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Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM

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Jul 14, 2019, 5:34:45 AM7/14/19
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Salimonu Kadiri

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​Thank you Chidi for posting the link beneath. Let us reason together not just as Nigerians but as fellow human beings. This following excerpt from the link is worth thinking about. The spot (Kajola) where they killed Baba Fasoranti's daughter falls between Odigbo and Okitipupa Local Government territory.
​The people living close to the area said Fulani herdsmen had taken over the area and there was a time a Bishop was abducted and the police rescued him in that area.
​Herdsmen are all over the forest. We see them between Omotosho and Igbotako. They graze their cows on the road and strike and they run back to the bush.

​How can people live close to the area where the *blood thirsty Fulani murderers* have taken over without getting murdered?

​An abducted Bishop was said to have been rescued at a time by the police in the area. Did the police identify the abductors of the Bishop as herdsmen or Fulani herdsmen?

​They (herdsmen) are all over the forest, according to the people living close to the area who also see herdsmen graze their cows on the road where they strike and run back to the bush. How fast would herdsmen have run with their cows back into the bush before being caught?

​Besides the Jews of Europe, no ethnic group in human history has ever been subjected to fascist propaganda and persecution as Fulani people of Nigeria have been obliged to endure. The following link is more plausible to read about the crime of kidnapping in Nigeria. https://punchng.com/chilling-experiences-of-motorists-travellers-on-kidnapper-prone-highways/ 
Kidnappings on some highways across the country have reached a crescendo. CHUKWUDI AKASIKE and SIMON UTEBOR capture the shocking stories of some victims of this vicious crime Throughout the night ...
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Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM

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Jul 15, 2019, 3:51:41 AM7/15/19
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Salimonu,
"Look at what’s happening today with the cattle all over the place, that’s a security issue which should never have reached this level.

That singular act has resulted in hundreds of people being killed, farms were taken over; it has wiped away a lot of the positive achievements of the government.”(Wole Soyinka)

Femi Segun

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Jul 15, 2019, 7:43:03 AM7/15/19
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Again ogbeni Alagba Kadiri,
You have the right to be the Myetti Allah representative and Chukumereje's type of Minister of information on this Forum. But have you asked why this group of people, I mean the criminal element among them are the only one being singled out for this atrocity? 

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Salimonu Kadiri

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​Again Femi Segun, I implore you not to bear false witness. You should not base your judgment of people's behaviour on gossips or rumours. I love my neighbours as myself and by implication I love all human beings as myself. However, that does not mean I will condone the crime of any human being, if the victim of the crime is not a Nigerian. Right down in Nigeria, I can still remember how the English Colonialist stuck Merchant of Venice in our hands to read. Therein, we were indoctrinated with how the Jewish Shylock wanted to cut a pound of flesh near the heart of a debtor for repayment default. At that time we could not recognize a Jew if we met one, yet, through Merchant of Venice, we came to believe that the Jews are wicked people who could kill any human being because of money. Merchant of Venice was a fable just as the story Fulani herdsmen atrocities in Nigeria today. Like all ethnic groups in Nigeria, Fulani people also have criminals among them and as in all cases of crimes, the culprits must be arrested, identified, prosecuted and convicted in the court of law. Check these links for the illustration of false accusations against Fulani herdsmen. http://www.tori.lg/news/100533/fg-councillor-others-paraded-as-suspects-of-benue-killings.html  
The police on Tuesday paraded a serving councilor from Fidi Council Ward in Makurdi, Benue State, and seven others over their alleged involvement in the killings in some parts of the state.
​Before this parade, the killings in Benue were attributed to Fulani herdsmen. Earlier in 2018, there were series of armed robberies in Enugu State and Fulani herdsmen were blamed for the robberies. Later the Nigerian Police Force, Enugu Command, arrested a Deputy Superintendent of Prisons in the Nigerian Prisons Service (NPS), Mr. Collins Ugwu for alleged involvement in armed robbery. Mr. Ugwu was residing permanently in Abuja where he worked at the headquarters of the NPS. He was arrested in Enugu on 26 June 2018, with suspected accomplices, Ifeanyi Ozor, a native of Enugu also resident in Abuja and Smart Osetu from Oguta in Imo State. https://www.tori.ng/news/100317/deputy-superintendent-of-prisons-arrested-for-armed-robbery.html  
A Deputy Superintendent of Prisons in the Nigerian Prisons Service, has been apprehended by the Nigerian Police in Enugu for involvement in armed robbery.
​When the killings in Plateau State towards the end of June 2018 were said to have been admitted by Miyetti Allah as a revenge mission by a section of the Nigerian media, the online Nigerian Vanguard reported that Operation Safe Haven had arrested 28 people concerning the killings in Plateau State. The Media Officer of the Operation, Major Adam Umar and the Police Public Relations Officer Mathias Tyopev referred to the arrested persons as criminals and not herdsmen. Isn't it mythical to you, if not an insulting to commonsense, that a herder grazing cows on the roadside committed murder and ran into the bush with his cows un-apprehended? Well, I am not a Minister of information on this forum and I do not participate in forum's discussions in order to be misinformed.
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Salimonu Kadiri

