Get Up! Stand Up!! Prophet Marley in Munich, 1980

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Toyin Falola

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Marley wasn’t a preacher man and was not pushing any particular religion. He was secular for the most part and a revolutionary to a large extent. That was the reason for his appeal. I recall how surprised I was to hear his music blasting in a Moroccan bazaar, in the 1980s.

By the way, it would be interesting to know if he had some impact  on China with a population of about a billion atheists and agnostics,  if some estimates are correct. Deng Xiaoping’s reforms were in the 1970s  during Marley’s  musical
ascendancy but  controls were still in place so my guess is that the impact was minimal.

Keeping this discussion list secular is really  important for maintaining 
scholarly interaction.

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Prophet is not used in religious terms!

If you say that something will happen, and it does, you are prophetic.

And notice that Sunday is not just for Christians---a subtext.

Second time you will miss the subtext!!!

TF

OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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GE.

Marley favoured Rastafarianism with the dreadlocks as the outward symbolic manifestations of that religion. 

In fact he popularised that religion and hairstyle across the globe.  That religion is associated with viewing marijuana smoking as medicinal on account of which many Jamaican young men had grown schizophrenic over the decades. 

Rastafarians located their utimate spiritual leader in the late Emperor Haile Selasie of Ethiopia, the Lion of Judah, who reigned while Marley was alive and was descendant of biblical Queen of Sheba  ( whose country's undefeated resistance to colonialism represented the hope for African resurgence from colonialism and emancipation from bondage of South Africa,  Zimbabwe and Angola.  He championed the freedom of these countries  in his lyrics. This led to the fantastic albums 'Uprising' and 'Survival' The track 'MPLA' was dedicated to one of the freedom fighter parties in Angola.

In his masterpiece 'Rat Race'

He countered the notion that he was an undercover CIA agent by singing

   'Rasta do'nt work for no CIA'

He also titled one album
'Rastaman Vibration' with a title track of that name.

Marley perfectly walked the tight rope between secularism and religion.

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I used “Prophet” for Marley in a secularist term, to mean a person whose words can be immortal or can come to pass. I can say that Steve Biko was a prophet but not in an evangelical term.

The use of English allows us to do this.

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GE.

 

Marley favoured Rastafarianism with the dreadlocks as the outward symbolic manifestations of that religion. 

 

In fact he popularised that religion and hairstyle across the globe.  That religion is associated with viewing marijuana smoking as medicinal on account of which many Jamaican young men had grown schizophrenic over the decades. 

 

Rastafarians located their utimate spiritual leader in the late Emperor Haile Selasie of Ethiopia, the Lion of Judah, who reigned while Marley was alive and was descendant of biblical Queen of Sheba  ( whose country's undefeated resistance to colonialism represented the hope for African resurgence from colonialism and emancipation from bondage of South Africa,  Zimbabwe and Angola.  He championed the freedom of these countries  in his lyrics. This led to the fantastic albums 'Uprising' and 'Survival' The track 'MPLA' was dedicated to one of the freedom fighter parties in Angola.

 

In his masterpiece 'Rat Race'

 

He countered the notion that he was an undercover CIA agent by singing

 

   'Rasta do'nt work for no CIA'

 

He also titled one album

'Rastaman Vibration' with a title track of that name.

 

Marley perfectly walked the tight rope between secularism and religion.

 

OAA

 

 

 

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OA
You have a point - if you consider Rastafarianism to be a religion.
I defer to the sociologists, philosophers and theologians here.

GE


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Marley answers the call of prophet in both senses.  His decolonizing lyrics in actuality prophetically came true!

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BOB MARLEY would have asked the NEW AFRICAN DIASPORA TO DO RESEARCH ON CONDITIONS AT  THE ROOT OF THE HIGH  LEVELS OF DEATH FROM COVEID-19 BY AFRICAN-AMERICANS. THIS WOULD HELP TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE AFRICAN UNION TO SPEAK UP FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR SOCIO-ECONOMIC AND MEDICAL CONDITIONS. A SITUATION IN WHICH PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL ENCOURAGE HIS ''SUPPORT BASE'' AMONG WHITE RACISTS TO CELEBRATE AND /OR IGNORE THE CARNAGE AMONG AFRICAN-AMERICANS BUT MAKE SYMBOLIC GESTURES OF FRIENDSHIP WITH AFRICAN COUNTRIES MUST NOT BENEFIT FROM YOUR SILENCE.

