Trump, Russia and a Racist Theory
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Toyin Falola
Jul 16, 2018, 10:30:43 PM7/16/18
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A theory for discussion:
My theory is that another reason for Trump’s affinity for Putin and Russia may be because he sees both as strong representations of a white nation, unlike the Western Europeans whose nations, as Trump sees things, have been ravaged and sullied by immigrants. You need only look at the composition of the English, French and German soccer teams to understand that way of thinking.
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My theory is that another reason for Trump’s affinity for Putin and Russia may be because he sees both as strong representations of a white nation, unlike the Western Europeans whose nations, as Trump sees things, have been ravaged and sullied by immigrants. You need only look at the composition of the English, French and German soccer teams to understand that way of thinking.
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Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM
Jul 17, 2018, 2:02:35 AM7/17/18
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I am rather of the opinion that Trump needs Russia to fight the multi faceted efforts of the American political establishment(who, by the way, see him as an outsider)to render his electoral mandate illegitimate by the inference that the intervention of Russia in that election made his victory possible.
Despite the indictments, Trump insisted on raising the issue with Putin (as if Putin can ever admit) and when Putin denied, he believed him.
Trump knows that if the American political establishment succeed in pushing through, the Russia meddling argument, that his place in history would be endangered.
By constantly running to Russia (knowing that Russia would always deny the meddling allegation), Trump hopes to render the 2016 election meddling by Russia inference incredible.
CAO.
Despite the indictments, Trump insisted on raising the issue with Putin (as if Putin can ever admit) and when Putin denied, he believed him.
Trump knows that if the American political establishment succeed in pushing through, the Russia meddling argument, that his place in history would be endangered.
By constantly running to Russia (knowing that Russia would always deny the meddling allegation), Trump hopes to render the 2016 election meddling by Russia inference incredible.
CAO.
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Jul 17, 2018, 2:03:16 AM7/17/18
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Shola Adenekan
Jul 17, 2018, 5:50:49 AM7/17/18
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According to Prof Stephen Small (UCLA Berkeley), who gave a presentation in my class three weeks ago, there are only 7 million people of African descent in Europe out of a population of 770 million (excluding Turkey). If you add other non-Caucasian , there are probably about 20 million non-white people in Europe, which is less than the population of Black people in the US alone. So, what you see in the French, Belgian and English national teams does not represent the reality on the ground.
The problem is that the mainstream media are not pushing the reality and instead let politicians like Trump get away with this false notion that Europe is full of immigrants.
I actually think the reason Trump is so willing to humiliate his own country is because Putin has something on him. I know that Stephen Colbert and Trevor Noah have been pushing this theory, but this goes beyond comedy. I think this is real.
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> My theory is that another reason for Trump’s affinity for Putin and Russia may be because he sees both as strong representations of a white nation, unlike the Western Europeans whose nations, as Trump sees things, have been ravaged and sullied by immigrants. You need only look at the composition of the English, French and German soccer teams to understand that way of thinking.
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Adeshina Afolayan
Jul 17, 2018, 5:51:01 AM7/17/18
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I am minded to take Oga Chidi's side in this theorizing. I think it is a flight of fancy to really think Trump is so intellectually savvy to generate a white nationalist ideology on which an "America First" slogan can ride. I think he is just muddling through the terrible intricacies of national and global politics, badmouthing and loud-mouthing all and everything off the cuff, and riding on the silly and racist whitelash of white nationalist fervor in America and Europe. I couldn't imagine the silly siding with Putin yesterday. In fact, it seems to me that Putin will have a huge belly laugh behind the high walls of the Kremlin after Trump had left. And he would think, what a silly dumpling this guy is! Trump is actually caught in a web, and he is grasping at straws to save his head.
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> My theory is that another reason for Trump’s affinity for Putin and Russia may be because he sees both as strong representations of a white nation, unlike the Western Europeans whose nations, as Trump sees things, have been ravaged and sullied by immigrants. You need only look at the composition of the English, French and German soccer teams to understand that way of thinking.