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​Chidi,
​With due respect to my learned professor emeritus, I wonder, with the cattle all over the place on lands occupied by force, how many battalions of soldiers will be needed by the occupiers of captured territories to defend themselves and their cattle? This is a question born out of reason and not out of emotion.

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Salimonu,
"Look at what’s happening today with the cattle all over the place, that’s a security issue which should never have reached this level.

That singular act has resulted in hundreds of people being killed, farms were taken over; it has wiped away a lot of the positive achievements of the government.”(Wole Soyinka)

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Kadiri presents  reports of "suspects", "alleged involvement",  which he is happy to describe as conclusive evidence that the alleged Fulani perpetrators are not guilty.

When he reads news describing "suspected Fulani herdsmen" he latches on to that to exonerate accused Fulani herdsmen.

From this tissue, he is able to conclude-

"Merchant of Venice was a fable just as the story Fulani herdsmen atrocities in Nigeria today. Like all ethnic groups in Nigeria, Fulani people also have criminals among them and as in all cases of crimes, the culprits must be arrested, identified, prosecuted and convicted in the court of law."
Kadiri.
Emphasis mine.  

It seems the facts are becoming so glaring and overwhelming for  even  a Kadiri to admit this, in addition to earlier admitting the inhumanity of Fulani pastoral nomadism destroying people's livelihoods,  bcs his stance since 2015 is that Fulani people are being framed.

The Fulani led government, however,  has not "arrested, identified, prosecuted and convicted in the court of law" these criminal Fulani even Kadiri admits  exists.

That is the core of the problem.

Are there no guilty Fulani?

Is some one else committing these crimes?

Are the various international terrorism and conflict monitoring agencies describing Fulani militia as among the top four in the world deluded?

Why is Buhari silent on the threat from a Northern coalition that Southern governors must accept RUGA within 30 days or face expulsion of Southerners from the North?

What are the implications of that?

Does it not suggest an agenda involving the non-apprehension of those guilty Fulani?

Fela-"sorrow, tears and blood"-may the house not burn as some dispute the colour of the fire. 

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Alagba Kadiri.

I certainly agree with you as part of the literati that The Merchant of Venice is an antisemitic text that diminished the greatness of the Royal Bard. 

In the same vein the demonization of the Fulani seem to be taking a notoriety similar to the demonization of the Jews during Shakespeare's time.

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​Chidi,
​With due respect to my learned professor emeritus, I wonder, with the cattle all over the place on lands occupied by force, how many battalions of soldiers will be needed by the occupiers of captured territories to defend themselves and their cattle? This is a question born out of reason and not out of emotion.

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Salimonu,
"Look at what’s happening today with the cattle all over the place, that’s a security issue which should never have reached this level.

That singular act has resulted in hundreds of people being killed, farms were taken over; it has wiped away a lot of the positive achievements of the government.”(Wole Soyinka)

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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Kadiri's disclosures include ethnic unrests in Plateau state in which the perpetrators included but not limited to the Fulani.

What Toyin Adepoju wants obviously is to limit all atrocities to the fulani alone to fit in with his prejudicial procrustean thesis.


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Kadiri presents  reports of "suspects", "alleged involvement",  which he is happy to describe as conclusive evidence that the alleged Fulani perpetrators are not guilty.

When he reads news describing "suspected Fulani herdsmen" he latches on to that to exonerate accused Fulani herdsmen.

From this tissue, he is able to conclude-

"Merchant of Venice was a fable just as the story Fulani herdsmen atrocities in Nigeria today. Like all ethnic groups in Nigeria, Fulani people also have criminals among them and as in all cases of crimes, the culprits must be arrested, identified, prosecuted and convicted in the court of law."
Kadiri.
Emphasis mine.  

It seems the facts are becoming so glaring and overwhelming for  even  a Kadiri to admit this, in addition to earlier admitting the inhumanity of Fulani pastoral nomadism destroying people's livelihoods,  bcs his stance since 2015 is that Fulani people are being framed.

The Fulani led government, however,  has not "arrested, identified, prosecuted and convicted in the court of law" these criminal Fulani even Kadiri admits  exists.

That is the core of the problem.

Are there no guilty Fulani?

