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Harrow, Kenneth

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Mar 11, 2022, 9:41:33 AM3/11/22
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whom do you believe?
President Xi Jinping of China, left, and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in 2019. The two leaders have grown closer, largely because of a shared desire to undermine American global dominance.


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Toyin Falola

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Mar 11, 2022, 9:53:52 AM3/11/22
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Ken:

My point: I cannot trust both sides when it comes to this issue. We never knew, many years ago, that Israeli scientists were working in South Africa to develop nuclear bomb.

When it comes to issues such as this, we can never know until years later.

It is recently that we got to know that in resolving the Russian-Cuba partnership, that the US made a secret deal to withdraw its army from Turkey for the Russian submarine to turn back.

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Harrow, Kenneth

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Mar 11, 2022, 10:39:37 AM3/11/22
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i agree, toyin. it's simply that part of a war is a war of information and disinformation. makes not much sense to commit to one set of beliefs or another, unless we have sources we can believe.  or sources we can dismiss!
meanwhile, here comes some of the news, and the times is worth reading, even with a measure of skepticism.
it was funny how the news on iraq, that is, the disinformation campaign of bush, took its time to appear. it was never really believable.
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Toyin Falola

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Mar 11, 2022, 10:55:01 AM3/11/22
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Ken:

And I doubt that any public will accept the use of biological/chemical weapons on millions of civilians. If Putin were to try it, his army would over throw him. And Russians can cross to Ukraine to fight in support of Ukraine.

I don’t know his agenda, but you cannot take over a country of 43 million people. Neither can you kill them.

The bad news for Putin is that Russia has to rebuild Ukraine. He has also used his resources to construct a nationalism for Ukraine.

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Femi Kolapo

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Mar 11, 2022, 10:55:01 AM3/11/22
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Important as it is to not give a boost to excuses for warmongering, and as important as it is to recognize the horror of the ongoing war in Ukraine, the issue of biowarfare is of the highest concern to me as an African. African governments, companies, and scientists have demonstrated a heartbreaking incapacity to offer any worthwhile medical response to Covid 19 (nor to Ebola or even malaria) and we have had to be totally dependent on Western, Eastern and UN humanitarian handouts and leftovers.   

Whenever rumors of these great powers messing around with pathogens that could wipe out the world get out, we should make a lot of noise and rouse moral indignation among their citizenry. Africa has the least capacity to protect its people from these horrors. We should be mindful therefore of the possibility that these horrible viruses and bacteria have laboratory origins. This has been canvassed by people with credible credentials and however much is the countervailing evidence and claim that these concerns are conspiracy theories, I see no justification for ruling out the possibility. Africa has only been very fortunate that the Covid-19 outbreak did not wreak as much havoc on the continent as it has done in Western Europe, US, Iran or Brazil.  Who knows which other deadly pathogen these powers have been working on that may escape their control and plunge us into a new round of horror. Africa may not be that lucky the next time and though this revelation is coming out int he context of powerful propaganda and disinformation and misinformation from all sides, there is an indication that the research in question posed a lot of danger to the world, and especially to Africa that lacks the capacity to respond effectively to such outbreaks as that of the now fading Covid-19.

Perhaps Glenn Greenwald is for or against the US or the Russians;  whichever the case may be his analysis of the US spin on their bio lab shenanigans in Ukraine makes a lot of sense. 

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological?s=r

Nuland's bizarre admission that “Ukraine has biological research facilities” that are dangerous enough to warrant concern that they could fall into Russian hands ironically constituted more decisive evidence of the existence of such programs in Ukraine than what was offered in 2002 and 2003 to corroborate U.S. allegations about Saddam's chemical and biological programs in Iraq.

 




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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Mar 11, 2022, 11:26:51 AM3/11/22
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………and we only just realized that the U.S
funded viral research in that Wuhan Lab
in the context of what is euphemistically
called “gain of function.”



uk/us-cash-funded-wuhan-virus-
lab-claims-new-book/amp_
articleshow/85992575.cms





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Re - Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has “Biological Research Facilities,” Worried Russia May Seize Them...“They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative?

Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Mar 12, 2022, 4:56:31 PM3/12/22
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Victoria Nuland let the 🐈 out
of the bag in this acknowledgment 
of a bio - war program  in Ukraine. 
Thanks for this post. It is quite 
illuminating.

Victoria’s, not so secret 
role in Ukraine should be a reminder
that the neo -cons did not really
sail into the sunset. They sailed to
Ukraine to poke the bear.





Professor Gloria Emeagwali 
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
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Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research 
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association



Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association

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