Website version 2.

[fabchris2010]

Here is another suggestion to the website,first submitted by Mr.Ateefac.There is a lot to be done but thought recommendation will be better before I continue.

 

It has a fairly good implementation in Mozilla firefox 27.0.1 and Google chrome.There is some image problem with Internet explorer but hope to fix them soon.

 

I have not loaded it using a smartphone or a tablet,so do comment if it is not responsive on this gadgets.

 

I appreciate any feedback and help on the same.

 

Thanks.

John Mburu.

[Rafael Victor]

Chris this looks great.

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[Sean Brady]

That draft looks excellent.

Just a reminder, W3C standards that the filename of very first page should always be 'index.html'

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[fabchris2010]

Hey

Rafael,thanks for the encouragement.

Sean,thanks for pointing out that.I will work on it.

Regards,

[Ateafac S. F]

Hi John,

This is encouraging, just keep on.

-Ateafac

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[Joan Advincula]

Hi all,

It seems I'm the only one here with a disadvantaged screen if the draft looks excellent in yours. But at least that gives us an idea on how it looks in lesser devices.

I've already sent in my comments in a different thread.

I'm looking forward to the next version.

Best,
Joan Advincula
UoPeople Student Ambassador
@iamMJae

[Christopher Mburu]

Dear All,

Thanks members for the feedback.

Ms.Joan,your concern are noted and will see what I can do.I will also in the next release,include a CSS for both mobile and tablet.

But this may take sometime,may be in one month time.Hope members will be patient enough.

I will also encourage members,if you see any area you can improve,please do.This need to be collaborative,any suggestion,criticism or even a rejection of any part or whole code,is much welcome.

Lets aspire to build a website that we will be proud of.

Thanks.

John Mburu.

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[Ashiru Ali]

Hi all,

I appreciate all your work peers, however I earlier noted that we should use a CMS to come up with all that has been conceived reasons of which are:

• Non-technical contributors can edit pages and expand a site’s content: no knowledge of HTML is required.
• A separation is maintained between a website’s content, its structure and its visual design; a change in one of these can be done independently of the others. A complete visual re-design of a whole site can be done without touching the site’s content or its structure.
• When new content is added, its visual appearance conforms to the design already established for the sort of content being added.
• When pages are added or deleted, the site’s menus are updated automatically.
• Updates to the site can be made at any time by anyone with the correct permissions.
• Requirements for image sizes can be gracefully enforced.
• Best practice with regard to search engines can be gracefully enforced (page titles, meaningful URLs, correct metadata, etc).
• Changes made to the content of a website can be automatically posted to major search engines.

and so many more..

No I have mentioned that I have a veteran experience with the drupal CMS, and am sure there are like minds amongst us, so all we really need to get stated is the visual look of the site, just like the attached PDF file if it is unanimously agreed on, and will turn it to a full content managed websites and than assign roles to do various updates from being able to add a blog post to adding a menu item etc.

I am not contributing in this graphics state because, graphics design isn't my strongest point in the process of web development.

Thanks once again for the efforts put in..

Great UOPeopleACM!!!

 

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[Joan Advincula]

Hi all,

I agree that a CMS always work well but I think drupal would be too big for the purposes of our website.

I've checked out other ACM SC websites and they don't do much on content. Unless, we plan to make a substantial amount of content. In which case, what?

But I'm thinking our website code should be put somewhere online, like github. What do you guys think?

Best,
Joan Advincula
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[Sean Brady]

"What do you guys think?"

What I was thinking was an informative website with separate forum module.

That way people could be informed about what they needed to be then discuss with other members on the forums if necessary.

Regards,

Sean.

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Ali,

The current stable version of drupal is 6.x and the latest is 7.x and only 3.5MB of size. I don't see what you mean by it being too big and we need a remote server if we have to think about drupal. However, you are right but we are only managing with the little resources we have as of know.

Remember we made a survey and agreed on what we should have for our website and everything was sorted. So, we moved beyond that level already, content is not a problem. This is a resume of website: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/10-Lo8Gid9sFJ5R9x3Vo7GQJZ-QqE8d_tHzRBOmsWZCM/edit

Github is a different world and has nothing to do with building a  website. Github is versioning tool for applications and also a platform for community work on a project [open source] If you want your project to be joinly developed, take it to Github. Also, to be a github member is not free, payable.

I think you have very good advanced ideas but I wish that you can think of a project that we can jointly develop and maybe carry it to Github someday.

Best,

-Ateafac

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[Sean Brady]

In reference to the response by Ateafac and Ali's posting,

Basically, the best course of action I see for the website currently is get it working and get it out there.