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Well let me kill three birds with one stone, so to speak. First of all, to OA who has assumed rather  too confidently that marijuana causes schizophrenia.
But what if it is the other way around, namely, that some folks with schizophrenia use marijuana as a coping mechanism and a therapeutic device? 


Distinguishing the evangelical and secularist use of the term prophet is helpful. 

As for the disproportionate percentage of African American  deaths to Covid 19, mentioned by the poetic Ocello Ocelli, the following comes to mind, granted that it relates to a segment of the AA population, and not the whole:


1.  Lack of access to sound affordable medical care in normal times, and the dismantling of Obama’s health care initiative.

2. Inherited dietary deficiencies  and practices - perpetuated by the fast food chains, low income, and decades of inattention to obesity generating foods.

3.  Excessive exposure to Covid-19 in nursing homes - and jobs as CNA  workers, hospital aides, 
delivery etc. - that are detrimental in the era  of Covid 19. High -paid medics and nurses are also at risk.

4. Crowded residential areas,  in densely populated  cities that preclude social distancing procedures.

5. A narcissistic President, slow to act in securing protective gear
for exposed individuals - believed to be outside loyalist voter -catchment zones.

6.  Blind faith, crowded churches -that initially defied social distancing measures. 

We  all  have to guard against the covert  eugenical use of Covid 19 by politicians - worldwide.

GE





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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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GE:

What do you think caused   the prevalence of such schizophrenia among Blacks of West Indian and African American ( some of my African American students) origins in the first place?  The same is true of visitors to Fela' shrine with whom I shared dormitories in Nigeria,  which was why some educated parents warned against following his music.

2. I have a mature student who works in the care industry, originally from the West Indies who confirmed my fears and is in fact doing study on the trend at the moment.

3. I have seen white ladies who use the drugs who were balanced mentally  about a decade or two ago with recreational use,  but progressively got worse with addictive use.

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Well let me kill three birds with one stone, so to speak. First of all, to OA who has assumed rather  too confidently that marijuana causes schizophrenia.
But what if it is the other way around, namely, that some folks with schizophrenia use marijuana as a coping mechanism and a therapeutic device? 


Distinguishing the evangelical and secularist use of the term prophet is helpful. 

As for the disproportionate percentage of African American  deaths to Covid 19, mentioned by the poetic Ocello Ocelli, the following comes to mind, granted that it relates to a segment of the AA population, and not the whole:


1.  Lack of access to sound affordable medical care in normal times, and the dismantling of Obama’s health care initiative.

2. Inherited dietary deficiencies  and practices - perpetuated by the fast food chains, low income, and decades of inattention to obesity generating foods.

3.  Excessive exposure to Covid-19 in nursing homes - and jobs as CNA  workers, hospital aides, 
delivery etc. - that are detrimental in the era  of Covid 19. High -paid medics and nurses are also at risk.

4. Crowded residential areas,  in densely populated  cities that preclude social distancing procedures.

5. A narcissistic President, slow to act in securing protective gear
for exposed individuals - believed to be outside loyalist voter -catchment zones.

6.  Blind faith, crowded churches -that initially defied social distancing measures. 

We  all  have to guard against the covert  eugenical use of Covid 19 by politicians - worldwide.

GE





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OA, 
You are engaged in crude stereotyping, unless you can present some  demographic figures demonstrating  marijuana - derived schizophrenia in a large percentage of the Jamaican population - beyond the twenty  persons that you met in your lifetime, so far.  

That medical marijuana is used to cure brain disorders , seizures etc has been scientifically proven.

 By the way I cringe whenever I hear the word “West Indies”, another silly term inherited from European adventurers. The place is not West of India or the Indies. “Caribbean “ makes more sense since it was in reality the land of the Caribs (and Arawaks). “Jamaica” is ok, descending linguistically from the indigenous term Xaymaca.

But lest Moses accused me of diversionary tactics, let me go back to the main issue of marijuana usage.

The use of marijuana for asthmatic relief is proven. The correlation between schizophrenia and marijuana is yet to be proven and even if it were to pass the test, we will have to talk about proportional usage, and so on, given the fact that excessive use of anything including water, can pose a problem. 

In real life I  do not drink or smoke
alcohol, tobacco, marijuana,  or similar substances ( and I go to neither the church or the mosque) but that does not give me the right to promote unproven stereotypes.

GE



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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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GE:

Proportional usage yes but also suitability.

