Effort to fire Disney actor

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Steve Timko

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Jan 17, 2021, 7:41:37 PM1/17/21
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I’ve been following Gina Carano’s career since she has a mild Reno connection. She lived here for a short time and her father is a casino co-owner and gaming executive. About a month ago a story showed in the Google feed on my mobile web browser about “The Mandalorian” cast supporting Carano and wanting her to continue as Marshal Care Dunne. The story didn’t say why Carano was being attacked.
Then this last week, there was another story that explained the #fireginacarano movement. She retweeted one tweet that said Democrats want people to wear masks over their eyes as well so they don’t see what is going on. She was a critic of Black Lives Matter rioting but was silent about right wing protests. She liked tweets that said America does not have systemic racism but has a violent, leftist extremism problem and that said you are more likely to be assaulted for being a Trump supporter than you are to be assaulted for race. She liked a tweet with about five white civilian males holding assault rifles. She was also accused of being transphobic, but I didn’t see the basis for that allegation.
Carano’s Twitter feed lately has been all cotton candy and bubble gum. She gave an interview on the Federalist Radio Hour podcast where she said she still doesn’t know where she stands politically. That’s shallow introspection.
She complains she went through a smear campaign and wasn’t asked for her perspective. But she was giving her perspective on Twitter. “So did I become a punching bag? I became a punching bag.” She also said she’s never been political. She said she started speaking out because there was a large group of people being silenced and being forced to play woke. “I decided to say something and it got me in trouble.”
One story said Jon Favreau saved her job on “The Mandalorian.” She’s also been in both Deadpool movies. Disney is talking about being against violence and extremism, I think that could cost Carano her Mandalorian gig

PGage

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Jan 17, 2021, 7:54:47 PM1/17/21
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My 23 yo son has been keeping us informed about this the last several months. From what I can gather her views are reprehensible. My advice to my son, which he has mostly seemed to follow, is to separate her politics from her work (we discussed the limits of this distinction, pending her comments on the Capital Assault). For the second half of this season, we (wife son and I watched Mando together every week) took to referring to her as “The Trump Lover” (necessary because we regularly have to pause the show to explain what us happening to my wife).

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Jon Delfin

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Jan 17, 2021, 8:07:49 PM1/17/21
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Somewhere, Joseph McCarthy is smiling. 

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Steve Timko

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Jan 17, 2021, 11:20:14 PM1/17/21
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Jon:
Does any of Carano's Twitter activity disturb you?

Jon Delfin

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Jan 18, 2021, 12:03:05 AM1/18/21
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That's a separate issue. And I know you know that. Firing her will not change her opinions. But it will provide material for Alex Jones and his ick (no, that's not a typo). Blacklists are not only bad when they're damaging people you agree with. 

 

Steve Timko

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Jan 18, 2021, 12:14:01 AM1/18/21
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But it likely will reduce the size of her audience.

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Adam Bowie

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Jan 18, 2021, 5:04:09 AM1/18/21
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An actor's political views should, of course, have no bearing on their work. I still enjoy Clint Eastwood films after all (maybe not some of his most recent stuff). And Midnight Cowboy is still a great movie too. But there should be a distinction between political beliefs and either perpetuating lies and intolerance. If I was casting a show today, I might think long and hard about casting Jon Voight in it as no doubt Hollywood has always thought long and hard about casting any actor who's perceived as a "troublemaker."

And you can bet that those Disney contracts will have riders about representing their values or whatever, that gives them a lot of leeway if people say or support truly disturbing things - outright racist, homophobic or whatever. Note that I've not read anything about Carano beyond this thread.

And it'll be up to Disney how much further her character goes in the Star Wars universe. Given the legion of spin-off shows that The Mandalorian is generating, her character would have seemed ripe for starring in one of them. Perhaps she still will be a lead in Rangers of the New Republic, but then again, perhaps not.

