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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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The most pro- active and pragmatic way to force the hands of the federal government and the grazing cattle herders is for herder- resistant states to go into joint cooperatives and set up mega ranches across the country through credit facilities from banks such as AfDB and produce cattle at subsidized prizes that will be marketed directly to state citizens  through state of the art advertising and gradually force grazing herders out of business.

The time to start such multilateral initiatives is NOW!

Im glad the bank is already working on something similar in the SAPZ projects.  These should be replicated specifically for ranching so that say Ogun, Oyo ,Lagos and Ekiti can pool resources together as collateral to mega- loans for joint venture state ranches  with states such Imo, Anambra, and Rivers  within their states to force grazing herders to toe the line or face financial liquidation..  This goal can be achieved before the end of this administration.

They should not wait forever on the federal government exclusive leadership.


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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Good idea but when completely forced out of business would they not join the ranks of Boko Haram.


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Femi Segun

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I will add that cattle rearing should not be ethnically defined or designed. The cows will eat grass, grow and give birth, regardless of who is rearing it. 

I am also worried that we are conflating the frightening security challenges in the Southwest and South East in particular with herdsmen-farmer clashes. This is simplistic and unfortunately that is the official tone. For those who will like to hear the truth, Boko Haram terrorists and their affiliates ISWAP or ISIL might just be launching the first phase of their attacks in the South.. The sheer number of kidnappings taking place, the humongous amount that the kidnappers demand from each of their victims, the sophisticated coordination and the lethal nature of their weapons could bear out this argument. We neglect this danger at our own long term peril.

Rather than treating this issue as an ethnic one, as some commentators like Prof Jibrin Ibrahim would have us believe through  facebook posts, we should see it as another looming disaster that could have long term implications for the peace and corporate existence of the country. 

Shaking my head in apprehension
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Response to Femi Segun-

"Herdsmen-farmer clashes" is a non- factual euphemism.

Clashes occur when two groups fight.

Have read about farmrs armed with AK-47s, raping the wives of Fulani herdsmen, kidnapping them and stealing their cattle as has become the norm for Fulani herdsmen and their occupation of people's lands across Nigeria?

Cattle rearing for the Fulani is also beyond economics, but is centrally a cultural and even cosmological value for them and is now a terrorist strategy among the increasingly militant Fulani herdsmen.

From the cultural centrality represented by the Fulani creation story, the opening line of which reads "In the beginning, there was a huge drop of milk" the violent and ethnic supremacist Fulani have moved to using cattle nomadism as a tool of land penetration, military intelligence gathering and terrorism.

The issues therefore go beyond the simple fact of rearing cows.

Fulani culturally centred cattle nomadism has been weaponised into an internal colonisation tool.

Is there really a sigficant difference between Fulani herdsmen militia, Fulani herdsmen general terrorism and Boko Haram?

What differences are there between their operations, ideologies and origins?

Boko Haram was birthed and sustained by Northern Nigerian Muslim radicals.

It's members are being absorbed into the Nigerian army by Muhammadu Buhari, a Northern Muslim Fulani who once declared that "war against Boko Haram is war against the North".

Fulani herdsmen terrorism is sustained by the public adovacy of Miyetti Allah, led by Nigeria's most elite Fulani, largely, if not fully Muslim, such as the Sultan of Sokoto, head of Nigeria's Muslim community and ex-Emir of Kano and ex-central bank governor Sanusi Lamido Sanusi, and by the govt of Muhammadu Buhari which is both vocal in unquestioning support for the Fulani herdsmen and active in policy advocacy to empower them through land and cash from Nigeria while making sure they and their public advocates are never questioned by the law even as they justify massacres of unarmed Nigerians.

What is the connection between these terrorist movements?

Aspiration to national domination by radicals from the largely Muslim North.

Central to this is the legacy of Usman Dan Fodio, Fulani Muslim military  coloniser who, using Islam,  made the Fulani the political heads of Northern Nigeria till today, extending to Kwara which they conquered.

The Fulani supremacists have told us their minds but many, often blinded by blinkers of intellectualism insensitive to political realities, refuse to hear:

"Nigeria belongs to the Fulani" the head of Miyetti Allah has publicly declared.

"Benue belongs to the Fulani by right of conquest", a Fulani professor has also openly declared, even though the Fulani jihad never conquered Benue.

"Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable" declared Atiku Abubakar, another Fulani, I understand, on the PDP's refusal to field him as their 2011 Presidential candidate whi g would have made him Nigeria's President, a stance echoed by the anti-govt, anti-Christian stance of the  2011 Boko Haram uprising that was central to the fall of the GEJ govt.

Ethnic supremacist culture is real and is at the heart of Fulani hegemony in the traditional politics of Northern Nigeria, Kwara and the current Fulani herdsmen and Fulani militia terrorism crisis.

