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[Dave Ungar]

While the charge seems rather petty to pursue, the pedantic side of me asks, regarding:  "Section VII(G) of the CAC Election Rules states: "No person shall engage in any campaigning within 100 feet of the entrance of the building used by voters at the polling place during the time of the election the poll is open on Election Day.""

... Or what?  What remedy is written in the bylaws of the CAC?

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Controversy over CAC election for our district

Jeff Frontz <jeff....@gmail.com>: Sep 30 11:07AM -0400 In case folks haven't been following along on facebook or via the CAC meeting notes, the CAC plans this week to "discuss and vote whether to sustain the District 3 Election complaint and vacate August 2025 election results."   For details, you might want to read the CAC election committee's report at the bottom of https://www.clintonvilleareacommission.org/september-4-2025-cac-agenda/   If you have a chance to read things over and form an opinion (even if you didn't actually vote in the election), please be sure to share it with Donna Leigh-Osborn (or current/outgoingCAC rep) at Donna...@me.com   Thanks, Jeff   P.S . My take is that the election committee erred in not properly posting the boundaries for the polling location, Will made an honest mistake because of this, Will immediately complied when told, and Will's offer to cede the potentially affected number of votes is way beyond sufficient resolution. Given that even the resulting count for Will would be on the order of 2 times the next vote-getter, it seems inappropriate to nullify the election.

Donna Leigh-Osborne <donna...@me.com>: Sep 30 11:12AM -0400 Hello Neighbors-   Please text or email comments prior to the next CAC meeting, or plan to attend the next meeting Thursday evening, 7pm, at the library.   Donna Leigh-Osborne   CAC D3 Commisdioner   614-783-6999   Sent from my iPhone   On Sep 30, 2025, at 11:08 AM, Jeff Frontz <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote:      In case folks haven't been following along on facebook or via the CAC meeting notes, the CAC plans this week to "discuss and vote whether to sustain the District 3 Election complaint and vacate August 2025 election results."   For details, you might want to read the CAC election committee's report at the bottom of https://www.clintonvilleareacommission.org/september-4-2025-cac-agenda/   If you have a chance to read things over and form an opinion (even if you didn't actually vote in the election), please be sure to share it with Donna Leigh-Osborn (or current/outgoingCAC rep) at Donna...@me.com   Thanks,   Jeff   PS . My take is that the election committee erred in not properly posting the boundaries for the polling location, Will made an honest mistake because of this, Will immediately complied when told, and Will's offer to cede the potentially affected number of votes is way beyond sufficient resolution. Given that even the resulting count for Will would be on the order of 2 times the next vote-getter, it seems inappropriate to nullify the election.   --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To post to this group, send email to walhall...@googlegroups.com   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com   To read old messages, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine/topics?hl=en   For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine?hl=en   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/walhalla-ravine/CAGvwsDmKW22520Q1fL07syyyLKUYzu%3DLUXeshmdNE327PTRn3Q%40mail.gmail.com.

Mary Jo Kilroy <mjki...@gmail.com>: Sep 30 11:46AM -0400 Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Jeff. I will also post it to the Midgard-Woodbine group. I also read the report and saw no intentional violation of the rules by Will Klatt, but did see a failure by the elections committee to post flags, or cones, or a chalk line to indicate the area candidates should avoid. As you noted, Will complied with the directive to move farther away. Will won the election by an overwhelming majority. It would be an injustice to Will and to the voters if the election was overturned. The election committee's report should be upheld. Here are the emails for the area commissioners. Note that the last one is leading the charge against Will. I also made some notes on each commissioner based on their on-line bios and/or election materials. At some point, we may also want to contact them regarding the ADU legislation.   Donna Leigh Osborne is a realtor. You can text her at 614-783-6999   donna...@me.com Paul Lada is interested in urban forestry and parks and public spaces, Blueprint Columbus.. He is a landscape architect. CACDis...@gmail.com Greg Nutter says we need respectful and reasonable density, affordable housing, and preservation of green spaces CACDistrict 2nu...@gmail.com Angela Sausser likes the Olentangy Trail, likes to walk her dog, and wants more 4th of July fireworks. CACDis...@gmail.com Brittany Boulton is interested in affordable housing and greenspaces.   Brittanyfor...@gmail.com Mark Moritz is interested in sustainability. safety for cyclists and pedestrians. prof at OSU MarkMo...@gmail.com Michael Weinman formerly with CPD, CPD liaison, is interested in public safety. MikeWei...@gmail.com

