When Hisbah was brewing and waxing strong in the Northwest, the brilliant constitutional lawyers and SANs of the Southwest (and Southeast) watched in indifference.
At that time, we had a fairly independent Supreme Court that might have weighed in to either affirm the constitutionality of Hisbah and similar security outfits in the subnational units or declare them unconstitutional--all of them.
Had they sued and gotten Hisbah declared legal, the legal road would have been cleared for Amotekun (and all future subnational security arrangements), and AGF Malami would not have made today's pronouncement.
The brilliant lawyers of the Southwest instead deferred to Tinubu, who for selfish political reasons did not want to offend the politicians and aristocrats of the Northwest. Hisbah became both a de facto and de jure reality.
Today, Hisbah is fully entrenched, and you have a Supreme Court that is an extension of the Cabal and their brazenly pro-Northern, pro-Muslim agenda.
The SANs of the Southwest can belatedly try to sue for a constitutional judgment on both Amotekun and Hisbah, but it will end up with Justice Tanko, who wants our constitution reviewed to accommodate more Sharia law and is a stooge of the cabal.
Lesson: never let the political interest of one powerful man dictate how you, as a region, react to consequential developments in the polity. If you do it will come back to bite you.
--
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDial...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialo...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/4997E9C6-1C9A-4919-8DA6-D70578DFD50B%40austin.utexas.edu.
Amotekun May Be Nigeria’s Moment of Truth
By Farooq Kperogi
The federal government's declaration of Amotekun as "illegal" was predictable. But the declaration may well precipitate unpredictable seismic national tremors that could convulse the very foundation of Nigeria.
For one, it will certainly ignite soul-searching conversations, such as why the federal government has no problems with Hisbahs and so-called civilian JTFs in the North, which are no different from Amotekun, and why people who feel unprotected by evidently compromised and inept federal security agencies shouldn't band together to preserve their lives.
Self-preservation is the first law of nature. No sentient humans voluntarily choose to make themselves defenseless victims of armed, murderous criminals, irrespective of what the law says.
A government that has shown itself, time and again, to be either unwilling or unable to protect lives is taking umbrage at people’s decision to safeguard their lives, to refuse to be collective sitting ducks to homicidal marauders. The cheek!
This may well turn out to be the moment Nigeria has been waiting for. It may be the jolt we need to get out of our accustomed national complacence and self-imposed suspended animation. Or not.
--
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDial...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialo...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/4997E9C6-1C9A-4919-8DA6-D70578DFD50B%40austin.utexas.edu.
And this is Moses’ job?
Toyin Falola
Department of History
The University of Texas at Austin
104 Inner Campus Drive
Austin, TX 78712-0220, USA
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/VI1PR04MB4493B5E73814AF0443EF834CA6340%40VI1PR04MB4493.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAAHJfPr5_LHRy%3DRqddAoqFHwiUzhoFt02mEDZpm5boiCJ%3DCNrw%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAAHJfPr5_LHRy%3DRqddAoqFHwiUzhoFt02mEDZpm5boiCJ%3DCNrw%40mail.gmail.com.
Just published “The African Corporation, ‘Africapitalism’ and Regional Integration in Africa” (September 2018). DOI: https://doi.org/10.4337/9781785362538.
And this is Moses’ job?
Toyin Falola
Department of History
The University of Texas at Austin
104 Inner Campus Drive
Austin, TX 78712-0220, USA
From: dialogue <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of agbetuyi <yagb...@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: dialogue <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 5:19 PM
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/VI1PR04MB4493B5E73814AF0443EF834CA6340%40VI1PR04MB4493.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAAHJfPr5_LHRy%3DRqddAoqFHwiUzhoFt02mEDZpm5boiCJ%3DCNrw%40mail.gmail.com.
Just published “The African Corporation, ‘Africapitalism’ and Regional Integration in Africa” (September 2018). DOI: https://doi.org/10.4337/9781785362538.
Okey,
Isn't this predictable, hackneyed, knee-jerk reaction exhausting even for you? I have as much contempt for anyone who supported and wanted to reelect Jonathan in 2015 in spite of the proven disaster that he was as I have for anyone who defends Buhari now in spite of his demonstrable incompetence.
Given Jonathan's own ineptitude, it wasn’t entirely unreasonable to expect that a 70-something-year-old man who had seen it all and who had been fighting to get back to power would reflect on his past mistakes and try to correct them if given another chance, if only to bequeath a legacy that would outlast him.
Alas, he had other intentions when he sought to get back to power, which we couldn't have known with cocksure certainty because we aren't clairvoyant. There are, after all, examples of past African dictators who truly reformed. Matthew Kerekou in Benin Republic is one. The shame is on the person who deceived, not on the person who genuinely trusted.