Failing to recognise it and argue for a non-ethnic interpretation of the links between it and Boko Haram is suicidal.

These people are on a nationally and perhaps internationally coordinated campaign to overrun Nigeria and they are already half way there.

Dislodinging them can be done only by reworking the unity of the country or breaking it up, initiatives they will resist with all their stength, beceause it will erode the victories they won while others slept.

Arms can't dislodge them.

They are better armed and the armed forces have been compromised in their favour.

Im grimly pleased to observe that the cries some of us have been making since the 2011 Benue massacres openly justified by Miyetti Allah that opened Buhari's Presidency, are now echoed and amplified across the nation.

From the Middle Belt to the SE, SW and Edo, the Fulanisation process given a name by OBJ and depicted by Danjuma is now recognised by many.

The liberal Fulani and the Muslim North generally need to speak up against the Fulani supremacists, but silence, palliative responses and denial of reality are the norm.

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Toyin 


Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Ranching by Fulani herdsmen outside  the North is very dangerous because of the ethnic supremacist terrorist culture the herders have cultivated, sustained by a private, heavily armed army recognised by international terrorist watch agencies as one of the world's deadliest terrorist groups and sustained by the brazen advocacy of such groups as Miyetti Allah and the right wing Fulani led Nigerian government of Muhammadu Buhari.

The Fulani herdsmen are an internal colonisation force whose true colors have been most evident in their slash, burn, depopulate and occupy campaign in the Middle Belt.

The land in the North is much lrager than in the South.

Establish your ranches there and transport by trucks to the South.

We don't want to exchange our lives, land and security for your beef.

In fact, we are even happy to do without your beef if that will ensure out safety.

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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Feb 4, 2021, 7:54:03 AM2/4/21
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GE:

I am borrowing and adapting a strategy that has been successfully tried elsewhere.  When confronted with serious problems whereas others go into deep thinking and think their way out of the problem, Nigerians go into hysteria and compound the problem with knee jerk responses that lead to further problems, abusing each other and ethnicities associated with the problem


All of what I wrote should be contextualised within an imperiled and inadequately planned nation in which problem solving re-planning  and re- designing is the battle zone of the next election.

What people cannot stop is state governments putting in place the food supply chain that best provides food security and general security where kidnappers and hoodlums do not continue to take advantage of the existing supply chain.  

Ranching by its nature would be a more effectively policed re- organisation.  It will provide far more job opportunities and inter- state collaborative efforts.  There will be no excuses for ' herders' turning weapons that are ostensibly meant to protect cows into arsenal for kidnapping, or providing cover, or unintended camouflage for criminals.  

The number of weapons in the community will be more carefully monitored as in the holistic scenario I have painted before in my other posts where guns will be withdrawn from communities except for bonafide law enforcement agents.  

As the groundswell of opinions have maintained state police forces will replace the federal police with the next government as this will be one of the crucial battlegrounds for the forthcoming elections ( you heard HE Obasanjo's view on the issue in the zoom interview.)

Your specific question is whether the herdsmen will not join Boko Haram.  If they do then we will know where the battle lines are drawn and proper preparatiins will be made for war.  That is far better than your most prominent citizens being carted away in a defenceless manner in broad daylight  and being slaughtered like cheap animals.

But jobless ( bonafide) herdsmen will not be drafted to Boko Haram because their financial benefactors want to make money and cant make money in a state of war in which only a few gun runners make money.  Many of the herdsmen will be retrained into cattle ranching by their benefactors  to compete favourably with subsidized states controlled cattle production or else they lose their investment in cattle which no one is prepared to buy ( remember ranched cattle are better fed and robust looking than the grazed cattle.)

The British government employed similar methods to tame Asian corner shops across the UK  by bringing into every city streets in the late 90s ( and  by changing the Sunday trading laws) mega stores like Sainsburys and Tescos ( equivalent of JC Penny and Uncle Sams.)  Owned by leading Scots and English gentry who were the main political party financiers who collaborated in the economic buy back scheme in the way I am recommending for the herder- resistant states.

They gave the corner shops a run for their money in terms of cheaper goods and stabler pricing and cleaner and modern environment.  In fact successful corner shop entrepreneurs were given franchises of such shoos who ran them for good salaries and even bought shares in them.  This was the British govt's way of clawing back into the economy hoarded profits from the corner shops rather send them out of the country Idi Amin style.  So its a question of a visionary ruling class.

So the ball is in the courts of herder- resistant states to procure safety for their citizens through control of modern farming activities.  The herdsmen ( mainly Fulani ) saw a gap for a niche in a particular market cornered it, modern advances in agriculture made it outmoded plus undesirable elements are taking advantages of loopholes in the system..The state governments of such states owe it a duty to their citizens to spearhead the introduction of a modern safer way of animal husbandry.

Gloria Emeagwali

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TA,
I agree with you on lots of issues but 
definitely not with this persistent
 ethnic based crusade against the Fulani - that could lead downhill into ethnic cleansing, Rwanda style.


