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DR SIKIRU ENIOLA

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Sirs, the corollary of these arguments apply to Russia. In 1994, as confirmed by Ukraine at the UNGA, Ukraine surrendered the single largest nuclear materials to the World Atomic watchdog. This marked an end to radical demilitarization. Ukraine has forayed into many other projects resulting in cutting edge technologies, standardized University Education, Advanced Medical researches and training and accommodating foreign students especially from Africa.
The conspiracy theory about new and covert US recolonization and ruthless diplomacies are incontrovertible.
However, can we allow that to stop the opposition of the World to the Russian aggression against Ukraine? All scholars are human rights' activists of some sort. Despite the guilt of one imperialist, we must still talk about the trending aggression of another dictator. 
Russia was categorical in saying that "if Ukraine seeks to end the invasion, the country must permanently shelve the idea of joining NATO.."!!! This is power absolutism and I thought the World got over that in 1945.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 12:52 AM Assensoh, Akwasi B. <aass...@indiana.edu> wrote:

OK, Brother Victor, I now see the main reason for your assertion of "Afrocentric articulation". However,

I was making a general observation based partly on your point and also generally on SIR Toyin's brief but 

very interesting commentary. 


Well, as our Francophone brothers and sisters would say in  their Sorbonne French, "nous vivons pour voir" ("we live 

to see")!


A.B. Assensoh.


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Brother Assensoh:
What specifically ignited my response was TF's clarion call: "Develop your theories—don’t let others impose their theories upon you."

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 2:59 PM Assensoh, Akwasi B. <aass...@indiana.edu> wrote:

Brother Victor:


You are correct that when the Igbo abuse the Yoruba, and vice versa, it is all in the family. Therefore, the scenario falls under "Afrocentric articulation"!


SIR Toyin wrote that his coffee almost fell when "one person said the US intervention was for good." Well, my cup of tea fell when I opened a parcel yesterday, which contained another tome,  Decolonizing African Studies: Knowledge Production, Agency, And Voice by Toyin Falola: published by Rochester University Press, at i-xii; 6678 pages! I remembered his recent Cambridge University tome on Nigeria, which had a cover showing a poor Nigerian (a  "Hausa man"?) carrying the heavy map of Nigeria on his shoulder, all by himself!!


Well, what is happening to Ukraine, like a soccer ball being kicked from left and right, is sad! I remember what Mr. Ronald Reagan's armed forces did in 1983 to Grenada; and what happened to the lawful Prime Minister Maurice Bishop (1944-1983)? Is that a replay in Ukraine? When i think of it, my cup of tea will fall again, again, and  again!!! 


A.B. Assensoh.  

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TF:
That's an Afrocentric articulation. Nice job!

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:18 AM Toyin Falola <toyin...@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

The most disturbing to me in the Ukraine matter is not the US media and their scholars who are embedded in the empire project. They are all in one room, one brain, CNN, the professors, and the White House.

The most disturbing to me are African commentators on Ukraine.

 

So your continent was conquered, but they don’t understand how imperialism works.

 

You are ethnically divided, but you only understand Biafra and don’t see Biafra in other places. You clap for Biya when he destroys Western Cameroon, and praises the West when he undermines the projects of minorities.

 

You suffered from the Cold War but you don’t understand it when it unfolds in other places. You don’t see Ukraine as a proxy project.

 

You were pawns by superpowers but you don’t understand it when you see it in others.

 

You complain about ethnicity but you don’t apply it to other places.

 

You insult Lagos, but you don’t see dirty Peckham in London and slums in North of Paris

 

When Israel acts, you see them as the “Chosen People” but when Ethiopia acts, they are devils.

 

You see secessionist movements in your continent but you cannot relate it to other places.

 

You understand the Fulani herdsmen, but you cannot convert it to a global theory.

 

The French occupied your continent, but today you can clap for Macron in Ukraine over Putin. You don’t see that Putin and Macron are the same!

 

Illicit flow of wealth from Africa is now $85 billion a year, but you cannot relate it to your conditions and destructions.

 

US and Belgium destroyed Lumumba and Congo, but you cannot apply this to other issues.

 

They abused Muslims as the greatest terrorists in the world but you don’t see Europeans as terrorists, etc.

 

One person told me yesterday that US intervention is for good. My cup of coffee almost fell. US does not allow regional solutions to crises, including in the current one. You cannot go to El-Paso on the Mexican border and locate your missiles there directed at the US. Nuclear submarine near China you see it as the protection of global capitalism.

 

They are asking you not to teach critical theory but every day in private, the Igbo abuse the Yoruba, the Yoruba abuse the Igbo, and they all abuse the Fulani. You see racism in the US, but you don’t see it in Morocco.

 

Develop your theories—don’t let others impose their theories upon you.