To desire a return to Jonathan because Buhari has turned out to be a worse disaster than Jonathan was is reactionary and boneheaded, in my opinion. It’s like desiring to return to the frying pan after escaping into the fire. It’s the same difference. There’s nothing about Jonathan’s days as president that is worth sentimentalizing.
I know Nigerians are notoriously amnesic, but Jonathan’s presidency was also sinking Nigeria to the nadir of despair. Jonathan was resented because he was incompetent, the same way normal, straight-thinking, non-partisan people deeply resent Buhari because he is incompetent, insensitive, nepotistic— and more.
Farooq
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAGCbkjqEhgznz84C5LpJyWZNc3D3O9SNuU45MOzc0mogYfSLLg%40mail.gmail.com.
As I see it, the creation of a state police system will most likely curb what's been reasonably determined by a cross-section of states as an existential security need to establish outfits such as Amotekun. In my view, the Presidency's insistence on monopolizing the instruments of coercion (and apparently using that monopoly to maintain a hegemonic political order) by refusing to allow for the creation of state police departments--against the backdrop of increasing threats to lives and property at the local level—has engendered and justified impulses and actions such as the creation of Amotekun and related outfits. It should come as no surprise that the announcement of the creation of Amotekun appeared to have been greeted with joy at the grassroots—as reflected in social media reactions. The antagonists appeared to be consisted of mainly interest groups and talking heads that viewed it, but naively so, as posing a threat to the hegemonic political order in the country. How can a loosely and apparently lightly-equipped Amotekun conceivably threaten federal military might with its heavily-armed army, air-force and navy—not to talk of its intelligence apparatus?
Nigeria is simply too big and too socially and geographically complex for a unitary policy system. Yes, the regional policy system of pre-Civil War Nigeria almost got transformed into competing regional armies, due substantially, in my view, to the fact that the country was constituted of only 4 regions—three big regions and one small mid-western region. Even then, those regional policy systems were no march for the Nigerian Army and did not deter the latter from prosecuting its succession of military coup de tats. Times have changed; the country now has 36 states, which taken together, broke or undermined the centrifugal potential of those gigantic regions. In my view, the fact of the existence of 36 states serves as a leverage against the possibility of lightly armed 36 state police state departments evolving into state armies, given other in-built and counter-veiling ethnic, religious, class and party political cleavages.
It does not require an expert political mind to note that the apparent impotence of the existing federal security apparatus in the face of what’s reported as a wide-spread pattern of threats to lives and property, including kidnapping, has led the states—or, at least, some states—to dabble into the expensive arena of building an infra-structure for the protection of the lives and properties of their state residents. Acting otherwise almost came to be seen as a dereliction of duty on the part of the elected state functionaries. After all, across the globe, protection of lives and property is viewed by modern society as the primary purpose of having a body of institutions, laws and personnel called a government. Since Nigeria is not set up as a unitary system of government and is supposed to be a federal system of governance, it's imperative to truly federalize the country's entire security super-structure.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAAHJfPr5_LHRy%3DRqddAoqFHwiUzhoFt02mEDZpm5boiCJ%3DCNrw%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAPq-FWtz10gWp8jLthSsUZSKGErTNg%2BTF1Jbc59dCNxD9YdCDg%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/VI1PR04MB4493E2077EBBAC77C9B27664A6340%40VI1PR04MB4493.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAGCbkjpAiJsbiKrxCYSLtBKutts_V6HXukk7NL-No32O217ptA%40mail.gmail.com.
As I see it, the creation of a state police system will most likely curb what's been reasonably determined by a cross-section of states as an existential security need to establish outfits such as Amotekun. In my view, the Presidency's insistence on monopolizing the instruments of coercion (and apparently using that monopoly to maintain a hegemonic political order) by refusing to allow for the creation of state police departments--against the backdrop of increasing threats to lives and property at the local level—has engendered and justified impulses and actions such as the creation of Amotekun and related outfits. It should come as no surprise that the announcement of the creation of Amotekun appeared to have been greeted with joy at the grassroots—as reflected in social media reactions. The antagonists appeared to be consisted of mainly interest groups and talking heads that viewed it, but naively so, as posing a threat to the hegemonic political order in the country. How can a loosely and apparently lightly-equipped Amotekun conceivably threaten federal military might with its heavily-armed army, air-force and navy—not to talk of its intelligence apparatus?
Nigeria is simply too big and too socially and geographically complex for a unitary policy system. Yes, the regional policy system of pre-Civil War Nigeria almost got transformed into competing regional armies, due substantially, in my view, to the fact that the country was constituted of only 4 regions—three big regions and one small mid-western region. Even then, those regional policy systems were no march for the Nigerian Army and did not deter the latter from prosecuting its succession of military coup de tats. Times have changed; the country now has 36 states, which taken together, broke or undermined the centrifugal potential of those gigantic regions. In my view, the fact of the existence of 36 states serves as a leverage against the possibility of lightly armed 36 state police state departments evolving into state armies, given other in-built and counter-veiling ethnic, religious, class and party political cleavages.
