Opinion | Israel Needs a Biden Peace Plan ( Between Realistic, Humane Politics and Selfish Polltics in Way Forward Beyond War in Israeli/Palestinian Crisis)

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Oluwatoyin Adepoju

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Nov 22, 2023, 4:02:38 PM11/22/23
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Dr. Oohay

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Nov 22, 2023, 6:59:01 PM11/22/23
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The chronically anemic 2-states solution lies in intensive care unit with no resuscitation possibility.




On Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 3:02 PM, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovde...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Oluwatoyin Adepoju

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Nov 23, 2023, 7:23:09 AM11/23/23
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It appears everyone is being compelled to agree that it's the only way forward.

The US is insisting.

The other Western powers are insisting.

The Arab and Asian countries are insisting.

Almost the entire world is mobilized in insisting through protests by the generality of people.

The only people who seem to think the most significant goal is crushing Hamas and further Palestinian containment are Netanyahu, the more hawkish members of his cabinet and fellow hawkish Israelis and hawkish Jews outside Israel.

I suspect, though, that those unrealistic orientations will not prevail.

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Harrow, Kenneth

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Nov 23, 2023, 8:59:13 AM11/23/23
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It occurs to me that the israeli hostage situation has a nigerian parallel. Chibok.
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Moses Ochonu

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Nov 23, 2023, 10:55:19 AM11/23/23
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But “crushing Hamas,” whatever that really means, and there are several interpretations of it, is not incompatible with the two-state peace plan.

The same US and EU you stated as supporting the two-state solution also endorse “crushing Hamas,” that is, removing the group from the political equation as a governing or viable political faction, not obliterating them as an entity, which is impossible.

Even Arab countries are secretly backing the “crushing of Hamas” proposition as a necessary prelude to pursuing a two-state solution.

They all seem convinced, and with good reasons, that Hamas, a proxy of Iran and the product of an Islamist movement they do not trust as an honest, good-faith party, cannot be persuaded to embrace a two-state solution that recognizes Israel’s right to exist on roughly the pre-1967 borders.

In other words, they’re convinced that Hamas will never accept peace with Israel because it would destroy their raison d’être and render them irrelevant politically. 

I think they’re also convinced that even if the Hamas leadership could be persuaded to move away from the group’s commitment to Israel’s destruction and embrace a two-state solution, Iran, their main backer, would not allow them to go through with that choice.

This is the reason there’s now not only a consensus as you said on the two-state solution but also on the belief that Hamas cannot be part of that process.

The problem is that the Netanyahu right wing rulers of Israel are only committed to the crushing of Hamas. Unlike the Arab countries, US, and the EU, they don’t see the crushing of Hamas as a prelude or gateway to a two-state peace process. They seem to have other ambitions which do not include a two-state configuration.

The challenge is now how to convince them to come to the EU/US/Arab consensus or, failing that, to hope for a leadership change in Israel towards the moderates and center left who will be more willing to embrace a two-state solution as the best chance for long-term peace for both the Israeli and Palestinian peoples.



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Oluwatoyin Adepoju

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Nov 23, 2023, 5:56:11 PM11/23/23
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Interesting. I thought crushing meant  destruction in every sense

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The same US and EU you stated as supporting the two-state solution also endorse “crushing Hamas,” that is, removing the group from the political equation as a governing or viable political faction, not obliterating them as an entity, which is impossible.
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