TF

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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Grenada is a great reference.I 
remember, too, what the US did 
to the Kingdom of Hawaii,  start 
of the 20th century.

the-truth-behind-the-illegal-overthrow-
of-the-hawaiian-kingdom/







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Harrow, Kenneth

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these are weak or false equivalencies. what's the purpose of airing them? there is no end to the bad things the u.s. did, but because i picked my nose yesterday doesn't mean i can't get mad at your doing still worse today.

what is the logic of this for a progressive? we need to feel free, as intellectuals, to criticize the bad things we see, to lend our voices to cry out against them. if my country's past, or even present, were bad, if it acted in the wrong, what does that have to do with us crying out? failing to do so legitimizes historical evils, over and over, anywhere
ken

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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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There you go again, Ken, trying 
to muzzle voices and suppress
historical information. Assensoh’s
reference to Grenada was quite
in order,  and I thank him for that.

I also reflected on the Hawaiian 
Kingdom, having just come
across a few well documented 
discussions on the subject. 
In fact I am embarrassed to
realize how long this case was
unknown by me, and just
learnt a few new facts about
the human rights violation
of its last queen. You are
a  real  authentic  non- partisan
 specialist and advocate of 
human rights, aren’t you?

We can even add Libya, Iraq and
dozens more, to Grenada 
and Hawaii- each relevant to
some aspect of super power
 conflict and conflict resolution.

I am actually wrapping my head
around the interconnections
with Serbia, 1914, as well.
I teach  World History in addition 
to African History, so my
thinking is multidimensional
over time and space, and 
comparative, in methodology.

As a historian I take pride in 
creating awareness and 
criticizing all sides, at my own 
pace. Grenada was wrong and so
too Hawaii and  Ukraine,
Iraq, Libya etc.They each have
unique circumstances, and 
can be categorized according
to a long list of variables.

What’s the purpose of airing them?

For the same reason that we study
history and politics, Ken - to 
promote knowledge production
and knowledge sharing,
understanding and historical 
awareness, in a local, regional 
and global context.

I suppose that as a diehard 
paternalist, you have the urge 
to speak on behalf of your
mentees, juniors and subordinates.

I am not one of them, and
never will be.




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Harrow, Kenneth

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gloria, i shouldn't speak unless i welcome being criticized. a "paternalist" is a funny term to use for me, but if you know me well enough, you can use it. i think you need to talk to my grandkids first, however.

this issue of raising comparisons now interests me doubly. first, the invasion of ukraine by its powerful neighbor is an abomination. for me the parallels are more colonial and imperial. did other countries, or the u.s., not act this way in one or another point in history? of course. raising that point is a diversion from the question of ukraine, and it is being done today over and over on the web. i am sorry to see that. if i were to look for a parallel, it would be germany marching into czechoslovakia and poland, with the rhetoric of saving germans. the same fascist ruler who used "power past power," as saro-wiwa saw it.
let the ills of other countries be enumerated whenever you want, but not to "relativize" and thus diminish the critique of russia, which in the end diminishes the critique of colonial expansionism anywhere and anytime.
ken


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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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“if i were to look for a parallel,
 it would be germany marching 
into czechoslovakia and poland, 
with the rhetoric of saving 
germans. the same fascist ruler who 
used "power past power," 
as saro-wiwa saw it.”

This is a better approach. Give your 
examples. Don’t speak for others. 
Most of us on this list are 
experienced researchers.
Let scholars collect a thousand 
insights from various perspectives
 on the subject.Those who feel it 
know it, too. We would like
to hear from commentators 
on South America and Southeast 
Asia, too.

It is arrogant and presumptuous to
assume that any reference to another
historical incident of invasion  has to
fit into your mode of thinking. It is
insensitive of you to dismiss the
pain of all regions, but your chosen 
areas of focus. To  conclude that 
reference to this or that historical
incident is automatically intended
to relativize,  is an unproven,
unfounded assumption.





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Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association


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Oluwatoyin Adepoju

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it would be great to observe a demonstration  of how this can be done-

''You understand the Fulani herdsmen, but you cannot convert it to a global theory.''

Toyin Falola


A beautiful vision-


''I teach  World History in addition  to African History, so my thinking is multidimensional over time and space, and  comparative, in methodology.  As a historian I take pride in  creating awareness and  criticizing all sides, at my own  pace.we study history and politics - to  promote knowledge production and knowledge sharing, understanding and historical  awareness, in a local, regional  and global context. Let scholars collect a thousand  insights from various perspectives.''


Gloria Emeagwali




Salimonu Kadiri

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There is no end to the bad things the U.S. did, but because I picked my nose yesterday doesn't mean I can't get mad at your doing still worse today -Kenneth Harrow.

Kenneth, if you picked your nose yesterday and today you are still picking your nose, it will be hypocritical of you to get mad at another nose picker because you consider the person's nose picking worse than yours. Until you have stopped your own nose picking, you have neither moral nor legal right to get mad at any person even if the degree of nose picking of the person in question is relatively worse than yours.