It does not require an expert political mind to note that the apparent impotence of the existing federal security apparatus in the face of what’s reported as a wide-spread pattern of threats to lives and property, including kidnapping, has led the states—or, at least, some states—to dabble into the expensive arena of building an infra-structure for the protection of the lives and properties of their state residents. Acting otherwise almost came to be seen as a dereliction of duty on the part of the elected state functionaries. After all, across the globe, protection of lives and property is viewed by modern society as the primary purpose of having a body of institutions, laws and personnel called a government. Since Nigeria is not set up as a unitary system of government and is supposed to be a federal system of governance, it's imperative to truly federalize the country's entire security super-structure.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAAHJfPr5_LHRy%3DRqddAoqFHwiUzhoFt02mEDZpm5boiCJ%3DCNrw%40mail.gmail.com.
As they say, it is easy to see 20/20 after the deed is done. Nigeria for some time has been running a system of government I liken to trying to drive a broken bus.
The passengers are lots of different people with different intentions, perspectives in life and have differing understanding of pursuits of happiness-actually normal.
Most of the occupants realize that the bus is broken and are clamoring for the bus to be fixed.
Once a group is elected to guide the affairs of the bus, they will immediately pretend that all is well with the bus and that things will soon be alright. They pretend that all that is needed is a good driver and they divert people’s attention to how to find the next best driver while totally ignoring that the bus is broken.
Even if a driver is good, also a mechanic, and wants to fix the bus first, with deep rooted interest groups and mutual suspicion, the person may not have enough time, their every move will be suspected and good intentions may not be enough.
Our present system of government is designed to trust that humans (the elected) are fundamentally rational, that extraneous influences are not usually significant and that they will work for the good of the rest of their countrymen.
This system, naive, wether by intention or not, I believe is the main problem with out government(our people) especially in pursuit of the ‘present day democracy’.
The systems that work best have in-built healthy doses of skepticism of every human who is to wield a lot of power over others.
Hence, the need for decentralizing, not concentrating power in the hands of any one person or group.
I also think that in our clime, were the bar is so low at this time, achieving even a single tangible goal by any administration will be commendable.
This is were I have consistently disagreed with a lot of people about Jonathan’s administration. He identified the most important problem with Nigeria and put in effect the national conference in an attempt to correct it. Though it has been argued by some that he did not really want to implement it, he did not cancel it, and if he had implemented the recommendations, we will not be back to the 1940s or even earlier arguments as to the best type of system to govern Nigeria. Was he chased out of office because of the fear he would implement it? The sole reason I felt he deserved a second term.
Jonathan’s administrations was characterized as bad, but it beats Buhari’s in every good measure.
The statement that “There’s nothing about Jonathan’s days as president that is worth sentimentalizing” is therefore not true.
How do we move forward?-hope for a next good driver for our broken bus or fix the bus?
The type of precedence the present administration will leave could never have been imagined, the only good is that it should be clear-to most- that the system is broken.
I want to believe that some members of the administration are fair minded people who have been given the job of driving a broken bus, worsened by a very bad driver.
Lastly, regarding the system of governing Nigeria, with full benefit of hindsight, I think that Awo and Bello were right in the 40s and 50s and Ojukwu was right at Aburi.
What do you think?
On Jan 14, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Farooq A. Kperogi <farooq...@gmail.com> wrote:
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAPq-FWswvGXhWCJ71NRLDmOW72a0wFbJPz-jZ9fFi4BibS8k%3Dw%40mail.gmail.com.
As I see it, the creation of a state police system will most likely curb what's been reasonably determined by a cross-section of states as an existential security need to establish outfits such as Amotekun. In my view, the Presidency's insistence on monopolizing the instruments of coercion (and apparently using that monopoly to maintain a hegemonic political order) by refusing to allow for the creation of state police departments--against the backdrop of increasing threats to lives and property at the local level—has engendered and justified impulses and actions such as the creation of Amotekun and related outfits. It should come as no surprise that the announcement of the creation of Amotekun appeared to have been greeted with joy at the grassroots—as reflected in social media reactions. The antagonists appeared to be consisted of mainly interest groups and talking heads that viewed it, but naively so, as posing a threat to the hegemonic political order in the country. How can a loosely and apparently lightly-equipped Amotekun conceivably threaten federal military might with its heavily-armed army, air-force and navy—not to talk of its intelligence apparatus?
Nigeria is simply too big and too socially and geographically complex for a unitary policy system. Yes, the regional policy system of pre-Civil War Nigeria almost got transformed into competing regional armies, due substantially, in my view, to the fact that the country was constituted of only 4 regions—three big regions and one small mid-western region. Even then, those regional policy systems were no march for the Nigerian Army and did not deter the latter from prosecuting its succession of military coup de tats. Times have changed; the country now has 36 states, which taken together, broke or undermined the centrifugal potential of those gigantic regions. In my view, the fact of the existence of 36 states serves as a leverage against the possibility of lightly armed 36 state police state departments evolving into state armies, given other in-built and counter-veiling ethnic, religious, class and party political cleavages.
