Ellen DeGeneres is 'Notoriously One of the Meanest People in Hollywood,' Comedian Claims

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Steve Timko

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I don't have any way to corroborate any of the stories provided in the article, but a college friend of mine left a secure (albeit stressful) job at Today and moved across the country to be a producer on "Ellen". She lasted several years there, but she confided in me at one point that she felt more stress working for Ellen than she ever did at Today. (The irony was that she also had an offer to work for Tyra, but turned it down because of...you guessed it...Tyra's reputation.)

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I’ve never heard of cheatsheet (dot) com... are they reliable, or are they just TMZ?

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I read TMZ a couple of times a week and they are usually accurate.

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More knocks against Degeneres.

Former Employees Say Ellen’s “Be Kind” Talk Show Mantra Masks A Toxic Work Culture

Ellen DeGeneres has built her worldwide, multimillion-dollar brand on the motto “be kind,” with lavish giveaways and acts of charity. But behind the scenes, current and former employees on her leading daytime show say they faced racism, fear, and intimidation.

“That ‘be kind’ bullshit only happens when the cameras are on. It’s all for show,” one former employee told BuzzFeed News. “I know they give money to people and help them out, but it’s for show.”

Mark Jeffries

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The thing that sticks out here is that Ed Glavin, one of her producers (who could be the showrunner) is a Grade A asshole (allegedly).  Back in the 90s, when he was based in Chicago running "The Jenny Jones Show" for Warners' Telepictures unit with his wife Debby (who seems to be out of television), he turned a mild Oprah knockoff into a sleazefest matched only by Jerry Springer downstairs at the NBC Tower.  The one Jones taping I attended had him snarling in front of the audience, especially Jones, who had a deer-in-the-headlights look all throughout and looked like she'd rather be doing standup anytime anywhere.

And the amazing thing is that despite his assholeness, Glavin has been turning out one show after another for Telepictures, being lucky enough to be aboard the Ellen gravy train.  His ultimate accomplishment?  "Ellen's Game of Games," where seemingly-moronic contestants are instructed to beg and plead to the celebrity MC not to administer the punishment for missing the easy question--even if contestants must meet eligibility requirements and are furnished with complete rules that state that if you can't answer the question Ellen is going to dunk you in the vat of mac and cheese.  What a guy.

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BuzzFeed gets results... WarnerMedia launching investigation... show execs: "we need to do better..."

More knocks against Degeneres.

Former Employees Say Ellen’s “Be Kind” Talk Show Mantra Masks A Toxic Work Culture

Ellen DeGeneres has built her worldwide, multimillion-dollar brand on the motto “be kind,” with lavish giveaways and acts of charity. But behind the scenes, current and former employees on her leading daytime show say they faced racism, fear, and intimidation.

“That ‘be kind’ bullshit only happens when the cameras are on. It’s all for show,” one former employee told BuzzFeed News. “I know they give money to people and help them out, but it’s for show.”



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More allegations against"Ellen" producers. Kevin Leman is the primary offender.

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>And when you've lost Brad Garrett and Lea Thompson, you've lost America.

 

…and/or when you’ve gained Scooter Braun – the music mogul who, some say, “stole” Taylor Swift’s musical back catalog.

https://twitter.com/scooterbraun/status/1289232400837308417

 

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The only Scooter I respect is made of felt.

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The rumors are that James Corden could be tapped to replace Ellen.

Here's one nasty tweet that suggests he is as bad as Ellen.
 

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The rumors are that James Corden could be tapped to replace Ellen.

Here's one nasty tweet that suggests he is as bad as Ellen.
 

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>And when you've lost Brad Garrett and Lea Thompson, you've lost America.

 

…and/or when you’ve gained Scooter Braun – the music mogul who, some say, “stole” Taylor Swift’s musical back catalog.

https://twitter.com/scooterbraun/status/1289232400837308417

 

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Of all the late night folk, British Jimmy's show seems closest to Ellen's already. 

