Toyin Adepoju and Toyin Falola

[Toyin Falola]

On some occasions, the name Toyin has caused one or two confusions. The Toyin below in IBK’s refers to Toyin Adepoju.

Even in Nigeria, some folks attribute what Adepoju says to me.

I go by TF, not Toyin

TF

 

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From: dialogue <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ibukunolu A Babajide <ibk...@gmail.com>
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Date: Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 7:25 AM
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Subject: Re: Yoruba Affairs - Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Association of Nigerian Scholars in the Diaspora: a clarification

 

Ken and Toyin,

 

You are both on the wrong side of logic and reason. 

 

Toyin, your obsequious support for GEJ and open hatred of Buhari is the real reason why the If I Amins of Africa thrive. 

 

Ken, if two or more notable scholars write on their own and other's behalf who are you to denigrate them? Are you forced to belong to their association or agree with them?

 

Deploy your views. Do not join that Farooq Kperogi who is a paid Atiku mouthpiece to denigrate eminent and respected academics. 

 

Freedom of association allows any two or more people to come together and call themselves what they wish to be known as. I encourage you to go to a court of law to challenge their name and existence. 

 

You must be careful not to be influenced by petty and lazy intellects who overstate themselves but whose contributions are not more than Shakespeare's apt coinage, a tale told by an idiot full of sound abd fury signifying nothing. 

 

Cheers. 

 

 

IBK

 

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019, 13:41 Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, <toyin....@gmail.com> wrote:

So, at last Farooq's struggle agst all odds can now be clearly seen for its value.

 

I have often wondered why even crude dictators like Idi Amin and Sani Abacha lasted so long in their nations.

 

Along with the creation of a climate of fear, they had the support of various constituencies.

 

One of such constituencies have been malleable academics.

 

In retrospect, I also salute Moses Ochonu for his apology on allowing himself to be persuaded to join what has now unraveled as the significantly insincere, ethnically, special interests driven  anti-GEJ/pro-Buhari crusade and people like Ikhide Ikheloa who insisted that a critique of GEJ did not have to translate to support of Buhari, who is not better and whom history is showing to be operating at a different level of the abysmal, as a terrorist, than any leader of the nation in Nigeria's history.

 

May we always have people ready to stand for truth, even if they are in danger of being bruised in the public square.

 

toyin

 

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 at 02:11, 'Kenneth Kalu' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear Prof. Falola,

 

Thank you for this intervention. Honestly, it has been really hard, very hard for some of us who are learners to understand how it is proper for two people to use the appellation “Association of Nigerian Scholars in Diaspora” to issue weighty public statements. 

 

Except if it is now fashionable to call a spade by a different name, many of us thought people should have stood up to say what is right. Individuals can write what they want and put their names against their views. That is their business. But I do not see how it is right, under any interpretation, to write your OWN opinions and claim it is from an Association that can easily be associated with very clear and identifiable group of people. Anybody supporting such misrepresentation must know something that majority of the people do not know.

 

Thanks again.

 

Ken

On Friday, 7 June 2019, 18:54:43 GMT-4, Farooq A. Kperogi <farooq...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

Oga Falola,

 

It is the same "organization," which is more properly a dyad, as I've pointed out several times here. It is precisely because the group calls itself the "umbrella association of Nigerian scholars in the diaspora" that people reached out to me to find out if the "group" speaks for me since its unfailingly perpetual pro-regime stances are diametrically opposed to mine-- and to that of many diasporan Nigerian scholars.

 

I'll lend whatever support I can give to people who will seek legal redress from the two people who are scamming the Nigerian people into believing that they speak for me--and for other diasporan scholars who don't share their pro-regime propaganda. In fact, if no one proceeds with the threat to sue them, I will.

 

I'm glad that the larger import of my intervention is finally sinking in. I have more damming evidence against these people than I have publicly shared. I'll reveal more in a court of law since I'll be protected by what lawyers call absolute privilege.

 

I was beginning to lose faith in the quality of the moral consciousness of my colleagues when were quibbling over inanities instead of confronting the audacious confidence trickery and false pretenses of the dyad. 