It does not require an expert political mind to note that the apparent impotence of the existing federal security apparatus in the face of what’s reported as a wide-spread pattern of threats to lives and property, including kidnapping, has led the states—or, at least, some states—to dabble into the expensive arena of building an infra-structure for the protection of the lives and properties of their state residents. Acting otherwise almost came to be seen as a dereliction of duty on the part of the elected state functionaries. After all, across the globe, protection of lives and property is viewed by modern society as the primary purpose of having a body of institutions, laws and personnel called a government. Since Nigeria is not set up as a unitary system of government and is supposed to be a federal system of governance, it's imperative to truly federalize the country's entire security super-structure.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAAHJfPr5_LHRy%3DRqddAoqFHwiUzhoFt02mEDZpm5boiCJ%3DCNrw%40mail.gmail.com.
C’mon Toyin Adepoju, O most sensitive & noble soul, you’re surely overreacting!
In her majesty’s English, like “silly”,” nonsense” is not even a mild expletive; it is less than innocuous, it is standard fare even in the House of Commons, not to mention where the Honourable Lord Agbetuyi is coming from (The House of Lords).
“Nonsense” is the good word that one smart alec uses to assail, attack, assault the argument of his opponent - to denigrate the argument of his opponent, but not his person. If he said that you were nonsense, then according to the rule of law, he should be tried and found guilty of an argumentum ad hominem, shouldn’t he?
Check this definition of nonsense
At least he did not refer to you as “an idiot” or “an imbecile”, as one good-for-nothing English colonial bum addressed me because I do not share his sympathies for Hamas, Islamic Jihad, anti-Semites and the so-called “anti-Zionists”.
And Lord Agbetuyi certainly did not refer to you as Dr Cunnilingus , in which case I assume that if you were not exercising some “the quality of mercy is not strained”, all you would have had to was to pick up the phone and give some directions to the worse than area boys in whatever city in which he lives, so that he would be transported to the nearest hospital on sick leave - and if the treatment ( for the damage done to him) is not available nearby, then he would have to be flown to e.g. London Town and pray there for his recuperation and deliverance and for his eventual ascension to heaven or his church burial and descent into the other place.
On the other hand, “imbecile”, “idiot” and “liar” are much stronger words (according to Her Majesty’s Language Culture). We can’t have one member of this august forum, calling out another member of this august forum such names, and this is also true of the House of Commons, where Dr Ian Paisley was suspended from the House of Commons, for accusing another Hon. Member of the House of being “a liar”
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to yoruba...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/yorubaaffairs/4997E9C6-1C9A-4919-8DA6-D70578DFD50B%40austin.utexas.edu.
--
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafric...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CALUsqTTMqBvAZav8wSsQvK8ZPXNbmXx4h6T7BS7%2BksXC%3DGyf%3Dg%40mail.gmail.com.
--
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafric...@googlegroups.com.
Okey,
You are projecting. You imagine that because you're a Jonathandeen who was "on the ground" in Nigeria during his misrule (doing God knows what), I must be a "Buharideen" as well. I was never a Buhari enthusiast at any point in my life. (Read what I wrote about him in a badly proofread April 2003 opinion article in AllAfrica.com: https://allafrica.com/stories/200304280271.html
Heck, I am no enthusiast of ANY Nigerian politician. I am just a critical democratic citizen who holds ALL wielders of reigning power structures to account.
I NEVER at any time canvassed for votes for Buhari. Go check my columns: they are all available online. I was more against Jonathan's fatal incompetence than I was for Buhari's ascendancy to the presidency--just like I was more against Buhari's stultifying ineptitude than I was for Atiku's rise to the presidency in 2018 and 2019.
In fact, when I was approached to join Buhari's campaign in 2014 I rejected it--just as I rejected Atiku's invitation to join his campaign in 2018. I gave them the same answers. I told them it was unethical to be part of a campaign I publicly commented on as a disinterested commentator and added that I would hold their feet to the fire if they got to power--like I did to the people they were trying to replace--and didn't want them to be blindsided. I am not wealthy, but my conscience isn't purchasable by ANYONE in this world.
Buhari became an option ONLY because Jonathan was such an intolerably unrelieved catastrophe. In 2011 when Buhari ran against Jonathan, Buhari, like in previous elections, won votes only from the Hausaphone Muslim north, which wasn't sufficient to make him president. Jonathan hadn't burned all his goodwill then.