Is some one else committing these crimes?

Are the various international terrorism and conflict monitoring agencies describing Fulani militia as among the top four in the world deluded?

Why is Buhari silent on the threat from a Northern coalition that Southern governors must accept RUGA within 30 days or face expulsion of Southerners from the North?

What are the implications of that?

Does it not suggest an agenda involving the non-apprehension of those guilty Fulani?

Fela-"sorrow, tears and blood"-may the house not burn as some dispute the colour of the fire. 

toyin




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Salimonu Kadiri

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​Thank you Olayinka Agbetuyi for the added fact. There seems ​to be proliferation of schizophrenia in Nigeria at moment. As psychiatrists and psychologists say, the symptoms of schizophrenia include, hallucinations i.e. hearing or seeing things that do not exist, and delusions i.e. believing in things that are untrue. Hallucinations and delusions are often referred to as psychotic symptoms or symptoms of psychosis. Psychosis is a stage where someone is incapable of distinguishing between reality and his/her imagination. Only a schizophrenic will assume that a criminal can go on kidnapping or robbery expedition in the company of a flock cows and disappear un-arrested.
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Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM

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There is a new class of criminal elements in Nigeria who Kidnap for ransom, kill and maim people with the purpose of grabbing their lands for cattle grazing, etc. This new class of criminals are Fulani militiamen, who are also herdsmen.

CAO.

Femi Segun

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Alagba Kadiri,
Thank you for your response and the evidences that you have provided.
But you should also know that when faced with the choice of promotion
or demotion or transfer to some remote places, where returns are bad,
our Policemen can parade just anybody for just any offense. I leave
that there. However, I am writing this from my countryside in Ondo
State where I had branched to see my aged mother after a conference
trip to Abuja, Nigeria. I have talked to farmers and have listened to
the tales of how these herdsmen that you claim are saints have
consistently destroyed their farms. Cows eat up farm products and when
confronted they threaten to kill and sometimes even cut people with
matchets. If you want me to send pictures to you I can go the extra
mile of going to the farm to do this. Is this normal in an environment
where food security remains a challenge? I engaged the Kabiyesi till
late in the evening yesterday. He told me of their helplessness and
how the whole place has been surrounded and that if there is any war
between the Yorubas here and the herdsmen today, the latter will
easily run over the former. He told me about how the Police DPO in
Oke-Agbe, the local government headquarters lack the gut to take on
the Fulanis because of the powerful Myetti Allah Association with
connections in high places. He further told me that contrary to what
obtained in the past where Bororo people live in makeshift huts just
to stay and feed their cattle during dry season, they now have
permanent structures in some of the farms. I told him the option is
not to fold arms and surrender to these marauders as that will mean
that the future of the community is mortgaged. I have started a series
of consultations on how to address this existential threat to my
people. It is fine for you to continue to pontificate, rationalse and
exonerate the merchants of destruction for whatever reason. You can
also doubt the veracity of what I have just narrated here as you do of
others. That notwithstanding, we will continue to point out that a
President who got elected on the platform of a Pan-Nigerian mandate
has decided to privilege a minority group over others in the name of
ethnic partisanship and religious zealotry. If IPOB can be declared a
terrorist organisation without necessarily serving as threats to
anybody other than advocating for the rights of their people, I
wonder why the President still keep mute on the Fulani herdsmen and
the incontrovertible danger that they have posed to the peace,
economic survival and human security of the various parts of Nigeria
where they continue to wreck havoc unabashedly.

