Oprah - Meghan Markle interview on Sunday March 7 - and Royal meltdown
Gloria Emeagwali
Biko Agozino
One of the big reasons that Meghan and Harry cited for leaving the family was their struggles with the press, and particularly the racism that was being directed at Meghan. Do you think that the press has learned anything or gotten any better in this latest cycle?
“No” is the short answer. We started this journey with Meghan being called “straight out of Compton,” despite the fact that she did not grow up in Compton; in fact, she was a few miles away from it, and equal proximity to Beverly Hills. We also saw disparaging comments made about her mother’s dreadlocks, comments about Meghan’s exotic DNA. It all got quite ugly from the start, and unfortunately, we have seen that continue over time. I remember when the emergence of the “Duchess Difficult” character happened in the British tabloids. It really leaned heavily on some very sexist and racist stereotypes about the successful woman that was too demanding, too aggressive, too loud, too in-your-face.
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It’s very sloppy, very lazy, and doesn’t help anyone in the long run because of course, that commentary also makes the royal institution itself look incredibly dated because they were unable to hold on to really the only chance they ever had of being diverse or inclusive. I think we’re really going to hear a lot about that when she sits down with Oprah. Race and racism in the U.K., which takes on a very different form over here—it’s more subtle, less overt than it is in the U.S.—will really be one of the things that they talk about in depth.
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“The whole idea of monarchy and all its attendant pomp and circumstance is really anachronistic. Who seriously believes that the Queen of England is God's rep on earth or "defender of the faith"? and which faith?”—Kojo.
I totally agree with Kojo’s observations. Kojo’s comments apply to all monarchies all over the world. All the Obis, Obas, and Sultans/Emirs should be rooted out in Nigeria—a Republic. Or at least none of them should have legal recognition in a Republic.
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I totally agree with Kojo’s observations. Kojo’s comments apply to all monarchies all over the world. All the Obis, Obas, and Sultans/Emirs should be rooted out in Nigeria—a Republic. Or at least none of them should have legal recognition in a Republic.
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“The whole idea of monarchy and all its attendant pomp and circumstance is really anachronistic. Who seriously believes that the Queen of England is God's rep on earth or "defender of the faith"? and which faith?”—Kojo.
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OLAYINKA,
Good for you for being a royalty, but your royalty is inherited like almost all monarchical royalties.
Does everyone (male or female) of Ibadan parentage have equal right to be Olubadan maybe through achievements or other qualifications? If Olubadan comes from a select “extended” family, then it is inherited.
My understanding is that women cannot become Olubadan. If that is correct, we have discounted more than 50% of the population from ever becoming Olubadan regardless of their qualifications. Please note that in most societies women account for slightly more than 50% of the population.
Prof. Falola earned his station in life by his hard work, creativity and generosity. If the position of Olubadan was open to the most qualified, he may very well be one today—not that he would want to.
I agree with Kojo. The institution of Monarchy is anachronistic in modern world. Heck, India got rid of their monarchs—some of which had been around for more than 1,500 years. Nigeria should or at least, the so called monarchs should not have legal recognition.
In reality all we want is equality under the law. Each of us have some advantages and disadvantages. If you are born blind or become blind at childhood, you are starting out at a disadvantage, but you could still aspire and work to be a “Ray Charles”. But if you are born in Ibadan as the most intelligent, hardest working, most generous and most successful person, unless you are from the right family, you will never become the Olubadan of Ibadan. There is something not right about that in modern times.
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Good for you for being a royalty, but your royalty is inherited like almost all monarchical royalties.
Does everyone (male or female) of Ibadan parentage have equal right to be Olubadan maybe through achievements or other qualifications? If Olubadan comes from a select “extended” family, then it is inherited.
My understanding is that women cannot become Olubadan. If that is correct, we have discounted more than 50% of the population from ever becoming Olubadan regardless of their qualifications. Please note that in most societies women account for slightly more than 50% of the population.
Prof. Falola earned his station in life by his hard work, creativity and generosity. If the position of Olubadan was open to the most qualified, he may very well be one today—not that he would want to.
I agree with Kojo. The institution of Monarchy is anachronistic in modern world. Heck, India got rid of their monarchs—some of which had been around for more than 1,500 years. Nigeria should or at least, the so called monarchs should not have legal recognition.
In reality all we want is equality under the law. Each of us have some advantages and disadvantages. If you are born blind or become blind at childhood, you are starting out at a disadvantage, but you could still aspire and work to be a “Ray Charles”. But if you are born in Ibadan as the most intelligent, hardest working, most generous and most successful person, unless you are from the right family, you will never become the Olubadan of Ibadan. There is something not right about that in modern times.
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Baba Kadiri,
To begin with, our dear radical Prince Charles the future King of Britain more or less abolished the title “defender of the faith” and replaced it long ago with a new, more inclusive title: “Defender of Faith” – it caused quite a stir at the time, coming on the heels of his Oxford address on al-Islam
Because I know that inevitably, yours is the Black Power position (not the missionary position), my starting point is this: Genesis 1:27: “And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. “
That being the case, we are all deserving of respect. We are not “vermin”, that venomous Nazi preoccupation….
We may also factor in the fact that “Adam” means “dark clay”; Adam does not mean “White”; in other words God’s Biblical first man was not a “White” man, but Adam’s rib, who knows? What was the colour of Adam’s rib? Who knows?
And with regard to Jesus, “Born of the Virgin Mary, conceived by the Holy Ghost”, he could have been any colour and it should not be amiss to speculate about that as – according to the Meghan & Harry story there was some speculation about what would or could or should be outcome of their fusion, the probable colour or colours of their little royal highness Baby Archie, when being welcomed as the latest royal member of the human race.
We can’t afford to be too poetic about this, fact is that when a white tom cat mates with a black queen, the kittens could come out in a variety of mixed black & white, agree? You know this from personal experience.