By the way, Jonathan also had his own "cabal" that was corrupt, insular, destructive, and backward. Perhaps, because you were "on the ground" in Nigeria when Jonathan and his cabal held sway, you benefited, directly or indirectly, from the bazaar they presided over. Maybe you're still smarting from the unanticipated stoppage of the privileges you enjoyed from being "on the ground."
If that's even remotely true, you and I are gazing at the same issues with different lenses. There is not a single record in my public commentaries where I ever supported any government in power. I am ALWAYS critical of ALL governments in power. So criticizing Buhari isn't actuated by a "buyer's remorse." It's what I've always done, and which I put them on notice I would do during their campaigns and after they won.
For instance, in my April 4, 2015 column titled “After the Euphoria, what President-elect Buhari Needs to know,” I wrote that Buhari’s “relationship with the media would be crucial. The media will get under his skin. Columnists like me will excoriate him, not because we hate him, but because we care, and because we know that to perform well and be in touch with the masses of people who elected him, we need to help hold his feet to the fire. When Thomas Jefferson famously said, ‘Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter,’ he was acknowledging the importance of the media to the sustenance of democracy.
"President Buhari should expect to be scrutinized and criticized and even ‘attacked’ by critical media outfits like the compulsively contrarian Sahara Reporters, which robustly supported him throughout his campaign for the presidency. Recall that the same Sahara Reporters vigorously supported Jonathan against the late Yar’adua’s ‘cabal.’ Before then, it supported Abubakar Atiku against Obasanjo. It will turn against Buhari the moment he officially assumes duties. It’s not personal. Sahara Reporters understands its role as a comforter of the afflicted and an afflicter of the comfortable.
"Many of us share this ‘adversarial’ philosophy of the press and shouldn’t be made to suffer for it. I want to be able to visit Nigeria without being harassed by security forces because I wrote critical articles against the president and his government.”
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAGCbkjpAiJsbiKrxCYSLtBKutts_V6HXukk7NL-No32O217ptA%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/VI1PR04MB4493E2077EBBAC77C9B27664A6340%40VI1PR04MB4493.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/VI1PR04MB44931BDAC8322742B297CBF2A6360%40VI1PR04MB4493.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com.
Sir,
One of the most dynamic features of this forum is its diversity. How boring it would be if we all agreed about everything.
I hope that I am not talking out of turn, for the times they are a-changin’ . (that was back in 64 of the last century – “ I was so much older then I’m younger than that now” ( My Back Pages)
Prestige is at stake. Somebody’s father, somebody’s brother, somebody’s lover…
In this very public forum, you are now castigating Brer Adepoju Jnr., writing to him from the very authoritative and authoritarian, lofty Olympian moral high ground vantage position of a Yoruba Elder. The watchword is still “spare the rod and spoil the child” but it’s only verbal this time and it’s supposed to be castigation as a way of correction to wayward youth so that wayward youth does not repeat the same horrible mistake or transgression.
Once upon a time In Yoruba Saro, wayward youth would have to lay down on his soft underbelly, flat on the ground and like a lowly serpent, full length, stretch out, extend his hands to the elder’s feet, humbly begging, “Do ya, ai baig pardin Sah!” And promising, never to do so again, Sir!
Gone are the days. I extend my sympathies.
After the RUF War in Sierra Leone, the urchin who would have stopped misbehaving or crying if you threatened that you would call a police constable has now been replaced by the ten-year-old child soldier mentality that retorts, “ Go ahead and call your police constable and I will shoot the mother-fkker right here in front of you !”
I suppose that the Biafra War must have had some of the same terrible after-effects, such as the breakdown in authority, in what was formerly a very normal, orderly, social order. Don’t forget that the Mid- West was the first land grab made by Ojukwu - and it is the Mid-West, later Bendel and now Edo state from which Vincent Adepoju hails.
Blame it all on colonialism? The problem is that nowadays, some people ascribe the breakdown of our societal cohesion, the breakdown of structures that were once firmly in place, to the vestiges of colonialism, like the after effects, the shocks that continue after an earthquake, ascribe this breakdown in the normal social order to certain foreign influences, the so-called modernity giving rise to disrespect for elders, to a new youth-man feeling of emancipation from the tyranny of the elder’s authority, even parental authority and, no respect, the feeling that they can talk to elders any damn way they like.
Sadly, gone are the days when “joy and happiness did reign and each man knew his worth”.
Pa Leon Thomas sings on, “And I cry, as time flies”
In self-defence, Wayward youth sometimes protest that it must also be respected – for example, there was a time when the hip-hopper’s sign of self-respect consisted in not tying the shoelaces of his hip-hop shoes, you know the full Monty, the baggy trousers, the holes in the jeans the gold chains on the neck, the earrings, the rings on the fingers, and all that talk about the “ bitches” - and language, all that talk is such an essential part of the identity ( In this forum, for example, much of the talk is somewhat “ academic”.
What you are asking for is reciprocity – that respect begets respect. Why should that be so difficult for way above average IQ academics to understand? I am puzzled too.