On 7/15/19, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ​Again Femi Segun, I implore you not to bear false witness. You should not
> base your judgment of people's behaviour on gossips or rumours. I love my
> neighbours as myself and by implication I love all human beings as myself.
> However, that does not mean I will condone the crime of any human being, if
> the victim of the crime is not a Nigerian. Right down in Nigeria, I can
> still remember how the English Colonialist stuck Merchant of Venice in our
> hands to read. Therein, we were indoctrinated with how the Jewish Shylock
> wanted to cut a pound of flesh near the heart of a debtor for repayment
> default. At that time we could not recognize a Jew if we met one, yet,
> through Merchant of Venice, we came to believe that the Jews are wicked
> people who could kill any human being because of money. Merchant of Venice
> was a fable just as the story Fulani herdsmen atrocities in Nigeria today.
> Like all ethnic groups in Nigeria, Fulani people also have criminals among
> them and as in all cases of crimes, the culprits must be arrested,
> identified, prosecuted and convicted in the court of law. Check these links
> for the illustration of false accusations against Fulani herdsmen.
> http://www.tori.lg/news/100533/fg-councillor-others-paraded-as-suspects-of-benue-killings.html<http://www.tori.ng/news/100533/fg-councillor-others-paraded-as-suspects-of-benue-killings.html>
> [https://www.tori.ng/userfiles/thumb/2018/jul/04/bb/b_100533.jpg]<http://www.tori.ng/news/100533/fg-councillor-others-paraded-as-suspects-of-benue-killings.html>
> LG Councillor, Others Paraded As Suspects Of Benue Killings
> (Photos)<http://www.tori.ng/news/100533/fg-councillor-others-paraded-as-suspects-of-benue-killings.html>
> The police on Tuesday paraded a serving councilor from Fidi Council Ward in
> Makurdi, Benue State, and seven others over their alleged involvement in the
> killings in some parts of the state.
> www.tori.ng
> ​Before this parade, the killings in Benue were attributed to Fulani
> herdsmen. Earlier in 2018, there were series of armed robberies in Enugu
> State and Fulani herdsmen were blamed for the robberies. Later the Nigerian
> Police Force, Enugu Command, arrested a Deputy Superintendent of Prisons in
> the Nigerian Prisons Service (NPS), Mr. Collins Ugwu for alleged involvement
> in armed robbery. Mr. Ugwu was residing permanently in Abuja where he worked
> at the headquarters of the NPS. He was arrested in Enugu on 26 June 2018,
> with suspected accomplices, Ifeanyi Ozor, a native of Enugu also resident in
> Abuja and Smart Osetu from Oguta in Imo State.
> https://www.tori.ng/news/100317/deputy-superintendent-of-prisons-arrested-for-armed-robbery.html
> [https://www.tori.ng/userfiles/thumb/2018/jul/02/bb/b_100317.jpg]<https://www.tori.ng/news/100317/deputy-superintendent-of-prisons-arrested-for-armed-robbery.html>
> Deputy Superintendent Of Prisons Arrested For Armed Robbery In Enugu
> (Photo)<https://www.tori.ng/news/100317/deputy-superintendent-of-prisons-arrested-for-armed-robbery.html>
> [https://cdn.punchng.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/13234033/Ibadan-Ife-Road.jpg]<https://punchng.com/chilling-experiences-of-motorists-travellers-on-kidnapper-prone-highways/>
> Chilling experiences of motorists, travellers on kidnapper-prone highways –
> Punch
> Newspapers<https://punchng.com/chilling-experiences-of-motorists-travellers-on-kidnapper-prone-highways/>
> Kidnappings on some highways across the country have reached a crescendo.
> CHUKWUDI AKASIKE and SIMON UTEBOR capture the shocking stories of some
> victims of this vicious crime Throughout the night ...
> punchng.com<http://punchng.com>
> S. Kadiri
>
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Oga Femi Segun:

They say a picture says more than a thousand words.  If you took pictures of the farms you were discussing with farmers it would go a king way in conveying the extent of destruction or even one or two in situ pictures of the herdsmen.

If the FG set up the NTLP and various committee have been working on it including the technical committee headed by Ebonyi governor I cannot see how the President can be accused of keeping mute over the herdsmen issue.  Its because the Presidency acknowledged that the issue has gone beyond the Bororo state that the NTLP was set up.  In civilian administrations things do not always happen with immediate alacrity and I made this cautionary note at the inception of this administration.

Yes cattle herding is a business and there is the cattle lobby the best place to go is write the Assembly members at both State and Federal level and make them accountable for what is going on in those communities.  It will be their duty to make both the Governors and Mr President ( or their representatives) accountable.  And that is how democracy works.


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> ​Again Femi Segun, I implore you not to bear false witness. You should not
> base your judgment of people's behaviour on gossips or rumours. I love my
> neighbours as myself and by implication I love all human beings as myself.
> However, that does not mean I will condone the crime of any human being, if
> the victim of the crime is not a Nigerian. Right down in Nigeria, I can
> still remember how the English Colonialist stuck Merchant of Venice in our
> hands to read. Therein, we were indoctrinated with how the Jewish Shylock
> wanted to cut a pound of flesh near the heart of a debtor for repayment
> default. At that time we could not recognize a Jew if we met one, yet,
> through Merchant of Venice, we came to believe that the Jews are wicked
> people who could kill any human being because of money. Merchant of Venice
> was a fable just as the story Fulani herdsmen atrocities in Nigeria today.
> Like all ethnic groups in Nigeria, Fulani people also have criminals among
> them and as in all cases of crimes, the culprits must be arrested,
> identified, prosecuted and convicted in the court of law. Check these links
> for the illustration of false accusations against Fulani herdsmen.
> LG Councillor, Others Paraded As Suspects Of Benue Killings

