Young People Have Mentally Checked Out of Nigeria

[Farooq A. Kperogi]

Saturday, August 8, 2020

Young People Have Mentally Checked Out of Nigeria

 By Farooq A. Kperogi, Ph.D.

Twitter: @farooqkperogi

Young people are traditionally associated with vim, vigor, enthusiasm, and idealism. They energize social movements, inspire revolts, and help shape the contours of the future. But I’ve noticed that in the last few years, the vast majority of the Nigerian youth have effectively dissociated mentally from Nigeria.

They have lost interest in the affairs of government, human rights, democracy, social justice, and other high-minded ideals. Entertainment, gossip, comedy, football, and petty fights on social media are now their escape from the strain and stress of life in Nigeria.

I started observing this from the quality and quantity of engagement with news on social media. I noticed that the typical average “like” and “share” (or “retweet”) counts for stories shared on social media by Nigeria’s most visible national news platforms are always in the ballpark of 800.

Really impactful political stories may sometimes get up to 5,000 likes, shares, or retweets. I have never seen a story shared by a conventional Nigerian news platform that has attracted up to 10,000 likes, shares, or retweets.

But comedies, gossip, entertainment pages, football replays, BBNaija, etc. consistently get hundreds of thousands of likes, shares, retweets, and comments. Trending topics on Nigerian social media also reveal this reality.

In offline Nigeria, the culture of civil rebellion against tyranny is virtually gone. Student union activism, which used to be the initiatory rite to social justice activism, has been dead for a while. That’s why Omoyele Sowore’s #RevolutionNow protests attracted only a handful of the Nigerian youth. Scores of young people who should join it accepted pittance from the government to counter it and to deride it on social media.

There are at least three reasons for the progressively alarming mental dissociation of the Nigerian youth from issues that will shape their collective futures whether or not they realize it. The first obvious reason is plain, old, shortsighted self-interestedness. Human beings are biochemically wired to seek pleasure and avoid pain.

Nigeria is a source of endless mental and emotional anguish. From the decay of infrastructure, to rising insecurity, to the expanding oceans of blood across the country, to the conscienceless theft of national resources by everyone in government, to intractable impunity and lawlessness by people who are tasked with making and enforcing the law, Nigeria inflicts pain—even on those of us who are not directly affected by the country’s dysfunction because we live abroad.

In light of the frustration and helplessness that this state of affairs inspires, many people, including the youth, choose to escape into mental universes that they can control, that can give them ephemeral joys and freedom from disabling anxieties. Unfortunately, mental escapes don’t solve problems; they only suspend them temporarily.

The second reason why vast swaths of young Nigerians are no longer animated by social justice issues is that they have very few people to look up to for inspiration. With a few exceptions, most of the people who used to be at the vanguard of social justice are now in bed with the Buhari regime, which is by far the most tyrannical, the most inept, and certainly the most unjust government since the restoration of civilian rule in 1999—and perhaps in the entire history of Nigeria.

 If there is any regime that deserves to be confronted by a sustained, organized, nationwide, pan-Nigerian civil insurrection, more than any in Nigeria’s history, it is the Buhari regime, but it is ironically the one that is mollycoddled and legitimized by hitherto professional activists.

Activists who are not openly in bed with the regime run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, and most people are smart enough to know this. I’ve had the opportunity to speak with some former activists who are now unabashed pro-regime apologists, and they’re united in saying that they don’t want to be condemned to being economically disadvantaged, perpetual agitators for justice and democracy while undeserving people benefit from their toil.

They said other people should take off from where they left off. But that is simplistic. Their betrayal of the cause they were famous for hasn’t only broken the intergenerational continuity of a long tradition that goes back to the anti-colonial struggles of yore; it has damaged the credibility of civil activism. It has now caused people to see civil society activists and insurrectionists as mercenary opportunists who are waiting for a chance to be noticed by the government and rewarded with an invitation to join the plunder of the nation’s resources.

The third reason for young Nigerians’ mental break from their country is the forlorn hope they nourish that they would relocate from the country to a more prosperous, more secure, and more welcoming country in the near future. Survey after survey consistently shows Nigeria as the country with the highest number of people who desire to leave their country for another country.