One reason could be that there is the mistaken notion that equates the duck pond with the ocean - in the sense that the forum itself is a whole world, or whatever niche some self-important members occupy in some little or great ivory tower somewhere is the centre of the universe, as if completely unaware that life goes on, in Honolulu someone is surfing, in Los Angeles too among the little men dwarfed by the big skyscrapers in New York and in Chicago, skyscraper monuments that will outlast us all. In fact, yesterday was the Rev Dr Martin Luther King’s Birthday.
When you situate Adepoju Jnr in a slave-like relationship with Moses Ochonu (“Let me add that you should ask your master and mentor Moses Ochonu”) we must understand that they probably enjoy a unity of purpose. Ochonu is Idoma, from Benue State – the so-called Middle Belt, and from all we have seen in this forum he’s a good Nigerian (like my dear friend Mr Unah, former first secretary of the Nigerian Embassy in Stockholm in the late 70s and early 1980s). Just being Idoma and from Benue State, he may have a permanent axe to grind with the Buhari or any other administration until and unless things change for the much better, on his turf back home - and of course, I/ we may be wrong about that – for all we know, he is as egalitarian, neutral and even-handed as Farooq Kperogi claims to be to the extent that no one can but his conscience.
The ball is in Adepoju's court
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to yoruba...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/yorubaaffairs/4997E9C6-1C9A-4919-8DA6-D70578DFD50B%40austin.utexas.edu.
--
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafric...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CALUsqTTMqBvAZav8wSsQvK8ZPXNbmXx4h6T7BS7%2BksXC%3DGyf%3Dg%40mail.gmail.com.
--
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafric...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/VI1PR04MB4493E2077EBBAC77C9B27664A6340%40VI1PR04MB4493.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com.
--
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafric...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/DM6PR07MB50209427F3FB5B79360153E0AE370%40DM6PR07MB5020.namprd07.prod.outlook.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/DM6PR07MB50209427F3FB5B79360153E0AE370%40DM6PR07MB5020.namprd07.prod.outlook.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/VI1PR04MB449380DA3868EC596651D33BA6310%40VI1PR04MB4493.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com.
Great one:
The integrity of a site like this resides in the integrity of the contributors.
Many of you assume that it is my full-time job!
I miss many of the silly stuff in the rush to approve. Thus, I have to keep appealing to adults to behave as adults.
Even in private, folks send me insulting messages.
TF
Toyin Falola
Department of History
The University of Texas at Austin
104 Inner Campus Drive
Austin, TX 78712-0220, USA
From: dialogue <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com>
Reply-To: dialogue <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 5:40 AM
To: dialogue <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Amotekun!!!
When did this group become a motor park group in which one person is consistently allowed to insult other people in the name of debating?
"Anozie Ebirim is talking rubbish.
OAA"
Should the psychological security of group members not be protected by group moderators?
thanks
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 19:14, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Anozie Ebirim is talking rubbish.
Amotekun cannot be used to combat theft of sovereignty. Several political parties will institute their own Amotekun and this was why I alerted that this could lead to civil wars unless law enforcement is left in the hands of the sole constitutional provider - the police!
OAA
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------
From: Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com>
Date: 17/01/2020 12:09 (GMT+00:00)
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Amotekun!!!
This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (toyin....@gmail.com) Add cleanup rule | More info
I have been waiting for Kadiri's response.
Here is what I am able to appreciate as the core of his submission that is relevant to my interests-
"Constitutionally, a Governor of a State in Nigeria, is the Chief Security Officer of the State with whom the State Commissioner of Police shall work hand-in-hand. There is a huge Security Budget at the disposal of every State Governor which is exempted from auditing. State Governors do not need the approval of the federal government to spend their Security Votes. Each state's government and its legislature determines what constitutes a threat to the well-being of the inhabitants of the state and is empowered by law to do everything possible to repel such threat.
Unlike Amotekun which is a security outfit aimed at combating threats to human lives and properties, Hisbah is a Muslim religion moral police. The Constitution of Nigeria obliges local, state and federal governments in Nigeria to provide adequate shelter, good healthcare delivery, gainful employment, and free education up to junior secondary school for all children of school age. Instead of providing basic amenities of life for their citizen, the Sharia ruled states have engaged themselves with performing mass wedding and sponsoring people on pilgrimages to Mecca. One of the Sharia states engaged in this tomfoolery, is Kano state that sends out Hisbah to arrest hungry and jobless people begging for alms to in order to feed."
What does this stance imply, coming from a die hard defender of the very people Amotekun was formed to combat? A loyalist of the right wing characters in Nigerian govt who empower the very forces that Amotekun is fighting?