While that temporary solution is being developed there is no reason why a more refined and modifiable open source project can be developed by others for future migration and future purposes.

Regards,

Sean.

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Sean,

Use this site plan https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/10-Lo8Gid9sFJ5R9x3Vo7GQJZ-QqE8d_tHzRBOmsWZCM/edit

If you feel we should not implement all the pages right now but in a later time, that's ok.Select the pages you can develop.  Go ahead with the Forum, and other pages.

Please, Please, read other threads and follow the discussion as many of these are already in discussion.

We still require that you tell us about the webserver you are proposing, we all need to agree before you go ahead and start developing the website on it.

Thanks,

-Ateafac

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[Sean Brady]

I will add this to both email listing that asked the same question.

Frankly, the servers available to us for free will have limited features and security.

I have not even researched any of them yet as I have been busy since the last posting.

I have done this before. A website is only secure as the security and coding measures put in place and this is a progressive thing. Maintenance is 80% of any software project and continuous.

If you want the best you ain't getting it without paying the server providers, security specialists, etc...

Of all the options out there, they change annually. Change is something that will have to handled everytime it comes up.

This is only temporary remember not final.

"We still require that you tell us about the webserver you are proposing, we all need to agree before you go ahead and start developing the website on it."

If someone knows a server supporting PHP and mySQL that suits then please suggest.

I will sourcing it throughout the day and get back to you.

Regards,

Sean.

 

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[Ashiru Ali]

Hi all

Owing to the fact we definitely need to implement on our ideas with a CMS; I have worked with the most popular ones over the years and have found drupal to be the most robust and flexible, it can be used to build any kind of site from from a mere blog site to the an advanced eCommerce not to mention it is 100% open sources.

About we all getting involved, with drupal anybody; no matter the technical proficiency can be involved, I really do not see a better option.

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[Sean Brady]

Combining the other email listing
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"I do not think we need a blade server for our purpose, a simple server with php and mysql would suffice. I have some domains I can create sub-domain and ftp accounts from, for testing."

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Other domain for testing great. Said nothing about server. Blade server is going too far.

Also regarding CMS, the website can implemented with or without using CMS. CMS create a tremendous amount of excessive code making a awkward for modifying and extending or even maintaining/repair.

Regards,

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[Sean Brady]

"Said nothing about server"

[Sean Brady]

Sorry editing response segment ---  "Said nothing about blade server"

[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Ali,

Your ideas are great and I value them. Why not check with Sean and see how you guys can complement each other and engineer something great for us.

This list has emails for everyone: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlmEembFNBHWdEFjbllTRGpMRFp3RTQ0a1hxV3A4U2c&usp=sharing#gid=0

-Ateafac

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[Sean Brady]

Ali and Ateafac,

If Ali wants to the webmaster I have no problem stepping aside.

Ali would you prefer to implement and organise the project?

Whatever suits everyone.

Regards,

Sean.

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[Ashiru Ali]

Hi Sean, That means you have not properly used a CMS in the past, because on the contrary it allows for minimal code and code re-useability not to talk of their best security practices.

see this http://blog.moveableonline.com/2013/10/29/7-advantages-using-cms-run-site/ and read about advantages of using a cms.

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[Sean Brady]

I am not a web development specialist and never stated such a thing.

Go ahead and take the project as I have other things to do.

You are obviously better prepared and experienced for the project.

Regards,

Sean.

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[Ashiru Ali]

Hi Sean!
I do not think I like your tone, remember! we are just brainstorming here, No offenses meant!! plus this is team work not individual. I am sure everyone has one thing or the other to do but we are taking time out of our busy schedule to do this in the spirit of a community.

so please, with all due respect keep your emotions in check brother, I was only making a suggestion.

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[Sean Brady]

I am no longer the webmaster.

Goodbye.

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Sean,

@ I am no longer the webmaster

If my memory is right, this is the second time you are quiting on us. The third even if we should consider the facebook interaction on the first few days.

One thing you have not grasped yet is teamwork spirit. The ability to collaborate with fellow others. Can you sight an example of any huge successful development in computer science that is single handedly developed. Take from Microsoft, to facebook, google to twitter, etc.

You can't quit, you are our webmaster and we want you to learn from here, the spirit of collaboration. Ali is a fellow colleague and I can bet you that he knows not even a fraction of your best skills and vice versa and what he knows best, you can't beat him on that.
Ali's turn will come to be the webmaster untill then, we must continue to benefit from his skills.