On the off chance that Ellen's program goes away, I can see them trying this, if only because new daytime talk shows seem to hit big every once in a blue moon over here.  Bringing over a host from another show would be an attempt to capitalize on an existing audience.

This is a reach, but given that we have a UK readership, I'll ask.  Is it possible Mr. Corden jumped the pond because he's worn out his welcome or otherwise hit his ceiling in the UK?  I know he's done a week of shows every summer or so back in London, and had other projects in the UK since starting on Late Late, so I suspect it's not true.

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On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:40 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

This is a reach, but given that we have a UK readership, I'll ask.  Is it possible Mr. Corden jumped the pond because he's worn out his welcome or otherwise hit his ceiling in the UK?  I know he's done a week of shows every summer or so back in London, and had other projects in the UK since starting on Late Late, so I suspect it's not true.

I don't really think this is true. There was a period starting from around 2009 when he was everywhere. The sitcom he created with Ruth Jones, Gavin and Stacey, had blown up. He became the regular Brit Awards presenter (i.e. British Grammy Awards). He did a charity sketch with David Beckham and the England football team in character. And he was winning awards for One Man, Two Guvnors, including a Tony. So he was a bit omnipresent, and could have stepped back a little, but that's about it. 

Of course we don't have nightly talk shows, so I don't think he ever really wore out UK audiences. Indeed, when he brought back Gavin and Stacey for a one-off Christmas special it got the biggest audience of the day (11m) and was one of the biggest audiences of the year.

He's had a continued presence presenting Sky One's 'A League of Their Own' - although he doesn't do that show so much these days because of his US commitments. I think he realised that when he was on a two week hiatus in the US, it's probably not always a good idea to come back and record a dozen of those.

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Here's one nasty tweet that suggests he is as bad as Ellen.

I'm not going to defend someone I don't know, but these don't feel like enormous outrages - just sometimes slightly diva-ish behaviour (or insert an alternative d- word in there). These certainly aren't remotely the same as the reports coming out of the Ellen show. 


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Everything you want to know about this topic, thanks to Emily Yahr: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2020/08/03/ellen-degeneres-show-reputation/

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Yeah, I was going to mention yesterday that the question about Ellen herself being mean or nice off camera to staff or guests is, writhing fairly broad limits, pretty irrelevant. I have never seen an entire episode of her talk show, but have seen one or two extended portions years ago when she had someone on I was interested in (was it Letterman? Or maybe Obama).

I did not realize until recently that being nice was her particular thing, so maybe it’s a little more relevant than for most talk show hosts. Still, if she is like most human beings she is nice to some people, mean to others, nice some days, mean on others.

More to the point is the working environment she provides for her employees. Sexual or racial harassment. Unfair, unsafe or hostile climates, have nothing to do with being nice (whatever nice means). Interpersonally nice people can create hostilities environments, mean people can have appropriate work environments. Seems like that is where the focus should be,

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To quote Dave Barry, "A person who is nice to you, but not the waiter, is not a nice person."

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I agree with Barry, but not sure what that means about being a Talk Show host. I doubt Carson would score very high on the nice scale.

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:54 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Barry, but not sure what that means about being a Talk Show host. I doubt Carson would score very high on the nice scale.

Sadly I never met Carson. Leno was nice, but had the attention span of a ferret on cocaine, which made him socially awkward (it is probably insensitive to suggest that he is “on the spectrum,” but I wouldn’t rule it out). Howie Mandel was a genuinely nice and funny guy, especially considering the hell Paramount put him through trying to turn him into Rosie O’Donnell. Greg Kinnear was aloof, often hiding behind corners rather than face even a single coworker in the hallway. Conan O’Brien was very friendly, but when I briefly worked with him he was very... not sure the right words... nervous? Skiddish? Uncomfortable in his own skin? Jerry Lewis had no time for anyone, as if we were all somehow hindering the telethon, and he’d be much better off doing it all himself. Richard Simmons was off camera exactly as he was on camera... enough said. Geraldo Rivera was barely aware that anyone else existed... and was only tangentially aware he was hosting   one show, let alone two. Dick Cavett was a consummate gentleman and storyteller. Al Roker was hands down the most genial host ever. Daisy Fuentes did not have a thought... not one. And then there’s Tom Snyder, whom I consider a mentor, although I do know he was not easy to work for. 