There is nothing I did not experiment with my youth groups but hard drug. I KNOW if I crossed that line it would be a  journey of no return yet I had a close Youth Corper friend from Rivers State who regularly used marijuana with no visible effects  and closely interrogated him on it.

It suited his system very well.  Fine!  Others just one use and they would never be normal again.

Trust me GE I am not stereotyping. The Caribbean lady doing the study is not stereotyping. She grew up over there and came to the UK within the last decade went back for her daughters college graduation in Jamaica last October. I dont have figures because I have not done a formal study but believe me my experience is far more than twenty people and spans three continents over four decades.  It is fairly accurate. 

Yes there is medical use for marijuana.  But as we all know there is a host of drugs used that have damaging side effects and these effects vary from person to person.

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OA, 
You are engaged in crude stereotyping, unless you can present some  demographic figures demonstrating  marijuana - derived schizophrenia in a large percentage of the Jamaican population - beyond the twenty  persons that you met in your lifetime, so far.  

That medical marijuana is used to cure brain disorders , seizures etc has been scientifically proven.

 By the way I cringe whenever I hear the word “West Indies”, another silly term inherited from European adventurers. The place is not West of India or the Indies. “Caribbean “ makes more sense since it was in reality the land of the Caribs (and Arawaks). “Jamaica” is ok, descending linguistically from the indigenous term Xaymaca.

But lest Moses accused me of diversionary tactics, let me go back to the main issue of marijuana usage.

The use of marijuana for asthmatic relief is proven. The correlation between schizophrenia and marijuana is yet to be proven and even if it were to pass the test, we will have to talk about proportional usage, and so on, given the fact that excessive use of anything including water, can pose a problem. 

In real life I  do not drink or smoke
alcohol, tobacco, marijuana,  or similar substances ( and I go to neither the church or the mosque) but that does not give me the right to promote unproven stereotypes.

GE



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Is there a non-crude type of stereotyping?

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It is normally useless to wade into someone’s stereotyping of any people and expect that they will see the error of their ways, so I won’t try.

 

Just to note that I work regularly in Jamaica and if I use your same “method” of observation over time, I reach completely different conclusions.  As an ethnographic researcher, I am well practiced in identifying and separating my biases from actual observed activity on the ground (a plug for Grounded Theory).   Over the past decade of my research in Jamaica, I would observe that it is more the norm for Jamaicans to either not smoke marijuana on the scale that you imply or to not smoke it at all. While I do see the occasional Rasta men gathered under the shade of trees in the afternoon for a smoke; they don’t spend their whole day in it.  In fact Rasta practitioners, who I interviewed to trace African traditional medicine practices, informed me that it is their use of medicinal herbs for ailments and good health (roots) and strict vegetarian food practices that make up the foundation of their lifestyle.  Many of my colleagues in Jamaica, Rasta or not, have maintained these same traditional medicinal practices from generation to generation.   Perhaps the researcher you know has not learned how to conduct proper research or perhaps is a victim of her own internalized oppression and cannot see beyond it.  Anyone with sense, would likely agree that the overuse of any drug leads to problems; so perhaps, in fairness, she is only looking at extreme cases and not the norm.

 

These are just observations; but what I hear you describe is what most Jamaicans I interview and live and work with, attribute to tourist behaviors. Your “Marley in Munich” that conjures up images of fans and Jamaican tourists, alike, often copy the iconic, commercialized parts of Marley that are attributed to Jamaican culture, like smoking and dreadlocks, but have no idea that many Jamaican traditions are health conscience and Afrocentric in their practice and maintenance.

 

One Love,

Jamaine

 

 

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Many thanks for this reassuring post.

 I’m a faithful follower of Rasta Kitchen and right now my supply of the hibiscus flower ( for tea) is getting low,  has dwindled  down to about only half a kilo remaining and there’s no way I can get some more during this lockdown….

Brethren, meditation, love and harmony, positive thinking, exercise, good food, good music, less stress, easy breathing keeps the geriatric-ism at bay…


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i can't believe, dear OA, you believe that propaganda against marijuana. in the 60s and 70s, everyone i knew smoked dope. there was one person who had a negative  mental reaction, which tells us about him and not the millions of others. it was vilified, no doubt, by the liquor industry and mainstream conservatives. now it is almost old fashioned, but common enough.
maybe if you drank enough coca cola you'd find someone with a bad reaction. but marijuana was innocuous. i understand it is now more potent, and have no opinion on what impact that might have.
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Let us end with those wise concluding remarks of yours but if you think that stereotyping is only confined to 
People from outside a culture group or a geographical space, I have the Brooklyn Bridge and the whole of New York City to sell you.