I’m somewhat filled with some holy fire, this afternoon. All fired up. My immediate background is having just read Alagba Falola’s disquisition before actually listening to the same Oga Oloruntoyin Falola’s masterly interrogation of Bishop Kukah. (If I had been privileged to be in the Oga’s shoes or had been wearing the Alagba’s academic hat, I daresay that I would have been more confrontational and it would have been more of an inquisition of Sokoto’s Bishop Matthew Hassan.) Secondly, a considerable change of perspective has taken place with regard to that ad misericordiam, cry-baby Meghan-Harry-Oprah interview, after talking to my nearest and dearest in the UK, last night – as a result of which I am a little more sympathetic to Meghan and her helpless Royal Highness Harry, but still left wondering why having fallen in love with Prince Harry she expected her change of status and environment to be more a continuation of her Beverly Hills, in accordance with her usual Twitter account standards and less of the Windsor Castle decorum expected of her as “Duchess of Sussex”. Surely, she knows about “When in Rome do as the Romans”?
To begin with, this may partly account for her quarrels with the Royal Palace staff, her more American imperial way of dealing with servants, I assume as from the days of yore, on the plantation. Fact is, you can’t have it both ways. Royal Duchess and revolutionary like Miles or Angela Davis.) Baba Kadiri, don’t forget that unlike Meghan, I’m as Black as you, if not Blacker
You must also admit that in their Oprah interview they were asked countless leading questions - all to their advantage, to get their story – their side of the story out whereas, if Meghan and Harry had been subjected to a BBC Hardtalk type grilling by e.g. Stephen Sackur or Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain, the Royal or ex-Royal couple would have been pressed about naming names and giving times and dates and specific actual places where all the things they are crying about actually happened – as in a court of law. As things are now, you are taking everything they say at face value, their vague and not so specific accusations without even hearing anything from the unnamed people that they accuse. Now, Baba Kadiri, in the name of Justice what do you have to say about this?
The jury is still out there in the court of public opinion, which means that those concerned are not even being tried by their peers. I don’t want to tax anyone’s attention span, that’s why so far I have only attended to your first point, about “defender of the faith”: I intend to take up your other points, one by one in my next rejoinder...
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Baba Kadiri,
You probably remember this scene from Coming to America, Lisa’s dad putting it straight:
“You say one more word about Lisa, and I'll break my foot off in your royal ass!”.
That’s America and Americans for you. When push comes to shove, they actually show no respect for ROYALTY! Of course, you don’t expect the chivalrous Prince Harry to be coarse like that, not even in defence of his most cherished Duchess of Sussex. Class. That’s the difference. When someone says, “You can take the chimpanzee out of the jungle, but you can’t take the jungle out of the monkey or the chimpanzee” he or she is accused of racism, for merely telling the truth. Others whine about ethical and cultural relativity, or “neo-colonialism.”
After a closer scrutiny of what you penned, I have decided that there’s no point in engaging any of your salacious gossip and sleaze, which I suppose you have harvested mainly from the gutter press, but when it comes to the poetics of Black blood as captured here by Harry Belafonte singing about the Apartheid era in Apartheid South Africa in his song “Cape Town” - “Cape town, where black blood is running” – and from there true too, there is both Blue Beard and Blue blood; these too have their metaphorical depths and signifying significance and ordinary (non-literal) meanings. When it comes to the Royal Blood of the Human Jesus crucified as “King of the Jews”, we are to suppose that he bled red blood corpuscles on the cross, - so far for red and blue blood and that old Scottish Ballad Sir Patrick Spens’
“The
king sat in Dunfermline town
Drinking of the blood red wine “
the colour of the wine that they may or may not imbibe as the Holy Eucharist, representative of the living blood of Christ...
About the black, white, blue, red or blue-black blood, and other racist/ non -racist, poetic not so poetic, meaningful, less meaningful or meaning-less terminology, once more I’d like to point to the Biblical verse that is supposed to point at the ideal of equality, as you find in the expression “an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth”, the point being that the owners of all eyes and all teeth, are equal, just as you also find in the expression “dust to dust and ashes to ashes...”
Whilst the Lady Diana revisited saga is now a recurring phrase in the dialogue about the scandalous Harry & Meghan Oprah interview, Prince Harry marrying a divorcee etc., Edward VIII and Mrs Simpson ( serialised as Edward and Mrs Simpson) could serve as a more relevant antecedent when it comes to breakaway royalty and amor vincit omnia. The then Prince of Wales meets Mrs Simpson and later on as Britain’s King Edward VIII abdicated his throne, to marry her…
Buckingham Palace has issued a statement about how seriously they take racism allegations - I wasn't there and neither were you. On my part, I’d like to bring this distasteful discussion to a close...
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After talking to Baba Kadiri last night, we agreed that there’s no denying the seriousness in any accusation of racism, no matter where it occurs or is alleged to have occurred or is occurring. What we know beyond any doubt is that Her Majesty Queen Elisabeth II and Prince Phillip have been very gracious, welcoming and loving to Prince Harry, his wife Meghan Markle the Duchess of Sussex, and their lovely son Archie.
May the Almighty nourish, guide, protect bless them all
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May the Almighty nourish, guide, protect bless them all
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I’m not surprised that suspicions of racism or being convinced that racism lurks in the shadows is Gloria’s default position.
Most surprising of all was Oprah Winfrey’s theatrical “What!?” - as if surprised that inevitably there would, could, should be some excitement not only among the royals including Meghan and Harry himself but even the whole world of Royalists and non-Royalist including you could be speculating about the final colour outcome of the Meghan-Harry Black & White royal fusion . Would it be grandpa coming back? Would he be short, or tall like Louis Mountbatten or even taller, like Prince Phillip? It’s inevitable - and healthy that there should be that kind of excitement and speculation - and gossip within the family and also among the palace staff...
Speculation about the unforeseen always satisfies and fulfils a deep psychological need.
I’m sure that in your Afrocentric circles when the time is near there should be some speculation about what colour Jesus – son of the Black Madonna is going to be when he returns. Are you going to be first in line to start shouting “racism”, about such speculation or concerns? Should Molefi Asante, flashing his white teeth and showing some healthy curiosity ask if at his second coming Jesus is going to look "like plain or milk chocolate?" or “a whiter shade of pale”? - would you then accuse him of racism or Afrocentrism?
