Ramadan, Trust: Zain Ramadan
Toyin Falola
Zain Ramadan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIJB7cv97Dg
Trust
As an aspect of moral behavior, Islam demands trust at various levels:
- You must trust Allah and His messenger:
“Truly, We did offer al-Amaanah (the trust or moral responsibility or honesty and all the duties which Allah has ordained) to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they declined to bear it and were afraid of it. But man bore it. Verily, he was unjust and ignorant.”
- All other matters relating to religion, also covered by the above quote.
- Avoidance of things that may damage your thinking capacity.
- Keeping secret.
- Respect for signed and mutual contracts and financial obligations.
- The application of responsibility and truth to position of power and trust:
O Messenger of Allah, will you not appoint me (to a position of authority)? He struck me on the shoulder with his hand and said: “O Abu Dharr, you are weak and it is a trust, and on the Day of Resurrection it will be a source of humiliation and regret, except for the one who takes it and fulfils all obligations and does all duties required.
As you prepare for the Wednesday fasting—keeping faith, not breaking any, not skipping a day, remember the lada (blessing) that comes with it.
“There are four characteristics, whoever has them all is a pure hypocrite, and whoever has one of them has one of the characteristics of hypocrisy, until he gives it up: when he makes a covenant he betrays it, when he speaks he lies, when he makes a promise he breaks it, and when he disputes he resorts to obscene speech.”
Cornelius Hamelberg
Dear Sir,
Many thanks for reminding those who are fasting and those who are not about the responsibilities enjoined by Islam during the month of Ramadan and throughout the rest of the year. You are turning out to be a great Teacher of al -Islam and to you, I say, " Jazzak Allah Khairan!
As you sometimes lay out quotations without attributing the source of such quotations for the benefit of both Muslims and non-Muslims it should be good to remember that
The Quran is the most authoritative Book in Islam and that
Hadith “refers to what Muslims believe to be a record of the words, actions, and the silent approval of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad.”
To avoid any misunderstanding, in this your last posting there are three quotations.
The second quotation; “ O Messenger of Allah, will you not appoint me (to a position of authority)? He struck me on the shoulder with his hand and said: "TO Abu Dharr, you are weak and it is a trust, and on the Day of Resurrection it will be a source of humiliation and regret, except for the one who takes it and fulfill all obligations and does all duties required.” Is a from a Book of Hadith known as Sahih Muslim)
The third quotation, the admonition beginning “ There are four characteristics, whoever has them all is a pure hypocrite, and whoever has one of them has one of the characteristics of hypocrisy, until he gives it up; is actually also a hadith - from a book of Hadith known as Sahih al-Bukhari
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I suppose that some of the Muslims listen to music after they break their fast.
The only problem I encounter in Islam is about music ( I mean real music) : I have no problem with the kind of music that is permissible and the kind that is haram; but that there is a hadith that says an angel does not enter the home of someone who has a stringed instrument at home - my problem: Maybe my “nafs”, I have two acoustic Spanish Guitars at home, one of them quite expensive and also a violin…
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Sir:
I know all the sources! Some have written to me in private and I give it ti them within the split of a second. There are many pedagogical styles, and in preaching you follow a flowing style; in disputations, you follow sources and affirmation style. I have done both, in this moment of peace.
My job, for now, is to elevate the minds:
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and. cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee. that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Must I add Matthew 5: 30?
In the music series, the Ramadan series, and the Sunday meditation, my intention is to let people seek peace, be restful, minimize the tensions brought by the pandemic. It is a lot of work for me, but it is energizing.
There is a time for arguments in later season:
For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven. A time to be born and a time to die. A time to plant and a time to harvest. A time to kill and a time to heal.
Don’t I know the source? Yes I do.
Is it necessary, No.
If needed, Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.
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Many thanks for reminding those who are fasting and those who are not about the responsibilities enjoined by Islam during the month of Ramadan and throughout the rest of the year. You are turning out to be a great Teacher of al -Islam and to you, I say, " Jazzak Allah Khairan!
As you sometimes lay out quotations without attributing the source of such quotations for the benefit of both Muslims and non-Muslims it should be good to remember that
The Quran is the most authoritative Book in Islam and that
Hadith “refers to what Muslims believe to be a record of the words, actions, and the silent approval of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad.”
To avoid any misunderstanding, in this your last posting there are three quotations.
The second quotation; “ O Messenger of Allah, will you not appoint me (to a position of authority)? He struck me on the shoulder with his hand and said: "TO Abu Dharr, you are weak and it is a trust, and on the Day of Resurrection it will be a source of humiliation and regret, except for the one who takes it and fulfill all obligations and does all duties required.” Is a from a Book of Hadith known as Sahih Muslim)
The third quotation, the admonition beginning “ There are four characteristics, whoever has them all is a pure hypocrite, and whoever has one of them has one of the characteristics of hypocrisy, until he gives it up; is actually also a hadith - from a book of Hadith known as Sahih al-Bukhari
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I suppose that some of the Muslims listen to music after they break their fast.
The only problem I encounter in Islam is about music ( I mean real music) : I have no problem with the kind of music that is permissible and the kind that is haram; but that there is a hadith that says an angel does not enter the home of someone who has a stringed instrument at home - my problem: Maybe my “nafs”, I have two acoustic Spanish Guitars at home, one of them quite expensive and also a violin…
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I know all the sources! Some have written to me in private and I give it ti them within the split of a second. There are many pedagogical styles, and in preaching you follow a flowing style; in disputations, you follow sources and affirmation style. I have done both, in this moment of peace.
My job, for now, is to elevate the minds:
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and. cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee. that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Must I add Matthew 5: 30?
In the music series, the Ramadan series, and the Sunday meditation, my intention is to let people seek peace, be restful, minimize the tensions brought by the pandemic. It is a lot of work for me, but it is energizing.
There is a time for arguments in later season:
For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven. A time to be born and a time to die. A time to plant and a time to harvest. A time to kill and a time to heal.
Don’t I know the source? Yes I do.
Is it necessary, No.
If needed, Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.
TF
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Dear Sir,
According to the great religion of al Islam a man’s actions are judged by his niyat – his intentions and you have purposely declared that for now your job in this Ramadan series your lofty intention “is to elevate the minds” and that altogether “ In the music series, the Ramadan series, and the Sunday meditation, (your) intention is to let people seek peace, be restful, minimize the tensions brought by the pandemic.“
You are obviously thoroughly enjoying the dunya music etc. Once again, I can only congratulate you “ Ramadan Kareem” and “ JazakAllah Khairan! ( May Allah richly reward you…
My own intention was only to point out to the general, non-Muslim who follows your posts, that the Quran is the incontestable word of Allah and that the Quran is to be distinguished from the Hadith ( the collected traditions with their chains of transmission of which there are various kinds, ranging from the Sahih to some of the spurious) – so that someone does not unknowingly attribute some unsourced advice to the Quran when no matter how elevated, or elevating is not from the Quran.
About sourcing, it should be sufficient to say “Quran” or “Hadith” to avoid any confusions.
Many thanks, all the same - The Almighty is the Knower of Hearts.
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Today, the 14th of May is the 20th of Iyar, 5780 in the Hebrew Calendar and this evening it’s the 36th day of counting the Omer
Again, great thanks to Professor Toyin Falola, because, no matter what you say, he has/and is raising our consciousness that this is the Month of mercy according to the Islamic calendar.
Today the 14th of May is the 22nd Day of the month of Ramadan and Laylatul Qadr is any night now…
My own definition of a Muslim is the one who prays five times a day…
Indeed, one lives to learn (some earn their living/ yearly wage teaching others what they learned) and for some of us in the former category one thing always leads to another and gratuitously – we are at least grateful that we were served this hadith on hypocrisy:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever has the following four (characteristics) will be a pure hypocrite and whoever has one of the following four characteristics will have one characteristic of hypocrisy unless and until he gives it up.
1. Whenever he is entrusted, he betrays.
2. Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie.
3. Whenever he makes a covenant, he proves treacherous.
4. Whenever he quarrels, he behaves in a very imprudent, evil and insulting manner."
There’s actually a whole chapter in the Quran, the 63rd chapter titled Al-Munafiqun ( The Hypocrites)
The term hypocrisy in conjunction with the Torah takes me back unmistakably to notes to Leviticus 11. Verses 3 – 8 (about forbidden food) - and in passing - whereas in Islam the camel is halal food, in Judaism, the camel is not kosher, but in both religions the pig/ pork is forbidden food and the Torah notes to the definition of hypocrite corresponds very closely to the characteristics of the hypocrite in the Islamic hadith. Let’s suppose then that the hypocrite’s credentials are universal (smile)
Leviticus 11: 3 – 8:
3. Any animal that has a cloven hoof that is completely split into double hooves, and which brings up its cud that one you may eat.
4. But these you shall not eat among those that bring up the cud and those that have a cloven hoof: the camel, because it brings up its cud, but does not have a [completely] cloven hoof; it is unclean for you.
5. And the hyrax, because it brings up its cud, but will not have a [completely] cloven hoof; it is unclean for you;
6. And the hare, because it brings up its cud, but does not have a [completely] cloven hoof; it is unclean for you;
7. And the pig, because it has a cloven hoof that is completely split, but will not regurgitate its cud; it is unclean for you.
8. You shall not eat of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.
Pages 598 – 599 of the Stone Edition Chumash notes:
“The next four verses give cases of animals that are forbidden because they have only one of the two required signs of kashrus. Homiletically, Kil Yakar notes that in listing the non-kosher animals the Torah first gives the kosher sign, instead of simply explaining that the animal is not kosher because of the sign it lacks. This suggests that the presence of a single kosher sign makes it worse. The presence of one sign symbolizes hypocritical people of who always try to publicize their occasional good deeds or virtuous traits, instead of concentrating on eliminating their shortcomings. It is such dishonesty that stamps them as “non-kosher”
This concept has entered the Yiddish idiom which describes the hypocrite as a “chazzer Fissel”, or “pig’s foot”, because the pig tends to lie on the ground with its feet forward, displaying its cloven hooves as if to mislead onlookers into thinking that it is kosher.”