 

How could anyone not see the dishonesty in two people claiming to speak for hundreds of people who have no earthly clue that they exist, who disagree with their propaganda on behalf of government? These people maligned the US State Department for calling attention to human rights abuses in Nigeria that most of us already know about. They countenanced homophobia in a previous press release, which would get many diasporan scholars in trouble. And so on.

 

Farooq

Personal website: www.farooqkperogi.com
Twitter: @farooqkperogi
 

Sent from my phone. Please forgive typos and omissions.

 

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 5:07 PM Toyin Falola <toyin...@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

In Toronto, words came that the impression in Abuja is that  hundreds of us, including many on the Dialogue, are members.

In transit, I was told that the scholars meet regularly to review the country’s progress.

I don’t know whether this is the same organization that Dr Kperogi is talking about.

If so, the Association has to change its name. If not, a miscommunication may tarnish innocent people.

I was told that a group in Toronto wants to sue the Association for including them as members.
TF

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[Farooq A. Kperogi]

"Deploy your views. Do not join that Farooq Kperogi who is a paid Atiku mouthpiece to denigrate eminent and respected academics." Here is an example of the sorts of libelous personal insults the moderator posts on this list and when I react in the best way I can, he stops the thread and make me look like the aggressor. I'll go ahead and institute a libel suit against this demented, airheaded ignoramus called IBK to stop his character assassinations. Unfortunately, this listserv will be joined in the suit. This irresponsibility has to stop. I've blocked this idiotic scoundrel's email from getting to my inbox and wouldn't have seen his libel if Professor Falola hadn't responded to it.

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[Anthony Akinola]

Your description of him as 'demented, airheaded ignoramus' suggests to me he does not deserve to be taken seriously.

Regards,

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Farooq,

Please ignore that character.

He is not worth your attention.

Almost anything can happen online.

Its left for the moderator to decide the kind of group he wants to run.

toyin

 

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Farooq,

Please ignore that character.

He is not worth your attention.

Almost anything can happen online.

Its left for the moderator to decide the kind of group he wants to run.

toyin

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[OLAYINKA AGBETUYI]

Has Farooq in all honesty not denigrated eminent and respected academics?  How would the libel suit stand with the whole list serve as witnesses ( not to talk of the lust serve archives.)

OAA

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"Deploy your views. Do not join that Farooq Kperogi who is a paid Atiku mouthpiece to denigrate eminent and respected academics." Here is an example of the sorts of libelous personal insults the moderator posts on this list and when I react in the best way I can, he stops the thread and make me look like the aggressor. I'll go ahead and institute a libel suit against this demented, airheaded ignoramus called IBK to stop his character assassinations. Unfortunately, this listserv will be joined in the suit. This irresponsibility has to stop. I've blocked this idiotic scoundrel's email from getting to my inbox and wouldn't have seen his libel if Professor Falola hadn't responded to it.

Farooq 

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[Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM]

Moderator,
Seriously, IBK and his cohorts should be called to order.

CAO.

[Farooq A. Kperogi]

I just want him to know that there are consequences for online libel. Why Falola allows these sorts of lowlifes on the list beats me.

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[Toyin Falola]

IBK, if it is the same person, is an attorney of over twenty years experience and used to work for the United Nations and was part of the Rwandan Truth Commission with his office in Tanzania.

As to his politics and the politics of others, I don’t get involved.

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[Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM]

"IBK, if it is the same person, is an attorney of over twenty years experience and used to work for the United Nations and was part of the Rwandan Truth Commission with his office in Tanzania"(TF).

That is hardly the issue sir, IBK should be called to order and if he refused to Change, he should be sanctioned.

CAO.

[OLAYINKA AGBETUYI]

If the Moderator starts banning people from the listserve on account of their views it will be a field day for censorship.  If members start recommending  others to be banned it will be an exercise in tyranny.  With 20 yrs membership I think I'm one if the longest founding continuous members.  Yet that gives me no rights to recommend anyone to be banned.  With that tyrannical power granted to members someone might just become a member next week decide they don't like my posts and off I'm gone (hasn't it happened already!)

We just have to ALL exercise more mature responsibility in our postings and phraseology.