Bottom Line: It’s a family Affair
This is Message is a World Affair
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So you, and I suppose Molefi Asante too would like to wriggle out of answering the question about the probable or possible colour of Jesus, son of Black Madonna who conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit, also sometimes referred to as “The Holy Ghost” - and that ‘s why as an answer you ask your genius smart alec question, which from the point of view of the Christian theology is blasphemous or ignorant, or both. Even if you are not a Christian believer there’s no profit in trivialising holiness by trying to trivialise the Holy Spirit/ Holy Ghost, mock-conflating the Holy Spirit/ The Holy Ghost with this kind of heresy: “What is the color of ghosts, figments of one’s imagination, or spiritual entities?”
As you may or may not know, the one unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
But treating you question seriously, no doubt, you’re familiar with the expression “pale as a ghost” like Dylan’s lines in “Spirit on the Water”
“I'm
as pale as a ghost
Holding
a blossom on a stem
You
ever seen a ghost? No
But
you've heard of them
“
We read in Genesis 1: 1-2
“In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water. “
If your next question is, “What colour is the spirit of God”, what you probably have in mind is the colours of the rainbow, right?
So you see how humanly impossible it is to answer you question. However, should the Holy Spirit intend that Jesus should be coloured like his people or like you all we believers can say is “So be it!”
BTW, is it true that when some of East Africans saw Whitey for the very first time, they were afraid and that that Whitey was a ghost?
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More info So you, and I suppose Molefi Asante too would like to wriggle out of answering the question about the probable or possible colour of Jesus, son of Black Madonna who conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit, also sometimes referred to as “The Holy Ghost” - and that ‘s why as an answer you ask your genius smart alec question, which from the point of view of the Christian theology is blasphemous or ignorant, or both. Even if you are not a Christian believer there’s no profit in trivialising holiness by trying to trivialise the Holy Spirit/ Holy Ghost, mock-conflating the Holy Spirit/ The Holy Ghost with this kind of heresy: “What is the color of ghosts, figments of one’s imagination, or spiritual entities?”
As you may or may not know, the one unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
But treating you question seriously, no doubt, you’re familiar with the expression “pale as a ghost” like Dylan’s lines in “Spirit on the Water”
“I'm
as pale as a ghost
Holding a blossom on a stem
You ever seen a ghost?
No
But you've heard of them
“
We read in Genesis 1: 1-2
“In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water. “
If your next question is, “What colour is the spirit of God”, what you probably have in mind is the colours of the rainbow, right?
So you see how humanly impossible it is to answer you question. However, should the Holy Spirit intend that Jesus should be coloured like his people or like you all we believers can say is “So be it!”
BTW, is it true that when some of East Africans saw Whitey for the very first time, they were afraid and that that Whitey was a ghost?
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Femi Kolapo
". . . the color of ghosts"
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“. . . at the deepest level of identity as humans, there are no others—there is only us . . . . As long as we see humans as others, they are potential enemies, and we will have wars. War demands that we hate our enemies and brand them as others. When we see others and enemies as us, the walls between us can be torn down.” Paul G Hiebert |
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Lord Agbetuyi,
I’m off on a tangent, again, just to get the clutter off my chest. As we say in Freetown Creole/ Krio, “You make ah tink far “
You cause me to think of the very stuff of Adepoju’s Ifa dreams, and what sometimes passes as “intellectual masturbation”, like shmoking weed, wet dreams, not to mention the wasting of seed (when sex is not exclusively at the service of procreation and such practitioners say, “for enjoyment only!”
As Hamlet says to his friend, just before his father’s ghost appears to him,
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy,”
Amos Tutola’s exhilarating phantasmagoria “The Palm-Wine Drinkard” and “My Life In The Bush of Ghosts” says it all.
For me, a permanent background to any talk of ghosts is the culture of superstition in which I lived my teenage years in Coastal Freetown, Sierra Leone, a culture populated simultaneously by the living and the dead still walking among us in some etheric form or other or maybe only a figment of the popular imagination which was and I suppose is still inhabited by e.g. Mami Wata, dwarfs, elves, goblins, witches and wizards as appear in J.R.R. Tolkien’s Middle Earth, in addition to – same category as ghosts, mythical or possibly real flesh and blood creatures arising from originally being characters in folklore to actually walking as living magical or supernatural beings known as jinns, such as what in Freetown environs was given the name “Rhonso” said to be usually found pulling a chest-load of treasure - mostly a box laden with gold, nosily pulling the load behind him down the street, and it was said that lucky is the man who would befriend him – or the one who he (Mr. Rhonso) would befriend, such a man’s worries about or relative envy of “pecuniary journalism” would be over for ever and ever - in fact he would not need to teach or write any more for his daily bread or canvass for the lucrative position of senator or wish for a presidential salary, Mr. Rhonso would give him that Aladdin lamp which he would only need to rub whenever he needed some cash, no matter the amount he needed – at his command the golden goose that lays the golden eggs. Add to these semi-real and mythical characters, the very real Marabout, the Witch Doctor (a colonial missionary term) and the Medicine Man as prophet-Soothsayer, seer- priest, Sangoma, healer, exorcist, maker of “charms”, caster of both beneficial and evil spells, through the power of the Almighty, dispenser of retentive / photographic memories, and also as hypnotist and psychiatrist. After my mother’s funeral – in London some Saro Yoruba women dug some holes in her back garden and I saw them putting some food into the holes, they told me that they were “ feeding”, I don’t remember who/ what..- Ah, the imagination! Was it Karen Blixen or Shiva Naipaul or his brother V:S. that some people in this forum love to hate , that said the first time some Kikuyu people saw a lantern, they thought that it was a star that had fallen down, from heaven and only the bravest among them approached, slowly, and finally touched it. You’re talking about Whitey being feared as a ghost; in Dalarna, a five year old Swedish urchin saw me and was terrified ran, sobbing to his mama, “ Mum , he start screaming,”I just saw the devil!” Infantile imagination.
