California sets date for Gov. recall election

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Bob Jersey

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Jul 1, 2021, 7:07:37 PM7/1/21
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Sept 14th.


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Kevin M.

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Jul 1, 2021, 7:32:13 PM7/1/21
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Biggest waste of California taxpayer money that doesn’t include the word Olympics 

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PGage

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Jul 1, 2021, 8:35:27 PM7/1/21
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I still lived in SoCal in 1984. I hated Peter Ueberroth, but those Olympics were run very well, avoided most of the threatened traffic problems, utilized almost exclusively existing venues, and made a profit of more than $200 million. I don't think it was a waste of CA taxpayer money,

The Recall is a huge waste of money.

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Kevin M.

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Jul 1, 2021, 8:42:14 PM7/1/21
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My family visited San Clemente in 84 and saw the illegal detention camp where law enforcement kidnapped and moved the homeless (and other “undesirables”). It soured me on the entire Olympics. People deserve better treatment than to be locked away from public view at a time when the whole world is watching. That entire game was a black mark on California. As the future Olympics will be, since the lessons of the past are never learned here.

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PGage

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Jul 1, 2021, 10:57:09 PM7/1/21
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I actually worked for a Homeless Shelter in Pasadena in 1984. Your description is a little loaded, but we were in the middle of that fight. But it’s not like Los Angeles was treating the Homeless with any decency before or after the summer of 1984,:so I would not really hold that against the Olympics.

Kevin M.

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Jul 1, 2021, 11:59:47 PM7/1/21
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On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 7:57 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
I actually worked for a Homeless Shelter in Pasadena in 1984. Your description is a little loaded, but we were in the middle of that fight. But it’s not like Los Angeles was treating the Homeless with any decency before or after the summer of 1984,:so I would not really hold that against the Olympics.

I concede I feel very, very strongly about this. But I’m on solid ground here. Four decades after WWII, local law enforcement and US military forces worked together to arrest US citizens without charges. They were held without bail or trial for over a month, denied access to health care, toilets, and showers, as well as lawyers (or really any contact with the outside world), and any media (or civilians) who approached the camps had their cameras and equipment confiscated or destroyed (I was a child playing on the beach and they threatened me). That was as much the fault of the IOC (who requested/demanded it) as the city, county, state, and Federal officials (who carried it out). My description is accurate; it was a human rights violation patterned after Nazi tactics… in my backyard. And the same groups are already gearing up to do it again when the farce of a sports event comes back in a couple years. 

But still, on topic, the recall election is a monumentally stupid waste of my money, and its impact on the state will be to further divide the citizens at a time when we ought to be coming together to regrow the economy. And much like the pointlessly drawn out NYC mayoral primaries, everyone in the country is going to have to endure national coverage of this GOP temper tantrum. And that’s time the media isn’t going to be covering issues and stories that matter. 

I need a nap after writing that.


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PGage

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Jul 2, 2021, 9:32:22 PM7/2/21
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Right, as I say I was involved in the efforts to fight that, and agree with your moral judgement. I disagree somewhat with your statement of the specifics, but that does not diminish the crime. What I do disagree with is the idea that this kind of treatment was isolated to the Olympics. It was more a symptom of how the state and the country saw poor people at the time. We blamed Reagan and those who supported him not just for this particular crime against humanity, but for homeless itself, which in its modern form had pretty much just been created in the early 1980s. The Olympics did not cause any of that, just provided an opportunity to display it. 

PGage

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Jul 4, 2021, 10:21:39 PM7/4/21
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As the Californians have been saying, most of us here are not paying attention to the Recall. Not everyone loves Gav (who always comes across as loving himself enough to make up for  that), but most know he is no worse, and probably a bit better, than most who have sat in his office.

But as the SF Chron points out, that does not mean he can’t lose the Recall. The danger is the 30% of voters who are die hard Republicans are enthusiastic, while the rest of us have more important things to think about. That enthusiasm gap could lead to a recall (but I doubt it).


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PGage

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Sep 15, 2021, 12:29:13 AM9/15/21
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Never any real doubt about this. It was the Newsom campaign that really pushed the narrative that voter apathy might lead to the boogie man taking over the state, which was an effective strategy.


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