Prof. Gloria Emeagwali 


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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Jibrin's description of the problem as an ethnic one is not far from the truth.  Nigeria is an inordinately ethnic conscious nation. FFK has described how Daddy Onyeama  prophesied the domination of not just Nigeria, but Africa by the Igbo, the scheme the Fulani are accused of perpetrating ( I did not hear of any Igbo contradicting the prophecy,) and the Igbo all over Nigeria are seen as the advance guard of the foot soldiers.  The only difference is the methodology. Unlike the alleged Fulani quasi armed methods, other nationalities believe in the econimic methodology through the capture of the centre 

Several ethnicities are surreptitiously planning what they accuse the Fulani of staging but are not yet successful because they do not yet have the leverage of power to carry it out.  Can you see how many South South and South East elements GEJ introduced into the loop of corruption during his rule?  So a pattern of power, corruption and ethnic consideration can be easily identified.

Yes, a redesigning of the nation to forestall these prebendal machinations is the only way to not only save the country but ensure it rises to meet its destiny.  That is why this will be the central battle ground for the next election. A party that signifies it can pragmatically meet these challenges and point the way forward is the party Nigerians should vote for.  The erstwhile two dominant parties have demonstrated that given a chance they have failed the nation.

This is why Im convinced a new party demonstrably a party of the commonality of Nigerians, in the problem solving manifesto they present, is the party Nigeria needs.

OAA



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Oga OAA,

Who will run the ranches and who will act as the foot workers in the ranches within this vision you present?

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Well when I finished my 'O' levels I informed my father that I wanted to go to the school of Agriculture ( he was a mega agro- industrial entrepreneur at the time) where I understood they were paid as they learned and given mobylette  motorcycle to boot.  The qualifications would be at 'A' levels, as in similar institutions ( just like what my father wanted as a pre- requisite for entering university) only that I would be paid to learn for the first time in my life.  I was tired of reading and reading only with empty pockets ( and I envied some of my mates who went to work immediately after our 'O' levels.)  My father looked at me aghast like I was a fly just dropped in his beer mug and pronounced no such thing would happen.

So there are training institutions for middle level manpower to man such facilities.  There could be weeks long short  training courses for lower level manpower, the kind needed to retrain Fulani herdsmen ( many of such institutions are located in the North, particularly the Kaduna axis as a list of institutions in the North shared in this listserv a few months ago demonstrates.)

There is superabundant manpower availability among the jobless in Nigeria to man such ranches.


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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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"Many ethnicities are planning what they accuse the Fulani of staging"

OAA

The development of terrorism on a national scale, integrating a massacre fed private army, civilians as foot soldiers,  a pressure group comprising it's most prominent ctizens and the Presidency, is unthinkable outside the inhuman fanaticism enabled by the ethno-religous supremacist ideology that Usman Dan Fodio's  jihad has bequethed.

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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Why do you see it as a crusade against the Fulani, Gloria?

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​Beset with the stated idea of the German Nazi Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Paul Goebbels, that if lies are repeated very often and sufficiently, the general public will eventually accept the lies as true, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju continues to bash the Fulani people of Nigeria as ethnic supremacists and terrorists without any concrete evidence to support his assertion. Mr. Adepoju surreptitiously attributes the branding of Fulani herdsmen as one of the deadliest terrorist groups in the world to unnamed International Terrorist Watch Agencies to justify his fraudulent claim and he wants us to believe him. Mr. Adepoju's aversion for the Fulani people, regardless of if they are herdsmen or not, is diagnosed by psychologists/psychiatrists as paranoia. The paranoid personality, they say, does not trust anyone and believes that he had better be on his own for other persons would betray him; he is suspicious; he fears that people would demean him, see him as not good enough; fears being belittled, humiliated, degraded, insulted and disgraced; he tends to accuse people of doing what they did not do, hence he generates quarrels with them.