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> My theory is that another reason for Trump’s affinity for Putin and Russia may be because he sees both as strong representations of a white nation, unlike the Western Europeans whose nations, as Trump sees things, have been ravaged and sullied by immigrants. You need only look at the composition of the English, French and German soccer teams to understand that way of thinking.
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Jul 17, 2018, 6:00:53 AM7/17/18
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Dear Professor Falola,
As far as racial theory goes, I'm afraid that you are right about this one. The antecedents are a few hundred years old. It's a matter of standard racial conciousness going back to before the arrival of the White Founding Fathers. As Malcolm X the African nationalist put it, " we did not land on Plymouth Rock, the Rock was landed on us."
With reference to the US - Russia axis I recall Khalid al Mansour quoting Nixon's letter to Brezhnev, in which Nixon is alleged to have said, " Why don't we get together and FKK the yellow man, the Chinese? After all we are white !"
It looks like paradoxes will never cease. It was Nixon who "opened up China" when he sent his emissary Richrd Holbrooke there and now a few decades later Trump has just kickstarted a trade war with China perhaps with the end game aim of making America Great Again
Abdalqdir al Murabitun once said that the USA and the USSR were founded on very similar principles and in what is now the near future , will eventually get together. Improbable as that may sound just now, time will tell...
As far as racial theory goes, I'm afraid that you are right about this one. The antecedents are a few hundred years old. It's a matter of standard racial conciousness going back to before the arrival of the White Founding Fathers. As Malcolm X the African nationalist put it, " we did not land on Plymouth Rock, the Rock was landed on us."
With reference to the US - Russia axis I recall Khalid al Mansour quoting Nixon's letter to Brezhnev, in which Nixon is alleged to have said, " Why don't we get together and FKK the yellow man, the Chinese? After all we are white !"
It looks like paradoxes will never cease. It was Nixon who "opened up China" when he sent his emissary Richrd Holbrooke there and now a few decades later Trump has just kickstarted a trade war with China perhaps with the end game aim of making America Great Again
Abdalqdir al Murabitun once said that the USA and the USSR were founded on very similar principles and in what is now the near future , will eventually get together. Improbable as that may sound just now, time will tell...
Cornelius Hamelberg
Jul 17, 2018, 6:35:37 AM7/17/18
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From where did Professor Small get such very small fantasy figures? At least 20 million of African descent would be a little closer to the mark. In Sweden alone the very accurate figure is 300,000 and the birth rates are getting more and more phenomenal...
At the NATO SUMMIT you heard Trump grumbling very loudly to Germany's Angela Merkel that she is too dependent on Russian gas, etc...
Trump has also slapped some stiff import duties on European exports to the US and it looks like more and more (NATO nothwitstanding) Europe is increasing business ties with China.
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At the NATO SUMMIT you heard Trump grumbling very loudly to Germany's Angela Merkel that she is too dependent on Russian gas, etc...
Trump has also slapped some stiff import duties on European exports to the US and it looks like more and more (NATO nothwitstanding) Europe is increasing business ties with China.
Harley Davidson motorcycles are now becoming prohibitively expensive so some buddies are looking to the Suzuki Intruder (Japanese
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That theory may not be far from the truth: Here comes Trump to the UK. Sadiq Khan London's Mayor and Boris Johnson have both savaged his take on immigration and could not stand meeting him ( in fact you could attribute Johnson's timing of his exit as
Foreign Secretary to the visit by Trump) yet Trump shortly before arrival savages Khan ( a Moslem) in the hope that he resigns in disgust at meeting Trump or is fired
To mollify Boris Johnson Trump on arrival says he thinks Johnson will make a good Prime Minister having said on the eve of his arrival ( in covert sexist tone) that it is up to the British public what they do with Theresa May whose ministers desert over
disagreements on Brexit. In other words he prefers to deal with a male PM who knows how to deal with immigration ( note the low esteem he has for Germany's Angela Merkel on the same issue but not outspokenly for the male European leaders who are not hardliners
on immigration. I.e.female leaders are too soft on immigration because of their feminine nature so should not be elected into office. Only among male leaders could macho men be found who would unflinchingly stand up for their country on matters of immigration.