Donna Leigh-Osborne <donna...@me.com>: Sep 30 11:54AM -0400 Hello Neighbors-   In response to invitation to reach out to commissioners, D2 Commissioner Greg Nutter sadly passed away months ago. His D2 replacement was seated at the last commission meeting, to fill out his term. Brenda Arnold can be reached at cacdist...@gmail.com   As your D3 representative, I will give update on feedback I receive during my district update at beginning of meeting.   Donna Leigh-Osborne   CAC D3 Commissioner   614-782-6999   Sent from my iPhone   On Sep 30, 2025, at 11:46 AM, Mary Jo Kilroy <mjki...@gmail.com> wrote:      Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Jeff. I will also post it to the Midgard-Woodbine group.   I also read the report and saw no intentional violation of the rules by Will Klatt, but did see a failure by the elections committee to post flags, or cones, or a chalk line to indicate the area candidates should avoid.   As you noted, Will complied with the directive to move farther away.   Will won the election by an overwhelming majority. It would be an injustice to Will and to the voters if the election was overturned. The election committee's report should be upheld.   Here are the emails for the area commissioners. Note that the last one is leading the charge against Will.   I also made some notes on each commissioner based on their on-line bios and/or election materials. At some point, we may also want to contact them regarding the ADU legislation.   Donna Leigh Osborne is a realtor. You can text her at 614-783-6999 donna...@me.com   Paul Lada is interested in urban forestry and parks and public spaces, Blueprint Columbus.. He is a landscape architect. CACDis...@gmail.com   Greg Nutter says we need respectful and reasonable density, affordable housing, and preservation of green spaces CACDistrict 2nu...@gmail.com   Angela Sausser likes the Olentangy Trail, likes to walk her dog, and wants more 4th of July fireworks. CACDis...@gmail.com   Brittany Boulton is interested in affordable housing and greenspaces. Brittanyfor...@gmail.com   Mark Moritz is interested in sustainability. safety for cyclists and pedestrians. prof at OSU MarkMo...@gmail.com   Michael Weinman formerly with CPD, CPD liaison, is interested in public safety. MikeWei...@gmail.com   On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 11:08 AM Jeff Frontz <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote:   In case folks haven't been following along on facebook or via the CAC meeting notes, the CAC plans this week to "discuss and vote whether to sustain the District 3 Election complaint and vacate August 2025 election results."   For details, you might want to read the CAC election committee's report at the bottom of https://www.clintonvilleareacommission.org/september-4-2025-cac-agenda/   If you have a chance to read things over and form an opinion (even if you didn't actually vote in the election), please be sure to share it with Donna Leigh-Osborn (or current/outgoingCAC rep) at Donna...@me.com   Thanks,   Jeff   PS . My take is that the election committee erred in not properly posting the boundaries for the polling location, Will made an honest mistake because of this, Will immediately complied when told, and Will's offer to cede the potentially affected number of votes is way beyond sufficient resolution. Given that even the resulting count for Will would be on the order of 2 times the next vote-getter, it seems inappropriate to nullify the election.   --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To post to this group, send email to walhall...@googlegroups.com   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com   To read old messages, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine/topics?hl=en   For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine?hl=en   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/walhalla-ravine/CAGvwsDmKW22520Q1fL07syyyLKUYzu%3DLUXeshmdNE327PTRn3Q%40mail.gmail.com.   --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To post to this group, send email to walhall...@googlegroups.com   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com   To read old messages, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine/topics?hl=en   For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine?hl=en   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/walhalla-ravine/CAHHgPEZRhGE5ZYw0bY6taNJYyC-y9iYj%2BWUdXUJSVv%2BiarCd5w%40mail.gmail.com.

Bob Handelman <bobhan...@gmail.com>: Sep 30 11:57AM -0400 I am sorry to hear that Greg Nutter has died. Thanks for letting us know, and for giving us the name and contact information of his replacement.   On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 11:55 AM 'Donna Leigh-Osborne' via Walhalla Ravine <

Carole Tomko <cwt...@gmail.com>: Sep 30 11:57AM -0400 Greg Nutter unfortunately passed away a few months ago.   Carole 614-270-5378     On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 11:55 AM 'Donna Leigh-Osborne' via Walhalla Ravine <

Mary Jo Kilroy <mjki...@gmail.com>: Sep 30 11:58AM -0400 Donna, I am sorry to hear of Greg Nutter's passing. Thank you for letting us know.   On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 11:55 AM 'Donna Leigh-Osborne' via Walhalla Ravine <