We need to complement each other and when fame or recognition is jointly achieved, it is even sweeter than individually achieved fame because it does good to many others than a single person.

A webmaster is just a title that gives you the responsibility to make sure a website is built and maintained. The way it is done doesn't matter, whether you actually wrote the code or your colleague borrowed the code to you, the end result matters whether the site is built or not.

You are the webmaster and if Ali has a better idea, tell him to share and in the process you'll learn and also our work will be done.The credits will go to you and to  Ali as well and some day you'll also be on the opposite side and siist Ali.

I am calling on you guys to show maturity and civilization. Lets put ego aside and put our know-how to work. Cool temparenment is what we need and respect for others. I expect you guys to shake hands and allow us benefit from your skills. Thanks.

If I should quote myself here "Building is hard and rebuilding is even harder but much much easier to break everything down"

Ateafac

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[Sean Brady]

"You can't quit, you are our webmaster and we want you to learn from here, the spirit of collaboration"

Yes I can, goodbye.

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Sean,

I respect your decision and hope you at least stay in the group even as you have declined the post.

Best to you,

Ateafac

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[Sean Brady]

I respect the decision and involvement of all groups members.

I appreciate the understanding, time and patience given.

I will stay in the group but not posting if you so wish.

Take care to everybody.

I wish all members striving for success all the best in the present and future.

Regards,

Sean.

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[Joan Advincula]

Oh, come on, guys. We're only just starting and we ended up with such a conversation already.

It's not a good thing. And neither is losing any single contributor.

Anyway, I was gonna +1 Sean's thoughts. The website that we need can be built without any CMS. But, I guess, that's off of everything now since the discussion has blown over.

I don't have the slightest bit of experience with drupal but I've read a bit about it. When I said it was too big, I meant that thers are features in it that we probably won't be needing. Ever.

Github is free. And, contrary to what have been posted here, it can be used for most any projects. Not just large software. A website can be uploaded there so all contributors can see the progresd of the project and contribute accordingly.

But... We must now make peace and move on.

So, Ashiru, how soon do you think you can have the website and the forums set up? Also, please coordinate your efforts with John Mburu.

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[Ashiru Ali]

As soon as I get an agreed upon design, I can deliver in 3 days.

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Ali,

We would have to stick to ethics and good conduct and some amount of coordination too. You need to fill the role of a webmaster before taking up the website project. You start by responding to other thrreads in the forum,  contribute in the forum and brainstorm with us. Everyone here is capable of building a website so show some concern for the group and not only for the website.

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[Christopher Mburu]

Hi Ali,

Thanks for volunteering to take the post of webmaster.If you need any portion of the draft I have created,you can always use it.Else,you see it fit to start from scratch no problem.

Am ready to help where needed if it is possible.

Regards,

John Mburu.

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[Christopher Mburu]

Hi Sean,

I never thought it could end up like this.I was prepared to work with you and provide any support while creating the forums and other infrastructures.

I know in cases where 2 people are willing to fill a post,most of the time one of them steps down.

But am not sure whether the group has decided to work with drupal.Mr.Ali has indicated he is ready to work with drupal but no indication whether he can adapt and use some thing else.

We really need you expertise,whether you will be building or advising us it doesn't matter.We will really appreciate if you remain as our webmaster,as we ponder the next step on the website;whether drupal or the drafts we have.

But I do respect your stand.If that is the best for the group,well and good.I hope to see you more and more.

Regards,

John.

[Ashiru Ali]

Hi John!

I am sure Mr Ali and Adapt with other technologies if everyone is convinced it suites our purpose better than the proposed framework.

I have work with a lot of web technologies and frameworks and have found drupal to suite our purpose better than anyone else..

so it is on us all to deliberate (just like we are doing already) and decide on what to use..

As a rule of thumb in the world of web development NEVER RE-INVENT THE WHEEL

maybe I should share this article with those of us interested in web development.
 
http://tutorialzine.com/2014/02/10-signs-that-you-are-an-awesome-web-developer/

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[Ashiru Ali]

Hi John!

I am sure Mr Ali and Adapt with other technologies if everyone is convinced it suites our purpose better than the proposed framework.

I have work with a lot of web technologies and frameworks and have found drupal to suite our purpose better than anyone else..

so it is on us all to deliberate (just like we are doing already) and decide on what to use..

As a rule of thumb in the world of web development NEVER RE-INVENT THE WHEEL

maybe I should share this article with those of us interested in web development.
 
http://tutorialzine.com/2014/02/10-signs-that-you-are-an-awesome-web-developer/

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