Note too that the First Minister of his Scottish retreat where he idled at his golf course ( and where there were waves of protests against him) is now a woman.
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More info Here is a long shot: If that theory were credible, would DP not also gravitate towards China, which is even more racially monolithic, and although not white in the sight of the whole world, our friend could perceive China as white since it is not black.
That seems like a joke.
As an alternative, less conspiracy theory narrative, could it be that the less-popular, less-intellectual, less-politically savvy, less-healthy-looking, less-smart T finds solace in having P, with all those attributes he (T) lacks and more, be on his side
than face him in an all-out cold (or hot) war rather than face the imminent possibility of losing?
Either way, it's a scenario for a selfish individual willing to sell and/or betray his own people just to avoid humiliation and/or save face.
My thinking . . .
Michael
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A theory for discussion:
My theory is that another reason for Trump’s affinity for Putin and Russia may be because he sees both as strong representations of a white nation, unlike the Western Europeans whose nations, as Trump sees things, have been ravaged and sullied by immigrants. You need only look at the composition of the English, French and German soccer teams to understand that way of thinking.
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My theory is that another reason for Trump’s affinity for Putin and Russia may be because he sees both as strong representations of a white nation, unlike the Western Europeans whose nations, as Trump sees things, have been ravaged and sullied by immigrants. You need only look at the composition of the English, French and German soccer teams to understand that way of thinking.
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When Putin first came to power and started in a modest way this Trump- mania no one thought he would last more than one term in office with it (in a way this may be why Trump was conceived in the imagination of the architects of American realpolitiks.)
but who would ever have thought anyone could out-Putin Putin.
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More info I am minded to take Oga Chidi's side in this theorizing. I think it is a flight of fancy to really think Trump is so intellectually savvy to generate a white nationalist ideology on which an "America First" slogan can ride. I think he is just muddling
through the terrible intricacies of national and global politics, badmouthing and loud-mouthing all and everything off the cuff, and riding on the silly and racist whitelash of white nationalist fervor in America and Europe. I couldn't imagine the silly siding
with Putin yesterday. In fact, it seems to me that Putin will have a huge belly laugh behind the high walls of the Kremlin after Trump had left. And he would think, what a silly dumpling this guy is! Trump is actually caught in a web, and he is grasping at
straws to save his head.
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> A theory for discussion:
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> My theory is that another reason for Trump’s affinity for Putin and Russia may be because he sees both as strong representations of a white nation, unlike the Western Europeans whose nations, as Trump sees things, have been ravaged and sullied by immigrants. You need only look at the composition of the English, French and German soccer teams to understand that way of thinking.
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You are thinking too hard about Trump. I agree with Adeshina and Chid that there are less sinister motives for Trump's behavior. Or are they more sinister?
Trump is a rich White unfully-formed adult who episodically toyed with the idea of President, became komproatized along the way by the Russians who encouraged him to give the Presidency a try, that they might assist without any assurance of success - and they did successfully - and now he has an expensive toy that he believes he can play with anyhow. I don't believe that he has been sufficiently intellectually curious to develop a racist theory on a global political scale - like say Hitler.
Yesterday's performance at Helsinki was his final undoing, I think. It was Max Boot, a CNN commentator, who said that what makes Trump different from any other American presudent is the doubt of his loyalty to the USA, his MAGA slogan nothwithstsnding, his egotistical, almost maniacal focus on self. He is The Muskovite Candidate, akin to Manchurian, and neither he or Putin could hide it yesterday. In their secret one-on-one meeting, they must have scripted their joint performance - and it was scary.
The next days, weeks and months in the USA will be interesting.