I checked Pa Google: Torah : Hypocrisy and got an ominous 666,000 hits
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Dear Ken,
Shalom.
Of course, I agree with you entirely.
I know that Hashem is a very jealous God and that He has decreed in the Second of the Commandants received by Moses and the 600, 000 souls assembled at the foot of Mt. Sinai:
“You shall have no other Gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, nor any manner of likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them. For I the Lord your G‑d am a jealous G‑d, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children of the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me, and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments!
I keep in mind it’s different strokes for different folks and assuming that some Christian missionaries have not gone and corrupted the Southern Australian Aborigines’ philosophical concept of their God, known as “Atnatu” (He-who-does-not need- to-go-to-the toilet) or messed up their minds by preaching a” foreign” philosophy and corrupting the youth ( like Socrates) they are still worshipping their own Supreme Being ( their One and Only)
You are very generous, expansive, tolerant, big-hearted about my narrow definition. My former teacher Adl Hamza (eloquent Egyptian) and I have had numerous discussions with him - in fact we boarded the plane to Egypt together) well, he used to tell me that “A Muslim is one who does not tell lies” - but he did not and does not like the Shia, so I suspect that what he was indirectly pointing at in his own polite & diplomatic way was the Shia and the Shia practise of taqiyya and kitman which I suppose he views as a form of “ lying” - albeit a form of “ lying” which Rousseau gives categorical approval in that his 13 circumstances in which it is “permissible to lie.
If Islam means Submission and the obligatory five-times-a-day-prayer is one of the pillars of their Islam can the Muslim ( so-called) who does not pray be rightly called a Muslim? Maybe, there’s no reason to get excited about “Muslim” being defined as one who prays five times a day, as a good Muslim should, because there are “Muslims” who don’t pray – which I don’t suppose means that they are going to hell for non-compliance with one of the pillars of Sunni Islam. And should a Muslim so-called who does not pray, does not fast during the month of Ramadan, does not pay zakat when he should, and does not go on pilgrimage to Mecca even when he can afford to do so, should such a person in good conscience still consider himself a Muslim? I agree that he should, in as far as he says and in his heart, he believes the Shahada. However, that belief in the shahada could, of course, impel him to submission.
In my view the most important verse in the Surah al Munafiqun ( The Hypocrites) is the 9th ayah :
“O ye who believe! Let not your wealth nor your children distract you from remembrance of Allah. Those who do so, they are the losers.”
The same clear advice is given in Surah Al-An'am ayat : 91 -92 :
“And they did not appraise Allah with true appraisal when they said, " Allah did not reveal to a human being anything." Say, "Who revealed the Scripture that Moses brought as light and guidance to the people? You [Jews] make it into pages, disclosing [some of] it and concealing much. And you were taught that which you knew not - neither you nor your fathers." Say, " Allah." Then leave them in their [empty] discourse, amusing themselves.
And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their prayers.”
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I hope that this simple message will get through the holy or not so holy filter of his eminence the moderator of this forum, since he is tolerant enough to permit some choice obscenities from his special doves ( there are more than enough examples in the archives) but three times now I have tried to get a simple posting through, simple, innocuous, slightly funny – no bad word or words but he must be in another mind space, territorial or existential black hole - no worries, that's just a little piece of nothing, I have my own blog, there’s even Facebook where I can paste an infinitely jazzed up version that Professor Falola thinks is either heretical ( from the point of view of the mortal throne or chair on which he’s sitting ) or has some other reason or reasons this month of Ramadan. I detest such pettiness.
This is just a slight aside because I can’t just let this slip through without voicing a reaction to what Professor Harrow says here – his personal opinion of course, that there are those who
“worship the virgin mary, mohammed, moses…”
I don’t know about the other two (Moses and Mary) but I should just like to make an exception for the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad Ibn Abdallah, salallahu alaihi wa salaam:
Does Professor Harrow know anybody, just one, who worships the prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam?
This reminds me of the days of the Rushdie Affair: some wrote a very Islamophobic letter to Dagens Nyheter claiming that Muslims were worshipping Ayatollah Khomeini. I wrote a very terse rejoinder to that, went all the way to the Dagens Nyheter headquarters with it ( I couldn’t see the chief editor Arne Ruth - his secretary Beata was my next-door neighbour – I couldn’t see her either – they must have been out to lunch, but I went through my letter with one of the sub-editors and he assured me that my reply would be published the next day. It never happened.
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Dear Kenneth,
I’m no pedant that’s why I’m sorry that I have to belabour this point, that there is no Muslim in the world that - as you say (possibly?) prays to the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam!
Islam’s strict monotheism as expressed in Surah Ikhlas which every Muslim knows by heart guarantees that they do not and cannot deify any prophet including Jesus /Isa (alaihi salaam) , who Muslims believe is the Jewish Messiah and a prophet of Islam.
Which does not mean that there is no practice of tawassul // wasilah // prayers of intercession in Islam.
When it comes to the worship of Muslim saints – beyond simple veneration (of e.g. Oga Falola // Imam Falola) - the actual worship as we find in some Maraboutism and Sufism, I am in essential sympathy with the Salafi and Wahhabism which in strict accord with an uncompromising interpretation and understanding of Islamic Monotheism, outlaws the worship of Sufi saints and Marabouts.
As you may have noticed, I don’t say anything about Christianism ( that Jesus is God and Mary is His Mother) or about the Jews who seek intercession through in Djerba ( where my pepper comes from)
Shabbat Shalom!
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Muhammad the supreme creation
Popular legend declares that Muhammad is the reason for the very existence of the world, for as Allah has no needs (Ibrahim 14:8) he did not create the world for himself, but rather the world and al-Jannah were created for Muhammad. Muslims obtain al-Jannah because of Muhammad and therefore they should read durood sharif in abundance and pronounce blessings upon him. The following is related concerning Adam.
“Who is Muhammad?” asked Allah. Adam replied When you created me I saw the words : La Illallah Muhammad -ur-Rasullah written on the throne of Allah Almighty and since then I realised the Holy prophet Muhammad is the supreme creation of yours because I saw his name alongside yours.” Then the reply came back “He is to be the last of all the prophets, and will be your descendent. If he were not to be created, you would not have been created.”
It is asserted that the high status of Muhammad, which is mentioned in the book of Barnabas was removed from the Bible three hundred years before his birth. This book of Barnabas affirms the Muslim belief that the world was created for Muhammad in the following way: “…. God said: Wait Muhammad, for thy sake I will create Paradise, the world and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, in so much that who shall bless thee shall be blessed, and who shall curse thee shall be cursed……….”
On the basis of suspect hadiths and a spurious gospel those who follow Popular Islam believe everything they have, has been given by the Almighty because of Muhammad. This legend of Muhammad has transformed Muhammad from being an ordinary man to the greatest of all God’s creation, whose essence was the first thing God ever generated and from which all angels, prophets, saints and mortals were formed.
https://www.message4muslims.org.uk/muhammad/veneration-of-muhammad/
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Dear Kenneth,
No Muslim believes that the Prophet of Islam is Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala
Islam seeks to wipe out idolatry, polytheism, and notions such as the holy trinity
A couple of times In this very forum you have referred to Hallaj Mansur who at various times in an elevated/ intoxicated Sufi state of insobriety identified himself as “Anal Haq” ( I am the truth/ I am God) - and it’s not that he was quoting Jesus ( “ I am the way, the truth, and the life “, He who has seen the Father has seen Me” “The son of God” etc) nor was he considered to be writing mere poetry or doing some wishful thinking – for which reason he was executed by the language police and for which we can safely assume that in similar circumstances, Jesus would have been executed at the behest of the same fanatics.
I trust that you should be the first to admit that there’s a world of difference between praying to the prophet of Islam and wishing blessings on him, which is what the durood sharif and the salawat is all about.
As you say, you believe that “ cornelius wants to put the qu'ran in the lead here; i would do the opposite, and say the hadith really define the beliefs and actions of the adherents.”
You are quite right: Cornelius puts the Quran in the lead here: in Islam, there’s the primacy of the Quran! It is the Quran, as necessary, complemented by the Sahih hadith and of course, common sense.
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala has promised to protect and preserve the Quran - and as we all know, Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is the One who does not break His promise. There is this magnificent and reassuring verse in the Quran ( Surah Al-Maidah ayat 3 :
“Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swineflesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
Indeed, Satan and his friends are in despair of harming al Islam, but they are trying as best as they can. Along with Islamophobia, there’s an evil propaganda war being waged against Islam on all fronts, not least of all using all manner of misinformation, inventing spurious hadiths, to distort, defame and disparage the religion, the infiltration of every known branch of Islam – including Sufism, and the creation of all kinds of devious and deviant groups ( divide and conquer) creating counterfeit philosophies, the creation, hijacking and weaponization of various jihadi groups, and of course the zillions of sites from which Ken can cite.
Verse 82 of the same Chapter Surah al- Maidah states that
“Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.” (Pickthall translation)
“You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.” (Sahih International)
By the way, The Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery as amply Q.E.D. demonstrated in The Gospel of Barnabas by David Sox
We are talking about ISLAM, so what’s wrong that the prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam, as you say, “is venerated and believed to be an intercessor, above all others.”? I don’t get it. Is that supposed to be evil? So “aisha, and mohammed's companions” are also supposed to be intercessors on the day of Judgement? I didn’t know that!
Light is a powerful, recurrent metaphor in Islam. The Quran is light, the prophet’s speech is light, the heavens is light, the truth is light …
In Iran’s transit in the Safavid period from being Sunni to Shia, there emerged the very first theologian I became acquainted with, namely, Mohammad-Baqer Majlesi who in the opening of his Midrash and his cosmological conception talks a lot about is the Noor-i-Muhammadi
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Harrow, Kenneth
kenneth harrow
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Salawat : Allahumma salli ala Muhammad wa ala aali Muhammad !
Correction:
It’s the Nur-i-Muhammadi ( not the noor-I- Muhammadi) Amazing how just a slight variant spelling can make such a huge difference.
Books by Mohammad-Baqer Majlesi
Before him, and also talking about the light: Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni
(I suppose that John would have stated it thus: in the beginning was the light, without climaxing with “and the light became flesh and dwelt amongst men” (smile)
Some time ago I finally learned a little of the folkloric Islam in Pakistan which has its own little traditions and even a few innocuous superstitions….