What every normal human being should demand from Mr. Adepoju is to produce evidences of forcibly occupied land areas by Fulani herdsmen in Nigeria and which are being defended by a private and heavily armed Fulani army. No matter how high the stupidity quotient of any person is, that person should be able to know that one cannot occupy another person's land area by force with cattle without armed personnel to defend the annexation. Subsequent fight over the annexed land area would defeat the purpose of occupation as the cattle would either be killed or run away from their herders. A gun carrying herder with a flock of about fifty cows is defensive against a rustler and is in no way offensively armed to occupy a land area by force. In the good olden days, herders were equipped with sticks to weep a digressing cow into the flock and, perhaps with, a cutlass to cut down branches of a tree for cattle to feed on the leaves. Now, a herder has to carry gun to defend his cattle against cattle rustlers but Nigeria's overnight millionaires, without owning factories, in the MDAs who live in gated quarters with high fences and security guards against armed robbers are complaining against herders carrying guns to defend themselves against cattle rustlers. What a hypocrisy is that? Nigeria's academic bandits in the Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) whose handiworks have created mass illiteracy, unemployment, kidnappings, armed robbers and rural banditries are diverting debates from the consequents of their own banditry to ethnicity and religion. Besides the academic bandits, there are schizophrenics suffering from hallucinations (hearing or seeing things that do not exist) and delusions (believing in things that are untrue) associating Fulani herdsmen with all crimes in Nigeria. Their hallucinations seem to have now reached psychosis level whereby they are unable to distinguish between reality and their own imagination. Where will a herder keep his herds to go and rape a woman? The psychotics will tell us that herdsmen used to surround houses with their cows, go inside to rape and come out again to guard their cows on foot without being apprehended. As many rapes herdsmen have been alleged to have committed in Nigeria, Nigerians have never received reports of high rates of rape-related abortions across the country. Are herdsmen specialists in raping menopaused and infertile women or are the sperms of raping herders very weak? Maybe Mr Adepoju and his fellow Fulani herdsmen's bashers can help to answer the compound question.
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Kadiri,

This 2015 defense of yours, when this evil was not so well known, has long become meaningless.

Please arrive in the present and dialogue with the whole of Nigeria, from the Middle Belt to South Kaduna to the SW and SE and Edo that are groaning under this horror and crying out daily. 

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Alagba Salimonu Kadiri,
I thought we have gone past this unnecessary defense of the indefensible. Please what other evidence are you looking for other than to read the Nigerian dailies everyday or call home once in a while to know what your people are suffering from the hands of the armed fulani herdsmen. No one says all Fulanis are kidnappers, but from all available lived evidence, they are in the forests of the Southwest kidnapping and collecting ransoms. Let me give you two latest instances. My brother is into farming in Ondo State, He called last week  to say, Fulani herdsmen drove their cows into his farm and those of other 6 farmers and ate up the crops. They reported the case to the Police but nothing came out of it. Why?, They said the culprits are highly connected . Secondly, just this afternoon I read in an online news outlet that three farmers were kidnapped by the same herdsmen in Iju Akure North Local Government, Ondo State. . I called my  father inlaw who is from that town and he confirmed that the Fulani herdsmen did not only kidnap the three farmers but killed a young boy who had gone with others in search of the missing people. My inlaw told me the kidnappers are demanding 50million  naira. Sir, we are in an emergency and I fear if nothing is done by the authorities at the state and national levels the resultant conflagration will be difficult to manage when non-state actors resort to self-help. The Garba Shehu, the IGP and  regime apologists on this forum  who can ask Sunday Igboho to be arrested for having the courage to defend his people are sleeping everyday and have nothing to say to the AK-47 marauders who are destroying farms, and kidnapping travellers at will. 

If there are leaders of thought in Nigeria and diaspora who are mindful of the verdict of history, this is the time to act. No one will hands off and continue to witness this daylight oppression and fold the arms until they are completely subjugated in their ancestral lands... As Martin Luther King says, In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends/ 
While we may be safe in our locations, let's think about the fate of our people, not only now but in the generation to come. The sentimental defense of the indefensible must stop. Let's go beyond enthic chauvinism and respond to the emergency at hand. Asking people not to talk against killers because all Nigerians have the right to live in any part of the country is hypocritical and a blatant resort to ethnic supremacy. Every life  and livelihood matters, not only that of the Fulanis or their cows,

Shaking my head and disbelief at the level of apathy of  leaders of thought to the existential threat to their people. 
Femi


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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Imagine-

;;...just this afternoon I read in an online news outlet that three farmers were kidnapped by the same herdsmen in Iju Akure North Local Government, Ondo State. . I called my  father inlaw who is from that town and he confirmed that the Fulani herdsmen did not only kidnap the three farmers but killed a young boy who had gone with others in search of the missing people. My inlaw told me the kidnappers are demanding 50million  naira''
Femi Segun

  Nigerians have been made like beasts of prey in their own country  

so Amotekun is a joke after all, OPC is a spent force,   Gani Adams of no consequence?

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Salimonu Kadiri

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​Mr. Adepoju,
If you think that my submission is a 2015 defence of Fulani herdsmen, in what year was Fulani herdsmen declared as one of the deadliest terrorist group in the world by your unnamed terrorist watch agencies? It is now a trend to see Fulani herdsmen everywhere in Nigeria even though Fulani population in Nigeria, regardless of whether they are herdsmen or of other professions, are a minority in the country. The current trend is for many who do not have farms to claim that their crops have been eaten up by cows driven by armed Fulani in anticipation that the government, Federal or State, shall compensate them, farmers with ghost plantations. Shine your eyes, Mr. Adepoju.
S. Kadiri   

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Salimonu Kadiri

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​JUST IMAGINE!!!!
I have just read in the social media that a Professor has shoplifted in Atlanta. My natural and common-sense reaction to the media reporters is to ask : How did the reporters know that the shoplifter was a professor?; Was he clothed in his academic gown with the insignia of a professor?; and was the shoplifter arrested and identified and if not, how did they know that the shoplifter is a professor?
S. Kadiri

 

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Did Uthman Dan Fodio sow the seeds of the ethnic cleansing in Rwanda?