When social media came along, providing actors with a way to reach the public without intermediaries or PR people getting in the way, it presented them with a lot of benefits. But on the other hand, it's not so easy to clean up a mess the way a PR flack might try to "tidy-up" an ill advised comment in an interview.


Adam

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Karen Owen

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Jan 18, 2021, 3:40:40 PM1/18/21
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This has been an issue for a while with people connected

to Star Wars and their Twitter and other social media.

A lot has been going the other way politically with

liberal novelists and comic book writers saying things

that conservative fans have been angry about.  Writer

Chuck Wendig was fired from Marvel Star Wars comics

over his Twitter/social media record.

Disney Star Wars is Dumb blog covers many of these issues

from the conservative standpoint.  Other comic book related

news sites cover them from the liberal standpoint.



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PGage

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Jan 18, 2021, 11:20:34 PM1/18/21
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I associate myself with these remarks by Jon, with the understanding that there is a categorical difference between supporting Trump, and even his absurd claims about the election, and supporting his incitement of violent attack on the Republic on 1/6.

Steve Timko

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Jan 26, 2021, 6:37:52 PM1/26/21
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Well, I liked the Gina Carano Facebook page and this just popped up in my feed.

It doesn't explicitly mention masks, but that's Topic 1 in today's freedom debates.
I'm struggling to decide what to do about Eric Clapton, who played guitar on an anti-mask song by Van Morrison. Really it's his music with Cream that's so hard to give up. Van Morrison for me is meh. But Disreli Gears, etc. that's hard to give up.

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Steve Timko

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Feb 10, 2021, 10:33:14 PM2/10/21
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PGage

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Feb 11, 2021, 10:15:55 AM2/11/21
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It seems they are saying she was not fired so much as not re-hired after her contract expired. Is that correct?



Adam Bowie

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Feb 11, 2021, 10:25:12 AM2/11/21
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:15 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems they are saying she was not fired so much as not re-hired after her contract expired. Is that correct?

I think that's a fair summation. That said, her agency has now dropped her, and it seems her publicists dropped her last year.

https://deadline.com/2021/02/the-mandalorian-actress-gina-carano-agency-uta-part-ways-in-wake-of-social-media-controversy-1234691964/

But you know, if you got around propagating obnoxious views, maybe some people won't want to work with or represent you. 



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Adam Bowie

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Feb 13, 2021, 3:22:23 PM2/13/21
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I've got to say that I found this by SF author John Scalzi, to be pretty much where I am on being "cancelled":

https://whatever.scalzi.com/2021/02/13/general-unstructured-thoughts-on-being-cancelled/


Steve Timko

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Feb 13, 2021, 3:29:53 PM2/13/21
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Gina Carano landed a movie deal with Ben Shapiro. I've been meaning to post this.


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Kevin M.

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Feb 13, 2021, 4:29:48 PM2/13/21
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On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:22 PM Adam Bowie <ad...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
I've got to say that I found this by SF author John Scalzi, to be pretty much where I am on being "cancelled":

https://whatever.scalzi.com/2021/02/13/general-unstructured-thoughts-on-being-cancelled/


For all I know, Benedict Cumberpatch is a Satanic cult leader who has eight different children from eight different women, none of whom he pays child support for. By avoiding social media, the focus is on his work, and his value as an actor is on his skill/talent instead of his social media following. 

I’m not amongst those who think actors should shut up and never discuss politics, but when they do speak out on social issues, they should do so fully aware that in spite of humanity’s better nature, we as a species place a higher value on what famous people say/do. If a plumber keeps a social media account supporting Nazis or conspiracy theories, it is doubtful he will get cancelled because not many people care what a plumber thinks. So when a celebrity gets called out for public statements, that’s the way the cultural cookie crumbles.