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I am minded to take Oga Chidi's side in this theorizing. I think it is a flight of fancy to really think Trump is so intellectually savvy to generate a white nationalist ideology on which an "America First" slogan can ride. I think he is just muddling through the terrible intricacies of national and global politics, badmouthing and loud-mouthing all and everything off the cuff, and riding on the silly and racist whitelash of white nationalist fervor in America and Europe. I couldn't imagine the silly siding with Putin yesterday. In fact, it seems to me that Putin will have a huge belly laugh behind the high walls of the Kremlin after Trump had left. And he would think, what a silly dumpling this guy is! Trump is actually caught in a web, and he is grasping at straws to save his head.Adeshina Afolayan, PhD
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Toyin Falola
Jul 17, 2018, 10:46:07 AM7/17/18
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In a normal political climate, his party should stab him at the back by using the ongoing investigation to impeach him and replace him with his VP.
However, if it is true that his 40 percent remains behind him, it is better to let him serve his term.
In life, we always have to deal with an alawoku—half normal/half sane.
Trump is not normal.
I am less than five years to retirement and I am for ever conscious not to tarnish my reputation. I don’t even talk anymore for fear of saying something stupid. But this Trump is unconscious and bipolar.
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Mobolaji Aluko
Jul 17, 2018, 11:12:01 AM7/17/18
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Does this Professor like us have two heads?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Bolaji Aluko
Professor who predicted Trump's win now certain he will be impeached within a year
Allan Lichtman says the President will be gone by the spring of 2018
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American University Professor Allan Lichtman predicted a Trump win in September 2016 – long before most Americans considered it a possibility. But his prediction came with a hedge: the Republican president would also be impeached.
Now, Mr Lichtman writes in an essay for TIME, the Mr Trump is closer to impeachment than ever.
“A Russian sword of Damocles is hanging over this American president by the slenderest of threads,” Mr Lichtman writes. “When this sword falls even Republicans, as in the Nixon case, will likely be compelled to begin impeachment proceedings.”
In fact, Mr Lichtman told the Daily Star, the impeachment will likely come in the spring of 2018.
The reason for this, Mr Lichtman claims, lies with the indictments recently handed down by special counsel Robert Mueller.
Mr Trump claims he was nonplussed by the indictment of his former campaign manager and the plea deal signed by one of his campaign staffers – “I’m not under investigation, as you know,” he told the New York Times – but Mr Lichtman says he should be concerned.
“Already, Mueller’s filing in federal court of just partial information from his plea deal with [former campaign staffer George] Papadopoulos, contains stunning new revelations,” Mr Lichtman writes.
Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
Jul 18, 2018, 2:14:24 PM7/18/18
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Trump's father was allegedly a white robed Klansman.
The son probably thought he would carry on the father's legacy. His racism popped up rather early. Remember the four African Americans wrongly accused for a murder in Central park and Trump's automatic, racialized, unfounded accusations? Then there are the several cases where Black people were excluded from rental of his property.
The Birther controversy against Obama is well known. We have witnessed recently racist statements from him. His aim is to terminate policies such as affirmative action and keep out non-white immigrants from the US. That is what the callous separation of families aims at. Note his complaint against Britain and Germany- especially Merkel's open-door policy.
He is no Hitler. He is a twitter writer- short, impulsive and lite. He has not written a Mein Kampf but America First is his caption and substitute for such a work.
We are still trying to understand the Putin-Trump connection but recall that Putin is quite happy to ally with the ultra-Right nationalists- maybe for political strategy. Recall the French election and his support of Marine Le Pen. Trump has the same inclination. This kind of stuff binds them together. I don't know about hidden tapes and/or undercover money. Icing on the cake? Time will tell.
Joefred Uwaelue
Oct 1, 2019, 12:47:13 AM10/1/19
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This theory is interesting because it would give insight into reasons behind Trump’s anti immigrant stance. He is on record of asking why immigrants from minority countries come to the United States. Then said he wanted the immigrants from white countries to come. Seeing that Russia also has a strong white nationalist background, it could be why Trump has been the most lenient president with Russia in recent times. Despite his contact denial, Trump does have white supremacist ideals, so Trump’s affinity with Putin and Russia could very well be for those reasons.
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