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More info Dear Kenneth,
No Muslim believes that the Prophet of Islam is Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala
Islam seeks to wipe out idolatry, polytheism, and notions such as the holy trinity
A couple of times In this very forum you have referred to Hallaj Mansur who at various times in an elevated/ intoxicated Sufi state of insobriety identified himself as “Anal Haq” ( I am the truth/ I am God) - and it’s not that he was quoting Jesus ( “ I am the way, the truth, and the life “, He who has seen the Father has seen Me” “The son of God” etc) nor was he considered to be writing mere poetry or doing some wishful thinking – for which reason he was executed by the language police and for which we can safely assume that in similar circumstances, Jesus would have been executed at the behest of the same fanatics.
I trust that you should be the first to admit that there’s a world of difference between praying to the prophet of Islam and wishing blessings on him, which is what the durood sharif and the salawat is all about.
As you say, you believe that “ cornelius wants to put the qu'ran in the lead here; i would do the opposite, and say the hadith really define the beliefs and actions of the adherents.”
You are quite right: Cornelius puts the Quran in the lead here: in Islam, there’s the primacy of the Quran! It is the Quran, as necessary, complemented by the Sahih hadith and of course, common sense.
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala has promised to protect and preserve the Quran - and as we all know, Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is the One who does not break His promise. There is this magnificent and reassuring verse in the Quran ( Surah Al-Maidah ayat 3 :
“Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swineflesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
Indeed, Satan and his friends are in despair of harming al Islam, but they are trying as best as they can. Along with Islamophobia, there’s an evil propaganda war being waged against Islam on all fronts, not least of all using all manner of misinformation, inventing spurious hadiths, to distort, defame and disparage the religion, the infiltration of every known branch of Islam – including Sufism, and the creation of all kinds of devious and deviant groups ( divide and conquer) creating counterfeit philosophies, the creation, hijacking and weaponization of various jihadi groups, and of course the zillions of sites from which Ken can cite.
Verse 82 of the same Chapter Surah al- Maidah states that
“Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.” (Pickthall translation)
“You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.” (Sahih International)
By the way, The Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery as amply Q.E.D. demonstrated in The Gospel of Barnabas by David Sox
We are talking about ISLAM, so what’s wrong that the prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam, as you say, “is venerated and believed to be an intercessor, above all others.”? I don’t get it. Is that supposed to be evil? So “aisha, and mohammed's companions” are also supposed to be intercessors on the day of Judgement? I didn’t know that!
Light is a powerful, recurrent metaphor in Islam. The Quran is light, the prophet’s speech is light, the heavens is light, the truth is light …
In Iran’s transit in the Safavid period from being Sunni to Shia, there emerged the very first theologian I became acquainted with, namely, Mohammad-Baqer Majlesi who in the opening of his Midrash and his cosmological conception talks a lot about is the Noor-i-Muhammadi
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Dear Ken,
Of course, a prophet (of God) is a very special human being. For one thing, he’s not going to hell.
re – “and pray to those marabouts”?
Who told you that there are Senegalese murids who “pray” to their marabouts?
You mean they do their salaat and make dua to their marabout/s?
C’mon Ken, that’s what they told you and you believe them? How could you a professor from the USA’s great M.I.T. be so gullible?
That’s the point that I have been making all along, that there is and there must be a line drawn between what we mean by veneration and what we mean by worship . Even the most most retarded Muslim disciple can surely make the distinction between God Almighty and his Sufi Sheikh who goes to the toilet to do “big and little business”? Between the Most Beneficent, Omniscient and Omnipotent God and his mortal prophet (S.A.W.) who is buried in Medina?
Someone kissing the bejewelled had of Pope Francis is not an act of worship? Or is it?
Someone kissed the feet of his girlfriend or his sheikh, is that an act of worship?
I still love this soothsayer’s invocation in Don Cherry’s Multikulti:
“I’ll talk to God for you” she says, “there’s nothing that I can’t do !”
From that to this sublime theological idea:
Noor-e-khuda Hai Husn-e-sarapa Rasool (The Light Of God Is The Embodiment Of The Prophet)
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Harrow, Kenneth
kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
Cornelius Hamelberg
Dear Kenneth,
I’m beginning to take your word for it. (The prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam is reported to have said of Abu Dharr al Gifari, “ There is no more truthful man under the sun than him”
Not that I disbelieve you or have ever disbelieved you, my reserve about what you say is based on the fact that you are an Oyibo ( not “coloured”) and since you are an academic and you don’t strike me as being like me ( one who can investigate life live and direct in the depths of the Ghetto ), you probably observe some things from a distance , not as a participant. (Malcolm X jokes about some gringos over there in Kenya asking some of the local Mau-Mau warriors if they were Mau -Mau. He asks how stupid can the gringo be? It’s like the FBI asking some terrorist-looking guys in New York, just after 911 (great Talibanic beards) if they are Al-Qaeda, or friends of Usama Bin Ladin. According to Malcolm, the Mau-Mau bros responded, rolling their big black eyes in their heads, “Mau -Mau? Boss, what’s that? I never heard about them, Boss!”
Having mentioned Talibanic beards, think: the myths that are still being built around d Mullah Omar the possessor of a cloak once worn by the Prophet of Islam, Sallallahu alaihi wa salaam!
As for me, I have never seen a mosque in Sierra Leone, Ghana, Liberia, Togo or Nigeria. Of course, it’s possible that I may have seen one or two without knowing that they were mosques. On the other hand, I have seen many a pub/ dinking parlour/chop bar/ hotel/ nightclub in the aforementioned countries and many mosques in the West, in Britain, Holland, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and of course in places like Turkey, Morocco and Egypt .
You have had close contacts with murids in Senegal. You’ve got stories to tell.
The idea that Sufi saints are very much alive in the consciousness of their devotees, was brought forcibly to my attention when I visited the shrine of Ahmad a- Badawi in Tanta – one of his devotees came busting in through the door and was shouting at the top of his voice, in some dialect of Arabic addressing the Sufi Saint as if he were alive: ” Ahmad Badawi! I have travelled hundreds of miles just to come and greet you! “
Venerated: Sheikh Ahmadou Bamba
In all fairness the Sufi Qutb/ Sheikh/ Saint/ Marabou humbly admits that it’s always a matter of
la hawla wala quwwata illabillah aliyil azeem
I once met a Marabout from Senegal (here in Stockholm). I was told that he was quite famous and hundreds of people came to see him, an equal number of men, the men probably asking for more success in their business, promotions at their job, more money, more wives, the women I was told wanting to land a good husband, and if he was already landed, then perhaps to build a big hotel in Banjul or in Dakar. When it was my turn to meet him, the first thing I saw was a jinni in the room moving around with a streak of blue light trailing him/ her/it. What could he do for me he asked me? I told him that I would also like to be an al Insan al Kamil ( I wasn’t being very humble was I ? Well, I was at least being honest at the time. Why ask for a few million when you can ask for thirteen trillion?) He asked me if that was all I wanted. I told him YES! He then asked if I didn’t want anything else. Such as what? Such as some improvements to my male member and its performance? I told him that it was OK. He asked me, “Strong like iron?” (You know that Swedish steel is strong enough) He insisted. Like iron? I relented. I was supposed to buy a white cloth, some rice which I was supposed to chew while standing on some piece of iron. I then realised that he was a combination of the medicine man and the witch doctor. The jinn was still floating around in the room when I left and there were still about twenty people in the waiting room in my friend Fabakry’s house, waiting to see him. Needless to say, flesh never acquired the hardness of iron, not even Swedish steel. Some poor chap who apparently did become iron had to be operated in the emergency room because he had taken too much Viagra he said, and that which went up ten hours had been refusing to come down ten hours later and he had been shuffering terribly. (Not funny)
To Lord Olayinka I just want to add that with regard to there is only one God, I once heard a rabbi questioning certain aspects of the Quranic revelation, with just this one question: “ Is that what the Angel Gabriel told him? “
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kenneth harrow
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Cornelius Hamelberg
The meeting with the Marabout was way back in 1987 and I remember the conflict vividly, just as this Cornelius is credited with having a phenomenal memory. The beauty of steel, especially Swedish steel is that it’s still shining its light in the areas of darkness. It’s known as stainless steel and, unlike iron, stainless steel does not rust.
The riddle was solved last night. I finally now understand that when I told the marabout that I wanted to be an al-insan al-kamil (a Perfect Man ) – in a very spiritual sense of course, he must have though that an awesome Rod of Moses or Aaron's rod is the very essence of manly perfection , and no doubt, that’s one of the items at the top of many men’s agenda when seeking consultations with him, for a nice fee, and of course, no man wants to spend his money for nothing?
In Africa, you want the Oyibo to be your good friend, you let him into some herbal secrets – ga-gai or cushusment – and you extract from him a vow of secrecy , that he should never divulge this secret knowledge to anyone, especially not to other Oyibos.
I had thought that at the very least the Marabout was going to say an al-Fatihah or two over me, pour some holy oil over my head and give me some spiritual exercises that I must do, not tell me that I should buy a few yards of white cotton to give to him and that I should go chew some rice while standing on a piece of iron…. to be lion, like iron in Zion
Our next task is how to be feeling like 50 years old by the time we are in our eighties. If the Marabout knew how, it would probably be expensive.
I wonder when they and the Pentecostal miracle workers are going to start performing their wonders…
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More info The meeting with the Marabout was way back in 1987 and I remember the conflict vividly, just as this Cornelius is credited with having a phenomenal memory. The beauty of steel, especially Swedish steel is that it’s still shining its light in the areas of darkness. It’s known as stainless steel and, unlike iron, stainless steel does not rust.
The riddle was solved last night. I finally now understand that when I told the marabout that I wanted to be an al-insan al-kamil (a Perfect Man ) – in a very spiritual sense of course, he must have though that an awesome Rod of Moses or Aaron's rod is the very essence of manly perfection , and no doubt, that’s one of the items at the top of many men’s agenda when seeking consultations with him, for a nice fee, and of course, no man wants to spend his money for nothing?