This concludes my personal assessment of the hosts I worked for, not counting award or variety show hosts. Thank you for your time. Good night; drive safely on the way home.
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I would expect a person to be nice to someone regardless of their rank in life. I don't give a damn if Katy Perry thinks Ellen is "nice". I think the Dakota Johnson story is absolutely damning: Ellen is nice in public, but absolutely not in private.

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Well I’m not sure if I expect people to be nice to everyone; probably more people are mean rather than nice to everyone regardless of their rank in life. 

But again, my point is that being mean is merely unpleasant, while creating a hostile work environment is illegal. So, that’s probably more important than whether or not Ellen is nice.

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Well I’m not sure if I expect people to be nice to everyone; probably more people are mean rather than nice to everyone regardless of their rank in life. 

But again, my point is that being mean is merely unpleasant, while creating a hostile work environment is illegal. So, that’s probably more important than whether or not Ellen is nice.

There are various issues being tied together in this story and there are various approaches. Whether Ellen is nice or not is celebrity gossip. The sexual nature of the harassment allegations is somewhat lurid and can get tabloid style coverage. Speculation about Ellen getting the boot imminently and speculating on a replacement is also tabloid. The allegations of a toxic workplace environment are straight news and should be the center of the story which is what Buzzfeed has done.

When the story broke I wondered if an internal investigation by Warner Media was really going to try to assess the situation or if it was going to cover up any wrongdoing to keep the show running. If the latter then an external investigation should be demanded. The way the story is developing it seems that Warner isn't trying to make the story go away and nobody from the show (or their attorney) is yelling that the allegations are baseless and the matter needs to be dropped.

Seventeen years is a hell of a run for a talk show host. After Carson and Letterman we have somehow decided that 30 years is the minimum standard but that is a real outlier. Ellen isn't entitled to a 30 year run as talk show host and letting her step aside or asking her to step aside doesn't erase her accomplishment.

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Jay Leno weighs in... she’s given money, so she’s nice


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What is the definition of nice? Letterman was legendarily ornery to work with. Most of his staff found out several major announcements when he made them taping the show, and not before.
But Letterman is also the guy who paid the salaries of World Wide Pants staff (but not CBS employees who worked on the show) when the show wasn't airing for some reason. A strike? I can't remember. That, to me, sounds like nice.

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:13 PM Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the definition of nice? Letterman was legendarily ornery to work with. Most of his staff found out several major announcements when he made them taping the show, and not before.
But Letterman is also the guy who paid the salaries of World Wide Pants staff (but not CBS employees who worked on the show) when the show wasn't airing for some reason. A strike? I can't remember. That, to me, sounds like nice.

He was also the guy who had an affair with his intern, whom he gave preferential treatment, creating an undoubtedly awkward office dynamic, for which he probably would be fired in 2020


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Jay Leno weighs in... she’s given money, so she’s nice


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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:14 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I’m not sure if I expect people to be nice to everyone; probably more people are mean rather than nice to everyone regardless of their rank in life. 

But again, my point is that being mean is merely unpleasant, while creating a hostile work environment is illegal. So, that’s probably more important than whether or not Ellen is nice.

There are various issues being tied together in this story and there are various approaches. Whether Ellen is nice or not is celebrity gossip. The sexual nature of the harassment allegations is somewhat lurid and can get tabloid style coverage. Speculation about Ellen getting the boot imminently and speculating on a replacement is also tabloid. The allegations of a toxic workplace environment are straight news and should be the center of the story which is what Buzzfeed has done.

When the story broke I wondered if an internal investigation by Warner Media was really going to try to assess the situation or if it was going to cover up any wrongdoing to keep the show running. If the latter then an external investigation should be demanded. The way the story is developing it seems that Warner isn't trying to make the story go away and nobody from the show (or their attorney) is yelling that the allegations are baseless and the matter needs to be dropped.

