Netflix “Stopping any activities with” HFPA Until More Changes Made

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PGage

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May 8, 2021, 3:03:28 PM5/8/21
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Yesterday Netflix, which dominated the most recent Golden Globes, announced it was not satisfied with recently announced plans for reform by the HFPA, and would not be working with them anymore until more changes were made.

This is on top of an announcement the same day that 100 global PR firms would “continue to refrain from any HFPA sanctioned events, including press conferences.”

No doubt a number of big stars want to avoid having to associate and take photos with HFPA members when their racism is increasingly visible. But Deadline reports that also at issue is the informal, corruption-friendly policies that govern HFPA activities. 

It does seem that if the Golden Globes are to continue in any viable form, they are going to have to be based on significant change to the organization, making it more diverse and less corrupt.

Of course, if studios and publicists can no longer buy and schmooze their way to nominations and wins, it will remain to be seen what value the GG add to the Emmys and Oscars (themselves of course somewhat embattled for somewhat different reasons).



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May 8, 2021, 3:19:58 PM5/8/21
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I’ve been trying to think of what the HFPA could do at this point, and there really isn’t anything, short of opening up their membership to include hundreds if not thousands of international film critics, which they would never do as they consider their membership an exclusive privilege. The current members — all of them — are the problem. 

What are the odds Netflix hosts/produces its own awards show? I’m thinking that’s what they’re gearing up to announce.

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PGage

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May 8, 2021, 5:06:58 PM5/8/21
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I think something like your first suggestion is pretty much what they are asking for - they want them to more than triple their current membership, which is not adding thousands, but, along with higher professional standards, would basically marginalize the current membership.

I do think the main motivation is to stop their talent from having to take all those fawning photographs with the awful HFPA people, without having to pay a price in losing nominations/wins. By boycotting until the current membership is diluted enough to blunt their toxicity, and practices are changed so that fluffing and blowing the “journalists” is no longer necessary or allowed, they are protecting themselves.

Adam Bowie

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May 8, 2021, 6:39:06 PM5/8/21
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I'm pretty sure that these days, most of these "foreign press" are basically freelancers who might publish the odd article here and there, but I wouldn't imagine many news organisations these days have any kind of permanent Hollywood entertainment correspondents. 

I remember years ago seeing a list of the then membership and not recognising any of the British names as writing for major titles in the UK. I actually spent some time researching everyone who claimed to be published in the UK. Spoiler: few of them seemed to be actually published here:

https://www.adambowie.com/blog/2004/12/golden_globes_w/



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PGage

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May 8, 2021, 6:49:33 PM5/8/21
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So, that is a big part of the push back here. These people are not just racist oddballs, they are not in any recognizable terms “press”. They don’t even pretend to honor or have professional journalistic standards. They may speak with various kinds of non-American accents, but they do not work for real news organizations of any kind.

If they survive, it will be because they will transform themselves, not into an association of Hollywood correspondents for non-US newspapers, but entertainment writers for non-US media outlets.

Kevin M.

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May 9, 2021, 1:45:42 PM5/9/21
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Amazon joins Netflix in dissing and dismissing the HFPA


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PGage

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May 10, 2021, 4:04:36 PM5/10/21
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And now NBC weighs in - almost inevitably, they will not televise GG this year,

Kevin M.

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May 10, 2021, 4:06:19 PM5/10/21
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On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:04 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
And now NBC weighs in - almost inevitably, they will not televise GG this year,

And Warner Bros and HBO are backing away from HFPA as well.

Our long national nightmare might finally be over 


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PGage

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May 10, 2021, 11:49:31 PM5/10/21
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And I think we can expect more of this...



Kevin M.

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May 10, 2021, 11:51:18 PM5/10/21
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On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:49 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
And I think we can expect more of this...



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Paul Murray

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May 11, 2021, 6:31:22 PM5/11/21
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How the Golden Globes Went From Laughingstock to Power Player
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/business/media/golden-globes-tom-cruise-nbc.html

TL;DR: In 1996, NBC (Don Ohlmeyer) wanted an awards show to broadcast, and DCP made it very entertaining. Everyone who should have known better had a vested interest in playing ball.

Kevin M.

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May 11, 2021, 10:27:25 PM5/11/21
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I worked the show once as an NBC Page and again when I worked for Dick. It was, without a doubt, the worst show I’d ever worked. Foul tempered people, raging egos, space not designed for TV production, horribly managed, and it was a show I couldn’t stand. The first year I worked in it, having a fun positive interaction with Jamie Lee Curtis (this was around the time of True Lirs) was the only highlight. The second year, it was the sky blue dress worn by the cohost of Access Hollywood (whose name escapes me… no, not Pat O’Brien). I drank brazenly and was drunker than drunk long before the show wrapped.