Superstition may be too facile a word, but consider these opening verses of the Holy Quran – which objectively speaking could be said to accommodate so much that comes under that broad category of “The Unseen”
1 Alif. Lam. Mim.
2 This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
3 Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them; “(Al-Baqaeah – 1-3)
Till this day, I wouldn’t gladly walk through a cemetery at midnight. For me the encounter with ghosts have mostly been in literature. First there was the Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn exploits in the graveyard, followed by my first personal encounter with a ghost through a first reading and then actually the first seeing the Laurence Olivier version of Hamlet in conversation with the ghost of Hamlet's father – and then later versions, other marvellous actors, thereby establishing the idea and of ghosts forever (much later - about a quarter of a century ago, this fear was reinforced by the Judaic idea of ritual purity - that one should not touch a corpse - and with regard to the Pentecostal ideas about the acquisition of the Holy Spirit, I still hold this progression dear: Rabbi Pinhas ben Yair: “Heedfulness leads to cleanliness, cleanliness leads to cleanness, cleanness leads to abstinence , abstinence leads to holiness , holiness leads to modesty, modesty leads to fear of sin, , the fear of sin leads to piety,, piety leads to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit leads to the resurrection of the dead, and the resurrection of the dead comes through Elijah, blessed be his memory, Amen.” ( Mishnah tractate Sotah 9-14)
Bembeya: Mami Wata
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Baba Kadiri,
You have a problem, I know my British history fairly well. From 1066 – to 1485, the history of the British Empire during the reign of Queen Victoria, through both wars to the present day, and some of the literary output produced within that time frame. Don’t forget, Patrick White was Australian.
Much of what you call history is gossip. There’s much of the actual history of Sierra Leone, Ghana and Nigeria that has not yet surfaced in any of the history books and doctoral dissertations that have been written so far, and there are dossiers that probably never will see the light of day. How do I know? I know. Have I read all the history books and PhD dissertations and dossiers about say the last 65 years covering the history of Sierra Leone, Ghana, Nigeria or the last 80 years of Sweden for that matter? Of course not, but there are missing pieces which have been buried forever and which even Michael Crowder or Scott Thompson has not written about..
You are fond of referring to all kinds of people as “Goebbels” and “hogwash. I am not. When I said in ordinary Buckingham Palace English that Prince Charles had “more or less” abolished the title “Defender of Faith” I did not think that I was dogmatically stating a Gradgrindian fact, even if “DEFENDER OF FAITH” had originally been written in stone, like The TEN COMMANDMENTS. (And who among us mortals can change them? I mean the ten Commandments. More accurately, to satisfy the sophist in you I suppose that I should have said that dear Prince Charles had repudiated or was only proposing to repudiate that title (since he is not yet the reigning monarch who is the only one (according to you) who I suppose has the authority to do so – whether or not to be ratified by an act of Parliament, I don’t know. What I do know is that Dear Prince Charles did make that radical proposal “ Defender of Faith” which caused quite a stir at the time when said that, and this happened shortly either before or after his famous Oxford lecture on Islam which also caused quite a stir, to the extent that some of his subjects far and wide were wondering if he had become a Muslim or a covert Muslim. Fact is, that he recanted the idea of “Defender of Faith” and reverted to the old order formula, “Defender of THE FAITH” once again, as is clear from a cursory search on the world wide web. (Certain very contemporary types of news/ gossips get into the history books a little later, when historians and gossip mongers write about them ( current, contemporary news items) in the past tense. For instance in the past few years I have followed this running commentary Porter's Pensées ( by history Professor Bernard Porter, although I don’t see eye to eye with all his socialistic views about everything and his crusade against Boris Johnson ( You could take as look at what he has to say about the Meghan – Harry affair)
If what you have set out to do is to correct my opinions, whilst you are at it for your own edification you had better look up the meaning of these three words:
YOU “just can't see any connection” where I see connections because we see things differently. Your parochial and literary mind is certainly a different wind-angled mind from mine as you have just admitted, and mine is also different from yours, through no fault of mine. Remember now, it was King Solomon who said I’m Black and beautiful in Chapter 1 verse 5 of his Song of Songs, long before Christopher Columbus discovered America or James Brown started doing the Bugaboo and the Mashed Potato.
I have no intention to discuss any Hebrew or Arabic meanings of Adam, I don’t know how you got your education about that kind of discussion – and I’m not about to engage your superior Rabbinic understandings because, there are certain things I don’t waste my time discussing with just everybody, especially not an ignoramus like me. I know no Yoruba, talk less about gematria or the allusive poetry of your chimpanzee.
In response to your your long-winded third paragraph, I’ll be brief and just say this:
Harry tasted Meghan’s Black Magic – she gave him The Royal Treatment. Baba Kadiri, I’m sure that you must have received or been subjected to THE ROYAL TREATMENT?
Harry sang Purple Haze! He moaned. He must have told William, “Whatever it is, that girl put a spell on me!”
The rest is history.
If you are feeling studious you can as you say read all about it. All you’ve got to do is take your own advice: “ The history of British Monarchy preceded the advent of internet and facts contained in history books may not be found in the Google or Wikipedia. For the intellectually lazy, internet can be a short way of acquiring partial knowledge while for the intellectually active, internet is a complement to reading books. As I will show later, even what is found in the Google can be falsified or be distorted intentionally by a Googler to tally with the opinion of the Googler self” (The Bible According to Baba Kadiri )
Harry and Meghan were not specific about who said what about the colour of their yet unborn baby. Maybe you should check out the meaning of the word “Specific” Lie detector tests are not that reliable either.
Since Buckingham Palace issued this statement on the allegations of racism how can you in good conscience say that “ Since silence is consent, the silence of the Royal Family over the racist attack on Harry and Meghan remains true.”?
You should be ashamed of yourself gleefully spreading all kinds of salacious, mischievous and malicious reports about other people’s private lives….
I was just getting down to a very personal response to Oga Falola's Conversation with Bishop Kukah when I noticed that Baba Kadiri was on the warpath once again and that this time it was me for whom the bell is tolling.
As Slick Willy once famously said, “I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people.”, so Cornelius Ignoramus now says, please Baba Kadiri, let me get back to listening carefully to Alagba Falola and Bishop Kukah of Sokoto., so that I will know what I’m responding to...