The purpose of reading history, either as a hobby or profession, is not to forget its lessons when it is time for its practical application. As Henry Kissinger put it, "One of the most dificult challenges a nation confronts is to interpret correctly the lessons of its past. For the lessons of history, as of all experience, are contigent : they teach the consequences of certain actions, but they leave to each generation the task of determining which situations are comparable (p.16, Nuclear Weapons and Foreign Policy)." Cuba is a Sovereign State that permitted the then Soviet Union to erect a missile base in her territory, in 1962. When the U.S., through satelite photographs detected the missiles base, she ordered a naval blockade of the Island nation, Cuba, which does not even share land border with the U.S. The crisis was resolved when the Soviet Union agreed to dismantle the missiles base which the U.S. considered a threat to her existence. Now in 2022, the U.S. and her NATO allies intend to recruit Ukraine that shares land border with Russia into NATO and thereafter install missiles base there.

Yet, after the dissolution of Soviet Union, the Communist WASAW millitary alliance which was a counterforce to the Capitalist NATO military alliance was dissolved and the end of the cold war was not only proclaimed but also the beginning of peaceful coexistence amongst all mankind. Naturally, NATO military alliance should also have been dissolved just like WASAW military alliance too. A military alliance must predetermine its enemies and who are the enemies of NATO members? However, NATO military alliance did not only continue to exist but expanded to include former Communist countries such as Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovania, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia. It is an open fact that NATO missile base is in Poland, 107 kilometres to the Russian border. 

On December 16, the United Nations tabled a resolution that called for "combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary racism." The resolution was carried by 130 votes to 2. The two countries that voted against the resolution were the U.S., and Ukraine. In his address to the Russian people on why he was sending expeditionary forces into Ukraine, Valdamir Putin said, "I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the East, moving its military infrastructure closer to the Russian borders. It is well-known that for 30 years we have persistently tried to reach agreement with leading NATO countries on the principles of equal and inviolable security in Europe. ......, despite all our protests and concerns, NATO continued steadily to expand. The war machine is moving and, I repeat, it is coming close to our borders. .... Despite of all this, in December 2021, we once again made an attempt to agree with the United States and its allies on the principles of ensuring security in Europe and on the non-expansion of NATO. Everything was in vain." (excerpts culled from Aljazeera translation posted by Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju on this forum) 

In order to know the contents of the agreement Russia tried to reach with the United States and her allies in December 2021, let us refer to the Green Left publication posted on this forum, 24 February 2022, by Cornelius Hamelberg. The requests of Russia are as follows : NATO guarantees that it will not deploy missiles in nations bordering Russia; NATO to stop military and naval exercises in nations and seas bordering Russia; Ukraine will not become a member of NATO; the West and Rusia to sign a binding East-West security pact; the landmark treaty between the U.S. and Russia covering itermediate-range nuclear weapons, which the US abandoned in 2019, to be restored. The U.S. and her NATO allies rejected the Russian requests on the ground that each sovereign state has the right to determine over her security and to enter into military alliance with any chosen country. This is where the lesson of history comes in. Cuba was a sovereign state that decided to allow Soviet Union to build missiles base in her territory, but the U.S. unilaterally ordered naval blockade of Cuba because U.S. considered the missiles in Cuba as a threat to the security of the U.S.A.  Why is the U.S. led NATO countries granting Ukraine the same right they denied Cuba in 1962? Up till now the U.S. is still illegally occupying Guantánamo in Cuba against the wish of its government and the people. If the right of each nation to determine over its security is sacrosant, why is there so much noise about North Korea and Iran acquiring nuclear weapon?

What Kenneth Harrow failed to recognise in this Ukraine war is that from our experience the freedom and democratic rights proclaimed by the leading  carnivores in the jungle have always ended in their prey on the vegetarian mammals on which carnivores feed. All appeals by the vegetarian mammals to the carnivores to stop killing and eating fellow animals have always been rebuffed as communism, socialism and autocracy by the carnivores. If the U.S. and her NATO military allies had agreed not to admit Ukraine as a member and not to place missiles in that country or if the leadership in Ukraine had signed an agreement with Russia never to become a member of NATO and never to allow NATO military alliance to place missiles in Ukraine, war would have been averted. If NATO military alliance does not consider Russia as an enemy why do they need to place nuclear missiles in a neighbouring country, directed at her?
S. Kadiri

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There’s a proxy war going on with NATO and other Western European powers supplying weapons to Ukraine. What if those outside of Europe start supplying Russia?

In condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine Professor Harrow has said it’s an “abomination”(that loaded old King James Version of the Bible word that has such resonance in the English Language and continues to echo as the strongest possible term for moral condemnation in the eyes of God and man.)