Seventeen years is a hell of a run for a talk show host. After Carson and Letterman we have somehow decided that 30 years is the minimum standard but that is a real outlier. Ellen isn't entitled to a 30 year run as talk show host and letting her step aside or asking her to step aside doesn't erase her accomplishment.

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:31 PM Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:13 PM Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the definition of nice? Letterman was legendarily ornery to work with. Most of his staff found out several major announcements when he made them taping the show, and not before.
But Letterman is also the guy who paid the salaries of World Wide Pants staff (but not CBS employees who worked on the show) when the show wasn't airing for some reason. A strike? I can't remember. That, to me, sounds like nice.

He was also the guy who had an affair with his intern, whom he gave preferential treatment, creating an undoubtedly awkward office dynamic, for which he probably would be fired in 2020

Stephanie Birkett was not an intern. She was a full-time Late Show staffer, who, in contrast to bimbos, got her law degree going to night school.


 

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:38 PM Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:


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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:13 PM Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the definition of nice? Letterman was legendarily ornery to work with. Most of his staff found out several major announcements when he made them taping the show, and not before.
But Letterman is also the guy who paid the salaries of World Wide Pants staff (but not CBS employees who worked on the show) when the show wasn't airing for some reason. A strike? I can't remember. That, to me, sounds like nice.

He was also the guy who had an affair with his intern, whom he gave preferential treatment, creating an undoubtedly awkward office dynamic, for which he probably would be fired in 2020

Stephanie Birkett was not an intern. She was a full-time Late Show staffer, who, in contrast to bimbos, got her law degree going to night school.
 
I forgot she was a full time staff member. Never said she was a bimbo. Doesn’t make what Letterman did any better. Having worked on several shows where the guy in charge was boinking a coworker, it is ten different types of wrong, and it makes for a bad work environment. Letterman was never punished for it by Moonves (gee, wonder why not?). 


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Paul Murray

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Not trying to weigh in on Ellen's guilt or innocence -- although I have opinions about her in general, they're not particularly relevant here -- but I just have to comment on the absurdity of the celebrities saying that, essentially, "she's always been nice around me." 

Well, duh.

It's not how you treat your date or your boss that's telling, it's how you treat people that you have power over, even if only for a few minutes.

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So, Tom is articulating clearly what I have been struggling to say. Ellen may or may not be nice to staff and lower tier celebrities, if that is all this were about the story could be safely ignored. But the charges about hostile workplace are serious, and could potentially mean the end of the show, and maybe even civil or criminal charges. Is there evidence that Ellen knew, or should have known, about this kind of misconduct, and did nothing? Is there evidence that she somehow participated in it? These seem to be the questions worthy of attention, and not which celebrities were big enough to get their ass kissed by Ellen and which were not.



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There are various issues being tied together in this story and there are various approaches. Whether Ellen is nice or not is celebrity gossip. The sexual nature of the harassment allegations is somewhat lurid and can get tabloid style coverage. Speculation about Ellen getting the boot imminently and speculating on a replacement is also tabloid. The allegations of a toxic workplace environment are straight news and should be the center of the story which is what Buzzfeed has done. (Snip)

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Ellen tries to set the record straight on a full-staff Zoom call monitored by THR... but Ed Glavin, Kevin Leman and Jonathan Norman are out as execs... Mary Connelly and Andy Lassner remain, and DJ tWitch promoted to co-exec...

BuzzFeed gets results... WarnerMedia launching investigation... show execs: "we need to do better..."



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Meanwhile, a conservative columnist for the Arizona Republic claims that DeGeneres was the victim of a liberal fatwa because she dared sit next to and speak to Dubya--and his proof is that Brad Garrett, one of those who criticized her, told a right-leaning standup that his politics meant he would never work at Garrett's club at the MGM Grand in Vegas:


First of all, the place has Garrett's name on it.  If he doesn't someone working at his club, that's his prerogative.  Second, Jesus Christ.  I'm surprised the columnist didn't call her a credit to her lifestyle choice.