Something of possible interest to you ( ( I suppose that you will probably want to correct some of this history : RECONSTRUCTING THE PAST TO RECONSTRUCT THE PRESENT: The Nineteenth Century Wars and Yoruba History by FUNSO S. AFOLAYAN
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Lord Agbetuyi
Many thanks for coming to my rescue.
I check Norman O Brown’s “Love’s Body “which is of relevance from beginning to end, constantly, starting with the chapter” Liberty”
Africans are generally quite sensitive whenever they hear the White Man mention “monkey”, Jungle or “Chimpanzee” anywhere near them, some of them think that the White Man is talking about them. That’s why Baba Kadiri’s despicable error about what I could possibly mean by my reference to the jungle Chimpanzee is beneath Pan-African contempt, so I (Jungle Bro) haven’t even bothered to correct it or to start squabbling with his little tittle-tattle about monkeys and chimpanzees or drawing unnecessary attention to that. He can wallow in his own excrement - not mine, for as long as he likes.
However, I am in full agreement with what he says here:
“Meghan Markel, just like any human being, including Cornelius Hamelberg, did not decide, and could not have decided, who were to be her paternal and maternal parents. No human-being ever chose his or her parents. When Meghan moved from the US jungle to the Windsor Castle, anyone wishing her to shelve her biological and physiological heritage from her parents should be confined to mental hospital. You can move Meghan Markel into Windsor Castle but you cannot remove the colour of her skin!! “
It has never been stated more clearly than this: “Remember that it's just the accident of birth separating ” you” from” them” (Masso Nordin)
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More info Baba Kadiri,
You have a problem, I know my British history fairly well. From 1066 – to 1485, the history of the British Empire during the reign of Queen Victoria, through both wars to the present day, and some of the literary output produced within that time frame. Don’t forget, Patrick White was Australian.
Much of what you call history is gossip. There’s much of the actual history of Sierra Leone, Ghana and Nigeria that has not yet surfaced in any of the history books and doctoral dissertations that have been written so far, and there are dossiers that probably never will see the light of day. How do I know? I know. Have I read all the history books and PhD dissertations and dossiers about say the last 65 years covering the history of Sierra Leone, Ghana, Nigeria or the last 80 years of Sweden for that matter? Of course not, but there are missing pieces which have been buried forever and which even Michael Crowder or Scott Thompson has not written about..
You are fond of referring to all kinds of people as “Goebbels” and “hogwash. I am not. When I said in ordinary Buckingham Palace English that Prince Charles had “more or less” abolished the title “Defender of Faith” I did not think that I was dogmatically stating a Gradgrindian fact, even if “DEFENDER OF FAITH” had originally been written in stone, like The TEN COMMANDMENTS. (And who among us mortals can change them? I mean the ten Commandments. More accurately, to satisfy the sophist in you I suppose that I should have said that dear Prince Charles had repudiated or was only proposing to repudiate that title (since he is not yet the reigning monarch who is the only one (according to you) who I suppose has the authority to do so – whether or not to be ratified by an act of Parliament, I don’t know. What I do know is that Dear Prince Charles did make that radical proposal “ Defender of Faith” which caused quite a stir at the time when said that, and this happened shortly either before or after his famous Oxford lecture on Islam which also caused quite a stir, to the extent that some of his subjects far and wide were wondering if he had become a Muslim or a covert Muslim. Fact is, that he recanted the idea of “Defender of Faith” and reverted to the old order formula, “Defender of THE FAITH” once again, as is clear from a cursory search on the world wide web. (Certain very contemporary types of news/ gossips get into the history books a little later, when historians and gossip mongers write about them ( current, contemporary news items) in the past tense. For instance in the past few years I have followed this running commentary Porter's Pensées ( by history Professor Bernard Porter, although I don’t see eye to eye with all his socialistic views about everything and his crusade against Boris Johnson ( You could take as look at what he has to say about the Meghan – Harry affair)
If what you have set out to do is to correct my opinions, whilst you are at it for your own edification you had better look up the meaning of these three words:
YOU “just can't see any connection” where I see connections because we see things differently. Your parochial and literary mind is certainly a different wind-angled mind from mine as you have just admitted, and mine is also different from yours, through no fault of mine. Remember now, it was King Solomon who said I’m Black and beautiful in Chapter 1 verse 5 of his Song of Songs, long before Christopher Columbus discovered America or James Brown started doing the Bugaboo and the Mashed Potato.
I have no intention to discuss any Hebrew or Arabic meanings of Adam, I don’t know how you got your education about that kind of discussion – and I’m not about to engage your superior Rabbinic understandings because, there are certain things I don’t waste my time discussing with just everybody, especially not an ignoramus like me. I know no Yoruba, talk less about gematria or the allusive poetry of your chimpanzee.
In response to your your long-winded third paragraph, I’ll be brief and just say this:
Harry tasted Meghan’s Black Magic – she gave him The Royal Treatment. Baba Kadiri, I’m sure that you must have received or been subjected to THE ROYAL TREATMENT?
Harry sang Purple Haze! He moaned. He must have told William, “Whatever it is, that girl put a spell on me!”
The rest is history.
If you are feeling studious you can as you say read all about it. All you’ve got to do is take your own advice: “ The history of British Monarchy preceded the advent of internet and facts contained in history books may not be found in the Google or Wikipedia. For the intellectually lazy, internet can be a short way of acquiring partial knowledge while for the intellectually active, internet is a complement to reading books. As I will show later, even what is found in the Google can be falsified or be distorted intentionally by a Googler to tally with the opinion of the Googler self” (The Bible According to Baba Kadiri )
Harry and Meghan were not specific about who said what about the colour of their yet unborn baby. Maybe you should check out the meaning of the word “Specific” Lie detector tests are not that reliable either.
Since Buckingham Palace issued this statement on the allegations of racism how can you in good conscience say that “ Since silence is consent, the silence of the Royal Family over the racist attack on Harry and Meghan remains true.”?
You should be ashamed of yourself gleefully spreading all kinds of salacious, mischievous and malicious reports about other people’s private lives….