In Africa, you want the Oyibo to be your good friend, you let him into some herbal secrets – ga-gai or cushusment – and you extract from him a vow of secrecy , that he should never divulge this secret knowledge to anyone, especially not to other Oyibos.
I had thought that at the very least the Marabout was going to say an al-Fatihah or two over me, pour some holy oil over my head and give me some spiritual exercises that I must do, not tell me that I should buy a few yards of white cotton to give to him and that I should go chew some rice while standing on a piece of iron…. to be lion, like iron in Zion
Our next task is how to be feeling like 50 years old by the time we are in our eighties. If the Marabout knew how, it would probably be expensive.
I wonder when they and the Pentecostal miracle workers are going to start performing their wonders…
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Lord Agbetuyi,
Who said that the Ark was stolen by the Philistines?
It’s safe and sound and securely lodged somewhere within the borders of Israel.
As to your funny question (chutzpah?) no Sir, the Ark of Covenant is not the same size as Noah's ark , as you very well know.
I’ll enquire about you questions 2 & 3
This is supplementary to Imam Falola's Khutbahs on Tzedakah // Sadaqah :
Jesus on Giving to the Needy, Prayer, Fasting, Treasures in Heaven in The Gospel of Matthew Chapter 6
If I were to meet the same Marabout today, I would like to ask him, " Still going strong like Johnnie Walker? "
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More info Lord Agbetuyi,
Who said that the Ark was stolen by the Philistines?
It’s safe and sound and securely lodged somewhere within the borders of Israel.
As to your funny question (chutzpah?) no Sir, the Ark of Covenant is not the same size as Noah's ark , as you very well know.
I’ll enquire about you questions 2 & 3
This is supplementary to Imam Falola's Khutbahs on Tzedakah // Sadaqah :
Jesus on Giving to the Needy, Prayer, Fasting, Treasures in Heaven in The Gospel of Matthew Chapter 6
If I were to meet the same Marabout today, I would like to ask him, " Still going strong like Johnnie Walker? "
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Lord Agbetuyi,
Jesus wept!
Why do you enquire from an Am ha’aretz like me?
Methinks that thou ought to be asking someone like Lord Sacks these kinds of difficult questions, because he is probably authorised to answer them.
However, I can tell you that it’s not in Axum or anywhere near Ethiopia.
(I know that she’s roaring to go like a she-lion (lioness) but Lady Gloria should please hold her fire)
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This was perhaps why the western powers refused to aid Italy in annexing and colonizing the country in the name of introducing Christianity. Ethiopia was Christian before Rome! The contradiction would be too glaring.
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Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali,
You are perfectly right and it's exactly just as you say, " Cornelius is different. He is both Jew and Muslim simultaneously.I guess he admires them both. Nothing is wrong with that." I should just like to add that I admire you too.
I don’t know why anyone should worry about my personal relationship to God, the universe, the creation, womankind, mankind, nature, the sun, the stars, the moon…
If Jesus was as black and beautiful as Solomon or as blue as Lord Krishna, or as white as alabaster, does it really matter? Does anyone among us think - God forbid – that our Creator is a racist?
You may be in doubt, but I am not that I am fully under the command and control of Shema Yisrael which I say and have said morning and evening more than 99.99% of my days from 1995 till right now and , B'ezrat HaShem, I will continue to be a servant of Hashem until my last breath is breathed and hopefully, even after that in the Olam Ha-Ba
Cornelius has and must have his own secrets you know. But I’ll let you into the greatest secret of all: The heart is the location of the deepest and the sweetest and the most glorious and the most effulgent secret.
Consider: Jesus was Jewish. Does that make him more Catholic than the Pope?
The Pope for example must have his own secrets too. Who is more Catholic than the Pope?
The Gospel According to St. John says about Jesus, that “He came unto his own, and his own received him not. “
He (Jesus) even said “Don’t give to dogs what belongs to God. They will only turn and attack you. Don't throw pearls down in front of pigs. They will trample all over them.” ( Matthew 7:6)
Does quoting the so-called “New Testament “make me a Christian? The answer is up to you, but unlike the Muslims, I do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel or that he is a prophet of Israel.
Humble boast: I know many poems and some prose too (in a variety of languages) by heart. Does that make me a poet or a lover of poetry? I did not commit them to memory under any compulsion, and, as they say, the elephant has a good memory . Good. I know many Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist Scriptures by heart, as well as many surahs of the Quran. Does that make me Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Christina, Muslim? Do I pray five times a day? And if I quote Marx, am I a Marxist? What about Freud? Confucius? Voltaire? The Devil’s Dictionary? . I like his definition of “miscreant”
I love all Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims and anyone else that you would like to add to their numbers.
Bearing in mind that of Nigeria’s 200 million population, at least 100 million are Muslim, so what about Professor Falola who is doing an extraordinary job this Ramadan, using the language of the Quran, the language that the 100 million understand , and this Ramadan Season – a “month of mercy”, quoting heavily from the Quran and commenting on the texts that he quotes about a Muslim’s responsibilities to the Creator and also the Muslim’s civil and civic responsibilities, emphasising love, brotherliness, brotherhood, that the Quran is against arrogance, corruption, mismanagement of human and natural resources. Does that make him a Muslim? Is there a contradiction between Islam and any other religion with regard to laws against e.g. murder?
And if the cure for the Coronavirus is to be derived from a formula in the Quran or from some herbs that are found exclusively in Mecca, Madinah or Madagascar, who is going to refuse the cure? Prefer to die? By the way there’s the Black Seeds oil which is sold at the mosque and which boasts that “it can cure everything except death” ….
BTW, I strongly believe that Israel is going to be the first to come up with a cure for the virus and a vaccine against it , in spite of which or because of which some people are going to become even more anti-Semitic…
Claude Kayat’s Mohammed Cohen is worth taking a look at. So is the real-life one known as Muhammad Cohen . I am neither of those gestalts. The universal man ( old hat) is close to my ideal –culturally, something like the Harlem Renaissance is devoutly to be wished for, to see that kind of flowering in Africa now ( Oga Falola gives the impression that it’s actually underway when he gives his reviews of the music he’s posting this holy month of May) - and by universal ideal I mean approaching the King of Kings of all mankind who has commanded me to love Him with all my heart, and mind and soul and all the resources visible and invisible with which He has endowed us.
Now to the main point that I actually want to bring your attention to, and this question is addressed to everyone in this forum and beyond: This is not merely about pleading for
the return of art that was plundered from Africa and is now on display in Museums in the West
or
or
the apprehending, capture and trial of Nazi war criminals
We are talking about holiness. We all know that the Ark of the Covenant is Israel’s greatest national treasure, so. If it were true that the ark is in the Church of St. Mary’s in Ethiopia the questions are two:
1. What right do you think Ethiopia has to keep it, taking into consideration that fact that it does not belong to them?
2. Why do you think that the Israeli authorities would think that it’s OK for the Ethiopians to continue to be in possession of Israel’s Ark of the Covenant?
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This is a really great question Cornelius.
Cornelius Hamelberg
It’s the 26th Iyar 5780
Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali,
Remember, it's the Ark of the Covenant that we're talking about.
Let’s start with the first of your preposterous reasons. Perhaps a nutter like David Icke who is into " bloodlines" would readily agree with you
Now you are being too clever by half. I don’t know whether or not your “31st century viewpoint” was a typographical error and you really meant to write “ 21st century” or if it is just your own fast-forward impetus from the stone age to women’s lib and the new MeToo identity, reacting to Trump saying “ Grab them “ by the you know where…
I take it as for granted that you are aware of the place in history occupied by King Solomon?
One of my favourite living rabbis once quipped that King Solomon was so wise because he had so many wives (over 800 plus a few concubines). By that count, he was and is the champion, by far surpassing the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam who, Allahu Akbar, only had thirteen wives altogether, alhamdulillah, and Imam Ali alaihi salaam, who also had wives and concubines….
What’s all this nonsense about the wise King who wrote at the very beginning of his Shir Hashirim - Song of Songs, sings, ” I am Black and handsome, ye daughters of Jerusalem, dark like the tents of Kedar…”
What’s all this about “Sexual harassment”? Where did you get that from? You want reparations thousands of years later because she had a nice time?
Chapter 64 of Kebra Nagast tells the story of how the Queen of Sheba unwittingly got King Solomon to “sacrifice” to one of her idols – this of course, prior to her conversion to Judaism. Here is the short story: How the Daughter of PHARAOH Seduced SOLOMON.
How about that?
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Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali,
First of all, I thought that you were going to correct me most severely, that it was not the Queen of Sheba but the Daughter of the Pharaoh that unwittingly caused King Solomon to sacrifice to one of her deities, as recorded in the Kebra Nagast:
“And he swore to her that he would give her whatsoever she asked for, and that he would do for her everything that she told him. And she tied a scarlet thread on the middle of the door of [the house of] her gods, and she brought three locusts and set them in the house of her gods. And she said unto SOLOMON, "Come to me without breaking the scarlet thread, bend thyself and kill these locusts before me and pull out their necks"; and he did so. And she said unto him, "I will henceforward do thy will, for thou hast sacrificed to my gods and hast worshipped them."
O witty one, “JudaeChrislam”? Where did it all begin? No, as all the scholars of comparative religion agree, Islam has borrowed heavily from Judaism and Christianity considering
1. The space that the Prophet Moses occupies in the Quran
2. The status of Mary - the mother of Jesus, in Islam
3. The Space that Jesus occupies in the Quran, i.e. The Jesus of the Quran
Whereas there is no mention of Mary, Jesus or Muhammad in the Hebrew Bible or in the Hebrew Scriptures
I believe that humanity as we know it is going to be around for another 240 years, till about the year 6000.
So until then, hold tight or as Curtis advised, Move on Up!
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Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali & Lord Agbetuyi,
Concerning the current whereabout of the Ark of the Covenant, I read this a few minutes ago: I Chronicles Chapter 13 – 14 ( commentary by Rabbi Avraham ben Yaakov) : “The new king lost no time in taking advantage of the favorable national climate in order to try to bring the Ark of the Covenant up to Jerusalem from the house of Avinadav in Kiryat Ye'arim, where it had remained since its return by the Philistines following the disasters that struck them after they captured it from the Sanctuary in Shilo in the days of Eli (I Samuel 4:11-7:1).”
