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Joe Hass

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Aug 19, 2020, 9:41:20 PM8/19/20
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In an unbelievable hot mic moment, Thom Brennan (who also does games on the Fox mothership) proceeded to drop the f-slur moments before reading a promo on Fox Sports Ohio in the first game of a double header, only to be pulled in the middle of game two.

As I would openly say, "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?"

Joe Hass

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Aug 20, 2020, 8:09:29 PM8/20/20
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Bob Jersey

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Aug 21, 2020, 1:26:01 PM8/21/20
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He was @Buck's backup when the MLB playoffs got down to brass tacks... and I still think the original comment was about someone within the Fox org.

Joe Hass, to himself, Thurs. (8/20):


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Jim Ellwanger

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Aug 21, 2020, 1:59:53 PM8/21/20
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Not sure what you're referring to with "original comment was about someone within the Fox org" -- the comment he was suspended/fired for was pretty clearly referring to a place.

Also, in his capacity as a broadcaster for the Reds, he's employed by the team (which is a common arrangement for local broadcasters), and their broadcast outlet Fox Sports Ohio no longer has a connection to Fox beyond licensing the name. Current owner Sinclair is supposed to change the name of all of the "Fox Sports" regional sports networks at some point, in the same way that Disney recently dropped the Fox name from everything.


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Doug Fields

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Aug 21, 2020, 2:42:39 PM8/21/20
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I'm also not sure what that line is referring to, but I'm even more curious to know why that would matter, even if it were correct?  The phrase used was offensive on its face, regardless of who (or where) it was referring to.  So how would confirming who (or where) was being discussed be germane to whether or not Brennaman's suspension was deserved?

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Bob Jersey

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Aug 21, 2020, 7:21:19 PM8/21/20
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Because if it was an actual place... a town? a business?... as opposed to, say, the Sinclair and/or Fox organizations, in which case they've obviously made their decisions, people in that place / business, since his words are now in the public sphere, could want to confront him as well. Also, as with other cases we've discussed here, we can't presume the line was just a spontaneous utterance, but was a response to something we didn't hear, from where or whom we might never know.

I'm not saying "exonerate him," but "find out who he responded to and bring them into the case."  (Do I blame police procedurals for this? Maybe.)

Doug Fields, to Jim Ellwanger, today (8/21):
I'm also not sure what that line is referring to, but I'm even more curious to know why that would matter, even if it were correct?  The phrase used was offensive on its face, regardless of who (or where) it was referring to.  So how would confirming who (or where) was being discussed be germane to whether or not Brennaman's suspension was deserved?



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Bob Jersey

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Aug 26, 2020, 10:54:34 AM8/26/20
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Kevin Kugler (Westwood One radio lead PBP) will fill in.


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Joe Hass

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Aug 26, 2020, 1:18:39 PM8/26/20
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A guy. I'm shocked, I tell you.

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Tom Wolper

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Aug 27, 2020, 10:54:12 AM8/27/20
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:18 PM Joe Hass <hassg...@gmail.com> wrote:
A guy. I'm shocked, I tell you.

Looking at the grief Joe Buck continually gets, this is so high profile that Fox is wise to bring in an experienced PBP caller and not try to train a new person on the job. For NHL playoff games (though not this year) NBC Sports brought in AJ Mleczko from the US womens' hockey team to be a color commentator. She hasn't done a brilliant job out of the gate but given air time and more experience with a network crew she'll do okay. And the NHL needs her with the hits they've had to take recently from Jeremy Roenick and Mike Milbury.

Fox doesn't have the luxury of time with national NFL game broadcasts. If there's a woman doing play by play for a Power 5 college right now, which I doubt, maybe Fox could take a chance. I've heard Kugler do games on the radio and he will do fine.

Joe Hass

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Aug 27, 2020, 11:07:49 AM8/27/20
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I got two names for you: Andrea Kramer and Hannah Storm. Both were adequate given the limitations of calling from a studio and without true control of the broadcast.  Yes, there are negotiations required. But the argument that no one's qualified always begs the question "How *do* you get qualified?"

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PGage

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Aug 27, 2020, 2:04:03 PM8/27/20
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Given the NFL’s regressive and reactionary history with BLM, it’s risky and irresponsible approach to a season during a pandemic, and the continuing presence among its ownership of a monster like Snyder (see, for example WaPo story linked below in Cheerleaders being asked to make Jews videos for Snyder’s private pleasure), one might think Fox would welcome a woman doing PbP, even if she were as mediocre as half their current staff.


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Kevin M.

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Aug 27, 2020, 2:48:32 PM8/27/20
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:04 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
Given the NFL’s regressive and reactionary history with BLM, it’s risky and irresponsible approach to a season during a pandemic, and the continuing presence among its ownership of a monster like Snyder (see, for example WaPo story linked below in Cheerleaders being asked to make Jews videos for Snyder’s private pleasure), one might think Fox would welcome a woman doing PbP, even if she were as mediocre as half their current staff.

Hell, they let Dennis Miller announce the games for a year, so the bar is clearly not set very high 


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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:18 PM Joe Hass <hassg...@gmail.com> wrote:
A guy. I'm shocked, I tell you.

Looking at the grief Joe Buck continually gets, this is so high profile that Fox is wise to bring in an experienced PBP caller and not try to train a new person on the job. For NHL playoff games (though not this year) NBC Sports brought in AJ Mleczko from the US womens' hockey team to be a color commentator. She hasn't done a brilliant job out of the gate but given air time and more experience with a network crew she'll do okay. And the NHL needs her with the hits they've had to take recently from Jeremy Roenick and Mike Milbury.