I was just getting down to a very personal response to Oga Falola's Conversation with Bishop Kukah when I noticed that Baba Kadiri was on the warpath once again and that this time it was me for whom the bell is tolling.
As Slick Willy once famously said, “I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people.”, so Cornelius Ignoramus now says, please Baba Kadiri, let me get back to listening carefully to Alagba Falola and Bishop Kukah of Sokoto., so that I will know what I’m responding to...
Something of possible interest to you ( ( I suppose that you will probably want to correct some of this history : RECONSTRUCTING THE PAST TO RECONSTRUCT THE PRESENT: The Nineteenth Century Wars and Yoruba History by FUNSO S. AFOLAYAN
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Blessed are the Peacemakers
Who has not been sowing his Royal Oats?
The questions are two.
Have you ever been to Electric Ladyland?
This is the song : Two Different Worlds
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Baba Kadiri,
Why all this foaming at the mouth? I have disturbed the hornet’s nest?
You are distraught and distressed.
What have I done to ignite the fire of Mars in Ogun?
And the venom! Should I disown my ancestry?
What have I done to deserve such a fate?
Mood I’m in. I too am distraught after reading this:
Senior Lecturer Dies Mysteriously Inside His House
Please permit me to clear up the first of your many miss-understandings and subsequent calumny. When I humbly declare that “I know my British history, fairly well”, in no way am I claiming blue- blood or being British to the bootstraps, I’m only claiming some affection, not even mastery of British history which was one of my favourite subjects in secondary school (at eleven years of age we actually started the study of English history with “The Wars of the Roses” and just for the record this was at a time in colonial history when my contemporaries in similar schools in Dakar, in Senegal were reading, in French of course,” Nos ancêtres étaient des Gaulois” (smile or shmile, you decide”) My saying that I know my British history is no different from e.g. Soyinka saying “I know my Shakespeare “ or “ I know my Elizabethan drama” or Michael Crowder saying “ I know my Nigerian history” which by no means would of should be interpreted by you, to mean that he was claiming to be red-blooded Nigerian.
That’s all for now. I will return to straighten you out about some of the other interesting things you took up in your epistle about who is a Jew and who is a German and who is not. You have a penchant for disturbing the peace and tranquillity in this forum. I have been busy all day and only just now checked my mail and there you were in full battle uniform and blasting off as usual - just when I was about to attend to Bishop Kukah’s reply to the first question he was served by Ojogbon Falola and also toying with the idea of addressing Oga Jibrin Ibrahim an ecumenical apostle of peace on the thorny topic of whether or not Muslims and Christians worship the same God, exactly just then you pop up with your usual disturbance. To the latter question. I’d give a short definitive no, of course not, Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God (The last time I heard something similar discussed was whether The Prophet of Islam salallahu alaihi wa salaam and Moshe Rabbeinu worship the same One God , that’s when I heard an indignant Talmudic Scholar braying about something or other in the Quran being at variance with what is recorded in the Torah and asking rhetorically, “Is that what the Angel Gabriel told him?”
Poets boast, toasters sing
'Tis a glorious charter deny it who can ! That's breath'd in the words " I'm an Englishman."
Which hopefully will not cause Baba Kadiri to hit the fan in the ceiling.
Bees sting
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Baba Kadiri,
I have now read your wonderful Epistle and thank you for it, hence, better this early reply than that I put you on the back-burner to be roasted later. I found your epistle to me and to the general public to be very educative about you, and some of the subject matter you belaboured at such length. Educative about who you are what you think and the sorts of bruises that you are still nursing.
The aspect of history that I was referring to as “gossip” is the big babble, all the great and little tittle-tattle from Meghan & Harry about alleged racism, everywhere and wherever. I referred to the Biblical origin of man and all you could think of was “What has marriage between Prince Harry of the United Queendom of Britain and Meghan Markel of the United States of America got to do with Judaism and Hebrew language? I just can't see any connection.”
And then you rambled on in incomprehension about the Hebrew meaning of Adam (dark clay) which according to you and your internet rabbi means “red clay”. BTW, since you’re into the Biblical symbolism of colour, I understand red to be the colour of sin, and if you’re still curious you could be thrilled about the quintessential commandment about the Red Heifer in Parashat Chukas - I say “thrilled”(please look up the meaning of that word in the Yoruba dictionary or wherever) because on a Thursday, 2nd July, 1998 ( 8th of Tamuz, 5758) my Better Half and I sat around the table at Chabad House in Wimbledon and listened to Rabbi Nissan Dovid Dubov expound on Parashat Chukat and the red blood corpuscles in me, were thrilled by his exposition, but it was more than the red blood corpuscles that was thrilled, the heart was moved and so was the mind.
Well, here is some more history: The father of my father's mother was an Englishman. And I returned to Sierra Leone on a British Passport.. Big deal. Your nationality is maybe not what it says in your passport. You talk about “50th generation”, but the Almighty talks about “showing mercy unto thousands of generations of those who love Me and keep My commandments.”
History: There’s also the long history of anti-Semitism – so, no doubt if Harry had been a Jew, and Meghan too, undoubtedly they would have been tooting about anti-Semitism. As you have so eloquently pointed out in your last epistle, anti-Semitism has a long history and of course, racism has an even longer history
One of Olof Palme’s favourite words was “människör” and that’s what we are talking about: People, Human Beings, Mankind, Humankind, Humanity, sadly, not distinct from your own obsessive compulsive disorder orientations about colours - including the colours of Jews and all the other colours of the rainbow.
Since you are also into reading books, I should like to recommend History And The Idea of Mankind” Edited by W. Warren Wagar ( if it’s out of print or not available at the library you could borrow my copy)
(to be continued
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Baba Kadiri,
This also concerns your "good conscience". the tremendous fuss you make about “The faith” and Faith and your erstwhile lengthy, learned school master’s deliberation on the history and significance of the term “Defender of the Faith” etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam, and your equally learned question about “What has marriage between Prince Harry of the United Queendom of Britain and Meghan Markell of the United States of America got to do with Judaism and Hebrew language? And that as you say, you” you just can't see any connection." - i-e., what has their marriage got to do with the Bible – with Adam & Eve….
