Update

[Simon Haynes]

I know I've been quiet lately, but I wrote one lengthy novel in October and am more than halfway through a second. Writing at this pace leaves little time for anything else.

I just wanted to post because Microsoft has now released .Net 5 to the public and developers.

(.Net is the programming architecture yWriter is written on)

Right now, I make all changes to yWriter7 first, and once they're stable I back-port them to yWriter 5 and 6, ensuring all three versions of the program are functionally identical.

My plan is to use yWriter8 for my own projects from this point on, and make all my programming changes to that version of the program. From time to time I'll backport stable changes to yWriter7, 6 and 5.

The only difference to users is that yWriter7 won't have random features added, followed by lots of bug fixes and beta releases. That sort of development will occur in yWriter 8 instead, and these new features will only appear in yWriter7/6/5 when they're stabilised.

I'm not suggesting anyone else use yWriter8, but obviously you're welcome to. There's no advantage over yWriter7/6/5, and in fact there's a disadvantage for some: I discovered that the text-to-speech (read aloud) is no longer available in .net 5, having been moved to the dreaded cloud AND with a fee for use.

(I'm experimenting with writing a dotnet 4 addon containing the speech processing functions, which is a way around this issue.)

In summary, yWriter8 will become the cutting-edge version, instead of yWriter7.

(I'm not planning a YW8 project format.)

Looking to the future, I'm hoping beyond hope that Microsoft releases some kind of unified User Interface for .Net 5 which also runs on Linux and Mac (and Android and IOS), which would mean one download and one version of yWriter8 for everything. Nirvana.

Cheers

Simon Haynes

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[Henry Boleszny]

Hope all your plans work out and thanks for the update.

 

Henry

 

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[Simon Haynes]

Just hit the first snag - events aren't firing properly in dotnet 5, so the Find doesn't work and none of the lists update.

Straight back to yWriter 7 for me, and I'll give it a couple of months to let other people beta-test their 'stable' release. (It's bad enough when it's my code, but when the programming language doesn't work it's a nightmare.)

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[Wayne Connolly]

That is a terrific achievement Simon! (both the novels and the .net upgrade). Thankyou for continually supporting this software! It's really respected here!

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[slery...@gmail.com]

Thanks so much for all of your hard work. It is very much appreciated, and your attention to fixing accessibility issues is top notch. I recommend to yWriter to all of my blind and sighted writer friends.

 

Cindy

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[Simon Haynes]

Thanks, I appreciate that.

yWriter started out as a selfish project (something to help me untangle my first novel), but once I released it to the public it helped to improve the software for everyone.

Cheers

Simon

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[Dave Richardson]

As a newly arrived convert to yWriter using the yWriter7 Beta version, I must say I dealy love how it works and how it helps with the writing workflow. Being able to create new Items and Characters on the fly and add them to the appropriate areas without breaking the writing workflow is a great freedom to have.

Unfortunately, as a longtime Linux user I find myself grinding my teeth when having to take that horrible giant step back to Micro$haft Windoze, and have to wonder if, as a fellow .Net (mostly C#)  programmer that is new to writing (except for a few project technical documents,) is there any way you would accept a certain level of cooperation in porting the yWriter7 code into something that would be close to feature complete under Linux (or at least Wine.) I have been programming since '73, so it is not a new area for me and I can generally avoid the worst beginner mistakes.

Dave

[Simon Haynes]

Hi

yWriter was first written in VB6 about 20 years ago, then converted to VB2008, and from then through various versions to where it is now. Mostly still VB - I do write in C# but VB is much quicker and more reliable for me (30 years practice and experience.)

I'm just waiting for Maui and then I'll convert the whole UI to that, once the dust has settled, which should give me native Win/Mac/IOS/Android versions from the one codebase.  Right now the UI is distinct for mac/win/portable but the underpinnings are the same. (all code in DLLs)

I'm also waiting to see when Maui for Linux is coming. It has to be on the radar, but that will be the last missing piece of the puzzle.

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[Todd Carnes]

I was really excited about MAUI at first. Unfortunately, the last I heard, Linux support was being "left up to the community". (Translation: Once more Microsoft is giving the Linux community the middle finger.)

There is a fork of MAUI that is intended to add support for Linux here, but we'll have to wait and see if Microsoft actually allows them to be pulled into the main codebase or not.

I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for it to happen though. Microsoft doesn't mind accepting contributions from the open source community to fix their bugs, but they never want to give anything back.

I think they have no intention to support Linux. They're making vague promises they have no intention of actually keeping just to get people to continue contributing bug fixes for them.

Todd

[Simon Haynes]

I'll have enough work to do converting the entire UI to maui.  We'll see what eventuates later re Linux.

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[Todd Carnes]

I have been looking at Avalonia lately. It has full support for Windows, Mac & Linux (X11). Support for Android and iOS is expected soon as well.

Todd

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[Dave Richardson]

Thanks to having been around and programming almost as long as Bill Gates, I also have nothing but cynicism for anything Micro$haft promises - they have earned that and a great deal of hatred from the Linux community.  Their current attempts to coopt us have repeatedly proven to be nothing but gaslighting, and it truly made me angry when they went back to their worst tactics and bought up the Mono people to get rid of the competition. This is why I made the offer I did, hoping that one day I might have a truly great writing tool that works properly under a real operating system. I suppose I will have to see about working on fixing other writing tools.

The really sad part is that a lot of the current yWriter 7 Beta works well under Mono.

Dave