I’ve been part of cancelling people online, and I do so because I believe actions should have consequences. I’ve helped try to cancel liberals (Bill Maher, Kathy Griffin) and conservatives (Donald Trump, Kirk Cameron). And I’ve got my own Grammy nominated stalker because I played a part in cancelling her. And I’ve been physically threatened and threatened with lawsuits, and all that does is tell me I’m doing the right thing.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:24 PM Adam Bowie <ad...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:15 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems they are saying she was not fired so much as not re-hired after her contract expired. Is that correct?

I think that's a fair summation. That said, her agency has now dropped her, and it seems her publicists dropped her last year.

https://deadline.com/2021/02/the-mandalorian-actress-gina-carano-agency-uta-part-ways-in-wake-of-social-media-controversy-1234691964/

But you know, if you got around propagating obnoxious views, maybe some people won't want to work with or represent you. 



Adam

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Adam Bowie

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Feb 13, 2021, 4:49:15 PM2/13/21
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On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 9:29 PM Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:

If a plumber keeps a social media account supporting Nazis or conspiracy theories, it is doubtful he will get cancelled because not many people care what a plumber thinks. So when a celebrity gets called out for public statements, that’s the way the cultural cookie crumbles.

I'm not sure that this is true these days - social media might well be how you find someone in the first place. Then if you learn that he's actually a Nazi (perhaps based on things he said in passing to you), you might mention the fact on your neighbourhood Facebook group, Nextdoor.com, or one of those rate-a-tradesman type sites. Or you might just tell your local friends and neighbours not to use him. 

And even if you do none of those things, next time you need a plumber, you probably won't call the Nazi again next time you need someone to fix a leak.

We all reap what we sow. 

PGage

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Feb 13, 2021, 5:41:43 PM2/13/21
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1. Actions have consequences, and freedom to express yourself is not freedom from those consequences. I lost a job I loved for 30 years because I spoke out in favor of gay marriage, and did so knowing that was a possibility.

2. My values include being as tolerant as possible for unpopular speech. Short of causing actual harm, I think if someone does a good job they should be able to keep their job, even if they hold beliefs I really disapprove of.

3. The ambiguity is over the question of harm. A physician or police officer who posts online that Jews or Muslims or whoever are not fully human and don’t deserve to live raises reasonable questions about harm that might be done to the target group if they did not exercise their duties with full care. Actors are not as likely to be a source of harm. Still, if an actor in a minor role says something that deeply offends an actor in a major role (as is apparently the case here), or says something that hurts and angers large fractions of the audience, it is understandable the employer may not want to hire them again.



Steve Timko

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Feb 17, 2021, 9:15:26 PM2/17/21
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Steve Timko

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Feb 22, 2021, 3:07:41 PM2/22/21
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Steve Timko

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Oct 6, 2021, 11:22:20 AM10/6/21
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Rumor is Carano will return for Season 4.


Meanwhile, Twitter just dinged her for a Tweet that Biden's vaccine policy is murdering people. And she compared the Covid problem to the Weinstein scandal in an interview.

Adam Bowie

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Oct 6, 2021, 11:30:27 AM10/6/21
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Having foolishly just strayed into her Twitter timeline, she seems to be a big fan of Laurence Fox, the sometime British actor who managed to destroy his own career by going far off the right-end of the political spectrum. He recently stood for London mayor and lost heavily. 

Yeah - I'm sure Disney wants to get back with her. 

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Kevin M.

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Oct 6, 2021, 11:41:08 AM10/6/21
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I’m a fan of the show and of her character in particular. But the issue is that while everyone is entitled to speak his or her mind, her beliefs (and the behavior she encourages in others) makes her a danger/liability on any set or in any studio. I would not want to work alongside someone brazenly twirling a loaded firearm… that’s basically what she’s doing. Disney is opening themselves up to a massive lawsuit if anyone on set (or anywhere directly or even indirectly connected to the crew) catches Covid. 

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Kevin M.

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Oct 7, 2021, 4:05:47 PM10/7/21
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One of the other Mandalorian series regulars speaks out about unvaccinated actors on the set… tells them to move to an abandoned island so everyone else can get on with their lives. 

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