To begin with, I would like to kindly remind you that they got married in church:
Full Ceremony: Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's royal wedding
and that they made the following vow to each other:
"I give you this ring as a sign of our marriage. With my body, I honour you, all that I am I give to you and all that I have I share with you within the love of God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit."
I suppose that you have some opinions to express about that too, that Meghan omitted the tradition “to obey “ - that "to obey" was not part of the language vow that Meghan took. Thereby departing from Paul’s homily in his epistle to the Ephesians, Ephesians 5:22 – 24 to wit:
“Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.” (King James Version)
Don’t be shy. Please feel free to comment to your heart’s content about how the King James Version came into being and whether or not the modern, innovative Meghan was conforming to the traditional Royal norm by adapting to acting like the Romans and the Romance in her own special way.
" Obey" rings a bell ...belle
BTW, I'm looking forward to Sunday's Interview with my Yourna Idol Chief Commander Ebenezer Obey and I'm sure that for a change you agree with me that this is a good wedding song: What God has Joined Together Let No man Put Asunder
I haven’t taken up some of your other scurrilous points yet, but I’m sure that there’s something that you want to say, so I pause for a reply
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Salimonu Kadiri
Sent: 27 March 2021 01:17
Cornelius Hamelberg
Dear Baba Kadiri: Shalom!
I don't want to fight with you, you are my best friend, in some areas my mentor and my Baba.
Praise be to Almighty God and many thanks for the long-winded, boastful octogenarian description of your perfect set of shiny white teeth and please take note that you’re not the only one who uses a miswak // siwak which in the Krio language is known as chaw-stick (chew-ing stick) after using which you may be better at chewing your bones.
And, “you may smile, and smile, and be a villain!”
I trust that perchance you have read Syl Cheney-Coker’s “The Graveyard Also Has Teeth: With Concerto for an Exile...”
As I told you on the phone this evening, I’m sure that I have suffered racism more than you have and as you know, I’m not a shuffering & shmiling type of fellow but you have yet to see me foaming at the mouth because some oyibo bombaclat neo-Nazi cracker who doesn’t even know who his father is thinks that “Nigger” is Franz Heinrich Hamelberg’s first name or some really ugly, silly, toothless, semi-literate bombaclat neo-Nazi old lady who doesn’t know who her father is, wants to know why I don’t want to go back to “my country”, as if I’m a refugee and I come from her toy-boy's country, Afghanistan.
Just for the theatrics, please Baba Kadiri I beseech thee to tell us what happened when you were told that Africans don’t have to wash their hands. It was priceless!
But, of course you don’t have to, if you don’t want to
This was my song on my way back home to Sweden (from Nigeria) and the plane wasn’t moving fast enough: My love is waiting
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More info Dear Baba Kadiri: Shalom!
I don't want to fight with you, you are my best friend, in some areas my mentor and my Baba.
Praise be to Almighty God and many thanks for the long-winded, boastful octogenarian description of your perfect set of shiny white teeth and please take note that you’re not the only one who uses a miswak // siwak which in the Krio language is known as chaw-stick (chew-ing stick) after using which you may be better at chewing your bones.
And, “you may smile, and smile, and be a villain!”
I trust that perchance you have read Syl Cheney-Coker’s “The Graveyard Also Has Teeth: With Concerto for an Exile...”
As I told you on the phone this evening, I’m sure that I have suffered racism more than you have and as you know, I’m not a shuffering & shmiling type of fellow but you have yet to see me foaming at the mouth because some oyibo bombaclat neo-Nazi cracker who doesn’t even know who his father is thinks that “Nigger” is Franz Heinrich Hamelberg’s first name or some really ugly, silly, toothless, semi-literate bombaclat neo-Nazi old lady who doesn’t know who her father is, wants to know why I don’t want to go back to “my country”, as if I’m a refugee and I come from her toy-boy's country, Afghanistan.
Just for the theatrics, please Baba Kadiri I beseech thee to tell us what happened when you were told that Africans don’t have to wash their hands. It was priceless!
But, of course you don’t have to, if you don’t want to
This was my song on my way back home to Sweden (from Nigeria) and the plane wasn’t moving fast enough: My love is waiting
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History : latest update ( positive gossip" - from Mozilla News Beat:
"Royal Roles. Welp, didn't see this one coming. Prince Harry, Meghan Markle's husband and Duke of Sussex, now works in tech. The prince revealed his two new jobs this week. One being a commissioner at the Aspen Institute in D.C., where he'll help study the state of mis- and disinformation. The other being his new role as Chief Impact Officer at BetterUp, a San Francisco mental health and personal coaching company. The news is real but, we've gotta say, "British prince takes his talents to Silicon Valley" sounds like the premise of a fantastic made-for-TV movie. | via NBC News
On Thursday, 25 March 2021 at 12:10:53 UTC+1 Cornelius Hamelberg wrote:
Baba Kadiri,
This also concerns your "good conscience". the tremendous fuss you make about “The faith” and Faith and your erstwhile lengthy, learned school master’s deliberation on the history and significance of the term “Defender of the Faith” etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam, and your equally learned question about “What has marriage between Prince Harry of the United Queendom of Britain and Meghan Markell of the United States of America got to do with Judaism and Hebrew language? And that as you say, you” you just can't see any connection." - i-e., what has their marriage got to do with the Bible – with Adam & Eve….
To begin with, I would like to kindly remind you that they got married in church:
Full Ceremony: Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's royal wedding
and that they made the following vow to each other:
"I give you this ring as a sign of our marriage. With my body, I honour you, all that I am I give to you and all that I have I share with you within the love of God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit."
I suppose that you have some opinions to express about that too, that Meghan omitted the tradition “to obey “ - that "to obey" was not part of the language vow that Meghan took. Thereby departing from Paul’s homily in his epistle to the Ephesians, Ephesians 5:22 – 24 to wit:
“Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.” (King James Version)
Don’t be shy. Please feel free to comment to your heart’s content about how the King James Version came into being and whether or not the modern, innovative Meghan was conforming to the traditional Royal norm by adapting to acting like the Romans and the Romance in her own special way.