Fox doesn't have the luxury of time with national NFL game broadcasts. If there's a woman doing play by play for a Power 5 college right now, which I doubt, maybe Fox could take a chance. I've heard Kugler do games on the radio and he will do fine.








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Aug 28, 2020, 6:46:19 AM8/28/20
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> I got two names for you: Andrea Kramer and Hannah Storm.

Both of whom work for other networks.

> But the argument that no one's qualified always begs the
> question "How *do* you get qualified?"

Doing local broadcasts, be they major college football (as Tom suggested) or NFL preseason games. I don't know how many women are in that pipeline, but that's where the network play-by-play broadcasters come from.

> being asked to make Jews videos for
> Snyder’s private pleasure

This is a typo, but I can't figure out what the word's supposed to be. (And, in a different environment, there would be people who wouldn't accept that it's a typo.)

PGage

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Aug 28, 2020, 9:27:45 AM8/28/20
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The “typo” referred to below is mine. I do apologize for this, As for all my many spelling mistakes on this list over the years. This is not strictly a typographical error, in the sense of hitting wrong keys, but a failure to notice and repair an auto correct. The burden to fix it was mine of course, though I think it would be relatively easy to figure out the intended word from reading the linked article (“lewd” videos, the word lewd lifted from the article).

I in turn am not sure in what context such a mistake would not only be assumed to be anti-Semitic, but not believed to be anything but even when explained. Is there a perception here that I have pre-dispositions in that direction? 



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being asked to make Jews videos for
> Snyder’s private pleasure 


This is a typo, but I can't figure out what the word's supposed to be. (And, in a different environment, there would be people who wouldn't accept that it's a typo.
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Tom Wolper

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Aug 28, 2020, 12:41:59 PM8/28/20
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 9:27 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:


The “typo” referred to below is mine. I do apologize for this, As for all my many spelling mistakes on this list over the years. This is not strictly a typographical error, in the sense of hitting wrong keys, but a failure to notice and repair an auto correct. The burden to fix it was mine of course, though I think it would be relatively easy to figure out the intended word from reading the linked article (“lewd” videos, the word lewd lifted from the article).

I in turn am not sure in what context such a mistake would not only be assumed to be anti-Semitic, but not believed to be anything but even when explained. Is there a perception here that I have pre-dispositions in that direction?

In today's world typos are a result of autocorrect rather hitting the wrong key. Especially hitting the wrong key leads to a misspelling and autocorrect leads to a completely different word.

As a Jewish person I couldn't have pulled out any hostile intent from the posted sentence. But over the years I have been in conversations where somebody apologizes to me before I realized what he said could be taken as antisemitic. It's just not always clear.

John Edwards

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Aug 28, 2020, 2:34:41 PM8/28/20
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The funny thing to me is that Daniel Snyder is so weird that the sentence as typed would have been believable, and probably not the weirdest thing to come out of DontCallItRedskins Park in the last couple of months.

John

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Joe Hass

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Aug 29, 2020, 7:51:14 AM8/29/20
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Anyone else remember a thread around here about a week or two ago that I swore up and down was absolutely an autocorrect issue and a few people refused to believe that autocorrect would do that?

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PGage

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Aug 29, 2020, 12:11:14 PM8/29/20
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I did not remember that thread. Did I post that I would not believe it was a typo? That would be surprising to me, both because I make so many typos of various kinds myself, and typically extend as much grace as possible, knowing how much I am in need of, and because I don’t remember the thread, but I suppose anything is possible - it’s been a chaotic month.

Still not quite seeing the application To my post though. My typo was “Jews”, which is not after all a derogatory word, though of course could be intended in a derogatory way depending on context. But not sure how anything about the context of what I wrote could be honestly interpreted as making a derogatory comment about Jewish people. The sentence as written is not derogatory as much as meaningless, unless readers thought I was criticizing Snyder for pressuring cheerleaders into making lewd videos on JSwipe.

Joe Hass

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Aug 29, 2020, 12:36:49 PM8/29/20
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Sorry, no: I was not implying you, PG. I was bringing back to mind that other people on that thread assumed that autocorrect or mistyping could never create such a error.

I am kicking myself that I didn't make that clearer. Apologies.

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John Edwards

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Aug 29, 2020, 2:35:12 PM8/29/20
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I seem to recall there being something about a Sacramento Kings announcer who tweeted the N-word and said he meant to type “Nuggets”. 

John 

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JW

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Aug 29, 2020, 6:50:13 PM8/29/20
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> I in turn am not sure in what context such a
> mistake would not only be assumed to be
> anti-Semitic, but not believed to be anything
> but even when explained. Is there a perception
> here that I have pre-dispositions in that
> direction?

I did a lousy job of making my point, for which I apologize. To clarify:

- If I'd thought PGage's post wasn't a typo and represented some sort of predisposition, I'd have said so, or at least asked directly off-list.

- If the typo had been off by one letter, I'd have figured it out. But, even knowing about the Washington story, I didn't get to 'lewd,' which is indeed an appropriate description.

- The thread that Joe referenced (that I'd forgotten about) is a broader example of what I was trying to say. It's much too easy to imagine autocorrect making something that the writer didn't intend. To bring it full circle, that's different than Brennaman saying what he said.

JW

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I came across the CBS announcer lineup for this NFL season, and Beth Mowins will be calling play-by-play with Tiki Barber as her color man.
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