Now that Baba Karadima has brought Russia’s security concerns to Professor Harrow’s attention, hopefully, we could be looking forward to Professor Harrow possibly revising or amending his critique/ criticism of the Russian incursion, although he is unhappy with comparisons with what have gone down in history before (such as God's destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah with brimstone and fire) and thinks that any comparisons (with e.g. the Bay of Pigs // the Bay of Pigs)

diminish the critique of russia, which in the end diminishes the critique of colonial expansionism anywhere and anytime. “

That was Professor Harrow’s Parthian shot at Professor Gloria Emeagwali in the ongoing love match between them

My question, I hope it is a loaded question:

Are Russia’s security concerns vis-à-vis the expansion of the NATO Empire eastwards to the very borders of Russia “colonial expansionism”?

I understand that relatively speaking the American Military bases in Africa - in voluntary cooperation with the current governments is a different matter altogether 

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I am sharing the below to draw the attention of those interested but who might not have considered reading the speech. It is never enough to read extracts because they could be out of context and that is what is common with western media.

 

GG


Thursday, February 24, 2022, Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed his nation, announcing a “special military operation” against Ukraine.

Below are highlights translated by Al Jazeera staff based on the transcript, released by the Russian presidency:

 


“Respected citizens of Russia! Dear friends!


“Today, I again consider it necessary to come back to the tragic events taking place in the Donbas and the key issue of ensuring Russian security. Let me start with what I said in my address of February 21. I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West.


“I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders. It is well known that for 30 years we have persistently and patiently tried to reach an agreement with the leading NATO countries on the principles of equal and inviolable security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we constantly faced either cynical deception and lies, or attempts to pressure and blackmail, while NATO, despite all our protests and concerns, continued to steadily expand. The war machine is moving and, I repeat, it is coming close to our borders.”

“After the collapse of the USSR, the realignment of the world began, and the norms of international law that had been developed – the key, basic ones being adopted in the aftermath of World War II and largely consolidating its outcome – began to get in the way of the self-proclaimed winner of the Cold War.


“Of course, in practical life, in international relations and the rules that regulated them, it was necessary to take into account changes in the state of affairs in the world and the balance of power. This should have been done professionally, smoothly, patiently, taking into account and respecting the interests of all countries and understanding one’s own responsibility. But no, the euphoria from having absolute superiority, a kind of modern-day absolutism, and the low level of general culture and arrogance of decision-makers [led to] decision prepared, adopted and pushed through that were beneficial only for themselves. The situation began to develop according to a different scenario.


“You don’t have to look far for examples. First, without any approval from the UN Security Council, they carried out a bloody military operation against Belgrade, using aircraft and missiles right in the very centre of Europe. [They carried out] several weeks of continuous bombing of cities and critical infrastructure. We have to remind of these facts, as some Western colleagues do not like to remember those events, and when we talk about it, they prefer to point not to the norms of international law, but to the circumstances that they interpret as they see fit.


“Then came the turn of Iraq, Libya, Syria. The illegitimate use of military force against Libya, the twisting of all decisions taken by the UN Security Council on the Libyan issue led to the complete destruction of the state, to the emergence of a major hotbed of international terrorism, to a humanitarian catastrophe and a civil war that has not ended to this day. The tragedy, to which they doomed hundreds of thousands, millions of people not only in Libya, but throughout this region, gave rise to a massive migration wave from North Africa and the Middle East to Europe.


“They ensured a similar fate for Syria. The Western coalition’s military activities on the territory of this country without the consent of the Syrian government or the approval of the UN Security Council are nothing but aggression, intervention.

“However, there is a special place for the invasion of Iraq, which was carried out also without any legal grounds. As a pretext, they put forward supposedly reliable information from the United States about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. As proof of this, publicly, in front of the eyes of the whole world, the US secretary of state shook some kind of a test tube with white powder, assuring everyone that this is a chemical weapon being developed in Iraq. And then it turned out that all this was a hoax, a bluff: there were no chemical weapons in Iraq.”

“In this context, there were promises to our country not to expand NATO even one inch to the east. I repeat – they deceived us, in other words, they simply conned us. Yes, you can often hear that politics is a dirty business. Perhaps [that is so], but not to this extent. After all, such cheating behaviour contradicts not only the principles of international relations, but above all the generally recognised norms of morality. Where is justice and truth here? Just total lies and hypocrisy.


“By the way, American politicians, political scientists and journalists themselves write and say that in recent years, an actual “empire of lies” has been created inside the United States. It’s hard to disagree with that, as it’s true. But let us not understate: the United States is a great country, a system-forming power. All her satellites not only dutifully agree, sing along to its music, but also copy its behaviour, and enthusiastically accept the rules they are offered. Therefore, with good reason, we can confidently say that the entire so-called Western bloc, formed by the United States in its own image and likeness, all of it is an ’empire of lies.'”