" Obey" rings a bell ...belle
BTW, I'm looking forward to Sunday's Interview with my Yourna Idol Chief Commander Ebenezer Obey and I'm sure that for a change you agree with me that this is a good wedding song: What God has Joined Together Let No man Put Asunder
I haven’t taken up some of your other scurrilous points yet, but I’m sure that there’s something that you want to say, so I pause for a reply
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 at 21:42, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh Menahem Hamelberg,My good conscience will never permit me to kiss you lie instead of kissing you with truth. You stated interalia : You (Salimonu Kadiri) have a problem; I (Cornelius Hamelberg) know my British history fairly well. My emphases are in brackets. From the above two cited sentences of yours, it is obvious that a problem you imagined me to have is, not knowing that you, Cornelius Hamelberg, are a Briton who knows his British history fairly well (I know my British history fairly well - Cornelius Hamelberg). You can be a Briton without being a Caucasian and you can be a Judaist, even a radicalised one, without being neither a Jew or Hebrew (I think the Jews or Hebrews are anthropologically classified as Caucasian even though Europeans before and after World War II labelled them Asians who should not be allowed to dilute their blood with European blood). Of course, I have no reason to envy you if you honestly believe yourself to be a Briton.
Much of what you (Salimonu Kadiri) call history is gossip - Menahem Cornelius Hamelberg.
Your British history which you claimed to know fairly well cannot be dissociated from history of racism which Prince Harry and Meghan Markel they have surffered within the British Royal Family in year 2021. It is not a gossip that human beings in the world are divided into White, Black, Red and Yellow; and it is not a gossip that the Whiteman is the allocator of racial colour to humans. By referring to other humans as coloured people, the Whitemen regard themselves as colourless. It is not a gossip that humans are racially classified as, Caucasian, Mongolloid and Negroid by the Whiteman. It is not a gossip that a child parented by a White person and an anthropological African is called a Mulatto by the Whiteman; and a child parented by a Mulatto and a White person is called Quardroon by the Whiteman; and a child parented by a Quardroon and a White person is called Octroon by the Whiteman. Remarkably is that, it is only children parented between the anthropological African and the White person that are given racists identities even up to the fiftieth generation. It is not a gossip that Arthur de Gobineau was the author of ' An Essay on Inequality Between Races, from which German Nazi racial doctrine sprung. It was not a gossip that Adolf Hitler wrote Mein Kampf. It was not a gossip that Henry Fairchild Osborn of the USA received the Goethe medal from Adolf Hitler in 1934. It was not a gossip that Henry Ford of the USA authored the book, "The International Jew." It was not a gossip that Hitler's governed Germany started World War II, built his gas-chamber at Auschwitz to exterminate the inferior races and erected his Hospital at Buchenwald where inferior races were exposed to painful and dangerous experiments. That a German medical practitioner, Dr Joseph Mengele, performed experiments on non-aryan humans at the concentration camps was not a gossip. That Nazi Germany racist regime was defeated in 1945 was not a gossip. That the four victorious powers, Soviet Union, USA, Britain and France set up international Tribunal at Nuremberg to try surviving German Nazi leaders for their crime of deploying racism to advance national political and economic interests was not a gossip. That I. T. Nikitchenko and A. F. Volchkov (Soviet Union); Francis Biddle and John J. Parker (USA); Lord Justice William Norman Birkett and Lord Justice Geoffrey Lawrence (Great Britain); and Donndieu de Vabres and Robert Falco (France) sat as Judges in the trial of the Nazists that began in Nuremberg on 20 November 1945 was not a gossip. That the four power Chief prosecutors in the trial of the Nazists were Roman Rudenko (Soviet Union), Robert Jackson (USA), Sir Hartley Shawcross (Great Britain), and Francois de Menthon (France, replaced with Auguste Champetier de Ribes in January 1946) was not a gossip. It was not a gossip that the Defence lawyer of the Nazi ideologue, Dr Alfred Rosenberg, objected to the trial of the Nazists on the ground that the racial war perpetrated by Nazi Germany was less racist than the racial war of annihilations that converted USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to Whiteman's countries. And it was not a gossip that on October 1, 1946, at 14:50:00 hours judgments on German Nazi leaders were pronounced whereby 12 of them were sentenced to death, seven were sentenced to life imprisoment and three were acquitted. It was not a gossip that the world believed that the judgment on the Nazists was the final nail on the coffin of racists and the end of racism in the world.
The world has, since 1946, known better which is why in 2021, the world is still groaning over racism, even in the Queendom of Britain as experienced by Meghan Markel because she happens to contain in her blood stream, a 50% anthropological African blood. "I know my British history fairly well", you boasted. Well, may I inform you that I have read the history of Africa's colonizers too which happens to be part of your British history. I did not set out to correct your British history as you assumed but to bring out relevant aspect of racism as far as Prince Harry and his wife, Meghan Markel, are concerned. In your submission dated 15 March 2021 on this topic, you stated, "To begin with, our dear radical Prince Charles, the future King of Britain more or less abolished the title, *defender of the faith* and replaced it long ago with a new, more inclusive title: *Defender of Faith* - It caused quite a stir at the time coming on the heels of his Oxford address on al-Islam." Three days later, 18 March 2021, you averred in your post, "Fact is, that he (Prince Charles) recanted the idea of *Defender of Faith* and reverted to the old order formula, *Defender of THE FAITH* once again ... If your submission on Monday, 15 March 2021, that your radical Prince Charles, more or less, abolished the title *defender of the faith* and replaced it with *Defender of Faith,* is correct, how then could you somasault on 18 March 2021 to conclude that the same Prince Charles recanted the idea of *Defender of Faith* and reverted to the old order formula, *Defender of THE FAITH?* Did you not say that Prince Charles invented *Defender of Faith* which was new and more inclusive? I am not in doubt that you know your British history fa
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No worries. The poet who wants to understand or know the difference between "All", " Some" and " Many" need look no further.Here’s what some a-them would like us to believe about the state of their own mental health:
“A Mind with problems is not a serious mind” (According to Jiddu Krishnamurti
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