Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[paul bennett]

My 12-year old Vantage Pro 2 got destroyed by hail recently, so the insurance company bought me a new one. I now have the updated Davis 6313 console that connects via WiFi.  Unfortunately, I don't see how to interface the new console to weewx. The old console had the USB logger, which worked fine.

I tried changing the interface type from "serial" to "ethernet" in weewx.conf, but it complains it can't connect to port 22222. Which is no doubt true.

Is it just a different port, or is it something far worse?

Thanks,

-paul bennett-

[vince]

Did you set the ip address of the console ?  Lets see your driver stanza.

You might ask on wxforum.net in the Davis forum there.  My hazy reading in the past about the new console makes me wonder if it's even possible with the new Console/logger product.

[John Kline]

I was going to say you need to buy the older console (or the cheaper envoy) and another USB data logger; but don’t you still have your console and data logger from your old VP2?  You can have more than one console listening to your VP2.

On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:40 PM, vince <vince...@gmail.com> wrote:

Did you set the ip address of the console ?  Lets see your driver stanza.

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[paul bennett]

Yes, still have old console, still works fine, but it's only a matter of time. I'm pretty sure the new console has a completely new API (if it has one at all) that in no way resembles the WeatherlinkIP interface.  I got a bad feeling about this...

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[paul bennett]

Thanks, Vince.

Indeed, WXForum agrees that the new 6313 console has no provision for a 3rd party API, either through the WiFi or the USB interface.  I wonder how long my old console will hold up...

[vince]

I believe there are some posts suggesting the old console as the primary one and the new one as a secondary works well if you can leverage your old console and logger. You might want to give that a try.

[John Kline]

Davis still sells the old console and logger.

Vince, I’m not sure what primary and secondary means.  They are all independent of one another.

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I believe there are some posts suggesting the old console as the primary one and the new one as a secondary works well if you can leverage your old console and logger. You might want to give that a try.

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[vince]

Secondary might be poorly worded.  I think somebody suggested on wxforum.net the folks with old consoles could still talk to new sensors via their old dataloggers as always, and 'also' set up the new 6313 gateway/console to listen to the sensor's channel and feed Davis etc. if so inclined.  So you could get the new console with data that way while still running the old console we're all familiar with.

I also noted in the manual a bit back that the new console lasts under a day through a power outage, while the old consoles last many days.   Manual is at (here) and the wxforum.net Davis group has lots of discussion about the new console.  Doesn't seem like too many people are happy so far.

[Bob Rose]

I am in the same boat. I dropped a note to Davis support, and they confirmed that there is no local data available on the 6313. To get you data back you will need to purchase it back from Davis.

[Greg from Oz]

Looks like I won't be buying one of those!

That is nearly as bad as paying subscription to use software.

[John Kline]

Previously, one had to spend an extra $225 for the USB data logger.  Now, one has to buy an Envoy ($235) and the USB data logger.

I suppose the worry is that Davis will stop selling the previous console and the envoy.

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[Greg from Oz]

I have been using a USB fineoffset device for over 10 years and it works OK for what I am doing, but the newer ones don't have the USB port on the console anymore.

https://weather.ubeaut.work/

[Tom Keffer]

The general message is that the hardware manufacturers want to own your data. It's getting harder and harder to gain access to it. 

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[Greg from Oz]

It will get to the stage where we will have to build our own hardware.

Maybe we could build a weewx weather station and sell them? Don't ask me though I can't solder to save my life.

[Graham Eddy]

have a look at LoRaWAN (and run your own Network Server, several are available to install). their whole point in open communications to sensors (mqtt). the price points are higher than Ecowitt, but nowhere near as expensive as Davis

⊣GE⊢

[vince]

rtl_davis driver can help somewhat at a higher complexity level FWIW

[Colin Larsen]

Strangely enough I just replaced all my DIY hardware (weatherduino) with an Ecowitt setup and it's excellent for the money

Colin

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 14:35, vince <vince...@gmail.com> wrote:

rtl_davis driver can help somewhat at a higher complexity level FWIW

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[Bob Rose]

I have been using the Ecowitt on my home weather station going on three years now. I can not say anything bad about it. The Davis 6313 I am dealing with is for an organization I belong to. It replaced the failing VP2. They are really bummed that they spent so much money for something that does not have accessible archives. I have even thought about sneaking an Ecowitt system out there and telling them “I got it working”. 

[Graham Eddy]

swap vantage to ecowitt and you lose the data logger (stored in local hardware) → one day you lose critical data

ecowitt already have a ‘regularly call home' to china built in that adds no value to customer, only a dependency on ecowitt company. if ecowitt turn off their ‘ok’ response, everyone’s stations will reboot continually. i expect them to introduce paid-only access - but they are clever not to restrict the data but to disable the devices. (you might want to be wary of accepting their firmware upgrades in future, for existing devices.)

it is like the printer market - they flog you a printer really cheap but 'charge like a wounded bull' for the ink. ditto future weather stations: cheap hardware, but lock you into constant revenue stream for service. as the weather station vendors try to lock down into paid-only services, i plan to migrate to open lorawan devices (because i want COTS or public domain products rather than build my own - more effective use of my time)

but i do like my current setup, with vantage providing core weather data and ecowitt lots of other inexpensive nearby sensors augmenting it, plus lorawan for some more distant and more complex sensors than ecowitt provides. 

⊣GE⊢

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[gary....@gmail.com]

I have had good luck with the Davis WLL, though it is not my data source for my primary weewx instance. I use it to feed my in home tablet displays.