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David Bruggeman

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May 11, 2021, 11:26:56 PM5/11/21
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Nancy O'Dell?

Kevin M.

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May 11, 2021, 11:36:54 PM5/11/21
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On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 8:26 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Nancy O'Dell?

That’s the one. That was a flattering dress. As I married man, I dare not say more. 


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Tom Wolper

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May 12, 2021, 1:21:12 PM5/12/21
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On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 11:36 PM Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 8:26 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Nancy O'Dell?

That’s the one. That was a flattering dress. As I married man, I dare not say more.

I'm honestly surprised that this amount of pressure was put on the HFPA. We've known for years, and it was never kept secret, that they were a corrupt organization and their choices for Golden Globes had little to do with merit. Yet they continued to flourish and the entertainment media, reporters, and interviewers treated the Globes as fairly won awards. The HFPA was consistently rewarded for bad behavior and it seemed that there would be no incentive for them to change.

The current leadership has nothing to personally gain and a lot to lose by enacting the reforms to the organization. My prediction would be that the name HFPA stays but the organization gets completely gutted and rebuilt with new people.

PGage

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May 12, 2021, 2:17:21 PM5/12/21
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I think celebs and publicists have resented having to dance to the corrupt and demeaning tune of the HFPA for many years, but felt boxed in by real or perceived value of nominations and wins. With the mood of the culture this year, and renewed examples of racist views and structure, celebs saw the opportunity to make a break for it.

Again, lets be clear: while the calls have been framed as “reform”, they really are demanding the end of the HFPA as we have known it. They will never agree to this willingly.

My question is, can they find a way to maintain the brand “Golden Globes” if they disband HFPA? If not, then most likely outcome is some kind of buy out of the HFPA so current members have incentive. Otherwise they will take the name down to their graves.

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Kevin M.

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May 12, 2021, 2:42:05 PM5/12/21
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On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:17 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think celebs and publicists have resented having to dance to the corrupt and demeaning tune of the HFPA for many years, but felt boxed in by real or perceived value of nominations and wins. With the mood of the culture this year, and renewed examples of racist views and structure, celebs saw the opportunity to make a break for it.

Again, lets be clear: while the calls have been framed as “reform”, they really are demanding the end of the HFPA as we have known it. They will never agree to this willingly.

My question is, can they find a way to maintain the brand “Golden Globes” if they disband HFPA? If not, then most likely outcome is some kind of buy out of the HFPA so current members have incentive. Otherwise they will take the name down to their graves.

Golden Globes: The Cable Ace award of the millennium 


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On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 8:26 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Nancy O'Dell?

That’s the one. That was a flattering dress. As I married man, I dare not say more.

I'm honestly surprised that this amount of pressure was put on the HFPA. We've known for years, and it was never kept secret, that they were a corrupt organization and their choices for Golden Globes had little to do with merit. Yet they continued to flourish and the entertainment media, reporters, and interviewers treated the Globes as fairly won awards. The HFPA was consistently rewarded for bad behavior and it seemed that there would be no incentive for them to change.

The current leadership has nothing to personally gain and a lot to lose by enacting the reforms to the organization. My prediction would be that the name HFPA stays but the organization gets completely gutted and rebuilt with new people.

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Tom Wolper

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May 12, 2021, 3:46:56 PM5/12/21
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On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 2:42 PM Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:17 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think celebs and publicists have resented having to dance to the corrupt and demeaning tune of the HFPA for many years, but felt boxed in by real or perceived value of nominations and wins. With the mood of the culture this year, and renewed examples of racist views and structure, celebs saw the opportunity to make a break for it.

Again, lets be clear: while the calls have been framed as “reform”, they really are demanding the end of the HFPA as we have known it. They will never agree to this willingly.

My question is, can they find a way to maintain the brand “Golden Globes” if they disband HFPA? If not, then most likely outcome is some kind of buy out of the HFPA so current members have incentive. Otherwise they will take the name down to their graves.

Golden Globes: The Cable Ace award of the millennium

From what I see the Golden Globes get mentioned in two contexts: movie or TV show ads which spotlight being a Golden Globe winner and celeb interviews where the celeb is asked about how it feels to win one. I don't recall that for the Cable Ace Awards. And nothing cosmic changes if they go away. I do suspect their marketing value will keep them around in some form.

Kevin M.

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Jul 16, 2021, 3:57:28 PM7/16/21
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The HFPA is now claiming they will no longer accept freebies or trips from anybody in the entertainment industry. 

And if you believe that, there’s a lake named after you. 

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