By the way, tonight's supposed to be The Night of Power
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More info Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali & Lord Agbetuyi,
Concerning the current whereabout of the Ark of the Covenant, I read this a few minutes ago: I Chronicles Chapter 13 – 14 ( commentary by Rabbi Avraham ben Yaakov) : “The new king lost no time in taking advantage of the favorable national climate in order to try to bring the Ark of the Covenant up to Jerusalem from the house of Avinadav in Kiryat Ye'arim, where it had remained since its return by the Philistines following the disasters that struck them after they captured it from the Sanctuary in Shilo in the days of Eli (I Samuel 4:11-7:1).”
By the way, tonight's supposed to be The Night of Power
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Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali & Lord Agbetuyi,
Cornelius Hamelberg
Lord Agbetuyi,
We ought not to talk lightly about the whereabouts of the Ark of the Covenant.
I daresay that even if e.g. the Vatican had the Ark in their possession that should not give them the right to claim it as a God-given possession, since the Ark of the Covenant, does not rightly belong to the Papacy or to Christianity. On what grounds do you think that Christianity can lay any legitimate claim to the Ark of the Covenant – captured in battle or stolen from where it rightly belongs? For “safekeeping”? It’s the same with the Holy Land / The Promised Land. To whom does it belong?
I take it that you perhaps regard the Legends of the Jews, some of the stories of Ethiopian priests and some other fables as part of the inerrant word of God, like Genesis Chapter 2
A cursory look at the world map shows that Axum is quite some distance from Jerusalem
I assume that there could be replicas of the ark and that the one that the Ethiopian priests at the Church of Mary claim is in their possession could be a replica or a decoy, so that the enemies of Israel can continue to gloat until the next millennium Sabbath.
Since you teach it, I suppose you are familiar with The Hebrew God: Portrait of an Ancient Deity by Bernhard Lang
The Eid begins on Saturday…
BTW, we haven’t heard anything from Boko Haram this month. They could be fasting or under voluntary self-isolation/lockdown, afraid of being wiped out by the Coronavirus. Let us hope and pray and try to stay safe, far from the invisible enemy…
Ebenezer Obey – Ota Mi Dehin Lehin Mi
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On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 9:04 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg<hamelberg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,
According to the great religion of al Islam a man’s actions are judged by his niyat – his intentions and you have purposely declared that for now your job in this Ramadan series your lofty intention “is to elevate the minds” and that altogether “ In the music series, the Ramadan series, and the Sunday meditation, (your) intention is to let people seek peace, be restful, minimize the tensions brought by the pandemic.“
You are obviously thoroughly enjoying the dunya music etc. Once again, I can only congratulate you “ Ramadan Kareem” and “ JazakAllah Khairan! ( May Allah richly reward you…
My own intention was only to point out to the general, non-Muslim who follows your posts, that the Quran is the incontestable word of Allah and that the Quran is to be distinguished from the Hadith ( the collected traditions with their chains of transmission of which there are various kinds, ranging from the Sahih to some of the spurious) – so that someone does not unknowingly attribute some unsourced advice to the Quran when no matter how elevated, or elevating is not from the Quran.
About sourcing, it should be sufficient to say “Quran” or “Hadith” to avoid any confusions.
Many thanks, all the same - The Almighty is the Knower of Hearts.
Rabih Abou-Khalil : The Cactus of Knowledge
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Sir:
I know all the sources! Some have written to me in private and I give it ti them within the split of a second. There are many pedagogical styles, and in preaching you follow a flowing style; in disputations, you follow sources and affirmation style. I have done both, in this moment of peace.
My job, for now, is to elevate the minds:
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and. cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee. that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Must I add Matthew 5: 30?
In the music series, the Ramadan series, and the Sunday meditation, my intention is to let people seek peace, be restful, minimize the tensions brought by the pandemic. It is a lot of work for me, but it is energizing.
There is a time for arguments in later season:
For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven. A time to be born and a time to die. A time to plant and a time to harvest. A time to kill and a time to heal.
Don’t I know the source? Yes I do.
Is it necessary, No.
If needed, Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.
TF
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in response to cornelius's defn of a muslim--you might ask, who gets to define someone as being muslim or not. well, there are 5 pillars, including the hadj, which most muslims never get to accomplish. in senegal many make the hadj to touba, if they are mourids. islam is generally an accommodationist religion, meaning if you can't fast, say, or make the hadj, you have not sinned. intentionality matters more than superficial actions.one of the pillars is the statement of faith, i believe in allah and that mohammed is his prophet. if you don't agree with that, one might ask, how could you then be a muslim? it is hard to answer that, but i'd suggest possible. cornelius says
his defn of a muslim is someone who prayers 5 times a day. that is one of the pillars.but i have know many many many--most, in fact--people who are muslim, and i say "are" muslim," who assert they are muslim, who don't do the prayers. some do, some don't. some fast, some don't. some drink alcoholic beverages (especially away from home), others don't.all muslims.a term some might use is non observant muslims.
there is more to being a muslim in today's world than simply following one or more of the rules, no matter what the rule. you can be a non-believer, and still be a muslim. if you live abroad, live within the muslim community, identify as a muslim, it is your choice to decide your identity. and that goes for jews and christians as well.many a catholic will say they are lapsed catholicsmany a jew is a secular jew, or a cultural jew.
i accept them all for what they define themselves as being.what i don't accept are the gatekeepers, the ones who judge, or worse, condemn, even kill, those they consider infidels or lapsed or whatever.i don't believe in heaven or hell, except on earth. the gatekeepers belong in hell, and make life a hell for others.
during ramadan, muslims are expected to reflect on their religious values. tolerance is what makes life a heaven for others.
ken
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- Ibn Asakri has transmitted from al-Hasan bin Ali that Muhammad said: "Invoke more Salawat upon me, for your invocation is conducive to your sins being forgiven. And pray for me a high status and intercession, for surely my intercession will plead in your favour before Allah."[9]
- There was a narration from Ja'far al-Sadiq from Muhammad. He said: "All supplications to Allah will remain in a veil from the sky until a Salawat is sent to Mohammad PBH and his Household."[10]
- In another tradition, Ja'far al-Sadiq was quoted that: "Whoever sends Salawat on the Prophet PBH and his Household means 'I am standing on the promise that I gave when Allah asked me, 'Am I not your lord? And I answered yes you are.'"[11]
Recommended salawat
According to various reports,[citation needed] the following salawat are recommended by Muhammad:
ʾAllāhumma ṣalli ʿalā Muḥammadin wa ʿalā ʾāli Muḥammadin kamā ṣallayta ʿalā ʾIbrāhīma wa ʿalā ʾāli ʾIbrāhīma ʾinnaka Ḥamīdun Majīdun ʾAllāhumma bārik ʿalā Muḥammadin wa ʿalā ʾāli Muḥammadin kamā bārakta ʿalā ʾIbrāhīma wa ʿalā ʾāli ʾIbrāhīma ʾinnaka Ḥamīdun Majīdun
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ٱللَّٰهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ كَمَا صَلَّيْتَ عَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ ٱللَّٰهُمَّ بَارِكْ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ كَمَا بَارَكْتَ عَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ |
Allah, sanctify Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, as you have sanctified Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim. Truly, You are Praiseworthy and Glorious. Allah, bless Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, as you have blessed Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim. Truly, You are Praiseworthy and Glorious.[12] |
Muhammad was also reported to have said: "Do not invoke incomplete salawat upon me". His Sahabah asked him: "What is incomplete salawat?" He replied them: "When you say: 'O Allah, send blessing to Muhammad' and then stop on that. Rather say: ٱللَّٰهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ 'O Allah! send Your blessing to Muhammad and the progeny of Muhammad."[13]
Merits of reciting Salawat
- He who sends 10 salawat upon Muhammad and his household, God and his angels will send 1,000 salawat upon him, and whoever send 1,000 salawat upon Muhammad and his household, the fire of hell won't affect him.[14]
- Sending Salawat upon Muhammad and his progeny paves way for his intercession on the judgement day.[15]
- Sending Salawat upon Muhammad and his progeny served as a compensation for sins.[16]
- Sending Salawat upon Muhammad and his household is the most weighty deed on the scale of deeds.[17]
- Salawat upon Muhammad and his households led to the affection of God and his messenger.[18]
- Salawat upon Muhammad and his household purifies deeds.[19]
- Salawat upon Muhammad and his household will serve as the light in the grave, As-Sirāt bridge and Paradise.[20]
- Salawat lightens and opens the heart.[21]
- Salawat is one of the best deeds on Friday.[22]
- Reciting Salawat aloud vanishes hypocrisy.[23]
- Sending Salawat upon Muhammad and his households releases one from the fire of hell.[24]
- Continuous recitation of Salawat fulfils one's worldly and heavenly wants (supplication).[25]
kenneth harrow
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Dear Kenneth,
It seems to me that we are constantly expressing hostility towards the great religion of al Islam.
So, Christians love and are supposed to love Jesus. Is that a crime?
We’ve got to try to get over this. Islam is Islam. Mere mortals like us are not qualified to “correct”, rectify or reform al-Islam. From an Islamic point of view, it’s difficult to understand exactly what it is that you’re objecting to. Love of the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam - who is Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala ‘s Messenger is of the essence for a Muslim because such love for him enhances the faithful Believer’s response to the Message from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, hence in the course of a gathering of Shia Muslims in particular, you will hear an Islamic Scholar’s discourse frequently punctuated by someone who calls out “ Salawat “ and the Mumins will erupt into spontaneous, joyous and sincere bursts of “Allah humma salli ala Muhammad wa ali Muhammad !”
Islam is not Judaism in which it is permissible to criticize or even vilify any of the prophets, without fear of being executed on the spot, for blasphemy. Islam is not Hinduism. I once heard Baba Muktananda say “The Guru is greater than God, because the Guru shows you God!”
Nor is Islam Christianity and nobody says the equivalent of the Jesus Prayer , in al-Islam. The Muslim prays to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala (God) and only to God, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. The Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam himself prayed for forgiveness 70 times a day .
