Deadline : Oscar Shakes Up Best Picture Eligibility Standards; Strict New Diversity Requirements Take Full Effect In 2024
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Steve Timko
Sep 8, 2020, 10:21:31 PM9/8/20
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https://deadline.com/2020/09/academy-shakes-oscar-best-picture-eligibility-1234573172/ - Oscar Shakes Up Best Picture Eligibility Standards; Strict New Diversity Requirements Take Full Effect In 2024
What would this mean for films like Schindlers List, The Right Stuff, Braveheart, The Kings Speech or JFK? Maybe Spotlight.
Kevin M.
Sep 8, 2020, 10:29:20 PM9/8/20
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The academy seems to think the problem is in the awards, and not the industry as a whole. Changing the award eligibility without changing the industry is a superficial change that will do more harm than good
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PGage
Sep 9, 2020, 12:44:54 AM9/9/20
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I hate this.
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Dave Sikula
Sep 9, 2020, 5:28:35 AM9/9/20
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I may have mentioned in the past how much contempt I have for award shows in general, and the Oscars in particular. While I applaud the sentiment of trying to increase representation, the idea that art can somehow be dictated by percentages and qualifications is ludicrous at best and disgusting at worst. If the Academy is trying to make itself somehow even more irrelevant, this is an excellent step in the right direction.
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PGage
Sep 9, 2020, 9:46:07 AM9/9/20
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OTOH, I really enjoy the Oscars, or did. This move single handedly trivializes the need to increase diversity in mass media representations in popular culture, undermines substantive progress in actual diversity in film, invalidates otherwise quality films that don’t meet the obviously arbitrary standards, and (to the extent it wasn’t already) rendering the Best Picture Oscar meaningless.
If they needed diversity standards, would much rather have seen them apply to CEOs and aboard of Directors Of companies that make, finance and distribute Oscar nominated films.
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I may have mentioned in the past how much contempt I have for award shows in general, and the Oscars in particular. While I applaud the sentiment of trying to increase representation, the idea that art can somehow be dictated by percentages and qualifications is ludicrous at best and disgusting at worst. If the Academy is trying to make itself somehow even more irrelevant, this is an excellent step in the right direction.--Dave Sikula
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https://deadline.com/2020/09/8academy-shakes-oscar-best-picture-eligibility-1234573172/ - Oscar Shakes Up Best Picture Eligibility Standards; Strict New Diversity Requirements Take Full Effect In 2024
What would this mean for films like Schindlers List, The Right Stuff, Braveheart, The Kings Speech or JFK? Maybe Spotlight.
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Adam Bowie
Sep 9, 2020, 10:00:47 AM9/9/20
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On first reading, I was as exasperated with this news as many others are. I'm not actually that interested in The Oscars either with the rampant gaming of the system through big budget For Your Consideration campaigns.
But I mellowed on reading this BBC piece explaining how BAFTA in the UK has already done something similar without me even noticing. From what I've read, the Academy has based its new rules quite a lot on what BAFTA has already done.
The BBC piece points out that movies like 1917 (pretty much 100% white male leads and co-stars) and The Two Popes (two white male leads) amongst other films both qualified through various other categories. So it's not as though the subject matter of films need to be limited. But productions may have to work a bit behind the scenes to qualify.
What would really be interesting is to go back through recent nominees in the categories they're talking about and see just how many would already qualify.
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PGage
Sep 9, 2020, 10:34:11 AM9/9/20
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The BAFTA example is mentioned in the Deadline story. I’m against those criteria too, on principle.
But are the criteria the same? The BBC story says 1917 qualified for the BAFTA win because
“it met the criteria for creative leadership (it had a female co-writer and two of the five producers were women) and training.“
It sounds to me that 1917 would not qualify for an Oscar BP in 2024. Starting in 2024, to qualify for the Oscar a film would have to have at:
“least one of the lead actors or a significant supporting actor must be from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group, whether that means Asian, Hispanic, Black, Indigenous, Native American, Middle Eastern, North African, native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.
Or
“Thirty percent of all actors in secondary or more minor roles could come from two of the following categories: women, L.G.B.T.Q., an underrepresented racial or ethnic group, or those with cognitive or physical disabilities.
Or
“the main story line must focus on an underrepresented group.“
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Jim Ellwanger
Sep 9, 2020, 10:43:52 AM9/9/20
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Films must meet certain standards in only two out of four categories, and it appears you're only quoting one of the categories ("Onscreen Representation, Themes and Narratives"). The other categories are "Creative Leadership and Project Team," "Industry Access and Opportunities," and "Audience Development," and as this L.A. Times story notes, many films already qualify in the "Industry Access and Opportunities" category due to existing efforts by their studios and production companies.
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Mark Jeffries
Sep 9, 2020, 5:52:41 PM9/9/20
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And even before the new rules came in, it was safe to say that the newest from whichever one of Zucker/Abrahams/Zucker has become a rightwinger or a Dinesh D'Souza documentary were not going to be shoo-ins for Oscar nominations anyway--although I noticed that a "faith-based" film, "Breakthrough," picked up a nomination for best song last year ("I'm Standing With You," written by Hollywood standby--even if she's never won an Oscar--Diane Warren and sung by Chrissy Metz in the film). But if "The Two Popes" was considered eligible for a BAFTA gong (which has a different meaning here, thanks to Chuck Barris) because highly-placed members of the Roman Catholic Church are "underexposed," who knows?
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PGage
Sep 9, 2020, 6:51:25 PM9/9/20
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Ah yes, thank you and apologies, I see now I was looking at Criteria A and thinking film had to meet two of those elements.
Still opposed to this in principle, but looks in practice this is a bit of a nothing burger. Reads a bit like the elements of a Union contract, which Hollywood has lots of experience with. Hard to believe any film made by any major studio would not either already qualify, or fairly easily qualify with a little tinkering.
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