For example, in a March 27, 2019 survey, Pew Research Center found that, “In Nigeria, Africa’s most populated nation, nearly half… of adults say they plan to move to another country within five years, by far the highest share among 12 countries surveyed across four continents.”

People who are resigned to relocating to another country in the near future will have a weakened commitment to their country since they see themselves as sojourners in their own homes. But the truth is that only a small fraction of people who want to relocate to other countries will be successful. That means the blithe unconcern to the solvable problems of the country that prospective exiles show will ultimately be counterproductive.

As many people have already pointed out, the vast amounts of money being mindlessly looted now by Buhari and his gang of criminals is borrowed money that today’s disconnected youth will have to repay someday. The Buhari regime is literally stealing and mortgaging the future of Nigeria’s youth.

The youth must snap out of their lethargy and inertia and reclaim their country. It is not an option. It’s a dire existential imperative.

Buhari’s Nigeria as a Terrorcracy in Terroraria

The Head of the US Special Operations Command in Africa, Maj.-Gen. Dagvin Anderson, told reporters on August 6 that Al Qaeda terrorists are infiltrating Nigeria’s Northwest. That didn’t come to me as a surprise. The Buhari regime has worked very hard in the past few years to fertilize Nigeria’s social soil for the growth and flourishing of terrorism.

The regime has become the greatest boon to terrorism. When Boko Haram terrorists capture civilians and soldiers alive, they either murder them in cold blood or release them only when government pays a handsome ransom.

But when Nigerian soldiers capture Boko Haram terrorists alive, they "deradicalize," "rehabilitate" and "reintegrate" them at the cost of millions. In other words, they get rewarded when they defeat Nigeria and again get rewarded when Nigeria defeats them. They win heads or tails.

On August 5, the regime upped the ante of its pro-terrorism policies. It told distraught Borno communities that they must accept “radicalized, rehabilitated, and reintegrated” Boko Haram terrorists who murdered their loved ones or risk having them “go back to terrorism.”

Then it added this telling and ominous line: “The Buhari administration is a responsible one and is conscious of its duty to the state and society, and to the victims of terror as well as to those who inflicted these pains and losses on our people.”

 So the government has a duty to “those who inflicted these pains and losses on our people”? What sort of government has a duty to mass murderers but not to peaceful protesters who are always crushed with disproportionate force?

This is a regime of terrorists, by terrorists and for terrorists. We might as well rename Nigeria Terroraria and the system it practices under Buhari terrorcracy.

Farooq A. Kperogi, Ph.D.

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Interesting and tragic.

Farooq,

to what degree is this metaphor and to what degree is it a literal statement- 

''This is a regime of terrorists, by terrorists and for terrorists. We might as well rename Nigeria Terroraria and the system it practices under Buhari terrorcracy.'  

 It is metaphorical if you mean that the goal of the Buhariu govt is to do good but their methods are backfiring.

 It is literal if you mean that the Buhari govt is actively  colluding with Boko Haram.

Which of the two is it? 

If there are other meanings that align with your intention, do clarify.

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[Anthony Akinola]

This definition of yours, government of terrorists by terrorists..., should have been conceded to Nnamdi Kanu

and whoever wants to drag his or her professional integrity on the mud. It is rather too extreme, if one must be

brutally honest.

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[Farooq A. Kperogi]

This comment of yours should have been conceded to Lai Mohammed, Garba Shehu, Femi Adesina or whoever wants to drag his reputation in the mud--if he ever had any, that is. It's rather too uncritically pro-regime and, worse, evinces a poor comprehension skill.

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[Farooq A. Kperogi]

Toyin,

Is there a possibility for a metaphor here? Metaphors compare two dissimilar things, usually the familiar with the unfamiliar, for evocative reasons. I haven't used a metaphor here. Buhari is literally mollycoddling terrorists and even justified forcing communities to "reintegrate" terrorists by saying he has as much duty to the terrorists as he does to their victims. 

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Anthony,

In what way/s is it justified to refer to Nnamdi Kanu as a terrorist?

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Toyin Adepoju.

Your observations are in order.  As a literary expert I know metaphors dont compare dissimilar things. ( Ken can confirm this. )

Buhari's methods may be questionable but we cannot infer he runs a government for terrorists by terrorists without inferring Yemi Osinbajo is a terrorist; last time I checked he wasnt.