In the Quran and to some extent in the hadiths too “Allah and His Messenger”// Allah and His Prophet, are oft recurring themes, it would seem that they are often almost inseparable as in:
“The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom…” (Surah Al-Ma'idah - 33
In Sufiism, ISHQ is very important.
I take it as for granted that you will agree with my suggestion that the opposite of love is hate.
Simply put, Muslim’s – all Muslims, love the Prophet of Islam salallahu alaihi wa salaam and are required to love him. This is how it is : Islam : Your faith is not complete unless you love the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam.
Christians love to quote Yeshayahu /Isaiah 53 - about “the Suffering Servant” which they identify as Jesus . Well, the Prophet of Islam is no “the Shuffering Servant” - there’s not supposed to be any Shuffering and Shmiling as part of the Islamic ethos. As El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz once put it,
“There is nothing in our book, the Qur'an, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. That's a good religion. In fact, that's that all-time religion. That's the one that Ma and Pa used to talk about: an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, and a head for a head, and a life for a life. That's a good religion.”
Hamza Yusuf : Laylatul Qadr
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kenneth harrow
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Dear Ken,
THere's not much to disagree about in what you are saying here. I first heard reservations expressed about the legalisms to which you object from Terry Graham and Leonard Lewisohn ( Lenny) live and direct and that was way back in London - several times in 1987-1988. At the train station in Köln that same year ( 1988) I had something of a traumatic experience, something like a flashback experience – it was my imagination running riot to the extent that I could hear Nazi boots marching everywhere, when I heard the train whistle – and it was when the din settled a little , it was at that exact point that I asked Lenny – because we were finally alone together and nobody was within ear-shot , I was impelled to ask him, “Lenny, how come a Jew like you became a Sufi?”
He answered – his exact words, “ Dr Nurbakhsh convinced me.” Whereupon I thought to myself “Amor Vincit Omnia – can it be that easy?”
Well, we are not to suppose that from the very beginning Islam was just about being lovey-dovey and cosy with the Almighty, with lots of Buddhist compassion and Hindu Ahimsa, fi sabilillah.
We must adopt an historic perspective on the Sharia type legalisms down to the thought police as guardians and protectors of the tranquillity and peace by understanding that it was within a total of twenty-three years that the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam achieved the miracle of establishing al -Islam, also through some valiant Jihad, some blood, sweat, and tears and that during those twenty three years ( 610-632 C.E.) the nascent Islam and the Islamic communities in both Mecca and Medina ( in which The Charter of Medina etc, the First Islamic State was eventually established with the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam as the Prophet President so to speak, and most importantly we must understand that during those twenty-three years the ummah was more or less under a state of emergency.
Someone could argue that the state of emergency type laws were never repealed. One could also point out that even after the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam blessed the Hereafter - as Dr. Nurbakhsh says, the Islamic community split into three – the Arab nationalists became the Sunnis, the supporters of Ali, alaihi salaam, became the Shia, and Ali ,alaihi salaam also became the leader and teacher of the third group, the Sufis who were/ are the custodians of the esoteric teachings of Islam ( lots of controversy about that understanding)and indeed, it cannot be said that after the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam blessed the Hereafter all was okey-dokey with the Ummah that he left behind, considering that the first caliph Abu Bakr al siddiq had a tough time, the second, third and fourth caliphs were all murdered - and so were the eleven Imams ( alaihim Salaam) of Shia Islam - the twelfth Imam Sahebe Zaman, alaihi Salaam is in occultation.
Today, when there is so much turbulence, political and social upheaval in the Islamic world, with Islam under siege so to speak, Sharia is the main structure when it comes to maintaining law and order where Muslims are self-governing. There’s much more to say, but it’s already too long so I’ll just say
Wa Salaam
Cornelius
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Dear Ken,
Shalom.
You are probably not going to like this.
On re-reading this your post and indeed many of your other posts on this topic, I have come to the conclusion that you have a problem.
There’s the Krio/Creole saying, “Tell fren true noh pwell fren” which means, “Telling your friend the truth should not spoil the friendship”)
In essence, this is what the Quran, Islam’s premier Revelation says : al-Baqarah: The Cow
Your problem is that you don’t seem to realise that Muhammad ibn Abdullah salallahu alaihi wa salaam is the last prophet of Islam and is therefore the seal of Islamic prophecy. Ideally, you would like to dictate what Islam should be, maybe awaken Muslims worldwide to your visons of reform and hope that they all come to their senses and adopt the kinds of reforms that would make you happy with Islam, what you would describe as a kinder, a more non-violent Islam with a few female imamas.
You are not alone in this kind of thinking; you are in good company with people like Robert Spencer and Ibn Warraq….
Sometimes, I don’t know if you are actually talking to me or past me to the forum and the world or just thinking aloud, talking to yourself ( soliloquy, monologue) addressing your own intelligence or beyond all of us, especially when you begin by saying, “ dear Cornelius, for you islam is one, its doctrine is one, and you seem to say that all muslims believe the same thing.”
How could you say that? Is that what I said? Is that what I think? Well I have said in this forum that I am acquainted with the Sunni, the Shia and Sufi branches, such as the Rifa'i . There’s also the Kalam and more than that, there’s the history of Islam which is still in the making. Yes Sir, there’s the Islam of the contending / contentious theologians, there’s even the Jihadi Islamism of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Usama bin Ladin, former leaders of Islamic terrorism making the title, “the religion of peace “ a misnomer…
We have already, previously agreed that what all Muslims have in common is the Shahada .
All Muslims also have the same Prophet, the same Quran, and the same qibla which is Mecca
In Islam, especially in Sufism, there’s the zahir ( the outer) and the batin ( the inner) - the Sharia is supposed to protect both…..
Finally, there’s the super eloquent Aziz al-Azmeh and his Islams and Modernities (of which I have a signed copy – signed in green ink )
Let us also agree that
# Nobody is forcing you or anyone else to become a Muslim
# Islam is the fastest-growing religion
# There’s a difference between merely reading about alcohol and actually drinking it
(Reminds me of Bill Clinton saying that he did not inhale and Brother Obama boasting, "I inhaled frequently...that was the point."
I wonder what kinds of public utterances Brother Donald has made on this subject
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Dear Ken,
My theory is that somebody has to be the professor, in some places, somebody has to be the executioner. I thank God that it’s not me.
Because geezers such as Ibn Warraq ( a former believer) and Robert Spencer and his Jihad Watch are posing such a problem to themselves, I am much relieved that yours has been only a passing interest, as an academic, and it’s good to know that your problem “is not one of wanting to reform islam” and that you “understand the concept that holds that mohammad was the last of the prophets”. I suppose that you understand but do not necessarily agree with the concept.
It’s interesting – and I take your word for it that some of the Marabouts represent themselves as higher beings to their disciples or want to arrogate to themselves the status of “the last” of a long line of predecessors. The last crumb. The straw that broke the camel’s back.
If by believer, you mean believer in the Almighty, then I’m a believer. As far as Islam is concerned there is, for example, the problem of Jesus who Islam says is the Messiah of Israel ( another concept) and as far as Christianity is concerned there is the problem of Jesus himself and the doctrine of “Jesus is the son of God and Mary is his mother” : One does not have to understand or believe everything in order to be or to become a Believer. As in Shemot/ Exodus 19:8
“And all the people replied in unison and said, "All that the Lord has spoken we shall do!" and Moses took the words of the people back to the Lord.”
When you mention “Islam’s role in Africa” which I assume started with the followers of Islam’s persecuted Prophet, salallahu alaihi wa salaam, seeking and obtaining refuge in Ethiopia in 615 and the Prophet of Islam ,salallahu alaihi wa salaam’s subsequent letter to the Negus of Ethiopia , in which he addresses the Negus, “ As-salamu alaykum”, long before the Muslim conquest of Egypt between 639 - 646. Fast forward I have mostly been interested in the role of Islam in the Liberation of Algeria - from being a French colony , and of course, the Fulani Jihads , and that Islam was also an asset in the struggle to liberate South Africa from the evil clutches of Apartheid, and that in recognition of the role that Libya played Madiba Nelson Mandela visited Colonel Gaddafi and said that those who did not like him visiting his friend Gaddafi, could go and jump into the lake ( the lake of fire)
As for the Saudis, as you say, wanting “to eliminate the sufi orders wherever they could”, I can understand that the talismanic Marabouts most pose a problem bordering on shirk ( the one sin that Allah subananahu wa Ta’la does not forgive) and if some Sufi Sheikhs step out of line – then the Saudis should not be happy about that .
But, it’s not only the Saudis – beyond a mere academic or professional or a non-believer’s interest you could be aware of The state of Sufism in Iran from your Amnesty International’s point of view.
Right now I’m feeling a little like Rumi when he met Shams Tabrizi ; a few days ago when I reinstalled Google Chrome, I lost all my bookmarks accumulated over the past decade. I am forlorn. I had better start practising non-attachment to what has been irretrievably lost.
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Harrow, Kenneth
kenneth harrow
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michigan state university
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Lord Agbetuyi,
You may be right that Professor Harrow “shows scholarly, academic distancing” – from what and how far the supposed distancing is, I am not in his or your position to ascertain.
A Prophet, the prophetic intellect, the station of prophecy is a very high station, a very humble station that is far, very far removed from being seated in arrogance. The arrogance can’t even see two lightbulbs at the back of his head.
“religious interjections” under the topic Ramadan, yes, better than quoting the devil
I have no expertise to speak of, let alone “the expertise of a believer”. I’m only a traveller along with fellow travellers, some of them with many disguises, and the worst of them will be the first to tell you that he has no expertise whatsoever. I don’t know any major doctrines, I don’t know or want to know what people “believe, think, and practice locally”. Why should I want to know that? To discuss their quaint beliefs with them? To correct them? To understand them better?
Dr. Azmayesh has written a few books about some of these matters.
There was a Sheikh who used to end his letters
by signing off as
(humble boast)
“Allah’s weakest slave”
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Lord Agbetuyi,
I’m sure that some of us are humbled by the tremendous task that Professor Falola has undertaken and accomplished this month of Ramadan - actually teaching Islamic ethics and staying the course, having done so, the entire month of Ramadan. Lucky human being, great will be his reward in heaven - for just such good deeds, which are being recorded, and will weigh heavily on the scale of Justice – on the Day of Judgement. In the Quran, Allah subhanahu wa ta’la says, “Remember Me and I will remember you.” Talking about God ( Allah) is basically, doing just that: Remembering Allah and more than that bringing the existence of Allah ( God) to other people’s attention.