Why did the Fulani not carry out the terrorism you speak of under Gowon and Obasanjo or Shagari ?( Shagari was Fulani)

Why was Shagari able to stop decisively the forerunner of Boko Haram in Bornu (Maitatsine)  in the early 80s?


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"Many ethnicities are planning what they accuse the Fulani of staging"

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The development of terrorism on a national scale, integrating a massacre fed private army, civilians as foot soldiers,  a pressure group comprising it's most prominent ctizens and the Presidency, is unthinkable outside the inhuman fanaticism enabled by the ethno-religous supremacist ideology that Usman Dan Fodio's  jihad has bequethed.

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Na was.

I was looking forward to Kadiri's usual trying-to-turn-reality-on-it's head scholarship but it seems even this whitewasher of terrorism is out of steam.

I'll think about Olayinka' question since it could have some potential for better appreciation of the development of the ideological roots of Nigeria's current challenge with Fulani supremacists who are using cattle nomadism as a terrorist tool.

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ADDENDUM

Let me supply the answer in part to the posers I gave ( you can add to this)

As HE Obasanjo remarked in his zoom interview there is a weakness in the leadership style of this administration at several levels, that so many people are taking advantage of Mr President ( including some governors, according to Obasanjo.)

Buhari seems obsessed with shaking off the image of draconian dictator that bedevilled his first military coming that he seems willing to overlook excesses from any group that threatens stability until it is too late and then over reacts when that threat is too late and almost uncontainable e.g. # End SARS.  When some groups see what others are getting away with, they too try their luck until the state is overwhelmed with a plethora of security emergencies.  Buhari seems obsessed with portraying himself as a converted democrat who no longer believes in exclusive use of force to solve urgent security issues e.g the laughable scheme ( suggested to him by ludicrous advisers ) of  winning the heart and mind of Boko Haram fighters and even paying them money to release kidnapped citizens, rather than seeking out the kidnappers and finishing them off by all means ( compare that to the way the US sent in a commando team last year to rescue kidnapped Americans through impeccable dog nosed intelligence, and destroying the kidnappers in the encounter.)

The matter is not helped with interpretation by many that civic rights under a presidential democracy means people can do jolly well what they like unless the Constitution expressly forbids it ( mature or immature, threat to peace or no threat to peace.  You can be arrested for a breach of the peace in the UK even if what you are agitating for is lawful.)  I remember myself and Moses Ochonu in disagreement over this when Ndubuisi Kanu was going on and on about MASSOB and Moses saying there are many of such groups in the US and no one stops them, until Kanu was apprehended because police found he was involved in the stockpiling of arms.

So what you see as a Fulani masterplan to colonise ( despite what some misguided Fulani may say, which is impracticable given the nature of the Nigerian state and Constitution) is nothing more than leadership crises, where presidential democracy has gone haywire in unpractised hands ( in part due to the nature of presidential democracy itself and the need for its reform and adaptation.)

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​Mr Femi Segun, 
I am not defending anything. As the Yoruba aphorism says : ENI MA RI IRE GBA, ETO NIPE KO SE RERE - roughly translated to if you want justice for yourself, you must practise justice. The unjust society created by academic bandits and thieves in the Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) of Nigeria are the root causes of the herder-farmer clashes in Nigeria. We cannot in the 21st century leave leprosy and be chasing ringworm. That the herdsmen are still roaming across the country in the 21st century is a crime which the intellectual thieves in Nigeria's MDAs should be accused of. The intellectual thieves in the MDAs are incapable of planning for a day not to talk of tomorrow and the future. Nomadic pastoralism is as primitive as farming with hoes and cutlasses but when solutions to the problems of cattle breeding and crops farming were proposed and financed the thieves in the MDAs hijacked the project stole a large part of the funds and abandoned the project and left the poor herders and crop farmers to fight/kill one another. While we are talking about herder-farmer clashes, in Abuja people fisticuff with one another over space to defecate in a city planned and built by our over-educated Christian Muslim intellectuals from all the so-called tribes.
122,000 Nigerians, including 87,000 children under the age of five, die each year from diarrhoea, with the country losing N455 billion annually due to poor sanitation.”

You averred : No one says all Fulani are kidnappers, but from all available lived evidence, they are in the forests of the Southwest, kidnapping and collecting ransoms. In the same vein, most kidnappers in Nigeria are not Fulani and no Fulani herdsman has ever been caught and arrested for kidnapping for ransoms.

