Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Hallelujah! The UK elections have been done
OLAYINKA AGBETUYI
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“This series presents debates, data, news, and information about Africa, the African Diaspora, and global events as they relate to Africa. It is a Pan-African listserve that reaches the entire world, and focuses on issues of importance to Africa and its diaspora. Welcome”
Yet, it’s an inexplicable surprise, surprise, unless of course one or more of the wisest pundits, political scientists, futurologists, stargazers of strategists amongst us want to explain for the lost sheep, bards, Ogas, landlords, men of deeds, why there has been a Zero number of words about this latest UK Elections in which the UK electorate has had to make an epic decision that ( all things being connected) should affect all of us, including those of us in Nigeria, one of the UK’s biggest former colonies, a colony which has grown
exponentially as a market from a nation with a population of 33 million souls to feed when she became independent on the 1st of October 1960 and following the progressive doctrine of “be fruitful and multiply” has now indeed developed as one of the biggest markets, not only in Africa, with a population nearing 200 million mortals and the mothers still delivering their endless series of endless births
Is the latest UK Elections certainly not an event that relates to Africa and an” issue of importance to Africa and its diaspora”?
Are the former British colonies not members of The Commonwealth and indeed, when some of our African heads of state catch the flu or are in need of urgent medical attention do they not fly or flee to London for that purpose? In fact, is English not the official language of Africa’s Commonwealth nations and are we not going to forge some very important trade, education, cultural relations with post-Brexit Britain?
A possible explanation is a sometimes-distant attitude of “Let them sort out things out by themselves, over there, Ojare!”
Wherever we may be, we do have our various perspectives and understandings. In all fairness, in the runup to that Brexit referendum and shortly after the murder of Jo Cox, it was a matter of great concern for some immigrants, since immigration was one of the major issues, and we did have Barrister Emetulu a British-Nigerian resident/Nigerian-Brit domiciled in the UK, stoutly and vociferously advocating that they stay in the EU (shmile)
Last night The UK’s victorious and jubilant Prime Minister described his nation as, “The greatest democracy in the world!” - in my opinion, with enough free air to be an example and an inspiration to some of our fledgeling democracies groping or grovelling about basic rights and freedoms, especially the rights of peaceful and peaceable dissent even dissension and even if some of us, perhaps especially those voluntarily exiled in the US Diaspora from where we will be endless discussing the next US Presidential elections in this series, some of us more attracted to breathing “the air around Tom Paine” than the air around Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament.
There are many matters arising from this Brexit election and one of the most significant ( thinking of ethnicity here) is the spectacular success of the SNP, the Scottish National Party and the implications therefore both in the United Kingdom and may be as something for the multi-ethnic democracies to consider about possibilities for the smallies….
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“The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars
But in ourselves, that we are underlings.” (Cassius, winding up Brutus)
“Name me someone that's not a parasite and I'll go out and say a prayer for him” (Visions of Johanna)
What is the current situation, the relationship between the UK and Nigeria?
The tragedy of Nigeria is that she sells oil to obtain all that valuable foreign exchange, unfortunately, manufactures little and imports almost everything, including rice!!!!
Whilst Baba Kadiri is being frustrated by “Nigerian professors of electricity who produce darkness only” and Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju weeps copiously that he often has to read in downtown Lagos by candlelight
“Well it's just that sometimes
By midnight light
I'm frightened by my fears” (Susan’s song),
in the meantime, there are experiments like this – and Nigeria could do this because Nigeria has been blessed by oil and by sunshine the year-round from which we could use solar energy !
Professor Segun Ogungbemi’s pithy note of caution is understandable. No amount of philosophical quibbling about this matter is going to solve anything and there’s definitely no harm in his advice that “Nigeria must be careful not to fall into the trap of a return to colonialism.”
Indeed, who wants to return to colonialism?
Or to enter a trap?
And who would like to return to slavery?
What about debt slavery?