“Despite all of this, in December 2021 we once again made an attempt to agree with the United States and its allies on the principles of ensuring security in Europe and on the non-expansion of NATO. Everything was in vain. The US position did not change. They did not consider it necessary to negotiate with Russia on this important issue for us, continuing to pursue their own goals and disregarding our interests.”

“As for the military sphere, today, modern Russia, even after the collapse of the USSR and the loss of a significant part of its capacity, is one of the most powerful nuclear powers in the world and possesses certain advantages in some of the newest types of weaponry. In this regard, no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our country will lead to defeat and horrible consequences for any potential aggressor.”

“As NATO expands to the east, with every passing year, the situation for our country is getting worse and more dangerous. Moreover, in recent days the leadership of NATO has been openly talking about the need to speed up, force the advancement of the alliance’s infrastructure to the borders of Russia. In other words, they are doubling down on their position. We can no longer just watch what is happening. It would be absolutely irresponsible on our part.


“Further expansion of the NATO infrastructure and the beginning of military development in Ukraine’s territories are unacceptable for us. The problem, of course, is not NATO itself – it is only an instrument of US foreign policy. The problem is that in the territories adjacent to us – territories that were historically ours, I emphasise – an “anti-Russia” hostile to us is being created, placed under full external control; [it] is intensively settled by the armed forces of NATO countries and is supplied with the most modern weapons.


“For the United States and its allies, this is the so-called policy of containment of Russia, [which brings] obvious geopolitical benefits. And for our country, this is ultimately a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a people. And this is not an exaggeration – it is true. This is a real threat not just to our interests, but to the very existence of our state, its sovereignty. This is the very red line that has been talked about many times. They crossed it.


“About the situation in the Donbas. We see that the forces that carried out a coup in Ukraine in 2014, seized power and are holding it through sham electoral procedures, have given up on the peaceful settlement of the conflict. For eight years, for eight long years, we have done everything possible to resolve the situation by peaceful, political means. All was in vain.


“As I said in my previous address, one cannot look at what is happening there without compassion. It is simply not possible to stand all this any more. It is necessary to immediately stop this nightmare – the genocide against the millions of people living there, who rely only on Russia, only on us. These aspirations, feelings, pain of people are the main motivation for us to take the decision to recognise the people’s republics of Donbas.


“What I think is important to emphasise further is that the leading NATO countries, in order to achieve their own goals, support extreme nationalists and Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, who, in turn, will never forgive the Crimeans and Sevastopol residents for choosing reunification with Russia.


“They, of course, will crawl into the Crimea, just like in the Donbas, in order to kill, just as the gangs of Ukrainian nationalists, Hitler’s accomplices, killed defenceless people during the Great Patriotic War. They openly lay claim to a number of other Russian territories.


“The course of events and the incoming information show that Russia’s clash with these forces is inevitable. It is only a matter of time: they are getting ready, they are waiting for the right time. Now they also claim to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not allow this to happen.”

“We have been left no other option to protect Russia and our people, but for the one that we will be forced to use today. The situation requires us to take decisive and immediate action. The people’s republics of Donbas turned to Russia with a request for help.


“In this regard, in accordance with Article 51 of Part 7 of the UN Charter, with the approval of the Federation Council of Russia and in pursuance of the treaties of friendship and mutual assistance ratified by the Duma on February 22 with the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Luhansk People’s Republic, I decided to launch a special military operation.


“Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to abuse and genocide by the regime in Kyiv for eight years. And for this we will pursue the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine, as well as bringing to justice those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation.


“Our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we hear that recently in the West there is talk that the documents signed by the Soviet totalitarian regime, securing the outcome of World War II, should no longer be upheld. Well, what is the answer to this?


“The outcome of World War II, as well as the sacrifices made by our people on the altar of victory over Nazism, are sacred. But this does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms, based on the realities that have developed today in the decades following war. It also does not cancel the right of nations to self-determination, enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.”


“In this regard, I appeal to the citizens of Ukraine. In 2014, Russia was obliged to protect the residents of Crimea and Sevastopol from those whom you, yourself call “Nazis”. Crimeans and Sevastopol residents made their choice to be with their historical homeland, with Russia, and we supported this. I repeat, we simply could not do otherwise.


“What is happening today does not come out of a desire to infringe on the interests of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. It is related to the protection of Russia itself from those who took Ukraine hostage and are trying to use it against our country and its people.”

“I also need to address the military personnel of the Ukrainian armed forces.


“Dear comrades! Your fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazis and defend our common Motherland, so that today’s Neo-Nazis can seize power in Ukraine. You took an oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people, and not to the anti-national junta that plunders Ukraine and abuses its people.


“Don’t follow its criminal orders. I urge you to lay down your weapons immediately and go home. I want to make clear that all servicemen of the Ukrainian army who do so will be able to freely leave the combat zone and return to their families.


