Did the West Engineer the Fall of Gaddafi?
Oluwatoyin Adepoju
Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
History Department, Central Connecticut State University
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
Concerning the murder of Colonel Gaddafi, indeed, sitting in relative safety over there in Nigeria or at Cambridge, in Merry England, or wherever it was that you were at those moments, it is understandable and no surprise at all, that you may as you say .” recall things differently”
I also listened live and direct to Saif Al-Islam broadcast to the rebels at Benghazi on the evening of 20th February 2011 on Al Jazeera
I continued to follow the news as - with Hillary Clinton in the saddle NATO swung into force overnight, to declare a no-fly zone over Libya… on that fateful night…
Cornelius Hamelberg
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
I take it as for granted that you have digested Gloria in excelsis Emeagwali’s reference
“MI6 whistleblower's partner accuses intelligence agencies of 'moral slide”
Given the significant role that Muammar Gaddafi played in Continental Africa and beyond ( he was crowned King of Kings in Accra, Ghana, and further afield I well remember that he invited Israel to join the Arab League - quite a radical invitation that must have pissed off some of the Kings and Queens, Princes and Princesses, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Ministers of Foreign Affairs, Military Leaders and general populations, the Arab Streets of The Arab League . Maybe, lurking at the back of his strategic mind, was the old adage “if you can’t beat them, join them”, whilst at the same time he was floating, or rather, dangling the idea of a bi-national state in front of them, a bi-national state to be known as Isratin. I suppose the “ if you can’t beat them,join them” ethos is a natural precursor to the Abraham Accords promising peace, tranquillity and prosperity for everybody.
It’s surprising that your post has not elicited any vehemence from Colonel Gaddafi’s faithful fans or any serious responses from the munafiqeen , the idiots, the idolaters ( the mushrikeen ) and some of the other hypocrites.
BTW, The only thing that I’ve ever held against the great man is that - according to a trusted Jewish friend from Libya, as part of his development plan for Tripoli, Colonel Gaddafi constructed a main highway that cut right through the main Jewish Cemetery in Tripoli - and - have a heart, you’ve surely heard people weeping that they do not allow even the dead to rest in peace in their graves and that it’s a favourite pastime of some of the anti-Semites to vandalize the graves in Jewish cemeteries - . Yirmiyahu (Jeremiah) - Chapter 31 - the whole chapter is instructive about this and other adjacent matters
At this point I only want to point out an error that you must have overlooked when you wrote,
“ The Arab Spring was brewing, ignited by the self immolation of Muhammad Boazizi in Algeria over govt oppression.”
The fact is that Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire in Sidi Bouzid in Tunisia -the most Europeanized of the North African countries.
It’s also important to make the distinctions between Morocco and Algeria
N.B. Algeria - France relations are at a bottom low just now….
Victor Okafor
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“I myself do not judge a man [or a woman] by the color of his [or her] skin. The yardstick that I use to judge a man [or a woman] is his [ or her] deeds, his [her] behavior, and his [or her] intentions." -- Malcolm X.
Cornelius Hamelberg
A few matters arising from what was mentioned earlier:
Just as Nigeria is not Zimbabwe, Ghana or Burkina Faso, so too Algeria (God forbid) is not Tunisia, or Morocco. Each North African country is proudly assertive of its national identity, often chauvinistically so. During my two-week holiday in Morocco some years ago, one thing I learned is that you don't ask a Moroccan,"Are you Arab or Berber?”
My impression is that Jews are more influential in Morocco than in Algeria where they were given the option of becoming Algerian citizens but on the whole chose to be French instead.
Back in time there’s a fascinating history of Judaised Berbers
Ages ago I had a very religious Black Arab Libyan friend, Mahmud, an Algerian-Irish friend once lived with me, later on a Moroccan family. I know and have met hundreds of North Africans -from Mauritania to Egypt and not even the slightest problem except - a Moroccan who liked to joke about “ Israeleone”- and an Egyptian who I once told to say “ InshAllah” when making promises about the future. He got very angry and asked me, “ You want to teach ME Arabic?” On the other hand my brother says that if a Muslim owes you any money and says “InshAllah”, it means that he does not intend to pay you back…
Gaddafi inviting Israel to join the Arab League and Israel’s probable reaction to such a radical suggestion is easy to anticipate and understand if just for a moment we take time out to remember the ire, the opposition, and the hostility towards some members of the African Union who were toying with what they thought was a preposterous proposal that Israel should be granted observer status to attend African Union Summits,
The majority instinct was Hell No ! Or as the Scot would shout, "Not bloody likely!”