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More from that Monday Zoom call: staffers will receive additional paid days off and improved medical leave, and an additional HR executive was assigned by WarnerMedia to the set to hear complaints confidentially...


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Steve Timko

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Sep 6, 2020, 7:56:03 PM9/6/20
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My local CBS affiliate announced today that it is dropping the "Ellen" show and going with "Judge Judy."

I don't think these decisions can be made at the last minute, can they? I would think they would lock down the contracts back in April or May.
And what does it mean that "Judge Judy" is going away and "Judy Justice" is coming next year?
This is kind of curious. This would mean the local Sinclair station would get "Ellen." Or maybe the show would go to a UHF channel.

David Bruggeman

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It's not uncommon for switches like this to happen around Labor Day weekend/early September as that has traditionally been the 'beginning' of the new daytime season.

Now, independent of the recent troubles, why it makes sense to switch from Ellen to The People's Court is unclear.  Maybe it's cheaper for the station?

David

Mark Jeffries

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Sep 7, 2020, 8:19:46 AM9/7/20
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The link says that "People's Court" is replacing Ellen.  Same syndicator and this show seems that it'll be on forever.

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Steve Timko

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Sep 7, 2020, 10:42:45 AM9/7/20
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Geez, I missed that. I assumed it was Judge Judy. They are replacing the nation's No. 2 afternoon show with an also ran.

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Bob Jersey

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Sep 8, 2020, 9:13:26 PM9/8/20
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New season premiere Sept 21st... "and yes, we’re gonna talk about it,” she said in a statement, seemingly referring to the accusations... they're back to the lot, crowdless of course... tWitch is slated for several sub-host days...
More from that Monday Zoom call: staffers will receive additional paid days off and improved medical leave, and an additional HR executive was assigned by WarnerMedia to the set to hear complaints confidentially...




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Mark Jeffries

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Sep 9, 2020, 5:18:32 PM9/9/20
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And with "Ellen's Game of Games" scheduled to begin its fourth season in October, they can't present the charade that the contestants are picked from the audience (when they also run a plug for "casting")--and will they end the coaching to have the contestants act like screaming ninnies begging for Ellen not to drop them through the floor or pour the gunge on them, even though they know that's how the games end?  One can only hope.

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Steve Timko

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Sep 9, 2020, 6:47:06 PM9/9/20
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On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:55 PM Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
My local CBS affiliate announced today that it is dropping the "Ellen" show and going with "Judge Judy."

So the CBS affiliate went with "People's Court." I wrongly said "Judge Judy."
The Sinclair station picked up "Ellen," something I didn't think would happen. I guess money trumps politics. They have "Ellen" from 3 p.m. to 4 p.m., their first newscast at 4 p.m., "Judge Judy" at 4:30 p.m. and then their main evening newscast at 5 p.m. So they have both "Ellen" and "Judge Judy," the two monsters of afternoon syndication. They may be due to their news ratings collapsing either last year or earlier this year. 

Bob Jersey

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Sep 21, 2020, 10:27:40 AM9/21/20
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Aaaaaand she did... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egn3CuQRHW8 (link)

Moi, September 8th:
New season premiere Sept 21st... "and yes, we’re gonna talk about it,” she said in a statement, seemingly referring to the accusations... they're back to the lot, crowdless of course... tWitch is slated for several sub-host days...


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M-D November

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Sep 21, 2020, 1:23:55 PM9/21/20
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Do we know for a fact that this new season of EGOG is actually *new* (as opposed to being reallocated from a previous season, as was the case with much of the most recent season of "Hollywood Game Night")? NBC's promos don't seem to suggest it will run audience-less, although they may have been running old footage to avoid spoilers.

M-D November

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Sep 21, 2020, 1:25:27 PM9/21/20
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Not sure the WWE Thunderdome approach works for a traditional studio audience...
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