By the way it is the African American Lewis Latimer, 1848 - 1928, who invented the filament for the light bulb.

GE

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Jamaine:

Thank you very much for your informed intervention.

I know for a fact that Jamaicans and Rastafarians do not ALL glorify and use marijuana.  Not even in the diaspora.  I also know that most of the Caribbean diasporans in the UK and most African Americans who are disproportionately represented in US jails due to violent crime have drug problems and many with schizophrenia have drugs at the roots of their ailments.

I will return to my Jamaican informant who has been trying to get in touch for the past hour to schedule a teaching appointment after sending this post.

No she has no problems of internalized oppression.  You must know how hard it would be to oppress a Jamaican woman to put it rather mildly.  She is highly responsible.  She has excellent research skills.  But we really are talking of common undeniable knowledge here.

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It is normally useless to wade into someone’s stereotyping of any people and expect that they will see the error of their ways, so I won’t try.

 

Just to note that I work regularly in Jamaica and if I use your same “method” of observation over time, I reach completely different conclusions.  As an ethnographic researcher, I am well practiced in identifying and separating my biases from actual observed activity on the ground (a plug for Grounded Theory).   Over the past decade of my research in Jamaica, I would observe that it is more the norm for Jamaicans to either not smoke marijuana on the scale that you imply or to not smoke it at all. While I do see the occasional Rasta men gathered under the shade of trees in the afternoon for a smoke; they don’t spend their whole day in it.  In fact Rasta practitioners, who I interviewed to trace African traditional medicine practices, informed me that it is their use of medicinal herbs for ailments and good health (roots) and strict vegetarian food practices that make up the foundation of their lifestyle.  Many of my colleagues in Jamaica, Rasta or not, have maintained these same traditional medicinal practices from generation to generation.   Perhaps the researcher you know has not learned how to conduct proper research or perhaps is a victim of her own internalized oppression and cannot see beyond it.  Anyone with sense, would likely agree that the overuse of any drug leads to problems; so perhaps, in fairness, she is only looking at extreme cases and not the norm.

 

These are just observations; but what I hear you describe is what most Jamaicans I interview and live and work with, attribute to tourist behaviors. Your “Marley in Munich” that conjures up images of fans and Jamaican tourists, alike, often copy the iconic, commercialized parts of Marley that are attributed to Jamaican culture, like smoking and dreadlocks, but have no idea that many Jamaican traditions are health conscience and Afrocentric in their practice and maintenance.

 

One Love,

Jamaine

 

 

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It is that one person that has the MENTAL reaction that Iam talking about. Extrapolate that into millions of population.  We dont know who that 'one' person could be.  

It could be me judged by my reaction when I experimented with cigarettes. Since my late teenage years ( till today)  I could work and stay focused for up to sixteen hours at a time.  If I take three or four puffs of cigarette( we are not talking of a whole stick here) I am useless, listless and tired for the rest of the day.

No one asked me to stop!

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i can't believe, dear OA, you believe that propaganda against marijuana. in the 60s and 70s, everyone i knew smoked dope. there was one person who had a negative  mental reaction, which tells us about him and not the millions of others. it was vilified, no doubt, by the liquor industry and mainstream conservatives. now it is almost old fashioned, but common enough.
maybe if you drank enough coca cola you'd find someone with a bad reaction. but marijuana was innocuous. i understand it is now more potent, and have no opinion on what impact that might have.
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So most of the African Americans in jails in the US are there due to violent crimes? Have you taken a survey?There you go again with crude  stereotyping.

“You must know how hard it would be to suppress a Jamaican woman....” he says. Are Jamaican women made of stone?

Sir, I suggest that you disentangle your  job interviewing  process from social media to ensure confidentiality and professionalism.



GE






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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Were they in jail because of housing shortage in the wider community or because they were all framed?

OAA



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So most of the African Americans in jails in the US are there due to violent crimes? Have you taken a survey?There you go again with crude  stereotyping.

“You must know how hard it would be to suppress a Jamaican woman....” he says. Are Jamaican women made of stone?

Sir, I suggest that you disentangle your  job interviewing  process from social media to ensure confidentiality and professionalism.



GE





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America’s prison industrial complex and  the structural, political and economic  underpinnings of mass incarceration has been a major topic in the media and the academy.