OAA

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Toyin,

Is there a possibility for a metaphor here? Metaphors compare two dissimilar things, usually the familiar with the unfamiliar, for evocative reasons. I haven't used a metaphor here. Buhari is literally mollycoddling terrorists and even justified forcing communities to "reintegrate" terrorists by saying he has as much duty to the terrorists as he does to their victims. 

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"Anthony,

In what way/s is it justified to refer to Nnamdi Kanu as a terrorist?" ---  Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

Why the surprise? Regime apologists must justify their "retainership," and throw in their favorite punch bag for the needed distraction!

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[Anthony Akinola]

 I was a critic of Babangida, Buhari, and  Abacha. Even then, I did offer their regimes suggestions intended to move the nation forward.

As a much older person, I should advise you against obsessive criticism. You tend to want to seek every available opportunity

to insult Buhari and all he stands for. I should be surprised if there are not many who have chosen not to want to read whatever

you have written because of this. That would never have been the case if you were perceived by that class of readers as an objective critic.

I believe I had agreed with a couple of views expressed by you in the past.. Try not to always resort into uncontrollable anger 

and insulting rejoinder whenever a reader has cause to disagree with you.You should not venture into public intellectualism if you have assumed

your views to be sacrosanct.

My warm regards,

Anthony Akinola.

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Thanks, Farooq.

You equated Buhari, chief executive of Nigeria, supposed father of the nation,  with quintessential nation destroyers and vampires, terrorists.

So, we can agree then that you see Buhari as both President of Nigeria and a terrorist, a Boko Haram general more or less, who is working with Boko Haram to subdue Nigeria, building an Islamist caliphate in the North East and perhaps beyond?

Are we observing a strategy even more effective than that of Hezbollah in Lebanon and of the Irgun and the Stern Gang in British Occupied Palestine, through which terrorists groups eventually became part of govt, in Lebanon or became govt, as with Irgun and Stern Gang leaders later becoming Prime Ministers of Israel and their forces absorbed into the Israeli army?

Would you see any connections between the direction of the Buhari govt and the open support of Fulani militia/violent Fulani herdsmen terrorism internal colonisation intiatives by the Fulani elite headed group Miyetti Allah, wuitgh the full support of the Buhari govt?

thanks

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

thanks OAA.

Metaphors compare two things that are different in order to suggest an underlying value they may share through association.

Why should Osinbajo be excluded from considerations of the orientation of the Buhari govt to which he belongs as ostensible No.2 figure?

Is he known to be in any conflict with Buhari on the subject?

It was well known that Atiku, as VP,  was in conflict with OBJ over the latter's aspirations to continue in office as President, if i recall correctly.

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[Anthony Akinola]

I have not said Nnamdi Kanu was a terrorist.

 I remember he once described Buhari as a terrorist,

hence I wrote that the definition in question should

have been conceded to him.

Regards,

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[Farooq A. Kperogi]

You are Anthony Akinola. I am Farooq Kperogi. We have different temperaments. Who are you to tell me to be you? Because you're an older person? Ha! Take your gerontocratic arrogance to someone else. It doesn't work with me. You're older than I am, but someone is also older than you are, and I am as well older someone else. At my age, no one can intimidate me with age.

 The fact that you criticized Babangida, Abacha, and others in the past is the more reason you also criticize Buhari if your previous criticisms were animated by principles and independent-mindedness and not knee-jerk groupism. But you--and many of the people who made pretenses to higher ideals in the past--have sold your consciences and have become soulless accomplices in and enablers of Buhari's brutal despoilation of Nigeria. 

 If you don't want my comebacks to your pro-regime propaganda, you have an option: keep your peace. It's that easy.

Farooq

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[Anthony Akinola]

You are a newcomer in this matter of public debate and debating.

I have been in it before you were born. If you want to engage me,

except that I always take personal integrity into consideration,

I say carry on.