“Once again, I emphasise, all responsibility for possible bloodshed will lay on the conscience of the ruling regime in Ukraine.


“Now a few important, very important words for those who may be tempted to intervene in the ongoing events. Whoever tries to hinder us, or threaten our country or our people, should know that Russia’s response will be immediate and will lead you to consequences that you have never faced in your history. We are ready for any turn of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made. I hope that I will be heard.”


“Dear compatriots!

“I am confident that the soldiers and officers of the Russian Armed Forces devoted to their country will professionally and courageously fulfil their duty. I have no doubt that all levels of government, the experts responsible for the stability of our economy, financial system and social sphere, the heads of our companies and all Russian business will act in a coordinated and efficient manner. I count on a patriotic consensus position of all parliamentary parties and public forces.

“As it has always been the case in our history, the fate of Russia is in the reliable hands of our multinational people. And this means that the decisions made will be implemented, the goals set will be achieved, the security of our Motherland will be reliably guaranteed.

“I believe in your support, in that invincible strength that our love for the Fatherland gives us.”

Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts


Harrow, Kenneth

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salimonu, i am more and more convinced the issue of weapons and nato was an excuse for putin to retake ukraine--not to pacify the region or the world. just the opposite.
if i lived in latvia and lithuania, i would be scared.
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If Latvia and Lithuania are part of NATO, they alone should not be scared. 
NATO is doing the right thing at this time by not getting directly involved in the fight in Ukraine- offering only tough talk, tough sanctions and supply of weapons. 
Anything more-say no fly zone-will signal the beginning of a next phase of the war-initiated by NATO. 
I don’t buy the crazy Putin part of the analysis by the West. 

On the other hand, if Putin attacks Latvia or Lithuania, then and again it will signal that same next phase of the war-initiated by Russia.

If this next phase arrives, ignited either by NATO or Russia, then, everyone should be scared.

Ogedi 

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Salimonu Kadiri

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​Kenneth, we cannot close our eyes to past history if we honestly want to understand current crisis in Ukraine. After the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945, U.S.A. and European powers decided to hammer the final nails into the coffin of Nazism. Thus, on August 8, 1945, an agreement instituting an international military tribunal to try German Nazis was signed in London. Signatories to that agreement were, A. N. Traini and I. T. Nikitenko (Soviet Union); Lord Jowitt (Great Britain); Robert Jackson (USA) and Robert Falco (France). The trial that began on 20 November 1945 was presided over by the following judges : I. T. Nikitenko and A. F. Volchko (Soviet Union), Lord Justice William Norman Birkett and Lord Justice Geoffrey Lawrence (Great Britain); Francis Biddle and John J. Parker (USA);  and Donndieu de Vabres and Robert Falco (France). The four-power prosecutors were Roman Rudenko (Soviet Union), Robert Jackson, a member of Supreme Court (USA), Sir Hartly Shawcross, Attorney General of Great Britain, and Francois de Menthon, member of the French Government who was replaced in January 1946 by Auguste Champetier de Ribes. On pronouncing death and life imprisonment sentences on the Nazis, on October 1, 1946, it was believed that the racist world divided into the colonizers and colonized, masters and slaves, exploiters and exploited as well as the rich and the impoverished had become history. Power would thenceforth would arise from mutual approval and not from the barrels of the gun. The majority colonized world got it wrong.

What happened next was the formation of NATO military alliance, in 1949, comprising of major countries in western Europe under the leadership of USA.  The main purpose of NATO was to supress all agitations for independence in the colonies. It was not until six years later, 1955, that the Soviet Union founded the Communist Warsaw military alliance comprising of countries from eastern Europe. From then on, every agitation for sovereignty and better living condition in the colonies was branded communist or socialist and was brutally crushed by NATO alliance. Then in 1990, Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbatjov became President of the Soviet Union and he introduced what the Russians called, GLASNOST, meaning openness, as well as economic reform called, PERESTROJKA, which was to give market mechanism increased roll to play within the framework of socialism. On foreign policy, Gorbatjov advocated for peaceful coexistence among nations and on the basis of that, he collaborated with the USA on disarmament agreements which in practice meant giving up Soviet claim to hegemony in Eastern Europe. He caused the unification of Eastern and Western Germany in 1990, and the dissolution of Wasaw military alliance in 1991. Michail Sergeevich Gorbatjov was awarded Nobel Peace Prize in 1990 but the US and NATO regarded his disarmament and peaceful co-existence policy as the defeat of Communism and WASAW military alliance. If NATO military alliance had been dissolved simultaneously with WASAW, instead of expanding to encircle Russia, the present leaders in Russia would not have felt that Gorbatjov's peaceful coexistence policy was betrayed by the US and Western Europe. Any country bordering Russia that permits NATO and the US to place nuclear missiles in her territory and directed at Russia must regard Russia as her enemy. Since there is United Nations, there is no need for NATO. I disbelieve lions when they claim to be protecting the freedom of gazzels against leopards. And to borrow your expression, I can't understand why a nose picker should complain about another nose picker. By the way, why can't Biden invite Russia to join NATO for peaceful economic, and not military development of the world?
S. Kadiri   