As Brutus spoke at Caesar’s funeral:
“Who is here so base that would be a bondman? If any, speak—for him have I offended. Who is here so rude that would not be a Roman? If any, speak—for him have I offended. Who is here so vile that will not love his country? If any, speak—for him have I offended. I pause for a reply.”
Professor Segun Ogungbemi’s advice is couched in the present tense, and it is a command: Must be careful!
Avuncular advice from a senior statesman, like Moses (Moshe Rabbeinu) coming down from the cloud atop Mt. Sinai, coming down from the summit with the Almighty, Blessed be He, coming down to the folks waiting for him at the foot of the mountain, coming down with the Tablets written by the finger of the Almighty, Blessed be He!
The prudence in the dictum ”better safe than sorry” probably applies in all cases, depending on the degree of safety ensured, assured or guaranteed weighed against the weight and extent of the folly that could have been prevented, instead of later on being lamented as what could have been the avoidable sorrow, as we continue in the present continuous mode of shuffering and shmiling…
The same point was made by a British commentator about Trump’s promise to the Brits - which has generated considerable comments – much of it echoing Professor Ogungbemi’s advice to Nigeria in the case of the Brits, that the UK must be careful not to fall into the trap of a return to colonialism.
But these are all words, “colonialism”, “neo-colonialism” as irritating as the dinosaurs who have not caught up with history and are still talking or braying about “Zionism” when Zionism is very much a fait accompli and we are now living in the post-Zionism era.
Fear not the spectre of neo-colonialism! These days it's all about partnership and Co-operation (Adebayo Olukoshi is an expert on all this). The old Colonial Office was replaced by “The Ministry of Overseas Development” which has now morphed into a new ministerial portfolio the Secretary of State for International Development of the United Kingdom
Indeed, Prime Minister Boris Johnson should be proud of Lord OAA’s optimism which sounds like the UK’s post-Brexit new direction policy when he asserts,
“British trade relations will take a larger role unrestricted by British membership of the EU. That will be an economic boost for Nigeria and other Commonwealth African nations.”
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Okechukwu Ukaga
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 11:54 AM OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nigeria a major African country is in the British Commonwealth, so are other African countries like Ghana, Kenya etc. Yesterday's Tory Victory means Nigeria -,British trade relations will take a larger role unrestricted by British membership of the EU. That will be an economic boost for Nigeria and other Commonwealth African nations.
OAA
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-------- Original message --------From: Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com>Date: 13/12/2019 11:35 (GMT+00:00)To: USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Hallelujah! The UK elections have been done
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“This series presents debates, data, news, and information about Africa, the African Diaspora, and global events as they relate to Africa. It is a Pan-African listserve that reaches the entire world, and focuses on issues of importance to Africa and its diaspora. Welcome”
Yet, it’s an inexplicable surprise, surprise, unless of course one or more of the wisest pundits, political scientists, futurologists, stargazers of strategists amongst us want to explain for the lost sheep, bards, Ogas, landlords, men of deeds, why there has been a Zero number of words about this latest UK Elections in which the UK electorate has had to make an epic decision that ( all things being connected) should affect all of us, including those of us in Nigeria, one of the UK’s biggest former colonies, a colony which has grown
exponentially as a market from a nation with a population of 33 million souls to feed when she became independent on the 1st of October 1960 and following the progressive doctrine of “be fruitful and multiply” has now indeed developed as one of the biggest markets, not only in Africa, with a population nearing 200 million mortals and the mothers still delivering their endless series of endless births
Is the latest UK Elections certainly not an event that relates to Africa and an” issue of importance to Africa and its diaspora”?
Are the former British colonies not members of The Commonwealth and indeed, when some of our African heads of state catch the flu or are in need of urgent medical attention do they not fly or flee to London for that purpose? In fact, is English not the official language of Africa’s Commonwealth nations and are we not going to forge some very important trade, education, cultural relations with post-Brexit Britain?
A possible explanation is a sometimes-distant attitude of “Let them sort out things out by themselves, over there, Ojare!”