You narrated :  ..... just this afternoon, I read in an online news outlet that three farmers were kidnapped by the same herdsmen in Iju Akure North Local Government, Ondo State. I called my father in-law who is from the town and he confirmed that the Fulani herdsmen did not only kidnap the three farmers but killed a young boy who had gone with others in search of the missing people. My in-law told me the kidnappers are demanding 50 million naira.

The above heart wrenching narratives began with the Fulani herdsmen driving their cows into your brother in-law's and six others' farm to eat up their crops. I now appeal to your sense of reasoning and not emotion. You averred that the same herdsmen who drove their cows into your brother in-law's farm and six others to eat up their plants went further to kidnap three farmers in Iju, Akure North Local Government Area, Ondo State. That means that the criminal herders were not far away from the scenes of destroyed farms and it was possible to identify and associate them not only with the destruction of the seven farms, but with the kidnapping of three farmers. How many were the herdsmen and how large was their flock? Where could the herdsmen hide the three abducted farmers in an open farmland? How many people were in the search group containing the young boy that was allegedly killed by the Fulani herdsmen? Were the searchers unarmed while searching for the three missing farmers? Were the searchers for the three missing farmers together with the young boy when he was killed? If not, how was it confirmed that Fulani herdsmen killed him? If yes, what was the reaction of the rest in the search group of the missing three farmers? Was the demand for a ransom of 50 million naira made after the killing of the young boy or before? In what language was the demand for ransom communicated? To whom was the sum of ransom payment addressed and how was the ransom money to be delivered? Were the Fulani herdsmen with their cows when they demanded for ransom? Answers to these questions cast doubts on the truthfulness of the story of Fulani herdsmen as kidnappers.
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This is just an exercise in  precious time wasting. As I write, my heart is pained as I have just received a gory picture of another person killed  in my country side in the same Ondo State  by your beloved Fulani herdsmen. My own uncle escaped by the whiskers.. I think it may amount to callousness to make light or jest about issues that involved loss of lives. I have had enough. 

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Alagba Salimonu Kadiri,
Here is the evidence. But I know you will still ask how the family of the person who was killed knew that the killers were Fulani herdsmen. On matters of life and death, I believe there must be an end to triviality. A little empathy is what is required to show our humanity. This man who was brutally murdered for daring to go to the farm that belongs to his ancestors  was a father to children and a husband to a women. I hope Professor Jubril Ibrahim who has been canvassing for herdsmen to be allowed to be grazing everywhere without let or hindrance despite their atrocities is  also read this. The cup of iniquity will be full one day and it wont be long.


How herdsmen strangled my cousin to death over grazing –Akeredolu’s aide




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​Incidentally, we are both from Ondo State and none of us would wish any of our people to be a victim of crimes from whatever quarters. However, in scripture and in the Nigerian laws it is forbidden to bear false witness. Since most of the kidnappers and murderers in Nigeria are not Fulani (herdsmen) it must be wrong and unjust to attribute all kidnappings and murders in the country only to the Fulani people. I love all my neighbours, not just the Fulani, as myself.
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​Femi Segun : "Here is the evidence," you wrote. But according to your punch's link it is written, "Some suspected Fulani herdsmen, have reportedly killed a farmer, Mr. Dayo Ibiye, on his farm at Ajowa Akoko in the Akoko North West Local Government Area of Ondo State on Friday." From the account rendered above, the murderers of Mr Dayo Abiye were not known which was why the report says *some suspected Fulani herdsmen.* What may be true is that Mr Ibiye was murdered but not by who. Fulani herdsmen are suspected to have carried out the murder because they had verbal exchanges on grazing of cattle in his farm on Thursday and which did not lead to any physical combats. The (suspected) herdsmen were presumed to have come back on Friday and certainly without their cows to attack Mr. Ibiye "with different weapons but when they realised that they couldn't overpower him, they strangled him to death." How many were the suspected herdsmen and what kind of different weapons were used to attack him? This type of evidence must come from, at least, a person that witnessed the incident. And I wonder how a person who cannot be overpowered with different weapons could be strangled. It doesn't make sense to me.
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Buhari didn’t seem to have this “new found democratic” restraint or weakness with Operation Python Dance I & II. Buhari can be decisive when he wants to be. Please stop making excuses for Buhari administration’s incompetence; he already has his paid propaganda machine to do so for him. 

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Gozie:

If you state that an administration demonstrates weakness at several levels, can you be accused of finding excuse for the incompetence of such administration?

If you state that you do not have to be a genius ( as I did) to come to the conclusion that an administration has failed in its three main goals stated in its manifesto on corruption, security and restructuring, and to call for the formation of a new party of government in waiting, can you be accused of finding excuses for that administration's incompetence?


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Buhari didn’t seem to have this “new found democratic” restraint or weakness with Operation Python Dance I & II. Buhari can be decisive when he wants to be. Please stop making excuses for Buhari administration’s incompetence; he already has his paid propaganda machine to do so for him. 