I suppose that at heart the RSVP would be treated with either levity or disdain , since to begin with, diplomatically speaking Israeli membership of the Arab League would be a contravention of the declared aims and purposes of the League ,mainly to promote Arab interests. On their own behalf they’ll probably say that they are our cousins,”the children of Abraham.”
I can well imagine Gamal Abdel Nasser and his Pan-Arabism disciples, the Nasserites foaming at the mouth and with fire flaring from their nostrils, at the faintest whiff of such an absurd suggestion. And maybe even the gallows for whichever Kafirun made such a treacherous, un-Islamic suggestion, especially at this historic time when Pan-Arabism and the Arab Street are witnessing the mass-slaughter and ethnic-cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Balk - and War Criminal Netanyahu’s latest announcement that he intends Israeli military control of all of Gaza, and “all of Gaza” of course would include the tich oil and gas deposits off the Coast of Gaza.
Imagine profound objections coming from some of the most rabbinic rabbis such as the late great Ovadia Yosef beating their chests that they are Jews, not “Ishmaelites” possibly even preaching about “mixed fibres”
Dr. Oohay
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Cornelius Hamelberg
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20th May , 2025
Dear Fela Aníkúlápó Kuti has said it all here in one word “Zombie”
“Zombie no go go, unless you tell am to go (zombie)
Zombie no go stop, unless you tell am to stop (zombie)
Zombie no go turn, unless you tell am to turn (zombie)
Zombie no go think, unless you tell am to think (zombie)”
Cash is king ?
With Artificial Intelligence on the horizon
and with “man the measure of all things”
either in your cradle or in our grave
sooner or later
we will all have to believe
is king & queen
Cornelius & Cleopatra
Dr Oohay & Chidi the opera singer
the genie and the other thing
according to 1 Corinthians 13
we shall have to believe
that thought has no race
is not racial
is humble
has not fame or shame
and that knowledge
even epistemology has wings
has many colours
rejoices with the truth
just ask Ojogbon
at least, that's the residual impression
that I got a few decades ago after reading
“In My Father’s House” by Kwame Anthony Appiah,
and discussing some of that grey matter over tea &
biscuits with one Bedu Annan.
Professor Victor Okafor’s prescriptive mentality,
His awesome mission to the House Negroes and Uncle Toms of Africa,
is much appreciated, just as Professor Griff and Jeru the Damaja also rapped,
“Sent to earth to educate the fool”
Dr. Bedford Nwabueze Umez expended a lot of mental energy on “the African Mind and Inferiority complex" trying to de-programme and get a lot of the errant children of Africa to reset, unpack and un-learn a lot of the baggage they are carrying, mostly unwittingly foisted upon them by their education/miseducation. True to the African oral tradition and with a little help from modern technology, here was Dr. Beford Umez in person - (Just imagine if back in the day we had had the blessings of modern technology, then non-stop Pastor Adeboye and his flock would have been watching, in living colour, the recorded history of Jesus preaching his “Sermon on the Mount”, Jesus performing miracles , Jesus walking on water, Jesus breaking bread and drinking wine at the Last Supper, Jesus crucified, his death, burial, resurrection and glorious ascension - and then the faithful wouldn’t have to believe because they would know what they had seen with their own eyes and heard with their own ears and confirmed in their own hearts.
Ghanaians who lived in Libya for many years have told me about the universal problem of racism which they encountered there, during the Gaddafi era
Since the demise of Gaddafi, racism towards Black Africans has become a lot worse
I asked some of the Ghanaian Brethren , “But you are Muslims?”
They replied, “ It doesn't matter, to them, once you’re Black. Even the Black Libyan Muslims discriminate against their Ghanaian Muslim Brothers.”
No wonder Jerry Rawlings chartered a plane to bring them back home to Ghana ,the Black Star Nation.
Fast forward : Libya: Slave Market. Black Africans auctioned as slaves
What was the Pan-African reaction?
Was there any ACTION?
Was there lots of Academic babble about REPARATIONS ?
I asked my Ghanaian Muslim Brethren who were formerly guests in Libya, well what do you have to say about those on the other side, in Benghazi? They answered uniformly, “ Those guys are all really Egyptians! They’re from Egypt. End of story.
Have to start thinking African , yes. Like Dr O.
But some of these great thinkers, are they not already compromised by language?
Isn’t Ojogbon’s oeuvre mostly in English?
In that respect how is he different from
You and me ,and how are we different from
the snake oil salesman Trump
and Big Grammar Kperogi
and Chief Chicken Feathers
defecating and self-celebrating
as the purveyor of shit poetry ?
Ignoramus would like to know
Victor Okafor
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