Some people have resorted to blocking the emails of those whose postings they find offensive. That should be sufficient. It takes two to tango they say.  If you don't read it you don't respond in kind.  This is a free association listserve in which members mutually benefit.  Antagonists today might be bossom buddies tomorrow. There have been other listserves with minimum qualification entry requirements.  Its a free world..  When people post in a public listserve they must exoect negative and positive comments of all shades.  That is why they CHOSE not to send their postings as private messages.

RESTRAINT on ALL sides; the watch word.

OAA.

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I just want him to know that there are consequences for online libel. Why Falola allows these sorts of lowlifes on the list beats me.

Farooq

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[Anthony Akinola]

There is great maturity in this admonition.

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[Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM]

OAA,
Why did you not start your post with labeling those you disagree with their posts as "intellectual lazy", etc?

CAO.

[OLAYINKA AGBETUYI]

CAO:

People are different.  Hence my appeal to "all'  You must remember that Toyin and I have been down that lane before.  We still have fundamental differences but we don't express them in that manner since we both realize that doesn't help the position advanced. 

To be honest I did not have to express things that way but self consciously did to allow people know I'm perfectly comfortable going that way if it's the path chosen.

You have to give it to the man, unlike many others in this forum and in spite of their level of qualifications,  and natting his undeniably anti northern sentiments Toyins trajectory and ability to learn and relearn on this forum has been one of the most remarkable. Here is someone who started off stating that western civilization is more rational than African civilization championing  the cause of the Ogboni.

I can recall the type of poetry you wrote when you joined the forum. Picking up hints here and there you no longer write that now do you?  So the forum has been mutually beneficial 

Between INK and Toy in and INK and Farouk I'm sure they will be able too find a way to settle their differences.

It's an adult forum that thrives more ion self regulation.  The moderator cannot put a cane on anyone's backside. 

OAA

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​For instance, just yesterday Toyin Adepoju asked an innocent question to the forum, but IBK's response was to call him ''intellectually  it was posted. I would have missed it had Chidi not responded to it and wondered aloud why infantile insults are IBK's stock-in-trade -Farooq Kperogi.

​On 15 February 2019, the Moderator posted on this forum Farooq Kperogi's essay titled, Abba Kyari's Self Serving Condemnation of Foreign Intervention. Here follows excerpts from Farooq Kperogi's essay : Abba Kyari, President Buhari's geriatric and morally stained Chief of Staff, wrote an impudent, awkwardly error-ridden and mind-numbingly platitudinous screed titled, ''Tomorrow Never Dies.'' That is an ironic title in light of well-known fact that he and a junto of reactionary, avaricious pudden-heads misgoverning Nigeria on behalf of a senile, cognitively degenerate, and physically infirm Buhari are already murdering Nigeria's tomorrow.

​Kyari has unflattering reputation for PHYSICAL AND INTELLECTUAL LAZINESS and for down-the-line duplicity, so his HACKNEYED, INTELLECTUALLY MALNOURISHED HARANGUE didn't surprise me.

So, for Buhari and his no-good puppeteers like Abba Kyari and HOMICIDAL EXECUTIVE THUGS LIKE NASIR EL-RUFAI, foreign intervention is good only when it favours them and condemnable when it calls out their incompetence and duplicity.

My response to Farooq was posted on the forum on 20 February 2019, nevertheless, I have to recall what Farooq wrote to expose his hypocritical reaction against IBK for describing Toyin Adepoju as being intellectually lazy. For clarity, here follows what IBK wrote, "Toyin, when I say you are intellectually lazy, people think I do not like you. Instead of you to do some reading you will start a collage of the works of other hard working people and try to present them here as if you are doing some worthy academic work." IBK did not only explain why he branded Toyin Adepoju as being intellectually lazy but listed books, at the end of his response, from where Toyin Adepoju could find the information he was enquiring about, namely when the Federal Forces captured Bonny Island during the Nigerian Civil war. For branding Yoyin Adepoju as being intellectually lazy, Farooq Kperogi and his acolytes considered the expression infantile insult. But when Farooq wrote that the octogenarian, Abba Kyari, who is not on this list serve, is physically and intellectually lazy, are we to regard that as adulthood insult from Farooq to Abba Kyari?