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hi salimonu, i never heard of nato involved in the anti-independence struggles in africa.
france, yes; portugal yes; u.k. yes, they were to big powers, but nato?
as for the communist parties, generally i agree with you, but not always. stalin shifted position; and in the end left or right proved pretty similar. it was power that matter. consider guinea bissau for instance.
my own proclivities were and are to lean left, to support leftist parties, but i don't want to shut my eyes to their abuses.
even the anc, which was sacred in the struggle, turned to torture at one point, which sorely hurt to hear. we shouldn't expect perfection. and solidarity means accepting imperfectionin one's partners in stuggle
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dear salimonu, i suppose another way to say it is, yes, we need to take into account history, what happened in the past that bears on us in the present...
but "whose" history, "which" history... how you or i or others understand the history to be, again, a shifting sand of different account with different perspectives.
historians say "science," but scientists argue too over "truth."
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Unavoidable food for thought from Salimonu

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​Kenneth, it is acceptable to argue over what the truth is historically but it is also reasonable to agree about what is true in history. You and I may agree that Adolf Hitler of Germany started World War II, but may disagree over why he started it. While you may think he started it to annihilate the Jews I, as an African, may be convinced that he started it in order to reclaim colonies in Africa that Germany lost at the end of World War I, following the Treaty of Versailles imposed on her.

From African perspective, I will infer that by the middle of 1935 Hitler had formed active colonial policy in Berlin of which its mouthpiece was General Franz Ritter von Epp. The German Colonial Society and the Reich Colonial League were set up under Adolf Hitler and a school for Colonial officials was also established. Consequently, the German Prime Minister, Herman Goering, on 30 October 1936 declared at a public rally thus, "In these four years we Germans have tried to work to feed our people, although we have no colonies. Although raw materials are lacking, in spite of everything, Germany has become a land of peace ... You know my dear fellow-countrymen, and the Fuhrer said this at Nuremberg, that in spite of all the increased security of our food supplies, not all our food requirements can be met in Germany, whatever efforts we make. In Germany there are 136 people to the square kilometre. In England there are 137 people to the square kilometre. For these 137 people to the square kilometre England owns a third of the world as colonies, and we own nothing!  If we had a fraction of these colonies, then we should have no need to talk of shortage of raw materials and lack of foodstuffs. We have no colonies, because they have been stolen from us (p.16-17, The Nazi Conspiracy by Emile Burns)" 
Further in the German's Reichstag (Parliament) on 20 February 1938, Chancellor Adolf Hitler wailed thus, "Our economic position is a difficult one, not because National-Socialism is at the helm, but because 140 people must live on a square kilometre; because we are not in possession of those great, natural resources enjoyed by other people; because, above all, we have a scarcity of fertile soil. If Great Britain should suddenly dissolve today and England become dependent solely on her territory, then the people there would perhaps have more understanding of the seriousness of economic tasks which confront us. ... No matter what we may achieve by increasing the German production, all this cannot remove the impossible nature of the space allotted to Germany. The claim for German colonial possessions will, therefore, be voiced from year to year with increasing vigour, possessions which ..... are virtually indispensable for our own people (p.63, Peace With The Dictators by Sir Norman Angell)." So, no matter how we may twist our words the fact remains that Hitler started World War II to regain lost colonial possessions in Africa, in 1919. By the way, from which historical perspective shall we judge The TIMES magazine when it declared Adolf Hitler Man of the Year in 1938?
S. Kadiri  

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​Hello Kenneth, after World War II, the European colonialists wanted to continue their total control of their colonial possessions despite the US demand for influence that was proportional to her military might after the war. While World War II was still raging in Europe in 1941, and France had completely been occupied by Germany, the Prime Minister of Britain, Winston S. Churchill, complained against the U.S. attitude towards British possession of colonies at the Atlantic Charter meeting with the U.S. President, Franklin D. Roosevelt. The son of Franklin D. Roosevelt recorded the complaint thus, "Mr. President, I believe you are trying to do away with the British Empire. Every idea you entertain about the structure of the post-war world demonstrates it. But in spite of that, we know that you constitute our only hope. And you know that we know it. You know that we know that without America the (British) Empire won't stand." (Elliot Roosevelt, in his book Titled, As I Saw It). In the same book President Roosevelt had asked his son if the U.S. should allow the short-sighted greed of the French, British and the Dutch to continue. Elliott quoted his father saying, "When we've won the war I will work with all my might and main to see to it that the United States is not wheedled into the position of accepting any plan that will further France's imperialistic ambitions or that will aid or abet the British Empire in its imperial ambition." In October 1942, the American magazine, Life, published an article that suggested that Great Britain should better decide to part with her colonies because the United States was not prepared to fight to make her keep it. Responding on November 10, 1942, Prime Minister Winston Churchill said, "I have not become the King's First Minister in order to preside over the liquidation of the British Empire." Three months after the trial of the Nazis had begun in Nuremberg, the British Foreign Minister in the labour government, Ernest Bevin, declared in the House of Commons on February 1946, "I am not prepared to sacrifice the British Empire because I know that if the British Empire fell .... it would mean the standard of life of our constituents (Britain) would fall considerably.