Donna Leigh-Osborne <donna...@me.com>: Sep 30 12:00PM -0400 Thank you, Bob. Greg will be missed. I look forward to working with Brenda for the short remainder of my term.   Sent from my iPhone   On Sep 30, 2025, at 11:57 AM, Carole Tomko <cwt...@gmail.com> wrote:      Greg Nutter unfortunately passed away a few months ago.   Carole   614-270-5378   On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 11:55 AM 'Donna Leigh-Osborne' via Walhalla Ravine <walhall...@googlegroups.com> wrote:   Hello Neighbors-   In response to invitation to reach out to commissioners, D2 Commissioner Greg Nutter sadly passed away months ago. His D2 replacement was seated at the last commission meeting, to fill out his term. Brenda Arnold can be reached at cacdist...@gmail.com   As your D3 representative, I will give update on feedback I receive during my district update at beginning of meeting.   Donna Leigh-Osborne   CAC D3 Commissioner   614-782-6999   Sent from my iPhone   On Sep 30, 2025, at 11:46 AM, Mary Jo Kilroy <mjki...@gmail.com> wrote:      Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Jeff. I will also post it to the Midgard-Woodbine group.   I also read the report and saw no intentional violation of the rules by Will Klatt, but did see a failure by the elections committee to post flags, or cones, or a chalk line to indicate the area candidates should avoid.   As you noted, Will complied with the directive to move farther away.   Will won the election by an overwhelming majority. It would be an injustice to Will and to the voters if the election was overturned. The election committee's report should be upheld.   Here are the emails for the area commissioners. Note that the last one is leading the charge against Will.   I also made some notes on each commissioner based on their on-line bios and/or election materials. At some point, we may also want to contact them regarding the ADU legislation.   Donna Leigh Osborne is a realtor. You can text her at 614-783-6999 donna...@me.com   Paul Lada is interested in urban forestry and parks and public spaces, Blueprint Columbus.. He is a landscape architect. CACDis...@gmail.com   Greg Nutter says we need respectful and reasonable density, affordable housing, and preservation of green spaces CACDistrict 2nu...@gmail.com   Angela Sausser likes the Olentangy Trail, likes to walk her dog, and wants more 4th of July fireworks. CACDis...@gmail.com   Brittany Boulton is interested in affordable housing and greenspaces. Brittanyfor...@gmail.com   Mark Moritz is interested in sustainability. safety for cyclists and pedestrians. prof at OSU MarkMo...@gmail.com   Michael Weinman formerly with CPD, CPD liaison, is interested in public safety. MikeWei...@gmail.com   On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 11:08 AM Jeff Frontz <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote:   In case folks haven't been following along on facebook or via the CAC meeting notes, the CAC plans this week to "discuss and vote whether to sustain the District 3 Election complaint and vacate August 2025 election results."   For details, you might want to read the CAC election committee's report at the bottom of https://www.clintonvilleareacommission.org/september-4-2025-cac-agenda/   If you have a chance to read things over and form an opinion (even if you didn't actually vote in the election), please be sure to share it with Donna Leigh-Osborn (or current/outgoingCAC rep) at Donna...@me.com   Thanks,   Jeff   PS . My take is that the election committee erred in not properly posting the boundaries for the polling location, Will made an honest mistake because of this, Will immediately complied when told, and Will's offer to cede the potentially affected number of votes is way beyond sufficient resolution. Given that even the resulting count for Will would be on the order of 2 times the next vote-getter, it seems inappropriate to nullify the election.   --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To post to this group, send email to walhall...@googlegroups.com   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com   To read old messages, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine/topics?hl=en   For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine?hl=en   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/walhalla-ravine/CAGvwsDmKW22520Q1fL07syyyLKUYzu%3DLUXeshmdNE327PTRn3Q%40mail.gmail.com.   --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To post to this group, send email to walhall...@googlegroups.com   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com   To read old messages, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine/topics?hl=en   For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine?hl=en   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/walhalla-ravine/CAHHgPEZRhGE5ZYw0bY6taNJYyC-y9iYj%2BWUdXUJSVv%2BiarCd5w%40mail.gmail.com.   --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To post to this group, send email to walhall...@googlegroups.com   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com   To read old messages, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine/topics?hl=en   For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine?hl=en   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/walhalla-ravine/E721B409-5492-430D-AB3B-C6439040C741%40me.com.   --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To post to this group, send email to walhall...@googlegroups.com   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com   To read old messages, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine/topics?hl=en   For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/walhalla-ravine?hl=en   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Walhalla Ravine" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to walhalla-ravi...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/walhalla-ravine/CAMnO001tN25H6bf-UDoxc1JgHiRLwTn4z5nGpMJDEebbM0JYAA%40mail.gmail.com.