Wherever we may be, we do have our various perspectives and understandings. In all fairness, in the runup to that Brexit referendum and shortly after the murder of Jo Cox, it was a matter of great concern for some immigrants, since immigration was one of the major issues, and we did have Barrister Emetulu a British-Nigerian resident/Nigerian-Brit domiciled in the UK, stoutly and vociferously advocating that they stay in the EU (shmile)
Last night The UK’s victorious and jubilant Prime Minister described his nation as, “The greatest democracy in the world!” - in my opinion, with enough free air to be an example and an inspiration to some of our fledgeling democracies groping or grovelling about basic rights and freedoms, especially the rights of peaceful and peaceable dissent even dissension and even if some of us, perhaps especially those voluntarily exiled in the US Diaspora from where we will be endless discussing the next US Presidential elections in this series, some of us more attracted to breathing “the air around Tom Paine” than the air around Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament.
There are many matters arising from this Brexit election and one of the most significant ( thinking of ethnicity here) is the spectacular success of the SNP, the Scottish National Party and the implications therefore both in the United Kingdom and may be as something for the multi-ethnic democracies to consider about possibilities for the smallies….
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 11:54 AM OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nigeria a major African country is in the British Commonwealth, so are other African countries like Ghana, Kenya etc. Yesterday's Tory Victory means Nigeria -,British trade relations will take a larger role unrestricted by British membership of the EU. That will be an economic boost for Nigeria and other Commonwealth African nations.
OAA
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“This series presents debates, data, news, and information about Africa, the African Diaspora, and global events as they relate to Africa. It is a Pan-African listserve that reaches the entire world, and focuses on issues of importance to Africa and its diaspora. Welcome”
Yet, it’s an inexplicable surprise, surprise, unless of course one or more of the wisest pundits, political scientists, futurologists, stargazers of strategists amongst us want to explain for the lost sheep, bards, Ogas, landlords, men of deeds, why there has been a Zero number of words about this latest UK Elections in which the UK electorate has had to make an epic decision that ( all things being connected) should affect all of us, including those of us in Nigeria, one of the UK’s biggest former colonies, a colony which has grown
exponentially as a market from a nation with a population of 33 million souls to feed when she became independent on the 1st of October 1960 and following the progressive doctrine of “be fruitful and multiply” has now indeed developed as one of the biggest markets, not only in Africa, with a population nearing 200 million mortals and the mothers still delivering their endless series of endless births
Is the latest UK Elections certainly not an event that relates to Africa and an” issue of importance to Africa and its diaspora”?
Are the former British colonies not members of The Commonwealth and indeed, when some of our African heads of state catch the flu or are in need of urgent medical attention do they not fly or flee to London for that purpose? In fact, is English not the official language of Africa’s Commonwealth nations and are we not going to forge some very important trade, education, cultural relations with post-Brexit Britain?
A possible explanation is a sometimes-distant attitude of “Let them sort out things out by themselves, over there, Ojare!”
Wherever we may be, we do have our various perspectives and understandings. In all fairness, in the runup to that Brexit referendum and shortly after the murder of Jo Cox, it was a matter of great concern for some immigrants, since immigration was one of the major issues, and we did have Barrister Emetulu a British-Nigerian resident/Nigerian-Brit domiciled in the UK, stoutly and vociferously advocating that they stay in the EU (shmile)
Last night The UK’s victorious and jubilant Prime Minister described his nation as, “The greatest democracy in the world!” - in my opinion, with enough free air to be an example and an inspiration to some of our fledgeling democracies groping or grovelling about basic rights and freedoms, especially the rights of peaceful and peaceable dissent even dissension and even if some of us, perhaps especially those voluntarily exiled in the US Diaspora from where we will be endless discussing the next US Presidential elections in this series, some of us more attracted to breathing “the air around Tom Paine” than the air around Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament.
There are many matters arising from this Brexit election and one of the most significant ( thinking of ethnicity here) is the spectacular success of the SNP, the Scottish National Party and the implications therefore both in the United Kingdom and may be as something for the multi-ethnic democracies to consider about possibilities for the smallies….
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