What the U.S. had demanded was to replace colonial rulers with indigenous people that would continue to adminiter the economic exploitation of the colonies by the capitalist West under the leadership of the United States. Britain and France refused to accept the U.S. plan. In Vietnam France tasted defeat in 1954 and in 1956, Britain and France tasted defeat when the U.S. abstained from joining their war to seize Suez canal in Egypt. Thereafter, Britain and France accepted the leadership of the U.S. in world affairs, while Portugal held colonies in Africa in trust for the U.S. In practice and realty, the U.S. is NATO and NATO is U.S. Without the U.S. there is no NATO. Portugal, a member of NATO, could not have been able to fight against Angola, Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau without the support of NATO. NATO mudered Patrice Lumuba of the Congo and Qadhafi of Libya. Finally, I want to konow from you the difference between the Monroe Doctrine promulgated by the American fifth President, James Monroe in 1823, which is still in operation and the sphere of influnce Putin is trying to creat around Russia now. Do you think NATO military alliance was justified to exist and expand after Gorbatjov and Jelsin dissolution of WASAW military alliance?
S. Kadiri 

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hi salimonu,
i am not an historian. but like any elderly person who has lived through this period and can read, the events you describe are more or less known to me--to us.
you make some leaps i disagree with. some minor points i would somewhat challenge, which i will do for fun. it is fine with me to disagree with others when it doesn't turn into personal attacks, which i find something i can't tolerate. you offer disagreements in a manner that enables us to continue.
i would not agree that the u.s. is nato. if you will let me say that, then your whole email turns on the question, what was the u.s. position vis a vis africa, and there we are relatively close.
some areas i don't know at all
some i feel i've read about , which maybe you haven;t.

the account of how eisenhauer forced the british to abandon their seizure of the suez canal after nassar took it is fascinating. it wasn't a matter of convincing, but of shutting off all economic, monetary flows to britain. britain was forced immediately to back down.
as for the u.s. or whoever financing portugal, to continue its wars, i've not seen anything about that, and would want a convincing source. it'd find it strange.
it is true the u.s. position after world war 2 was to end colonialism. although the french resisted mightily in algeria, and committed atrocities there and madagascar, it is still my impression that britain and france had lost the heart to stymy african independence movements by the 1950s. they actually worked with africans to open the path to independence, were not routed and thrown out. their population was not anxious to keep the empire by then. how that happened exactly i do not know. but salimonu, more importantly, i would be more convinced in a discussion about this that acknowledged that there were pro-empire and anti-empire parties in european capitals that played a real role in the outcomes.

the u.s. took a public position against colonialism continuing after the war. i believed it represented u.s. policy, from fdr on, until i read about ike's actual support for the european colonial enterprise, despite the public rhetoric. they said one thing, did another.
the american economic investment in africa was negligible and i believe french and british interests were dominant.

but there was another side to it, which is where you and i might be in perfect agreement. after wwii, the americans and the colonialists were anti-communist, ultimately to the point of fanatically anticommunist. that meant, for instance, that the pro-indepedence nationalist parties, like the unc in cameroon, were especial targets of repression. it was really brutal in cameroon, with the french and ahidjo committed crimes against humanity in the west of the country, and creating a climate of fear that persisted down till the time i first came to yaounde 1977-79. the prisons, torture, and repression were notorious, and it all stemmed from the repression of ruben um nyoye and his comrades.
the only place i know where the communists or leftists managed to continue in a liberation coalition was south africa, though other countries had been western and switched, obviously, like ethiopia. mostly leftist regimes like lumumba or cabral or sankora were ended with assassinations. some involved the u.s, or belgium, or france. britain did its bit in using torture and killing in kenya.... all had dirty hands.

the west remained in that mode of anticommunism which =ed antiliberation, until it became irrelevant, which is the case now. consider the difference between china, say, in its initial investments in africa as supporting liberation regimes, and now, buying up the continent.
oh, we started with nato. frankly, i don't see the point, once we turn our attention to the u.s. and its role.
ken

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correction (hate doing this)
meant to say UPC in cameroon, not unc.
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