result of someone's previous hard work of figuring out "what the protection is, how it works, and how to create a work-around for it, then apply changes, and ensure that they work"condensed into a set of pokes and writes to disk to perform those actions already known to work.
But at this point, I'm with Spiro - this needs to move to its own discussion thread.I'd concur, though Pontus should be allowed a final response, as I think he's more knowledgeable about cracking and such than it may at first appear.
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As per your understanding of KryoFlux (which you already ruled out as not cutting it) and Super Card Pro (which you praised) - the fact that none of them seemingly pulls the job of at present time, is that software or is the hardware also not enough for the job? Would you say that the format(s) used can be represented inside the specs of the G64 format or don't we have any save format that can even handle it's seemingly extra terrestrially complex format ...
well this is exactly what a FLUX image is for, really. But they don't work with emulators or debuggers at all.the information is possible to store in a g64, that's not the issue.
it's that for whatever reason, a lowly word processor for the c64 uses the most difficult copy protections ever devised.And it's precisely because it's a word processor none of the big name hackers have gone after it.If it had been a block-buster game, it'd be a whole other story, we'd have it done long ago.
Alex (as per previous discussion) did crack it on native hardware, but I wouldn't mind having a look at it once I have concluded the present project. But for that I guess I need a working G64 or some other format that the emulators can eat.Correction: He cracked one SPECIFIC version of it. that's quite different from cracking it all together,as mentioned, it uses different protections on almost every version and even different on the same version.
One hope might also be Luigi. He is working on reading and analyzing disk on Flux level. His blog is quite readable.I'll definitely check that out. Flux is a whole other level of understanding of magnetic media.And note to Spiro if he's watching: Pontus is the one that I think would benefit from a review of those two books,to help give him a better understanding of all this stuff.
Wasn't there a book on copy protections? If not, someone should start a kickstarter...
But what is the issue? If the G64 format WOULD be able to support it, it's either that the hardware isn't capable of reading, that the software processing the stream is flawed or that the converter to G64 is flawed. Any idea which it is?
I don't understand what you say here. If Alex cracked one version he cracked it. You don't have to crack every possible permutation of the protection if it to have cracked it. What's the definition of cracking if it's not making a working version where the protection is gone, from the version at hand?
CSDb lists six version - one even by Steve Punter. (though only Alex's, Scratch's and Steve's versions are downloadable - the other's a claimed crack). The others listed are for sure amongst the ones who should be able to pull it off.
One hope might also be Luigi. He is working on reading and analyzing disk on Flux level. His blog is quite readable.
I have only cracked some 250+ games (including Pira Slayer boot on native hardware), and would say I know my way around the lame 2Kb of 1541 RAM. But the way I do it I tend to see the flux layer as a black box. I only need to be able to interface it and extract the data. Not actually understand how the flux layer works.
Something for your collection (taken a few minutes ago)Nowadays I tend to use a PDF [1] as searching in it is so much easier. I have the other book as well.Wasn't there a book on copy protections? If not, someone should start a kickstarter...There has been several. And you also have https://c64preservation.com/ - especially the documentation over Rapidlok is quite useful.
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