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Honestly, i think we speak a lot of English.

Are we saying what is happening in Oke Ogun area of Oyo State presently is mere allegation??

What happened in Benue state in the past two years is another mere allegation?? The Kaduna state one is childsplay??? The Zamfara state one too is what??? a Hollywood movie??? There is already an economic and  food production crisis in the country !!!

The body language of the government is pretty obvious even to ordinary people !!! If you are on ground listening to real time interviews on local radio and television stations in Nigeria especially in Western Nigeria where there are at least 5 local radio stations in each state; you wont have any doubt that we are in trouble. Whereas we are defending our usual positions 'intellectually' people are dying everyday!!! Nobody in the South West of Nigeria can come out openly to talk about creating ranches. The person will be stoned !!! Everyone on the street is angry. Death by other means is bad enough but wanton loss of lives through people claiming rights to peoples family land and farm land is annoying. Now we cant travel beyond 6pm for fear of being kidnapped!!! Please lets intensify discussions on a political solution to this annoying Nigerian situation!!! 

This problem is real please !!! Like serious commentators have pointed out if it is not handled with all the seriousness it deserves, it might be steps towards the end of Nigeria !!! I dont want to say more.....i quickly erased my last two sentenses !!! 





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When the voice of reason still matters and can salvage a precarious situation, this Punch Editorial is of critical importance to any one who has ears to hear.


Killer herders: Time for civil mobilisation

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ALARMED by the escalating bloodletting, kidnapping and destruction of farmland perpetrated by Fulani herdsmen almost everywhere, prominent Nigerians have warned of the rapid descent into anarchy if the current nonchalance of the Federal Government persists. Nobel laureate, Wole Soyinka, is the latest concerned statesman to express grave misgivings about the unserious manner the President, Major General Muhammadu Buhari (retd.), is handling the killer herders’ menace. Strict enforcement of the law is needed to protect innocent and law-abiding citizens. But stricter enforcement is required to prevent crime, arrest criminals and bring them to justice. The Buhari regime has failed on both counts.

The criminal Fulani herders’ campaign of cruelty and horror across the country must be arrested by all legal means. Soyinka pointedly declared that the current situation across the country, particularly in the South-West, might develop into a civil war. “What do they expect of us now that the war is on our doorstep? Of course, there will be mobilisation and if we keep waiting for this to be centrally handled, we are all going to become, if not already, slaves in our land. That to me is personally intolerable. It is not an acceptable condition…whatsoever it takes, I stand ready to contribute in any way and I have made my governor understand this; that we are here not just to live in, but to live in dignity. Right now, our dignity is being rubbished.”

Truly, the right to be valued and respected for their own sake and to be treated with dignity is being serially violated by a regime that does not care a hoot whether people live or die. “My forest is being taken over, it’s been shrinking, and my normal hunting ground is shrinking. My family tells me that if I go in depth again, they will have me institutionalised,” Soyinka cried out. And this captures the daily existence of millions of citizens who live in fear of being kidnapped or slaughtered by murderous Fulani militants, both those locally sourced and those mobilised from the West and Central African sub-regions, apparently bent on a sinister mission in the country.

According to the International Crisis Group, the Fulani herdsmen have killed more Nigerians than Boko Haram has done since 2018. Under the pretext of herding, they are now entrenching themselves in the South-West forests from where they launch what the Afenifere group rightly describes as “guerrilla attacks” on all and sundry. Over the past weekend, these attacks have produced torrents of blood. The killer herders wreaked havoc in Delta, Ogun, Kaduna, Taraba, Edo, Sokoto and Abia states. Bandits slaughtered 19 people in two local government areas in Kaduna. Dele Olowoniyi was butchered in front of his farmhouse in Imeko Local Government Area of Ogun.

With Buhari looking lost and decidedly reluctant to act against the marauding herders, the awful spectre of civil war looms over the country, as Soyinka said. In the South-West, which is the new killing field of the herders, the citizens are unanimous in saying they can no longer accept the impunity of the killer herders’ invasion of the land of their birth and the humiliation. This is right and legitimate. Some non-state actors, like Sunday ‘Igboho’ Adeyemo, are taking on the murderous invaders in a manner that depicts a state of anomie. A cleric, Tunde Bakare, has argued that with the level of killings in Ibarapaland, “there could be 10,000 Sunday Igbohos” rising up to defend their people soon. In March 2018, a former Defence Minister, Theophilus Danjuma, had also called for self-defence, accusing the security forces of colluding with the Fulani herders to overrun the North-Central region.

This is the time to mobilise all segments of the South-West population to use all legitimate and legal instruments to defend their land, their lives and their property. It is not about politics, it is about self-preservation. Stakeholders should not allow the region to descend to the level of horrors in the North-Central or North-West regions where bandits seize territories, dictate to the government and openly attend meetings with senior government and security officials totting sophisticated arms.