On 8 June 2019, Farooq quoted IBK as having written, "Deploy your views. Do not join Farooq Kperogi who is a paid Atiku mouthpiece to denigrate eminent and respected academics." In his reaction to that, Farooq wrote, "Here is an example of the sorts of libellous personal insults the moderator posts on this list …. I'll go ahead and institute a libel against this demented, airheaded ignoramus called IBK...." I am waiting curiously for Farooq's libellous suit against IBK and I hope that he will be able to produce in court a medical certificate in which IBK was diagnosed as demented. On the other hand, Farooq Kperogi's assertion posted on this list serve on 15 February 2019 stated : So, for Buhari and his no-good puppeteers like Abba Kyari and homicidal executive thug like Nasir El-Rufai, foreign interference is good only when it favours them and condemnable when it calls out their incompetence and duplicity. Evidence of how and when El-Rufai became an executive thug must be produced by Farooq Kperogi in order for him to escape a libel suit.

​The Special Assistant to President Buhari on ​Prosecutions and Head of a Special Investigation Panel for Recovery of Public Property, Okoi Obono-Obla, in a public statement sometimes last year averred : Fighting corruption should not be the responsibility of President Muhammadu Buhari alone. It should be the responsibility of everyone of us, National Assembly, the civil society, because this country has suffered tremendously because of corruption. For saying that Farooq Kperogi pounced on him in a piece posted on this list with the title, Corruption Fighting Corruption : The Tragicomic Case of Obono-Obla. In it Farooq said that Obono-Obla possibly stole his dead relatives ''O-level'' certificate in 1982, fludged it to include Literature in English which the dead relative didn't sit for and used it to gain admission to the University. Obono-Obla's probable criminal impersonation gained him admission into University of Jos, Farooq informed readers. Astonishingly, Obolo-Obla successfully read law at the University of Jos and was called to the bar in 1991. Going by the statement of Farooq, Obono-Obla stole the certificate of his dead relative and impersonated him to gain admission into an institution he was not qualified to study. Then I  questioned if the dead relative also was also attending lectures and sitting exams for Obono-Obla which enabled him to pass through his legal studies he had no educational foundation for? The moderator posted Farooq Kperogi's defamation of Obono-Obla character who is not on this list serve. Reflecting on all adulthood insults that have been heaped on people both inside and outside of this list serve by Farooq Kperogi, I am forced to concur with the observations of psychologists that the heart of an insecure person makes him/her to seek to create God in his/her own image and cannot stand others outperforming him/her, while pretending always to be who he/she is not.

S. Kadiri  

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

 I wonder how Olayinka  came to this conclusion 

'Here is someone who started off stating that western civilization is more rational than African civilization championing  the cause of the Ogboni. '

Beyond the oddity of that claim on my views at any time on African civilization  my writing on classical African knowledge systems predates my membership of this group  

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[Jibrin Ibrahim]

Labelling, insults, baseless castigation, making medical declarations on people's health without evidence is the stuff this forum is made of today. I have nostalgia for when it was an intellectual forum.

Professor Jibrin Ibrahim

Senior Fellow

Centre for Democracy and Development, Abuja

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[Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM]

"I can recall the type of poetry you wrote when you joined the forum. Picking up hints here and there you no longer write that now do you? So the forum has been mutually beneficial" (OAA).

Situations, circumstances, age, etc, influence creative writings and methods. The aforementioned are fluid and so are creative writings and methods.

CAO.

[OLAYINKA AGBETUYI]

Jibrin 

This scenaratio definitely took a turn for the worse when insults from a newspaper column became habitually posted on this forum and the author had to defend the insults by yet other insults on those who queried the rationale for the original insults.

I agree with you on the need for a more sane less politicised intellectual insults. Buhari is back in the saddle for a second term and no amount of insults will change that reality.

OAA

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Labelling, insults, baseless castigation, making medical declarations on people's health without evidence is the stuff this forum is made of today. I have nostalgia for when it was an intellectual forum.

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