> The police on Tuesday paraded a serving councilor from Fidi Council Ward in
> Makurdi, Benue State, and seven others over their alleged involvement in the
> killings in some parts of the state.
> www.tori.ng
> ​Before this parade, the killings in Benue were attributed to Fulani
> herdsmen. Earlier in 2018, there were series of armed robberies in Enugu
> State and Fulani herdsmen were blamed for the robberies. Later the Nigerian
> Police Force, Enugu Command, arrested a Deputy Superintendent of Prisons in
> the Nigerian Prisons Service (NPS), Mr. Collins Ugwu for alleged involvement
> in armed robbery. Mr. Ugwu was residing permanently in Abuja where he worked
> at the headquarters of the NPS. He was arrested in Enugu on 26 June 2018,
> with suspected accomplices, Ifeanyi Ozor, a native of Enugu also resident in
> Abuja and Smart Osetu from Oguta in Imo State.
> https://www.tori.ng/news/100317/deputy-superintendent-of-prisons-arrested-for-armed-robbery.html

> Deputy Superintendent Of Prisons Arrested For Armed Robbery In Enugu

> Chilling experiences of motorists, travellers on kidnapper-prone highways –
> Punch

> Kidnappings on some highways across the country have reached a crescendo.
> CHUKWUDI AKASIKE and SIMON UTEBOR capture the shocking stories of some
> victims of this vicious crime Throughout the night ...

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There are many pictures and news reports online of farm devastation, murders  and massacre by Fulani herdsmen.

Its inhuman to keep asking for more.

A Google search for 'Fulani herdsmen' brings up the litany of evil, in words and pictures.

The Buhari govt has busied itself with rewarding the herdsmen with the lands of other Nigerians, while letting them keep up their massacre culture.

That is the best that has been done.

A group of people is committing murder and massacre and land annexation across the nation.

Their kinsman in Aso Rock either ignores or further empowers them and someone counsels- 
"the best place to go is write the Assembly members at both State and Federal level and make them accountable for what is going on in those communities.  It will be their duty to make both the Governors and Mr President ( or their representatives) accountable.  And that is how democracy works.' 

Emphases mine.

It is attitudes like that lead to the eruption of long simmering rage.

Things are steadily moving to a breaking point.

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​Praise be to the Creator of Character, Vincent Adepoju. There is no need for sloganeering and obnoxious propaganda. Google cannot sought out fake news, that you know very well. I challenge you to show an authentic picture, just one, of devastated farm, murdered and massacred people by Fulani herdsmen and in which locality in Nigeria.

​By virtue of Land Use Act, land ownership in Nigeria is vested in the hand of the Governor of the State who is empowered to grant or refuse Certificate of Occupancy (CFO) to any applicant. Therefore, it must be out of your total ignorance of the constitutional provision about the Land Use Act or, perhaps more appropriate,  out of your pathological aversion for Buhari and his ethnic Fulani people that made you to assert that, "The Buhari govt has busied itself with rewarding the herdsmen with the lands of other Nigerians, while letting them keep to their massacre culture." Where in Nigeria has Buhari's government rewarded herdsmen with the lands of other Nigerians? By the way, do you know that the Governor is the Chief Security Officer of the State and that each State in Nigeria has a Security Vote running to billions of Naira per budget year and which is not remitable? That tells you that if herdsmen should constitute security threat in any State, the government of the State is empowered under the Constitution and the judicial system to arrest and prosecute such herdsmen.
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Have we not got past the point  of demands for pictures of the atrocities of Fulani herdsmen?

That was the demand from those who were determined to ignore the reality  when the escalation in their activities began in 2015.

We have reached the point at which the Ooni of Ife, the Alaafin of Oyo, Areonakakanfo of Yorubaland and other figures across the country are declaring the South and Middle Belt have had more than enough of the bloody imperialism of this group. Ex-head of state Olusegun Obasanjo has even coined a term to describe the vision they represent-Fulanisation. Cardinal Okogie has reinforced Obasanjo's characterization and has made it more explicit by describing "Fulanisation" and Islamisation, which Obasanjo also mentioned, as unified through the synergy between Fulani herdsmen and Boko Haram.

Suggesting that the situation has reached a breaking point, even such a dedicated centrist and one Nigeria dedicate, an avowed anti-ethnic profiling figure such as Toyin Falola has called for community self arming by Yoruba civilian defense groups such as OPC to remove the self declared imperialists from their occupation of Yoruba soil.

What Falola has urged was long before urged by ex minster of defense T.Y. Danjuma to the Middle Belt, if they did not want to face extinction, he declared.

Well before Danjuma and Falola's declaration, Ekiti state governor Ayodele Fayose had created an armed group in his state, strengthened by an anti-open grazing law, to protect the state against the marauders.