As to philosophy and God, who is not a philosopher? Spinoza? OK, so some people teach it and other things for a living and for that too, should expect some soul development as we journey on to the Hereafter, to the known, unknown, to Heaven or to the other place, what Hon Minister Louis Farrakhan refers to as “the lake of fire”
So, please accept this apology that I’m tending right here, about my earlier reply in which I bragged that “ I have no expertise to speak of” etc after boasting so many times in this forum about my little piece of understanding of ” Islamic jurisprudence” (another little piece of nothing, as if I had distinguished myself with a couple of PhDs in Islamic fiqh from the Islamic University of Madinah, and then Al Azhar, Qom, and Najaf) and, not so long ago, boasting thus also to Baba Kadiri :
“Ogbeni Kadiri do you know that I still consider myself an expert on the marriage laws of Islam according to the five schools of Islamic jurisprudence? (In my research on Nigeria, to my distress I found out that relative to other ethnic groups who have embraced Islam in Nigeria, there is/ was a higher rate of divorce among the Hausa, a result of several factors)”
It’s said that all the people who heard God’s voice at Mt. Sinai became prophets simultaneously!
7. Moses came and summoned the elders of Israel and placed before them all these words that the Lord had commanded him.
8. And all the people replied in unison and said, "All that the Lord has spoken we shall do!" and Moses took the words of the people back to the Lord.
9. And the Lord said to Moses, "Behold, I am coming to you in the thickness of the cloud, in order that the people hear when I speak to you, and they will also believe in you forever." And Moses relayed the words of the people to the Lord
God to Moses: “and they will also believe in you forever.”
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Can it be said that Freud, trumps prophecy?
“Sigmund Freud - A Jew Without God”
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# Another term/ concept/ idea : ” the prophetic intellect”
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This is the age of science and technology; once upon a time we relied on the naked eye, just now I was surprised to read this sentence:
Even more precise and dramatic:
“Weekend’s New ‘Shawal Moon’ Will End Ramadan, Set Up ‘Solstice Ring of Fire’ Eclipse of The Sun”
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Much of the Temple Institute commentary on this past Sabbath’s Torah portion was devoted to the Ark of the Covenant ending with these poignant words:
“We no longer have an Ark but we do have this verse and still have access to the feeling it was meant to convey. What are we waiting for? Shabbat Shalom “
The Temple Institute: The Ark of the Covenant
Conversations on the Ark of the Covenant etc with The Deacon of the Church where it is kept,Deacon Zemichale of St. Mary’s Church, Axum,Ethiopia
Gloria
Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
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Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
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The most current location I heard is that it is in Ethiopia (Aksum)and not Israel.
You are the first to locate it in Israel. Why can the location not be verified?
The philistines captured the ark in a battle between Eben-ezer ( where the Israelites were camped) and Aphek.
Prophet Eli fell down and died on receiving news of the capture of the ark 1 Samuel 4.
OAA
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Lord Agbetuyi,
Who said that the Ark was stolen by the Philistines?
It’s safe and sound and securely lodged somewhere within the borders of Israel.
As to your funny question (chutzpah?) no Sir, the Ark of Covenant is not the same size as Noah's ark , as you very well know.
I’ll enquire about you questions 2 & 3
This is supplementary to Imam Falola's Khutbahs on Tzedakah // Sadaqah :
Jesus on Giving to the Needy, Prayer, Fasting, Treasures in Heaven in The Gospel of Matthew Chapter 6
If I were to meet the same Marabout today, I would like to ask him, " Still going strong like Johnnie Walker? "
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Rabbi:
1. When was the ark taken by the philistines?2. Is it interchangeable with with the Babylonian captivity as Christopher Okigbo seem to have done?
3. People allege that the ark actually contained an electrical generating rheostat and this was what actually electrocuted Uzza upon touching it. Is that possible?
4. Is the ark of Covenant the same size as Noah's ark?
OAA
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The meeting with the Marabout was way back in 1987 and I remember the conflict vividly, just as this Cornelius is credited with having a phenomenal memory. The beauty of steel, especially Swedish steel is that it’s still shining its light in the areas of darkness. It’s known as stainless steel and, unlike iron, stainless steel does not rust.
The riddle was solved last night. I finally now understand that when I told the marabout that I wanted to be an al-insan al-kamil (a Perfect Man ) – in a very spiritual sense of course, he must have though that an awesome Rod of Moses or Aaron's rod is the very essence of manly perfection , and no doubt, that’s one of the items at the top of many men’s agenda when seeking consultations with him, for a nice fee, and of course, no man wants to spend his money for nothing?
In Africa, you want the Oyibo to be your good friend, you let him into some herbal secrets – ga-gai or cushusment – and you extract from him a vow of secrecy , that he should never divulge this secret knowledge to anyone, especially not to other Oyibos.
I had thought that at the very least the Marabout was going to say an al-Fatihah or two over me, pour some holy oil over my head and give me some spiritual exercises that I must do, not tell me that I should buy a few yards of white cotton to give to him and that I should go chew some rice while standing on a piece of iron…. to be lion, like iron in Zion
Our next task is how to be feeling like 50 years old by the time we are in our eighties. If the Marabout knew how, it would probably be expensive.
I wonder when they and the Pentecostal miracle workers are going to start performing their wonders…
On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 19:00, Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
i love your stories, cornelius. if it took a disagreement to provoke this, it was worth it.as for swedish steel....!!!!!!!k
kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
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Dear Kenneth,
I’m beginning to take your word for it. (The prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam is reported to have said of Abu Dharr al Gifari, “ There is no more truthful man under the sun than him”
Not that I disbelieve you or have ever disbelieved you, my reserve about what you say is based on the fact that you are an Oyibo ( not “coloured”) and since you are an academic and you don’t strike me as being like me ( one who can investigate life live and direct in the depths of the Ghetto ), you probably observe some things from a distance , not as a participant. (Malcolm X jokes about some gringos over there in Kenya asking some of the local Mau-Mau warriors if they were Mau -Mau. He asks how stupid can the gringo be? It’s like the FBI asking some terrorist-looking guys in New York, just after 911 (great Talibanic beards) if they are Al-Qaeda, or friends of Usama Bin Ladin. According to Malcolm, the Mau-Mau bros responded, rolling their big black eyes in their heads, “Mau -Mau? Boss, what’s that? I never heard about them, Boss!”
Having mentioned Talibanic beards, think: the myths that are still being built around d Mullah Omar the possessor of a cloak once worn by the Prophet of Islam, Sallallahu alaihi wa salaam!
As for me, I have never seen a mosque in Sierra Leone, Ghana, Liberia, Togo or Nigeria. Of course, it’s possible that I may have seen one or two without knowing that they were mosques. On the other hand, I have seen many a pub/ dinking parlour/chop bar/ hotel/ nightclub in the aforementioned countries and many mosques in the West, in Britain, Holland, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and of course in places like Turkey, Morocco and Egypt .
You have had close contacts with murids in Senegal. You’ve got stories to tell.
The idea that Sufi saints are very much alive in the consciousness of their devotees, was brought forcibly to my attention when I visited the shrine of Ahmad a- Badawi in Tanta – one of his devotees came busting in through the door and was shouting at the top of his voice, in some dialect of Arabic addressing the Sufi Saint as if he were alive: ” Ahmad Badawi! I have travelled hundreds of miles just to come and greet you! “
Venerated: Sheikh Ahmadou Bamba
In all fairness the Sufi Qutb/ Sheikh/ Saint/ Marabou humbly admits that it’s always a matter of
la hawla wala quwwata illabillah aliyil azeem
I once met a Marabout from Senegal (here in Stockholm). I was told that he was quite famous and hundreds of people came to see him, an equal number of men, the men probably asking for more success in their business, promotions at their job, more money, more wives, the women I was told wanting to land a good husband, and if he was already landed, then perhaps to build a big hotel in Banjul or in Dakar. When it was my turn to meet him, the first thing I saw was a jinni in the room moving around with a streak of blue light trailing him/ her/it. What could he do for me he asked me? I told him that I would also like to be an al Insan al Kamil ( I wasn’t being very humble was I ? Well, I was at least being honest at the time. Why ask for a few million when you can ask for thirteen trillion?) He asked me if that was all I wanted. I told him YES! He then asked if I didn’t want anything else. Such as what? Such as some improvements to my male member and its performance? I told him that it was OK. He asked me, “Strong like iron?” (You know that Swedish steel is strong enough) He insisted. Like iron? I relented. I was supposed to buy a white cloth, some rice which I was supposed to chew while standing on some piece of iron. I then realised that he was a combination of the medicine man and the witch doctor. The jinn was still floating around in the room when I left and there were still about twenty people in the waiting room in my friend Fabakry’s house, waiting to see him. Needless to say, flesh never acquired the hardness of iron, not even Swedish steel. Some poor chap who apparently did become iron had to be operated in the emergency room because he had taken too much Viagra he said, and that which went up ten hours had been refusing to come down ten hours later and he had been shuffering terribly. (Not funny)
To Lord Olayinka I just want to add that with regard to there is only one God, I once heard a rabbi questioning certain aspects of the Quranic revelation, with just this one question: “ Is that what the Angel Gabriel told him? “
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dear cornelius
we are getting to fine distinctions that i do not believe most people make. between mohammad being a god or a human, yes muslims all know that.
but between veneration and worship, between supplication and praying....no.people make supplications to their marabouts, even to dead marabouts; they give gifts praying, and i mean praying, that they will be healed, etc.do they worship ahmadou bemba, make pilgrimage to touba? and the equivalent to other saints, other shrines. i bet dozens of people on this list serve could give you many many examples.
just as catholics pray to saints. pray. ask the saint to cure them; give gifts at their shrines, etc.
have you been to lourdes? to our lady's shrine? veneration? worship? come on; they did not travel a thousand miles to play those games. they believe in the intercession, in the baraka, in the powers, in the help. who is helping them?i don't know why we want to pretend that there is such a fine line between this and polytheism. i don't see it.
i didn't see it at first, but i do now.if you want to dismiss all those sects as wrong, as sufi, as not salafi, well you are free to do so. i've found in sufi practices much much more to admire and fall in love with than any of the judgmental legalist branches of islam, or, for that matter of judaism as well.i prefer a religion that radiates; not that condemns.
best (and stay safe)
ken
kenneth harrow
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michigan state university
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Dear Ken,
Of course, a prophet (of God) is a very special human being. For one thing, he’s not going to hell.
re – “and pray to those marabouts”?