Regards,

Akinola

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[Victor Okafor]

Who hasn't checked out of Nigeria mentally? Name just one person. Was it not yesterday that we read that even in the midst of Covid-19, the first-lady of Nigeria was flown to Dubai for a medical check-up/treatment. So, as usual, our political leaders have learned nothing! Instead of using lessons learned from Covid-19's amplification of shortcomings in internal medical institutions to turn a new leaf and seek/introduce measures to improve the conditions of internal medical facilities, the ruling elite appear to continue with their pre-Covid-19 slap-in-the-face-of-the-masses-of-Nigeria by jetting abroad whenever they fall ill or merely need routine medical check-up, and thereby leaving the rest of the population to live or die with the ill-maintained medical institutions of the country. Did I ever hear that Aso Rock has its own medical clinic? While the country is closed to international passenger flights for all, the elite reserve their right to open the international air-space whenever their own special interests warrant it. So, what symbolic message does all this send to young Nigerians about Nigeria? Be proud of your country, jump up and dance for your country, feel good about your country, or feel like someone who is helplessly trapped inside a suffocating cage, eagerly searching for a chance to get out of it?

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[OLAYINKA AGBETUYI]

My own objections are clear: terroracracy as system.  Show me where Osinbajo expouses that quality i.e terroracracy in his dealings or his statement.  By your implication he should be supporting OPC  and the Niger Delta militants.  Show me where he stated that he supports them.

You have isolated only one instance in which Atiku disagrees with Obasanjo because that blocks his ascension to power.  Where else did they disagree as compared to Osinbajo and Buhari?

I have not disagreed with Farooq on Buhari's methodology but on his goal.

Your application of metaphor is dead wrong.  I have been in literature for more than forty years.

The difference between a metaphor and a simile lies only in the mode of deployment.  Does a simile compare different things?

OAA

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thanks OAA.

Metaphors compare two things that are different in order to suggest an underlying value they may share through association.

Why should Osinbajo be excluded from considerations of the orientation of the Buhari govt to which he belongs as ostensible No.2 figure?

Is he known to be in any conflict with Buhari on the subject?

It was well known that Atiku, as VP,  was in conflict with OBJ over the latter's aspirations to continue in office as President, if i recall correctly.

toyin

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To yin Adepoju:

I will ask you and not Farooq whose methods everyone on the forum knows by now :  Can you not see a disjunct between the conflicting depiction of Buhari as man who is literally in a life machine and who is incapable of recognising his immediate surroundings let alone run a government and the antithetical portrayal as a devious, scheming and calculating terrocrat?

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Thanks, Farooq.

You equated Buhari, chief executive of Nigeria, supposed father of the nation,  with quintessential nation destroyers and vampires, terrorists.

So, we can agree then that you see Buhari as both President of Nigeria and a terrorist, a Boko Haram general more or less, who is working with Boko Haram to subdue Nigeria, building an Islamist caliphate in the North East and perhaps beyond?

Are we observing a strategy even more effective than that of Hezbollah in Lebanon and of the Irgun and the Stern Gang in British Occupied Palestine, through which terrorists groups eventually became part of govt, in Lebanon or became govt, as with Irgun and Stern Gang leaders later becoming Prime Ministers of Israel and their forces absorbed into the Israeli army?

Would you see any connections between the direction of the Buhari govt and the open support of Fulani militia/violent Fulani herdsmen terrorism internal colonisation intiatives by the Fulani elite headed group Miyetti Allah, wuitgh the full support of the Buhari govt?

thanks

toyin

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

na wa.

i beg, invoking the centuries one has spent in studying anything should never be part of a debate. 

just present your logic and references, if any.

happily, you used the fine term ''terrorcracy as system'', summing up the current tragic reality.

you should know by now my views  that Buhari is a terrorist and runs a terrorist govt.

i have given my reasons severally.

osinbajo's views are irrelevant in the equation. whatever they might be, they are either part of or have no effect on the combined forces of right wing Fulani terrorism of which Buhari is ultimate enabler and Boko Haram terrorism of which he has always been an outspoken enabler.

in 2015 I published an essay stating he would not defeat Boko Haram bcs he identifies with them.

i am yet to be proven wrong.

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[Yusuf Adamu]

Farooq is obsessed with hatred for Bihari. For a long time many serious people have stopped reading his stuff. We always pray for him to get well soon.

My advise is he should come back home and join politics, he is famous and am sure his people can elect him into the national assembly, by then Bihari is gone and he and other supposed progressives can change Nigeria.

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[Farooq A. Kperogi]

Yusuf Adamu, learn to write basic English. Maybe after then you might be able to articulate coherent thoughts and invite a response. Or, better still, write in a language you're comfortable with and get an English translator.