Detailed presentations from such international terrorism and conflict watch agencies as the Global  Terrorism Index have tracked the carnage wrought by Fulani miltia across the years, listing their various attacks and the number of casualties,  describing them as among the deadliest terrorist groups in the world.

The latest is that SE governors are urging the Fulani herdsmen to obey the call by  Northern elders group to come home, so that, as the SE governors state, they can reflect on the carnage they have become associated with.

In the midst of this decisively unfolding scenario someone is playing the old card of "I challenge you to show an authentic picture, just one, of devastated farm, murdered and massacred people by Fulani herdsmen and in which locality in Nigeria"?

We have been on this debate on this group since the 2015 Agatu massacre by these characters.  Recently, Cornelius, your co-traveler, suggested I could be working for international agents who want to destabilize Nigeria.

Yet, all these individuals and bodies who are crying out about Fulani herdsmen's terrorism dont even know  Toyin Adepoju. .

The entire country is like a swollen boil about to be lanced as cries rise from East to South to West to North and you are still in your 2015 position?

What is the point of arguing with a person who insists its not raining even though he is drenched?

Social media debates  have their value but framed in certain ways, their value becomes questionable.

I'm responding to this and at such length partly it helps me relax from demanding work. It has become a kind of grim recreation.

What is there to prove about this reality? The accumulation of manure is so high that everyone is smelling it.

Gradually, the nation wide strong arming of Nigerians by the efforts of the Hausa-Fulani headed state security services arresting people protecting themselves agst the horrors perpetrated by Fulani herdsmen, the disarming of the Benue people and the criminalizing of governor Ortom's efforts to arm a group of rangers with guns like Fayose did in Ekiti, after which the murderous herdsmen persisted in their bloodletting as the min of defense and the IGP blamed the victims for the continued massacre, the failure of Enugu state governor's efforts to prevent the Nimbo massacre by assembling security agents who left the scene before the herdsmen militia eventually struck, El-Rufai's paying off of murderous herdsmen in Kaduna state- all these techniques of nation wide intimidation  orchestrated by the Fulani led fed govt as Miyetti Allah openly flaunt themselves as a wing of Buhari's govt, have brought the situation to a boil.

Cattle colonies, RUGA, any effort to establish ranches for Fulani herdsmen in the south and middle belt, whether coined as as a national livestock scheme or whatever, are all the same ploy, the only outcome of all deliberations by the Buhari govt.

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​There are many pictures and news reports online of farm devastation, murders and massacre by Fulani herdsmen - Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, 17 July 2019

​A google search for 'Fulani herdsmen' brings up the litany of evil, in words and pictures - Olwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, 17 July 2019.

​The Buhari govt has busied itself with rewarding the herdsmen with the lands of other Nigerians, why letting them keep up their massacre culture - Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, 17 July 2019.

​I challenge you to show an authentic picture, just one, of devastated farm, murdered and massacred people by Fulani herdsmen and in which locality in Nigeria - Salimonu Kadiri, 17 July 2019.

​Where in Nigeria has Buhari's government rewarded herdsmen with the lands of other Nigerians in view of the Constitutional Land Use Act enactment that places land ownership in each State under the State's government - Salimonu Kadiri?, 17 July 2019.

​​My challenge and question to you were responded to as if you were under the influence of overdose of ethnic Viagra "Have we not got past the point of demands for pictures of the atrocities of Fulani herdsmen? That was the demand from those who were determined to ignore the reality when the escalation in their activities began in 2015 - Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, 18 July 2019." If you have passed the point of demands for pictures of the atrocities of Fulani herdsmen, why were you referring to news and reports of their atrocities as evidence 24 hours earlier? Your failure to produce evidence of farm devastation, murders and massacres by Fulani herdsmen depends on hallucination and delusion.

​In the absence of any real evidence, you have reeled out names of those who share your belief in 'Fulani terror, and 'war of land occupation' (Fulanisation) in Nigeria, to counter my demand for evidence to prove the guilt of the Fulani. Well, it appears as if  you are counselling me to eat shit because millions of flies eat shit without any adverse effect on them. I beg to dis-incline. No amount of malicious propaganda against the Fulani herdsmen will make me believe that they can wage wars of occupation of a territory accompanied by hundreds of cows. The case of Agatu that you mentioned it has since been proved to be a fracas between livestock guards turned cattle rustlers and permanent resident, Tiv speaking, Fulani herdsmen in Agatu.
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,

You hate those in authority in Nigeria – put there by a democratic ballot. You hate them, their ethnic identity, their religion, their cows.