I have run a SDR setup in the past and while it is NOT the easiest to configure, it did work well once all the pieces were in place. I did need to get a separate device (BMP380) to provide the barometer though. If you run on a Pi, no problem doing that. I run off a PC with Proxmox, so I had to add the Pi to have barometer.

If I were the OP, I'd get the additional hardware to do SDR.

Ecowitt may be cheaper, but it certainly isn't a Davis.

[michael.k...@gmx.at]

Certainly an interesting spin-off discussion: developing a platform to ensure our data will remain our data. A first approach could be designing a console. Many stations out there, modular or not, use wireless sensors that only transmit their readings unencrypted and simplex. It should be possible to design a console that receives the popular sensors out there and provides data on the (W)LAN they are connected to. An internal storage with a REST interface for data access and a GUI for maintaining settings and there you go. The idea isn't new, doesn't sound too complicated but would be a long way to go, if the goal is to provide something that deserves the label "product". Anyway, I'd be on board. :D 

[Philip Gladstone]

I just got the new 6313 console, and it does respond on port 22222 and seems to return the same data that my Envoy did. Additionally, you can go to http://<console ip>/loop.json to get the current values. 

Philip

[rose0...@gmail.com]

This is indeed good news. I will check the one we have. Is there a build/ version?

Bob

On Dec 11, 2023, at 6:06 PM, Philip Gladstone <philip.j.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just got the new 6313 console, and it does respond on port 22222 and seems to return the same data that my Envoy did. Additionally, you can go to http://<console ip>/loop.json to get the current values. 

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[Philip Gladstone]

I'm running console firmware 1.3.19 and operating system 1.2.11. The WifiLogger2 firmware is 2.43

There are a bunch of options on http://<ip>/system.html -- this is my configuration. I guess that this could be controlled by the 'TCP Port' option.  The 'Extra links' reveals a bunch of interesting endpoints.

[rose0...@gmail.com]

Thanks,

I am not getting any of that. Pretty much no response from the console on its IP address.  I do have to visit the site tomorrow and will look to see what software/firmware it is running.

Thanks.

Bob

 

From: weewx...@googlegroups.com <weewx...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Philip Gladstone
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Subject: Re: [weewx-user] Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

 

I'm running console firmware 1.3.19 and operating system 1.2.11. The WifiLogger2 firmware is 2.43

 

There are a bunch of options on http://<ip>/system.html -- this is my configuration. I guess that this could be controlled by the 'TCP Port' option.  The 'Extra links' reveals a bunch of interesting endpoints.

 

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[Nate Bargmann]

Phillip,

I posted a link to this thread in the long running 6313 thread at wxforum.net:

https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=45032.msg467226#msg467226

There is thought among those that replied that you're actually connecting to the 

WiFi Logger rather than the 6313 (I don't know as I have neither, just a plain old

6312 console).  Perhaps you can reply there and help resolve the confusion.

- Nate

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2023 11 Dec 20:44 -0600, rose0...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> I am not getting any of that. Pretty much no response from the console
> on its IP address. I do have to visit the site tomorrow and will look
> to see what software/firmware it is running.

Perhaps run an nmap scan against the console for any interesting ports
that are open? Something like:

sudo nmap -p 1-65535 -Pn <6313 IP address>

- Nate

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[rose0...@gmail.com]

Nate, That a good idea. So:
Starting Nmap 7.80 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2023-12-13 08:48 MST
Nmap scan report for 10.10.48.50
Host is up (0.0098s latency).
All 65535 scanned ports on 10.10.48.50 are closed
☹
I will be following the other thread as well. I really am against paying for our own data.
Bob

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[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2023 13 Dec 09:53 -0600, rose0...@gmail.com wrote:
> Nate, That a good idea. So:
> Starting Nmap 7.80 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2023-12-13 08:48 MST
> Nmap scan report for 10.10.48.50
> Host is up (0.0098s latency).
> All 65535 scanned ports on 10.10.48.50 are closed

Typically, if there were a port open this scan would have shown it.
There are other command line options for a deeper probing scan but in
this case I think they're unnecessary. I'm far from an nmap expert, I
just use it from time to time to check things on my LAN or to make sure
my router firewall is blocking what I think it is.

> I will be following the other thread as well. I really am against paying for our own data.

I agree, Bob. I willingly upload to Wunderground because I also derive
a bit of value from their site. That is the only commercial entity I
upload to. Otherwise I upload to CWOP via the APRS network and that
goes to MADIS where other sites such as Mesowest and PWS weather pick it
up. I'm also fine with that as I also derive some value from their
respective presentations of that data.

That said, where Davis is going with the 6313 is not for me either.
Even though I bought their software way back in 2015, which I never
used, only to get their flaky logger (later replaced by one I bought
from Australia (I think, as I've lost the contact info) that is a solid
performer), I never signed up for an account on their site. WeeWX has
gathered that data since Day One.

[Nigel Bennett]

There is currently NO local access API to the new LCD touchscreen (6313) console.  You would have to read back data from weatherlink.com  

The screenshot from Philip is from a WiFiLogger2, a third party logger that fits in the old Davis  consoles and among other functions can emulate the Davis IP logger. ( http://wifilogger.net )

If you want/need local access to data from a Davis weather station (either VP2 or Vue) then the only option using current hardware is to use the Davis WeatherLink Live (6100) and use the API on that to get JSON formatted data.  Several WeeWx drivers have been written for this. See the second post in this thread.