But, seriously, why are people given to these sorts of airheaded juvenility? What has running for an elective office got to do with what I have written here and the harm that Buhari is inflicting on Nigeria? Must everyone run for elective office? And who cares if brain-dead, barely literate chauvinists don't read me because of my piercing scrutiny of their demigod?

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[OLAYINKA AGBETUYI]

To yin Adepoju:

We have been here before. Buhari adopted his strategy against Boko Haram because Goodluck Jonathan paved the way by the precedent of bribing MEND to stop their terrorist acts. I did not read either you or Farooq calling Jonathan an enabler of terrorists then. Why the double standards?  

It was in that context that Buhari made the statement  military fight against Boko Haram being a fight against the North which has often been quoted out of context.( This was why your Miyetti Allah ' Fulani terrorists' were demanding compensation too.)

 In my opinion both Buhari and Jonathan are wrong in deploying that strategy.  If any group raises arms against the Federal Republic of Nigeria, its armed forces or its peoples for whatever reasons to solve any issues they should be brought to surrender through unremitting military means.  Biafra established that doctrine categorically.  We can not have double standards when it comes to these issues.

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na wa.

i beg, invoking the centuries one has spent in studying anything should never be part of a debate. 

just present your logic and references, if any.

happily, you used the fine term ''terrorcracy as system'', summing up the current tragic reality.

you should know by now my views  that Buhari is a terrorist and runs a terrorist govt.

i have given my reasons severally.

osinbajo's views are irrelevant in the equation. whatever they might be, they are either part of or have no effect on the combined forces of right wing Fulani terrorism of which Buhari is ultimate enabler and Boko Haram terrorism of which he has always been an outspoken enabler.

in 2015 I published an essay stating he would not defeat Boko Haram bcs he identifies with them.

i am yet to be proven wrong.

toyin

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[Yusuf Adamu]

Farooq, you are an English teacher. Your arrogance and hatred has made you sick. You need help.

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

The depiction of Buhari as incapacitated is Farooq's.

My depiction of Buhari as a terrorism enabler began with my observation of his response to Boko Haram since 2013, leading to my 2015 essay describing him as a person who, because of his sympathies, would not defeat Boko Haram even though that hope from others was a central selling point of his Presidential candidacy as "a general who would lead from the front".

Post 2015 escalation of Fulani militia terrorism with the open enabling by the Buhari govt and right wing Fulani elite exemplified by Miyetti Allah suggests he is at the centre of a national terror network of which Boko Haram and Fulani herdsmen militia are two complementary arms.

Thanks

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[Okechukwu Ukaga]

Farooq,

How do you know Yusuf Adamu does not know how to write basic English? Notably, this forum is for exchange of ideas and information, not for test of English proficiency. And many people ( I included) contribute in a hurry via cellphone. IPad and the like without taking time to proof read and edit before sending. The most important thing is that the receivers get and understand the message. And you clearly did judging from your response. But the part about need to learn how to write basic English is both presumptuous and unnecessary. I should also point out that even you have posted things on this list that are not perfect/correct. So be a bit humble and gracious my brother. You write well and often make good point. And as a communication scholar you should know NOT to let your style (which folks find insulting) get in the way. After all, you are in the end writing to communicate. 

Regards,

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[Okey Iheduru]

If Mohammadu Buhari was not given the opportunity to become Nigerian President, by now, people that I know would be claiming that he was the best President Nigeria never had and still be believing and saying that:

- Buhari would have killed Corruption. Nigeria would have been like Finland 🇫🇮 where there is zero tolerance for corruption.

- Nigeria's Judiciary System would have been sanitized and repositioned to be among the best Judiciary Systems in the world.

- Nigerian Police Force would have been like the reliable and dependable Police Forces we cherish so much in Europe and America. 

- the Petroleum Refineries in Portharcourt, Kaduna and Warri would have been overhaulled and now be working at 💯% capacity.

- More Petroleum Refineries would have been built to serve the Nation and export refined Petroleum Products to the neighboring countries to earn revenues. 

- Gas flaring would been a thing of the past.

- Free cooking gas channeled to all houses in Nigeria.

- every corrupt politician would have been sentenced to minimum of 100 years imprisonment, some killed by hanging for stealing Public Funds. 