I'm sorry about the recurring nightmare of “Northern Hegemony!” that you wake up from every morning, and that your daydreams are even worse than your nightmares as you are not in control of them either when your eyes are wide open and you are conscious and hallucinating. You have yet to take a snapshot of a Fulani herdsman, armed and dangerous – just one – the very sight of whom you’d most probably pee in your trousers as you run for cover. I mean the very sight of a real Fulani herdsman.

Yes, you hate those in authority in Nigeria – put there by a democratic ballot.

Because of your abiding hatred for Islam and for Muslims, Presidential Brother Muhammadu Buhari is the chief target of your malicious hatred. We all know that as far as you are concerned the Sultan of Sokoto and His Eminence the Emir of Kano whose shoelaces you are not fit to untie, are not only also Fulani but by virtue of their faith are Mr. President’s fellow travelers, and of course, this has only increased your hatred.

Who do you think is being referred to here?

“In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie!” (Al-Quran)

You could also refrain from misquoting others/ taking cover behind other people. Could you please point out to us where Professor Falola has said in so many words about the objects of your hatred, that he would like “to remove the self declared imperialists from their occupation of Yoruba soil.”?

And where did I “suggest” that you“could be working for international agents who want to destabilize Nigeria.”? Not even Cornelius Ignoramus or Simple Simon himself could have made such a cowardly suggestion! If anything I would be absolutely sure of what I’m saying and in that certainty would prefer to take the bull, the cow or you by the horns and tell you bluntly that in your very words and deeds you - you yourself - you are a bone fide agent who is hell-bent in dismembering Nigeria - not only advocating that separation in your every word and deed but also praying for the violent dissolution of the country which is at this point still being held together, welded together as it were, by Nigeria’s Holy Constitution – which as Baba Kadiri has pointed out to you a couple of times now, guarantees our much-vilified Fulani Brethren, the herdsmen and you too, the right to roam the open country.

Nuff said.

I leave you to the tender mercies of Baba Kadiri

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Cornelius and Kadiri,

Its rather late in this history for this histrionics.

I am very capable of responding line by line to the games you are playing.

But the stakes have risen beyond such games. 

Eye witness reports indicate the country has been taken over by kidnappers and terrorists, identified by eye witness reports as Fulani.

I will be sharing such news reports and information charting how the country tries to persuade Buhari to deal with the carnage.

As I do that, you can keep questioning the information and claiming to be unaware of the nation wide outcry.


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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,

Histrionics? Really? An Honourable Yoruba man like me? Maybe, you still don’t understand the occult meaning of that word and that’s why you are miss-applying it to Cornelius Adebayo.

Are you not the one who is hysterical?

I'm enjoying the whole show, anyway, no malice, no hatred in my heart, ( no hatred lives there) enjoying the hustle and bustle, and your more than occasional little tittle-tattle. Understandably, with passionate Islamophobia and fear of the Fulani as a constant, you do have your permanent interests, therefore your permanent ax to grind, and hence the everlasting bickering when reasonableness and Fairplay take a back seat as you up the ante with feeble displays of outrage and a feeble, wordy barrage of hostilities aimed mostly at Brother Buhari, Baba Kadiri, Miyetti Allah and their allies.

Is it true that you imagine your feeble hostilities/ your effete words are strengthened by a mega-dose of what the Baba refers to as your supremacist “ethenic viagra”?

And me?

I love the theatre.

Really.

I love Hubert Ogunde, Ola Rotimi and Wole Soyinka.

Histrionics is an innate characteristic of blue-blood Englishmen such as Stephen Fry ( in his case verbal histrionics – it’s in his DNA and it's a national characteristic. Bottoms up! I warmly recommend his “More Fool Me”) and John Cleese whose autobiography “So, Anyway” I happen to be reading at the moment.

Histrionics only applies to true-blood Englishmen and to people like Tony Adepoju and Donald J Trump of course, always horsing around, centre-stage, like the great, big, giant American colossus he is.

But when it comes to “cool, calm and collected”, there’s no one who fits the description better than my Baba Kadiri, in real life, both mentally, physically and emotionally. He is calm even when he’s angry, whereas, I am not. We are to suppose that as a firm believer in a united Nigeria, the subject matter of this thread may be particularly important to him, after all, he comes from Ondo. I talked to him, this evening...

The Brits got that streak – the gift of histrionics from a very early age, enacting, first King Arthur, then William the Conqueror, followed by Robin Hood and His Merry Men with Friar Tuck to pray for them all at the venue, Sherwood Forest, and shortly thereafter William Shakespeare ( oratorical roles from Richard 111, Henry V, etc) and from Christopher Marlowe in the playground, at a time when their American counterparts were probably playing mostly cowboys and Indian ( Jesse James, Wyatt Earp, Buffalo Bill, Billy the Kid, Wild Bill Hickok, John Wesley Hardin, Hopalong Cassidy. Edo man, you may request Professor Harrow to confirm this, if like Unbelieving Thomas, you don’t believe me.