Will Klatt <will.b...@gmail.com>: Sep 30 01:09PM -0400 Hi All,   Will Klatt here—Jeff added me last week so I could stay connected to any issues affecting Walhalla and help advocate for the neighborhood.   As many of you know, I grew up in Walhalla and my parents still live there. I now live on Lakeview with my wife Marla Son Geronimo (goes by MoMo) and daughter Maylou, but I walk the ravine several times a week, often in the evenings. It’s my place to relax, recenter, and appreciate the serenity of our community. I want to help ensure it remains a safe, accessible, and wonderful place to raise a family.   I didn’t want to raise this on the list, but I do want to be transparent: some commissioners have tried to disqualify me after I won the election, and now are pursuing a rerun after those attempts failed. Not all commissioners are involved in this, and I appreciate the hard work Donna and others put into serving—often a thankless role. My main frustration is that I asked neighbors to take time out of their busy lives to vote, and now some commissioners are openly suggesting those votes be disregarded simply because they don’t like me or my views. In America, disenfranchising voters is not a remedy for disliking the outcome of an election.   That said, my priority is keeping the focus on issues facing the ravine. If you’d like to talk about the election, I’m happy to chat off-list.   Here’s my number if you ever need to reach me: 614-905-1109. Always feel free to call or email. I included a picture of me in case you see me walking around. Feel free to say hi if we dont already know each other, would love to meet you.   Have a wonderful day,     Will       [image: image.png]       On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 12:00 PM 'Donna Leigh-Osborne' via Walhalla Ravine <   -- Will Klatt cell- 614-905-1109

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[Libby Wetherholt]

You are correct. There is probably no consequence in the rule. But from what I understand Mr Klatt was clearly nowhere even close to 100 feet away from the building. CAC has spent years rebuilding trust in this community. I would hope that Mr Klatt can admit he didn’t follow the rules but that he will be more careful in the future. If we can’t trust those of us in this small community, what hope is there for our country?

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[Jared Erb]

Interesting, I’m not on Facebook so didn’t know about this, or know about the election. Which is why I appreciate this email group. 

Not taking sides just pointing a few things out that may be helpful... The “Election Rules” state that “Before the Committee certifies the election results, the Committee shall disqualify a potential candidate or candidate who is ineligible to serve due to death, withdrawal of candidacy, lack of residency, or any other reason in violation of these rules or rulings by the mayor or city attorney.”

“Shall” is some strong language. In the legal world that is a commandment, and means there are no other courses of action other than the options given. If a rule was violated, they clearly instruct the Committee how to proceed. Like the Rules or not, they say what they say, and it appears the Committee, if they found a violation, has no option but to disqualify a candidate. The Rules don’t distinguish between petty or egregious violations. 

The Rules instruct that “No person shall engage in any campaigning…” The Rules clearly distinguish “person” and “candidate” by the context in which they are used throughout this poorly drafted set of Rules. My legal argument would be that the Rules prohibit persons, but not candidates, from campaigning within 100 feet of a polling location. There are no terms defined in the rules, which is unfortunate, and leaves a lot of ambiguities to complicate situations like this. If “persons” included “candidates,” it ought to define the term and say so. 

One might also point out that the “violation of these rules” didn’t render the candidate “ineligible to serve.” As the Rules are written, it seems like the violation would have to render the candidate ineligible to serve, whatever that means, as that’s not defined anywhere. If it means in this case he wouldn’t have had enough votes to be elected discounting the 8 people he talked to, then that would make sense. But that’s not what happened.

Also, the test they use to weigh the seriousness of the violation in Section III of their decision doesn’t appear to be found anywhere in the CAC Bylaws or the Rules. Would be interesting to know where that came from - as it seems contradict the Rules, because the Rules don’t allow for a factors weighing analysis like they used, but are written with a strict liability inference.

I hope this turns out the way it should. Best of luck to those aggrieved by this.

Just my thoughts. Thanks.

Jared 

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[Mary Jo Kilroy]

Dave Ungar -- in order to disqualify, the offense needs to be egregious and intentional. Staying too close for a short time, when nothing was marked as is typical in other voting arenas, moving when informed, hardly sounds intentional and egregious so as to disqualify the overwhelming winner of the race. 

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