Is a seismic shift taking place in Nigeria's SW? Is it all a means of bargaining for the 2023 Presidency, as Anozie Ebirim on Facebook declares or a political and military positioning demonstrating a wall agst thieves of sovereignty?
toyin
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 23:56, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Okey Iheduru :
15 January 2020 was exactly 54 years ago that five Nigerian Military Majors (actually 8) successfully toppled the civilian government in Nigeria but the Majors, unfortunately, were themselves overthrown and speedily supplanted by ethnic supremacists. The rest is history, painful and sorrowful as we later experienced. Nonetheless, I am forced to remind you of that coup because of your remark below on ÀMÒTÉKÙN which is as follows, "The *Aburi Accords* gave them much better and enduring option than OPC-in-uniform, *but the sage,* their sage,* preferred Dodan Barracks crumbs." As a professor of history, you could not have missed Decree No. 8, of 17 March 1967, which contained all the points agreed to between Gowon and all the then four existing Governors at Aburi (4-5 January 1967). The only addition to Decree No.8, was a clause that empowered the Federal government to declare Emergency in any part of Nigeria if needed. Otherwise, the Decree was intended to usher Nigeria into a decentralized administration. Ojukwu, however, rejected Decree No. 8 of 17 March 1967 in its entirety. Reason for his rejection were not farfetched as Lieutenant Colonel Philip Effiong disclosed later that in February 1967, "Meanwhile, clandestine recruiting became intensive in the Igbo speaking areas of the East, even though there was reasonable enthusiasm from the non-Igbo speaking areas as well to join the army at that time. By this discriminatory recruiting policy, Ojukwu implied two things, namely : (i) That the recruitment was illegal at that point in time. (ii) That non-Igbos of the region were not to be trusted and, consequently, this set the tone for wartime intertribal war related clashes in war-torn Biafra (p. 170, Nigeria and Biafra : My Story by Philip Effiong)." Awolowo, which you tacitly referred to as Sage or their (South West) Sage was never involved in the negotiation and non-implementation of your self-appraised Aburi Accords. Awolowo was not in the government and the political game was played mainly by Gowon and Ojukwu.
By your reference to *Aburi Accords,* you seemed to suggest that Nigeria was defederated in 1967, which is untrue. Nigeria was defederated on 29 May 1962 when the Federal Coalition Government of the NCNC and NPC of the then Eastern Region and Northern Region, respectively, declared a state of Emergency in Western Region and appointed an administrator to exercise the powers of the Premier and the Governor. The State of Emergency was sequelled to the disruption of parliamentary business by five supporters of Samuel Ladoke Akintola, to prevent a vote of confidence on Dauda Soroye Adegbenro as the Premier of Western Region, on 25 May 1962. Akintola had been removed as the Premier on 21 May 1962 by the Governor Sir Adesoji Aderemi, after he had received a letter signed by 66 members of the Action Group in the Regional House of Assembly saying that they no longer had confidence in Akintola as the Premier. After the disruption, both Awolowo and Adegbenro contacted the Prime Minister, Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, to provide police so that the business of the House could be conducted without disruption. Balewa replied that if police were present in the House, whatever decision was taken would not be accepted by him, even though, the Federal Constitution then did not subject the decisions of the Regional Legislatures in Nigeria to the approval of the Prime Minister. When the Western House of Assembly tried to meet again in the evening of 25 May 1962, it was disrupted once more and Balewa ordered the Police to clear and lock the House. Thereafter, Balewa called the meeting of Federal Parliament for the purpose of declaring a State of Emergency in Western Region on 29 May 1962, having claimed that what happened in the Western House of Assembly on 25 May 1962 amounted to a Breakdown of Law and Order. Opposing the declaration of State of Emergency in Western Region, Chief Obafemi Awolowo said that there was peace all over Western Region including, the capital, Ibadan. He referred to ongoing riots at Okirika, in Eastern Region and Jos, in the Northern Region which did not cause the Federal Government to declare states of emergency in those regions. Pointing to the gross misuse of power by the Federal Government, Awolowo concluded that "the step that is now being taken in this Resolution is a violent assault on democratic institutions in Nigeria. It assumes that Parliament can only meet at the sufferance of a group of people who are hostile to that particular Parliament and who are friendly to the Federal Government." The contribution of the Deputy Leader of the Action Group and a member of the Parliament, Chief Anthony Enahoro, to the debate on the declaration of a state of Emergency in the West was remarkably philosophical as he said that he was in total confusion because no one knew how the decision, about to be taken would end. (Nigerian Hansards, col. 2169- 2200, May 29, 1962). The constitutionality of the declaration of a state of emergency was challenged in court and the Action Group secured the service of a British Lawyer and a member of the Nigerian Bar, Mr. Dingle Foot, to represent it, afterwhich Rotimi Williams was technically prevented from appearing for Adegbenro and the AG. Shortly after arrival in Nigeria, Mr. Dingle Foot was served with expulsion order to leave Nigeria within twenty-four hours by the Nigerian Government