But back to the scallywag basics, scallywag or if you so prefer, your imperial, monomaniacal, hysterical, impy majesty! You boast that you are “very capable” and I hope that in saying so, you are not mistaking me or Baba Kadiri for Juicy Lucy. I'm sure that she is “very capable“ too. And Baba Kadiri and Yours Truly, are we not also capable, even without your ethnic viagra? Or do you think that we are only “capable” but not “ very capable”? That we are less capable or incapable for any kind of rumble in the jungle?

So, when you are not joking, you want Nigerians and the rest of the world to believe what you believe is your Parthian shot that should silence the rest of us this feeble repetition of what you have already said a dozen times before :

“Eye witness reports indicate the country has been taken over by kidnappers and terrorists, identified by eye witness reports as Fulani.”

You want us to believe that all the criminals that have been active in Nigeria since time immemorial leaving their fingerprints everywhere, the trademark bank robberies, armed robberies, murders, the rapists, cattle rustlers, pedophile priests, kidnappers, extortionists from the East, from the West, from the deep South, that they are all of Fulani ethnicity, of Fulani ethnicity only, and of course they are the people you don't love the most: Muslims?

I notice that you have not reacted to this item that I posted, yesterday :

BBC: Fulani leaders call on herdsmen to leave Southern Nigeria

It should be interesting to hear your response to this call. For me, it presages events that will likely take place at a later date ( we have been there before with all kinds of tit-for-tat). Maybe, you and some of your kith and kin will also make a clarion call to some of your tribes living in peace and tranquility in the “Far North” to also return home to the south to where they believe that they belong. And then what?

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​Illiteracy is not when one has never seen the four corner-walls of a school classroom, but when ones sense of reasoning is shrouded in hatred for his or her fellow human beings. Normal Nigerians know that not all Fulani are herders and most Fulani herders are not criminals just as not all Edo people are voodoo human traffickers, if we are to infer. What is well-documented is that when it comes to stealing of public funds by public officials in Nigeria, there is neither marginalisation nor ethnic discrimination. As we now see it, cross-ethnic public funds robbers have caused the deprived and impoverished Nigerians to become armed robbers, kidnappers and cattle rustlers. Fulani herdsmen are themselves victims of armed robbers known as cattle rustlers all over Nigeria but Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju and his acolytes are attributing all crimes in Nigeria to Fulani herdsmen. As the campaign of calumny against Fulani herdsmen reached the highest point, the Northern Elders Forum chaired by Professor Ango Abdullahi asked all Fulani herdsmen in Southern Nigeria to return to the North so as to avoid being lynched.  

​That caused Southern and Middle Belt Leaders Forum (SMBLF) to write to NEF and stated among other things, "The Southern and Middle Belt communities have not said fellow Nigerians from the North cannot do business in their areas. This is why we endorsed ranching for cattle business and those who are interested should purchase land from the States. What we are opposed to is creating Federal Cattle Territories in States in the name of RUGA.
We want to emphasise that at no time did the governors and leaders of Southern Nigeria object to or declare war against the Northern Fulani herdsmen who have lived with us for many years." The document was signed by Edwin Clark, South-South leader; Nnia Nwodo, President General, Ohaneze Ndi-Igbo; Pa Ayo Adebanjo, Afenifere leader; and Dr. Pogu Bitrus, President General, Middle Belt Forum. http://www.saharareporters.com/2019/07/17/ruga-adebanjo-nwodo-knock-ango-abdullahi-over-calls-northerners-leave-south-urge/ 
It is agreed by all that Fulani herdsmen have been in the Southern States Communities for decades practising their stone age culture of wondering hundred kilometres daily with their cattle in search of grazing fodders in the wild growing forest. Apart from clashes with farmers, the Federal and States' governments have realised that nomadic pastoralism is archaic, cruel to human beings and animals. That is why the Federal and States' governments have agreed on ranching and not RUGA as confirmed by Southern and Middle Belt Leaders Forum. Only fascists would subscribe to the idea of ejecting Fulani herdsmen that have lived in the South for decades back to no where in the North. And despite Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju's non-named eye witness reporters that Fulani herdsmen have taken over Nigeria through kidnapping and terrorism, there are public accounts of how former governors of Benue State, Akume and Suswam built kidnapping empire in the State. http://www.saharareporters.com/2019/07/19/exclusive-how-akume-suswam-built-kidnapping-empire-benue-state/ You are not required to respond line by line as it would be enough to respond to specific questions.
S. Kadiri

 


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