The world has long accepted the principle of self-preservation as essential for human survival and coexistence. “The first law of nature,” said the famed British author, Samuel Butler, “is self-preservation.” It is the “strongest human instinct” and the “central aim of all life activities”, declared Boris Sidis, an American philosopher. The law recognises the right of every person to protect his life and property, including using reasonable force.

The right to free movement quoted by the Presidency and enablers of the herdsmen does not translate to the right to rapine. The constitutional right does not confer on anyone the licence to encroach on private or communal property, destroy others’ livelihood or run businesses outside the law. The UN Human Rights Committee recognises justifications for restrictions on free movement — such as terrorism, national security concerns and public health protection. The International Convention on Civil and Political Rights, to which Nigeria is one of the 74 signatories, acknowledges such exceptions within the law.

The Buhari regime should take a keen interest in Ethiopia’s affairs where ethnic crisis is charging at the very existence of the country. There are increasing fears that Ethiopia could break up. Bloomberg reports that violence increased in recent months following the killing of Hachalu Hundessa, a songwriter and activist from the Oromia region, the nation’s largest and most populous, and home to the capital Addis Ababa. In September, unidentified gunmen in the Benishangul-Gumuz region of western Ethiopia killed dozens of people and displaced hundreds. Nigeria, worse than Ethiopia, is still a very fragile country and should be handled with utmost care.

The killer-Fulani atrocious invasion is threatening to derail the country’s democracy, devastate the people, inflict lasting harm on Nigeria’s social fabric and economy and heighten communal tensions across the land. And as Soyinka warned, there are structural reasons to be fearful that the current situation may inadvertently trigger a civil war. This is not alarmist or separatist—it is, in fact, the only sensible way to avert it.

So what is to be done? The six South-West states’ governors and other centres of influence should ensure that the unprecedented violence unleashed on the region is stopped. The various anti-open grazing laws and other policy measures to maintain law and order in the region should be strictly enforced. The Amotekun project should not be politicised, but empowered properly to curb the menace of banditry.

Buhari must demonstrate that he is aware of the gathering storm; he can arrest the drift by an even-handed response to stop criminality anywhere in the country. “In a time of tension,” declared the late John F, Kennedy, “it is more important than ever to unite.”  Buhari should not allow narrow vested or sectional interests to destabilise the national order. He should immediately order the disarming of herdsmen across the country. Foreign herders who have taken over Nigerian forests and groves should be tracked down, dislodged and sent back to where they came from.

Nigerians need more than ever before to collaborate to combat insecurity. Policing should be decentralised and practical steps should be taken to restructure and reorganise the country into a truly stable, competitive federal system.

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Once Buhari became President of Nigeria the war was lost.

Why has this writer not examined the implications of governor Akeredolu being forced to eat his own words expeling the Fulani herdsmen from Ondo forests?

When Akeredolu made that declaration, I predicted that it would not work.

The political class are sold out. War wont work because the Fulani herdsmen and militia are very well armed, are securely entrenched and work in tandem with the Nigerian security forces, from army to police.

Looking to Buhari for help demonstrates a mindset I don't know how to characterize  lest I become insulting.

The only way out I can see are the Nnamdi Kanu/IPOB/ENDSARS options.

Shut the system down and demand radical change.

The Tinubu/Fayemi/Fashola SW political bloc have their eyes fixed on the 2023 Presidency.

The Peter Obi/other SE governors and Ohanaeze have their eyes fixed on the 2023 Presidency.

These characters  will tell you elective politics is the answer.

Vote for me/us and all will be okay.

Clearly a lie.

Only a mass civil society pressure can win this war.

I would be shocked if it is won any other way.

Demand independence of all regions within a restructured country or demand the breakup of the nation.

Fulani herdsmen terrorism, Boko Haram, are both woven from the same cloth. There are people in Nigeria who will never rest until they control the nation through sheer force.

Buhari is their man in politics, Miyetti Allah their civil society pressure group and Fulani herdsmen and their militia and Boko Haram their foot soldiers.

These people are Fulani and Northern Muslim ethno/religious supremacists.

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"​Why has this writer not examined the implications of governor Akeredolu being forced to eat his own words expelling the Fulani herdsmen from Ondo forests?" Vincent Adepoju.
Who has forced Governor Akeredolu to eat his own words and how?
Two underaged herdsmen have been caught with arms in Ondo state with 200 cows impounded by Amotekun.
​Action speaks louder than voice!!
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Akeredolu-Fulani herrdsmen must leave ondo forests by abc deadline or else

Governor's Forum on expiration of deadline: Akeredolu never made any such declaration. He only asked those who are in the forests to register.

Akeredolu: ( Silence but makes token gesture of arresting teenage herdsmen and impounding cows, all of whom will soon be released)

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