Who told you that there are Senegalese murids who “pray” to their marabouts?
You mean they do their salaat and make dua to their marabout/s?
C’mon Ken, that’s what they told you and you believe them? How could you a professor from the USA’s great M.I.T. be so gullible?
That’s the point that I have been making all along, that there is and there must be a line drawn between what we mean by veneration and what we mean by worship . Even the most most retarded Muslim disciple can surely make the distinction between God Almighty and his Sufi Sheikh who goes to the toilet to do “big and little business”? Between the Most Beneficent, Omniscient and Omnipotent God and his mortal prophet (S.A.W.) who is buried in Medina?
Someone kissing the bejewelled had of Pope Francis is not an act of worship? Or is it?
Someone kissed the feet of his girlfriend or his sheikh, is that an act of worship?
I still love this soothsayer’s invocation in Don Cherry’s Multikulti:
“I’ll talk to God for you” she says, “there’s nothing that I can’t do !”
From that to this sublime theological idea:
Noor-e-khuda Hai Husn-e-sarapa Rasool (The Light Of God Is The Embodiment Of The Prophet)
On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 19:19, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oga Cornelius:
Are you both a Rabbi and an Imam?
Does monotheism permit that? ( in which case you are backing Ken that in the end all religions are polytheism.)
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From: Cornelius Hamelberg <hamelberg...@gmail.com>Date: 16/05/2020 15:49 (GMT+00:00)Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Ramadan, Trust: Zain Ramadan
kenneth harrow
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Dear Kenneth,
I’m no pedant that’s why I’m sorry that I have to belabour this point, that there is no Muslim in the world that - as you say (possibly?) prays to the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam!
Islam’s strict monotheism as expressed in Surah Ikhlas which every Muslim knows by heart guarantees that they do not and cannot deify any prophet including Jesus /Isa (alaihi salaam) , who Muslims believe is the Jewish Messiah and a prophet of Islam.
Which does not mean that there is no practice of tawassul // wasilah // prayers of intercession in Islam.
When it comes to the worship of Muslim saints – beyond simple veneration (of e.g. Oga Falola // Imam Falola) - the actual worship as we find in some Maraboutism and Sufism, I am in essential sympathy with the Salafi and Wahhabism which in strict accord with an uncompromising interpretation and understanding of Islamic Monotheism, outlaws the worship of Sufi saints and Marabouts.
As you may have noticed, I don’t say anything about Christianism ( that Jesus is God and Mary is His Mother) or about the Jews who seek intercession through in Djerba ( where my pepper comes from)
Shabbat Shalom!
On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 18:31, Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
cornelius, my point is that people do not say they worship the prophet mohammed, or moses, or the virgin, or amadou bemba or other figures, but...but...they do pray to them and expect intercession on their behalf. ditto for saints.from my point of view, they constitute them as divinities. even if it is against the rhetoric of the religion, it is the case that they are approached and regarded as if they were divinities; or "minor divinities." even if the theology tells them they are human figures, they are revered and prayed to and asked of, etc, as if they have divine powers. call it intercessions all you want; i am talking about ordinary people, not theologians; how ordinary people regard them.
i've long been struck by how it is that these figures, thought to be originally human, are then elevated to a higher status. isn't that really the same of jesus?
and i suppose the romans did it for their emperors, in their day.and the catholics elevating their popes, to the point of conferring sainthood on them.in brooklyn, the orthodox venerating their rabbis, same thing.
perhaps there is that within us that wants to believe in the greatness of leaders. we create monuments of them; come worship at their feet; pray to them; venerate them, etc.
think of the buddha, and the gigantic statues erected of him in south asia.
i don't know if this is also conferred on confucious. it would be surprising since he is thought to be just an ethical teacher, but people just get carried away. all the time. everywhere.
i don't think badly of any of this; don't look down on people who choose to venerate those who they choose to venerate. but as gloria points out, within these religions also comes the anti-tolerant side which judges and condemns others who believe something different. the good side; the bad side.cornelius asks if i know anyone who worships mohammed? he is venerated and believed to be an intercessor, above all others. so is aisha, and mohammed's companions.and if you were to slip and depict mohammed, as did the danish cartoon fellow, or the charlie hebdo fellows, we all know what follows.they are revered like divinities, not like ordinary people. call them prophets, rebs, etc., marabouts even, rather than gods, but when you come down to it, they are elevated beyond the mortal. (like shango, obatala, etc)
ken
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I hope that this simple message will get through the holy or not so holy filter of his eminence the moderator of this forum, since he is tolerant enough to permit some choice obscenities from his special doves ( there are more than enough examples in the archives) but three times now I have tried to get a simple posting through, simple, innocuous, slightly funny – no bad word or words but he must be in another mind space, territorial or existential black hole - no worries, that's just a little piece of nothing, I have my own blog, there’s even Facebook where I can paste an infinitely jazzed up version that Professor Falola thinks is either heretical ( from the point of view of the mortal throne or chair on which he’s sitting ) or has some other reason or reasons this month of Ramadan. I detest such pettiness.
This is just a slight aside because I can’t just let this slip through without voicing a reaction to what Professor Harrow says here – his personal opinion of course, that there are those who
“worship the virgin mary, mohammed, moses…”
I don’t know about the other two (Moses and Mary) but I should just like to make an exception for the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad Ibn Abdallah, salallahu alaihi wa salaam:
Does Professor Harrow know anybody, just one, who worships the prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam?
This reminds me of the days of the Rushdie Affair: some wrote a very Islamophobic letter to Dagens Nyheter claiming that Muslims were worshipping Ayatollah Khomeini. I wrote a very terse rejoinder to that, went all the way to the Dagens Nyheter headquarters with it ( I couldn’t see the chief editor Arne Ruth - his secretary Beata was my next-door neighbour – I couldn’t see her either – they must have been out to lunch, but I went through my letter with one of the sub-editors and he assured me that my reply would be published the next day. It never happened.
Bob Dylan: Modern Times
On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 16:12, Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
hi gloriain all the religions i know as the major world religions we have some notion of a high god and then intermediaries, like prophets or figures associated with the high prophet.all those figures are worshipped. the ideology of the religion pretends that they are different from the high god; but the adherents actually treat them as higher spiritual figures with powers to protect or harm them.the worship takes place everywhere, and is associated with miracles. i could cite a billion examples, and they are fun--usually more fun to contemplate than the role associated with the high god, which is more boring.it all depends, in my view, on people's honesty in actually admitting that they worship the virgin mary, mohammed, moses, the marabouts who are dominant in their sect. if you travel throughout the desert the marabout shrines are there at key points. want to get across the desert? deposit a little something at the shrine. want to have babies, give a little something at the marabout's shrine. want the blessing of the high rabbi? the imam whose spit will cure you? etcit's there, it's everywhere; its divine power, baraka, call it blessings or whatever you want. worship the high priest, you will be blessed....i don't draw the line the official ideology of these religions does, that's all. i see no reason to.you seem to put thr polytheistic religions in another category; but they are largely the same, with their high gods, intermediate gods, priests and so on.k
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All religions are polytheistic? How so?
The jealous - god syndrome shows up with the monotheists. With monotheism, It is my way or the highway, to put it rather mildly. Hellfire and worse await those who attempt to diversify their spiritual repertoire and assets. I don’t see this with the polytheists, subject to new information.
GE
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:43 PM Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
gloriai know there are disagreements within sects; in the final analysis, when push comes to shove, when arms and war come about, i believe there is a strong materialist dimension, control over resources, territory, that lies underneath much of the rhetoric.the major world religions, like the crusades, time after time, are evoked as justifications for those wars. i generally believe that. after the rise of christianity, with constantine and thereafter, judaism lost its place as a player in such wars, until 1948 w israel. so, it became a religion for diaspora minorities who generally were very subordinate, for better or for worse. not so good in germany, so they wound up in great numbers in poland, where 90% were slaughtered,the religions of a people, a community, seem to me to be different. there's no point in the gods of a locality being imposed on others. that seems irrational, and i love Arrow of God in its evocation of the relationship between a people and its god that wavered with time.
i regard almost all--actually all-religions of the world as polytheistic. but never mind that. the religion of a locality differs from those that began to see themselves as universal, and married conquest with dominion over space. think of islam going across n africa, and then up into spain.tolerance? isn't it there, potentially, in many times and places for all these religions as well?my favorite example is the central region of senegal, the beautiful tourist rivers, where many christians live. they preach the virtues of tolerance, extol the way they and muslims, who are dominant, get along. nietzshe understood the chrtistian advocacy of tolerance as the way the weak turn the tool of humanism into a weapon to conquer the strong--zarathustra....
ken
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I thought that if you missed prayer at a certain time you made up for it by following some guidelines.
Ken, the reality is that within these religious systems there are all sorts of road blocks, and these give rise to Talibanism and a superiority complex for those who claim to be doing things “the right way.”
With Catholicism, for example, divorce is not recognized- and we know how Henry VIII dealt with that.Then there is the music factor and dance within Islam. Well the mystic, Rumi seemed to undercut thatone with his whirling dervishes, at least indirectly.
The fratricidal killings between Sunnis and Shias is related to these internal road blocks. Sissako’s Timbuktu (2014)does a good job capturing this dissonance.
It is not as cool, and nice ‘n easy as you suggest. Millions have died for one violation or the other or facedex- communication and ostracism.The polytheists are least likely tocommit such atrocities becausethey are more willing,theologically,to add on new spiritual entities etc. buteven so more research has to be done on the nature of this perceived tolerance.
Never read Oga Ken wax so poetic as such.
The CAOs take note; the true masters...
OAA
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