Refresh your memory with Michelle Alexander’s “Jim Crow“ and you can view Ava DuVernay’s 2016 film, “13th” for starters. Then there is our own professor of criminology, Biko Agozino who can direct you to some of his articles in this field.

Simplistic explanations are never acceptable.

 Covid19 is bringing to the fore various aspects of  the Justice/Injustice system, so expect a range of works on the subject.

Since ex- prisoners lose their right to vote in several  US states, you can anticipate the implications of this phenomenon for the 2020 presidential election.

GE

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GE.  

Im perfectly aware of all these things you have listed here so its like preaching to the choir  here.  That does not mean we must not speak truth to power and avoid emotional overflow.

No.  I dont have to go re- reading over and over again what I already know and taught. Remember I taught at both predominantly white and predominantly  Black institutions in America.

I have had a Black student on probation from jail given a chance to re- integrate himself into learning, spent a few weeks, disappeared from classes. Later in the semester I was spending a weekend break with my friend when lo his face came on the screen:  robbed a Pizza Hut shop at gun point.  Was he not given another chance?  Yet he CHOSE to go back in for a longer sentence. 

 In his class I had Black law abiding students from various backgrounds. Children of judges. Low income, law abiding and non drug using and humble students.

I believe in Biko's cited Du Bois who cautioned against Black self- inflicted difficulties and not stereotyped Black essentialisms.

I have taught Jim Crow and other topics in class.  Post Civil Right generations have better chances.  We have had Civil Rights Congressman John Lewis come to talk to our students.

It is fellow Black students who would draw my attention to other students who were taking undue advantage of situations.  I have gone well past the defensive stage of teaching and scholarship.


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America’s prison industrial complex and  the structural, political and economic  underpinnings of mass incarceration has been a major topic in the media and the academy.

Refresh your memory with Michelle Alexander’s “Jim Crow“ and you can view Ava DuVernay’s 2016 film, “13th” for starters. Then there is our own professor of criminology, Biko Agozino who can direct you to some of his articles in this field.

Simplistic explanations are never acceptable.

 Covid19 is bringing to the fore various aspects of  the Justice/Injustice system, so expect a range of works on the subject.

Since ex- prisoners lose their right to vote in several  US states, you can anticipate the implications of this phenomenon for the 2020 presidential election.

GE

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What is defensive about addressing your crude stereotypes?That you have taught in US institutions does not give you a free pass. 

How professional is it to discuss someone’s job application, or speculate on someone’s personal taxes, for that matter, in  an open forum like this?

Are we to assume that you are now the expert on  Jamaican women? There is always a danger in  transforming isolated personal experiences into general covering  laws. 

So you had fifty years of teaching in the US and another fifty in the U.K?  Nice - but that does  not make your prejudiced argument a sound one.

GE

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GE:

Why are you mixing unrelated issues?  Why would you lump the tax issue which was a rhetorical gesture with my lived experience which is more cogent than politicized researches?

My matter with Farooq is different.  You know its antecedents.  Why should it shape or influence our further discussions?

Have I ever demanded your tax details or that of any other person on this forum before?

I deal with people according to who THEY are.  Do you share the same traits with Farooq or is this a class action?

You shocked me with this response;  I have never hidden the fact from you that I hold your analytical skills in the highest regards but that does not mean we will agree on every issue.  Difference is natural.

I am not an expert on Jamaican women but trust me I have lived very close to them within the past thirty years to know them fairly well.

You see unlike the average intellectual who live most of their lives in the tame ivory tower mine is within the communities of the commonalities where I could feel their very pulses.  It is not exchangeable for the skills of the ethnographer whom communities can prepare for knowing full well they are coming to study them.  I relate to them in their natural habitat with their unadorned ways.

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What is defensive about addressing your crude stereotypes?That you have taught in US institutions does not give you a free pass. 

How professional is it to discuss someone’s job application, or speculate on someone’s personal taxes, for that matter, in  an open forum like this?

Are we to assume that you are now the expert on  Jamaican women? There is always a danger in  transforming isolated personal experiences into general covering  laws. 

So you had fifty years of teaching in the US and another fifty in the U.K?  Nice - but that does  not make your prejudiced argument a sound one.

GE

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“With their unadorned ways?”
That means what? 

Anyway let us call it a day at this point.

OA


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Dear Cornelius,

 

Rasta cooking is amazing!  Although I have to admit I throw in goat meat ever so often – it is as much a taste of Jamaica as it is Nigeria. 😉 A solid recipe for life.

 

Cheers,

Jamaine

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