- there would have been uninterrupted electricity in all the nooks and crannies of Nigeria.

- Michelin, Dunlop, Nestlé, MTN, Procter & Gamble, Roch, Samsung, Apple, LG, Siemens, HP, Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, and other multi-national companies would have moved their headquarters to Nigeria. Or established their manufacturing plants in Nigeria. 

- Free meals, free tuition fees, free accommodation would have been introduced and implemented in the Nigerian Universities.

- Nigerian Hospitals would been better and more equipped than the hospitals in Libya 🇱🇾, Egypt 🇪🇬, South-Africa to compete with hospitals in USA 🇺🇸, Germany 🇩🇪, Switzerland 🇨🇭, Italy 🇮🇹, UK 🇬🇧, Russia 🇷🇺 etc.

- there would have  been Free Medicare for all Nigerians. 

- Nigerian roads would have be among the best roads in the world.

- Bokoharam, Militancy Insurgencies would have been issues of the past. 

- Ships would have been berthing at River-Niger, containers being offloaded at Onitsha.

- Price Control Mechanism to checkmate unnecessary and greedy hike of prices of commodities and rents in Nigeria. 

- Dollar would have been at par with Naira or Naira having more value than Dollar.

- Fuel (Premium Motor Spirit) would have been cheaper than water as it was in Libya 🇱🇾 during Mohammed Gaddafi's regime.

- Job racketeering would have been a thing of the past. Thus, employments would have become strictly on merit.

- Admission racketeering would have been a thing of the past. Thus, admission into the Nigerian Universities will be basically on merit. 

- There would have been Affordable Housing For All; more Federal Low Cost Housing Estates would have been built in all the States' Capitals in Nigeria. 

But we have been confronted with the reality that, Buhari has nothing to offer. He's just around to mark attendance as Nigerian President.

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[olugbenga Ojo]

You are very right and correct. The truth is he disappointed all of us and not only those who were clamouring for him to win the presidency. Even those who felt he would change the atmosphere if he has the opportunity though not wanting him to get there. Lesson to all but it's better he got there and we learnt our lessons. It is human to err

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[Anthony Akinola]

Those who may not be great in deploying the English Language could be geniuses

in Geography, Physics, Mathematics, etc. We are all limited human beings. The 

really intelligent ones amongst us are humble, polite.and respectful to others.

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Olayinka

To what degree is MEND equatable with Boko Haram?

To what degree is MEND equatable with  Fulani herdsmen's militia?

To what  degree is Miyetti Allah's justification of various massacres of Nigerians by Fulani herdsmen's militia equatable with the actions of any civil society pressure group in the Niger Delta?

To what degree is the struggle for Biafra equatable to the struggle by Boko Haram in inspirational circumstances, goals and methods?

With all due respect, I suggest you respond thoughtfully to this request for clarification on the equivalences you made in your last comment. 

Records of what people state here will be accessible for many years to come.

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[OLAYINKA AGBETUYI]

Toyin Adepoju.

MEND's activities included terrorist blowing up of oil pipelines, taking foreign nationationals hostage as Fulani herdsmen are alleged to be doing to Nigerians and running amok everywhere with sophisticated machine guns.

Why would GEJ beg them to disarm with monetary bribes if not because they were ruthlessly effective in their attempts to dislocate the economy?

As far as I recall only Obasanjo constituted the lone voice in the southern political wilderness who castigated GEJ for running Nigerian as if it were his private estate referencing the 'mollycuddling' ( Farooq's usual phrase) the terrorist act of his kinsmen while instructing his military commanders to solve the terrorist acts up North with bullets.  Of course northern commanders with their clout in the military chose to pocket the money for the double standard strategy and their southern comrades promptly followed suit.

Obasanjo's grouse was that GEJ was not following the Biafran doctrine precedent for which millions of Nigerian blood was shed.  This was not the only time Obasanjo invoked this doctrine:  during the furore over the annulment of June 12 when Gen Akinrinade leading the NADECO chieftains expressed the resolve of the South West to go to war over June 12 it was Obasanjo's resolve that won the Yoruba leaders over in the war of words between the two Àgbà Akogun ( tested war leaders) when he declared, invoking the Biafra doctrine that he was not prepared to fight a war to divide a country which he fought to put together.