without giving any reason. However, the Premier of Eastern Region and the leader of the NCNC, Dr. Michael Iheonukura Okpara, was reported in the NCNC affiliated newspaper, the West African Pilot of 4 June 1962, to have stated thus, "There is emergency in a part of the country and you don't need to fumble in court in such a situation. If there were an emergency in Britain, would any Nigerian lawyer be allowed to challenge the authority of the British Parliament in declaring a state of emergency? …//… I think this democracy of ours is being misinterpreted." In a leading editorial of the official organ of the NCNC, West African Pilot of 8 June 1962, it was stated, "..... Nigeria is most certainly committed to the principle of the rule of law. We regard ourselves as faithful members of the Commonwealth club. But the basis of this membership is that we should be free to mind our business without outside humbug. …. Each time the Government tries to uphold the sovereignty and integrity of this country, doctrinaire constitutionalists will plead liberal democracy. … The Federal Government should be firmer in future in dealing with such vexatious issues as this Foot nonsense." With the declaration of state of emergency in Western Region, the government of the Action Group in the Region was effectively overthrown and a government that was never voted for by the people emerged after the end of the emergency on 31 December 1962. The cumulative political problems arising out of the state of emergency declared by the Federal controlled government of NPC and NCNC political parties from the North and the East on the West finally led to the 15 January 1966 coup. The defederation of Nigeria and centralisation of administrative power was completed by Major General Johnson Thompson Umunnakwe Aguiyi-Ironsi, the Military Head of State, through his Decree No. 34 of 24 May 1966. Since then, power has been concentrated at the centre in Nigeria. It is important to remember that when Decree No.34 of 24 May 1966 was promulgated *the Sage* was still in prison at Calabar where he had been incarcerated by the Federal coalition government of NPC/NCNC since 1962/1963.
Professor Moses Ochonu blamed Southwest lawyers and Tinubu for doing nothing against Hisbah at birth but he did not explain what made it the exclusive responsibility of Tinubu and the Southwest's SANs alone to tackle Hisbah in the Northwest. Are Northcentral, South-south, and Southeast not concerned about Hisbah? For all that we know Hisbah is derived from Sharia which was adopted by twelve out of nineteen States in the North at the early stage of Obasanjo's government in 2000s. There were outcries especially in the Southern part of Nigeria that as a nation we should be governed under the same laws. Constitutional suits were filed in the court against the establishment of Sharia laws but I am not aware if any of the suits is concluded as of date. Professor Ochonu averred that, "The SANs of the Southwest can belatedly try to sue for a constitutional judgment on both Amotekun and Hisbah, but it will end up with Justice Tanko, who wants our constitution reviewed to accommodate more Sharia law and is a stooge of the cabal." Amotekun and Hisbah (Sharia) are too parallel lines that can never meet no matter how long one tries to draw them. Section10 of the 1999 constitution says, "The Government of the Federation or of a State shall not adopt any Religion as a State Religion." Constitutionally, a Governor of a State in Nigeria, is the Chief Security Officer of the State with whom the State Commissioner of Police shall work hand-in-hand. There is a huge Security Budget at the disposal of every State Governor which is exempted from auditing. State Governors do not need the approval of the federal government to spend their Security Votes. Each state's government and its legislature determines what constitutes a threat to the well-being of the inhabitants of the state and is empowered by law to do everything possible to repel such threat. Unlike Amotekun which is a security outfit aimed at combating threats to human lives and properties, Hisbah is a Muslim religion moral police. The Constitution of Nigeria obliges local, state and federal governments in Nigeria to provide adequate shelter, good healthcare delivery, gainful employment, and free education up to junior secondary school for all children of school age. Instead of providing basic amenities of life for their citizen, the Sharia ruled states have engaged themselves with performing mass wedding and sponsoring people on pilgrimages to Mecca. One of the Sharia states engaged in this tomfoolery, is Kano state that sends out Hisbah to arrest hungry and jobless people begging for alms to in order to feed. https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2018/07/18/508-beggars-arrested-in-kano/
Off course, Malami can file a constitutional suit against the Southwest State's governments over the establishment of Amotekun, but I am very confident that the learned SANs from Southwest would request that the case be handled by a panel of non-Muslims and non-Christian judges. Thereby, the fear of partiality by the Sharia minded Chief Justice Tanko would be eliminated. I cannot understand the cause of Abubakar Malami's furore over Amotekun whereas he was silent about the institution of Livestock Guards by the Benue State Government to give effect to no open grazing law enacted by Benue State House of Assembly and signed into law by the Governor, Samuel Ioraer Ortom. https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/north-central/344696-benue-grazing-law-81-herdsmen-convicted-3000-cows-arrested-ortom.html;
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CALUsqTSF6FTP4ZcfTLDEYaMti5OrQYRHAaibnsLgHznYx9qUZg%40mail.gmail.com.