Buhari erred seriously when he criticised GEJ for 'mollycuddling' southern MEND terrorists ride on that criticism to power only to U turn and start 'mollycuddling' northern Boko Haram terrorists.  He cannot win the war by this strategy.

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Olayinka

To what degree is MEND equatable with Boko Haram?

To what degree is MEND equatable with  Fulani herdsmen's militia?

To what  degree is Miyetti Allah's justification of various massacres of Nigerians by Fulani herdsmen's militia equatable with the actions of any civil society pressure group in the Niger Delta?

To what degree is the struggle for Biafra equatable to the struggle by Boko Haram in inspirational circumstances, goals and methods?

With all due respect, I suggest you respond thoughtfully to this request for clarification on the equivalences you made in your last comment. 

Records of what people state here will be accessible for many years to come.

thanks

toyin

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Oga Agbetuyi,

I observe you be were careful not  to mention the massacres claimed for Fulani herdsmen militia in the Middle Belt by themselves and their Miyetti Allah handlers and which have made international terrorist watch agencies list them as one of the world's deadliest terror groups.

You have also taken pains to avoid discussing Boko Haram who are trying to either take over Nigeria or create their own state through massacres of civilians and govt agents.

You also seem not to be aware that Boko Haram was offered amnesty by the GEJ govt and they turned it down, declaring it's they who should offer the govt amnesty.

They also stated they would stop their campaign only if the President became a Muslim.

You also seem unaware that Boko Haram once nominated Buhari as their go between with the GEJ govt but he turned down the request, most likely thinking  not his political career and not being branded the Boko Haram affiliate his behaviour suggests.

You would have done better to engage in a more nuanced analysis instead of trying to conflate MEND, Fulani herdsmen militia and Boko Haram.

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[OLAYINKA AGBETUYI]

I consistently referred to the Biafra doctrine to draw parallels between the Biafran war and Boko Harams drive to seize a part or all of Nigeria as their own.  I was not dodging the issue at all.

If Biafra had succeeded as the elaborate preparations made for  war by the late Dim revealed in a declassified American intelligence shared on this forum suggest the rest of Nigeria would have been overrun by Biafran soldiers.  We saw the preamble to this goal in the red hot battle for Òrę en route Lagos.

Why did  Gowon not start persuading the Biafrans as GEJ did and Buhari is doing now?  After all they were initially collectively the aggrevied.

You must also remember there was a mini Boko Haram by the Maitatsine when yours truly was serving up North when Obasanjo newly handed over to Shagari.  It was stamped out militarily with the active support of ALL northern stake holders and military commanders including Muhammadu Buhari then a Major General with no talk of war against the North.  

Then it was, when Buhari said Shagari was weak over the Bakassi peninsula affair and that he should have sent a military expedition to teach the Cameroonians a lesson.

OAA

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Oga Agbetuyi,

I observe you be were careful not  to mention the massacres claimed for Fulani herdsmen militia in the Middle Belt by themselves and their Miyetti Allah handlers and which have made international terrorist watch agencies list them as one of the world's deadliest terror groups.

You have also taken pains to avoid discussing Boko Haram who are trying to either take over Nigeria or create their own state through massacres of civilians and govt agents.

You also seem not to be aware that Boko Haram was offered amnesty by the GEJ govt and they turned it down, declaring it's they who should offer the govt amnesty.

They also stated they would stop their campaign only if the President became a Muslim.

You also seem unaware that Boko Haram once nominated Buhari as their go between with the GEJ govt but he turned down the request, most likely thinking  not his political career and not being branded the Boko Haram affiliate his behaviour suggests.

You would have done better to engage in a more nuanced analysis instead of trying to conflate MEND, Fulani herdsmen militia and Boko Haram.

Thanks

Toyin

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

The Biafra situation was very different from Fulani herdsmen terrorists and Boko Haram.

It was also very different from MEND.

As for Biafra, the earlier phase of the struggle may be seen as simply survival. Possibly until Gowon sent a force to subdue the Biafrans.

The leadership[ then hatched the possibly unfortunate plan of taking over the Midwest and the West, leading to the Ore fight, their defeat,retreat to the East and the mobilisation of the West agst Biafra, as I understand the story.

I wish Biafra was  allowed to go from the very beginning. It would have saved everyone  a lot of trouble.

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